/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/03/#kubuntu-devel.txt

ScottKNCommander: How goes armel and kde4bindings?00:17
NCommanderScottK, I know the problem, discussing with upstream on the fix01:11
NCommanderScottK, the problem is that qreal != double on ARM01:13
ScottKNCommander: I'd appreciate it if you'd push your changes via the bzr repo when you have them.02:12
ScottKJontheEchidna: ^^ You too.02:13
ScottKSo I put mine there.02:37
NCommanderok02:37
ScottK-laptopJontheEchidna: You awake?05:06
ScottK-laptopI guess not.05:09
* Riddell off to San Francisco, ciao08:54
doc__hi there09:44
loolapachelogger: Hey, around?10:13
loolapachelogger: The kde4bindings issue you mentionned needs some upstream advice10:14
loolapachelogger: Could you recommend someone from kde4bindings upstream or kdelibs which would help us move the issue forward?  (it was forwarded upstream by NCommander  already)10:14
loolapachelogger: Basically kdelibs mixes qreals and doubles in its API and sip generates improper code as the result, either or both of these need to be fixed, but we need to discuss this with upstream to make sure we don't try to fix sip when it might not be one of its goals, or change kdelibs when it was the proper type to use10:15
loolCrap the kde4bindings regression now breaks kdebase-workspace as well10:17
NCommanderlool, ?10:27
loolNCommander: python-kde4 not installable (see armel build log)10:27
NCommanderWell python-kde4 is built out of kde4bindings ...10:28
NCommander(and that's specifically what's FTBFSing in kde4bindings :-))10:28
loolNCommander: "< lool> Crap the kde4bindings regression now breaks kdebase-workspace as well"10:51
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NCommanderlool, how is it a regression, it never built before :-)12:28
loolNCommander: It built for me here12:33
NCommanderit never built on the builders12:33
loolWouldn't build at the time I uploaded it because I came just after some new kde uploads12:33
NCommanderkdebindings is a different package12:33
loolWhat do you try to do?12:33
NCommanderhuh?12:34
ScottKlool: Did you see we have a bzr repo for kde4bindings now?12:34
ScottKhttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebindings/ubuntu12:34
loolScottK: Oh cool, no I didn't12:34
loolScottK: I've been following the issue closely, but NCommander has been doing the analysis and is trying to write a patch12:34
loolScottK: It's likely that NCommander comes up with a kdelibs patch first AIUI12:35
NCommanderlool, got the patch12:35
ScottKlool: OK.  I know he knows about it already.12:35
NCommanderneed to compile it to see if my fix will actually work12:35
loolScottK: Will all kde packages be imported like this?12:35
ScottKlool: Yes, but we went ahead with this one first because yesterday we had literally 3 different people working on 4 different problems in the package.12:36
ScottKapachelogger is getting it set up.12:36
ScottKWe tried this once before in Gutsy and it was just too slow to be usable then.12:36
NCommanderWhy don't we just install git on something ...12:37
NCommander*runs*12:37
loolScottK: Are these branched from the Debian packaging repo in some way?12:39
ScottKlool: No.12:39
apacheloggerlool: Sime is the pykde dood, for kdelibs you can just go to #kde-devel and start crying ;-)12:48
apacheloggerlool: apparently dfaure is around, he knows a fair about kdelibs12:49
apacheloggeraccessibility, admin, artwork uploaded12:52
loolapachelogger: Ok, thanks12:58
apacheloggeredu, games and graphics uploaded13:03
loolNCommander: I poked dfaure and he said that kdelibs needs fixing but we should ask on kde-core-devel@ in case someone has an objection (due to the abi change on arm / wince)13:06
NCommanderlool, cool. Thank you, assuming my patches work the way they are supposed to, I'll post to the list13:07
loolNCommander: thanks13:07
loolNCommander: I'd love being Cc:ed when you send the patch to the kde list! :)13:13
NCommanderYou shall :-)13:14
loolthanks13:14
NCommander(I need to make sure we're not going to break something unexpectantly, it seems fine on x86, so if we can get kde4bindings to build, we probably can get the rest of KDE to build)13:14
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ScottKWhat the equivalent of kdesvn for bzr?13:17
JontheEchidnaScottK: got your email13:17
ScottKJontheEchidna: I sent you email?13:18
apacheloggermultimedia, pim and plasma-addons uploaded13:19
JontheEchidnaScottK: about bzr, I assume that's what you pinged me about?13:19
apacheloggerScottK: qbzr13:19
ScottKJontheEchidna: No.13:19
apacheloggerScottK: it doesn't have a complete gui though13:19
JontheEchidnaoh, you sent that to -devel13:19
ScottKYes.13:19
ScottKapachelogger: Thanks.13:19
apacheloggerScottK: you have to access the individual parts manually (bzr qdiff or bzr qlog for example)13:20
ScottKNo, the reason I pinged you is there's a guy on #ubuntu-motu (aib) looking for help with packaging a cmake based project.13:20
JontheEchidnaoh13:21
JontheEchidnaDoes he still need help?13:22
* JontheEchidna uploads the rest of KDE to k-u-t13:22
apacheloggersdk, toys, utils and webdev uploaded13:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: congrats to your first release packaging coordination13:27
apacheloggernext time you shouldn't exceed the release day by 1.4 weeks :P13:28
ScottKJontheEchidna: I'd imagine.  It'd be nice if someone who understood cmake at least said hi to him.13:28
JontheEchidnaI guess I should hang out in #ubuntu-motu more13:29
ScottKJontheEchidna: He's wanting to package http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent (he's upstream) and they've moved to cmake in their latest release.13:29
ScottKJontheEchidna: You should.  It'll help when you submit your MOTU application.13:29
apacheloggerthat app looks interesting, the icon more like crap though13:30
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: so what can we do next time to make sure packaging takes longer? Start packaging the week of Christmas? :P13:38
ScottKapachelogger: OK.  I've installed qbzr.  Where does it's documentation hide?  /usr/share/doc/qbzr has debian/changelog and copyright in it.13:40
apacheloggerScottK: http://bazaar-vcs.org/QBzr13:41
apacheloggeralso bzr help $COMMAND13:41
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: we should be quicker next time due to reduced fiddeling, it is crucial that we a) get the stack 100% finished ASAP b) get everyone to use the hooks c) enhance QA with new batscripts13:42
ScottKapachelogger: OK, so what's the $EXPLITIVE command to actually make the gui start?13:42
ScottKOr is it I have to start the GUI per command?13:43
apacheloggerScottK: that is what I tried to communicate earlier ;-)13:44
ScottKapachelogger: OK.  Got it now.13:45
ScottKSo it's a GUI that you need to know command line commands to invoke.13:45
ScottKSounds like they collaborate with Launchpad developers.13:45
apachelogger^_^13:46
apacheloggerScottK: they just didn't came round to make a gui around the gui AFAIK13:46
ScottKapachelogger: Thanks again for the pre-brief on the mysql stuff.13:46
ScottKIt seems that went reasonably well.13:47
apachelogger*nod*13:47
apachelogger\sh: will the poor kubuntu ninjas get a server for their magic?13:52
apacheloggerI just thought of yet another usecase ;-)13:52
* ScottK notices debian Bug #507655 and wonders if someone is interested?13:52
ubottuDebian bug 507655 in krypt "[krypt] Add Krypt to the Debian package list" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/50765513:52
* apachelogger looks and hopes that doesn't beak KDE like the last LUKS effort did13:54
ScottKasac just pointed me at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.head/revision/38014:37
JontheEchidnawhoa, I thought they weren't gonna do that14:39
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hungerHo.14:40
hungerapachelogger: What is the status of KDE 4.2 in jaunty? Made any progress yet?14:41
* hunger is currently running gnome since KDE 4.2 does not work at all here:-(14:41
JontheEchidnahunger: everything except kdenetwork should be uploaded by now, I think14:43
JontheEchidnaits building right now14:43
apacheloggerasac++14:43
JontheEchidna~karma asac14:44
kubotukarma for asac: 114:44
JontheEchidna~karma14:44
kubotukarma for JontheEchidna: 214:44
hungerGreat!14:45
hungerThanks guys!14:45
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ScottKWahoo!  Spam folder is now under 20,000 (I didn't look at it for 6 months).14:46
jjessewow14:47
apacheloggergmail++ for throwing that stuff away automagically14:47
ScottKJontheEchidna: Are you running Intrepid?14:47
JontheEchidnaScottK: yus14:47
* JontheEchidna is not crazy enough to run Jaunty yet14:48
ScottKJontheEchidna: Now that 4.1.80 is pretty well in the can, would you be up for coordinating validation of 4.1.3 so we can get it into -updates.14:48
* ScottK thinks 4.1.4 will be here soon ....14:48
JontheEchidna4.1.4 is going to be a bit later than usual since they're shifting focus to KDE 4.214:49
ScottKIt doesn't seem to be happening by itself and so someone needs to take the bull by the horns ....14:49
JontheEchidnaI think I did verification for a few of the packages, I think I can do the rest too14:49
ScottKRight.  It gets tagged in a week.14:50
JontheEchidnaoh man, already?14:50
ScottKYeah.14:50
JontheEchidnaKDE 4.2 beta2 gets tagged in a week too14:50
apacheloggerfunnies14:50
jjessewow it never slows down for you all does it?14:50
ScottKWell if it wasn't later, it'd have been tagged a week ago.14:50
JontheEchidnathankfully for us...14:50
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: we might need two bat teams for this14:51
ScottKWell this is the POC for KDE4 into -updates. If this goes well it should be smoother next time.14:51
ScottKBeta 2 should be a lot easier than beta 1 though.14:52
JontheEchidnayeah, usually we can at least develop the packaging by building against the old versions14:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: as captain janeway put it "The minute we split up we loose every advantage this crew got." :P14:52
ScottKLesson learned for next time is get 4.2 -> 4.3 done before the 4.3 beta so we've got the kinks out before the beta hits and people care.14:52
apacheloggerScottK: only hunger really cares about it ;-)14:53
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I am in awe at your vast repository of Star Trek-like wisdom14:53
apacheloggerbut, think about it... that could have been a lot worse with the hardy vs. intrepid packaging14:53
apacheloggerbackporting is really just adding a changelog entry nowadays14:53
apacheloggerin fact, we could streamline that process14:54
JontheEchidnaIt's packaging 4.1.4 and 4.2b2 at the same time that worries me14:54
apacheloggerNCommander: I just took a look at the changes JontheEchidna and I did to the packaging you sent... you didn't add new files to any .install, didn't notice that 3 new games were added and sent one that FTBFS14:54
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: he expected it to FTBFS on missing files14:54
apacheloggerwhy did he send then?14:55
JontheEchidnabecause it didn't FTBFS14:55
JontheEchidnaApparently other packages will FTBFS in the event of missing files14:55
NCommanderapachelogger, I was told kde4.mk --list-missing, there was no output14:55
JontheEchidnamake -f debian/rules list-missing14:56
apacheloggerpbuilder hooks14:56
NCommanderNice to know that's documented14:56
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: the FTBFS was due to universe vs. main14:56
NCommanderAm I the only one in the world who actually uses --fail-missing in his rules files?14:56
apacheloggerhm, that is worth a thought, it would still only go into the hooks14:57
apacheloggerthere are wrong missings14:57
NCommanderPersonally, I think its absolutely insane to not have at least list-missing on as always a default14:57
apacheloggerit's timewaste on the buildds14:59
NCommanderAnd more of a time waste if you forget to do it, upload a package, and then watch it FTBFS15:00
NCommanderThere have been more than a few bug reports like that over the years15:00
apacheloggerthat is the reason I created hooks :P15:00
NCommanderI don't use pbuilder hooks because it is less like an actual build environment15:01
NCommanderThat being said15:01
NCommanderHad I known kde4.mk didn't have list-missing15:01
NCommanderI would have checked it manually :-P15:01
NCommanderSo I accept full fault on that15:01
* apachelogger doesn't care if NCommander accepts fault as long as he doesn't do it (again) :P15:03
apacheloggerNCommander: anywho, perfect documentation of changes I gotta say15:03
NCommanderWait, what?15:04
* NCommander is currently so caffiene depleted ATM ...15:04
JontheEchidnaNCommander: of the changes you made, all were documented perfectly15:04
apacheloggerthat it is15:04
NCommanderOh good15:04
apacheloggernow what did I want to ask15:04
NCommanderwhat?15:04
* NCommander is currently experiencing a broken English parser and requires things extremely clear15:05
ScottKDid we get the patch for kde4bindings?15:05
NCommanderNo, not yet15:05
NCommanderI'm still testing building everything15:05
ScottKWith --list-missing?15:05
NCommanderIt will likely take another day for everything to build on ARM15:06
apacheloggerstupid bindings15:06
ScottKJontheEchidna: This would probably be a good time then for you to throw anything useful from the latest Debian upload at bar.15:06
apacheloggermaybe we should debundle python from bindings15:06
JontheEchidnaugh, I haven't gotten to it yet15:06
ScottKapachelogger: Wouldn't help right now since that's where are immediate problem is.15:06
* JontheEchidna projects his anger onto kde4bindings15:06
apacheloggerScottK: not right now, but in general he new build chain is going to cause problems15:07
ScottKAgreed.15:07
apacheloggerbindings is causing a lot of work to update15:07
NCommanderBecause I need build everything on ARM15:07
apacheloggerand since workspace depends on pykde we need to have bindings ready before we can do anything15:07
ScottKNCommander: Care to look at the latest Debian revision for useful additional bits while you are waiting?15:07
ScottKapachelogger: I think this should be at least discussed upstream first.15:08
apacheloggerScottK: agreed15:08
apacheloggerdoes anyone know where the pthread patch in kdemultimedia come from?15:09
apachelogger...because we were talking about changelog keeping15:09
* JontheEchidna out for a bit15:12
* apachelogger thinks JontheEchidna did add that patch :P15:13
siekaczhi15:20
siekaczare there any packages of kde 4 beta 1 for kubuntu?15:20
chris062689I don't think so, usually they putthemon the homepage.15:21
hungersiekacz: There are some currently building for jaunty.15:21
hungersiekacz: I'd recommend against upgrading to jaunty at this time though.15:22
chris062689You could always run in a VB15:22
siekaczi know15:22
chris062689* VM15:22
siekaczbut compilling will kill my CPU15:23
hungerchris062689: VMs are for wimps:-)15:23
chris062689im not going to install Jaunty with 4.2 in a production environment! :D15:23
ScottKThey are also being uploaded to a PPA for Intrepid.15:23
chris062689Are you Krazy?15:23
ScottKchris062689: Good plan.15:23
chris062689I would love just to help with the Kubuntu project..15:24
chris062689But I don't know HOW :(15:24
hungerchris062689: My box is running jaunty already. I get bored too easy on stable distributions.15:24
hungerchris062689: Run the unstable release and nag people about bugs:-)15:24
chris062689Well, i want to be more on the developing / packaging side15:25
chris062689I want to help push updates through and the such15:25
apacheloggeruh15:25
apacheloggerperfect :)15:25
chris062689I guess launchpad is the way to go right now though......15:25
apacheloggerchris062689++15:25
chris062689huh?15:25
apacheloggerchris062689: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingKubuntu15:25
apacheloggerchris062689: did you ever do packaging?15:25
chris062689no15:26
chris062689But i want someoen to show me the ropes, so I can15:26
apacheloggersmarter: ping15:26
jpdsbisou?15:26
siekaczoh, i hope you won't get bored after a few weeks :)15:26
smarterpong apachelogger15:27
apacheloggerjpds: kiss15:27
apacheloggerchris062689: meet smarter15:27
apacheloggersmarter: meet chris06268915:27
smarterhi15:27
chris062689Hmm?15:27
chris062689Hello..15:27
smarterwhat's the matter?15:27
apacheloggerchris062689: smarter is one of the universe maintainers and will now become your helping hand15:27
chris062689ah, sweet.15:27
smarterhmm? :p15:28
apacheloggersmarter: chris062689 wants to become a leet packager15:28
chris062689Would you mind another form of communication?  Since I'm in class right now, and may have to log off (like AIM or MSN)15:28
chris062689I guess IRC is fine though......15:28
smarterwell, I don't really have time to teach you a lot of thing, but can point you to good tutorial15:28
chris062689ok15:28
smartertutorials even15:28
chris062689basicly how it goes it15:29
chris062689I use the source to create a deb15:29
chris062689then submit it to the "Masters"15:29
chris062689and then... it goes into the repo?15:29
smarterbasically, yes15:29
hungerAIM, MSN are proprietary... you might consider using a free version like jabber.15:29
apacheloggerwell, in a way ;-)15:29
hungers/version/protocol/.15:29
chris062689which does it go in?  unsupported?  Community?15:29
smarterwhat we call universe15:30
chris062689ok15:30
chris062689I want to build a few emulators for use15:30
smarterhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete is rather good on the "I use the source to create a deb" part15:30
chris062689Ubuntu repos are really not that great for emulation15:30
apacheloggerScottK: I should have kbzr and our packaging branches ready by tomorrow (hopefully)15:30
chris062689The first packages I want to build are for PCSX2, Playstation, etc15:30
* apachelogger heads home15:31
chris062689I guess I can experiment15:31
smarterif you want the package to go in Ubuntu, make sure the app is open source15:31
smarter2nd part is explained by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU15:31
jpdsapachelogger: Oh, ja, richtig.15:31
smarterhey jpds15:31
jpdssalut smarter15:32
hungerchris062689: There are always people here that will be happy to answer specific questions.15:32
chris062689okie dokie15:32
chris062689I'll probably try to hang out here more often. :D15:32
chris062689I think PCSX2 is a GTK based app though15:32
chris062689Do GTK apps still look ugly in QT / KDE?15:33
hungerchris062689: Sure. GTK is ugly:-)15:33
chris062689the problem with using GTK apps in QT is the file browser and such, it's so.. not native!15:33
smarterin theory, they're supposed to get somewhat integrated with the gtk-qt-engine15:33
hungerchris062689: You can ask to have the Qt themes applied to GTK apps though in the config center.15:33
smarterchris062689: there's a workaround for that15:33
chris062689config center, in....15:33
smarterit's called KGTK and gives a nice kde dialog to your gtk app15:33
smarterbut it's a hack15:34
chris062689oh, hacks are bad :(15:34
ScottKSure, but sometimes better than the alternative.15:34
chris062689but heck we'll worry about that later, heh15:34
chris062689What I don't understand is..15:34
chris062689PCSX2 is built as a GTK app15:34
smarterBTW, anyone knows why gtk-qt-engine won't work on a freshly installed Kubuntu 8.10?15:34
chris062689How do you... seperate it into PCSX2-core and PCSX2-Qt and stuff like that, I assume it would be up to the programmer's of PCSX.15:35
ScottKsmarter: By design it doesn't pull in any Gnome stuff, just works if the packages are there.  Maybe you need to install stuff.15:35
chris062689From what I can tell,  KDE 4.2 is really stable15:36
chris062689When I tried using the Live CD, only a few apps crashed, but a lot more features :)15:36
chris062689Is KDE 4.2 going to backported to 8.10?15:37
chris062689since it's going to release in Jan.15:37
smarterScottK: well, gtk-qt-engine is already installed, GTK2_RC_FILES env variable is set but neither firefox nor thunderbird use the qt engine, so I don't really know what "stuff" I could install15:37
smarterchris062689: yup15:37
JontheEchidnaThe plan is to put it in intrepid-backports once it's released15:37
chris062689ok.15:37
ScottKDunno then.15:38
chris062689I can just IMAGNIE how long that takes to compile :P15:38
siekaczoh yes, especially on my Celeron D 34115:38
chris062689dang15:39
chris062689I have a E7200 @ 3.715:39
chris062689I'm fine with a DualCore, I don't feel I need the power of a Quad.15:39
JontheEchidnaCeleron @ 2.5 GHZ15:39
JontheEchidna5 years oldish15:39
siekaczmy PC is 3 years OLD15:39
chris062689heh15:39
chris062689I just built mine a few months  back15:39
chris062689I love it :)15:39
chris062689Plus I was suprised everything works OOTB in Linux, so that's a plus.15:40
siekaczthese number in your nick are your birthdate?15:40
chris062689Ubuntu was slow on my old HP (256MB , 3Gh Celeron)15:40
chris062689yeah15:40
chris062689I should probably think of a new nick, heh15:41
siekaczNow i have 512 MB ram, but i had 2 GB and someone put 2x256 DDR to DDR2 slots, and... :)15:41
jjesseis that your birthday?15:41
jjesse06 - 26 - 8915:41
siekaczmy birthday: 05 - 01 - 92 :)15:42
chris062689yeah jjesse15:44
siekaczchris062689, are you from USA, Canada, or something like this?15:44
chris062689USA15:44
chris062689FL15:44
siekacznice, and I'm from Poland :)15:45
chris062689lol15:45
chris062689yeah I mean heck, I have a ton of free time, and want to help Kubuntu become on-par with Ubuntu in terms of support / features / stabibility.15:46
chris062689So I figure I'll loan my time /energy whenever I can15:46
chris062689I also want to dribble in KDE 4 C++ programming15:46
siekaczas you know, you need to be a proffesional C++ programmer :)15:48
chris062689Hmm?15:48
chris062689Well, yeah.. Which I'm not, meh, but still I figure I can make little plasmoids or something15:48
siekaczto write plasmoids better is Ruby, Python :)15:49
jpdssiekacz: It's just like anything else; determination and hard work.15:49
chris062689oh, it's not good to write em in C++/15:49
chris062689You'd recomend python or ruby?15:49
JontheEchidnaI would recommend python or ruby15:49
chris062689i have a few python books laying around.........15:49
stdinif you know C++, python is easy to learn15:50
siekaczi started to write scripts in Python it's quite easy15:50
chris062689I don't know C++ *sighs*15:50
stdinpython is what happens when you marry a shell and a programming language15:51
siekaczone of main python's advantages is that you don't need to compile any more :)15:51
chris062689I know ABOUT python, but not much about the actual programming15:51
jpdschris062689: http://www.mindview.net/Books/TICPP/ThinkingInCPP2e.html15:51
chris062689ive done programming in DM, and PHP, so I have a pretty good foundation15:52
chris062689(also HTML, CSS, etc)15:52
jpdschris062689: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html15:52
siekaczbetter to write plsmoids is python :)15:52
stdinI learnt it from reading the guides http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide15:52
jpdschris062689: Still, there's tons of information out on the web about programming.15:53
siekaczis it possible to write plasmoids in C++?15:53
smarterof course15:54
chris062689I think so.15:54
stdinseeing as plasma is written in C++, i'd hope so :p15:54
smarterKDE is C++ before everything else15:54
chris062689yeah15:54
JontheEchidnabut if your C is buggy it can bring down plasma, so it's preferrable to write it in a scripting language15:54
siekaczoh, plasma is better than i thought :)15:54
stdinI don't know C, I know C++ :)15:54
JontheEchidnas/C/C++15:54
chris062689I know PHP, CSS, HTML.....15:54
chris062689Nothing to be used in KDE lol15:54
jpdsAnd if you can get books, I suggest: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/020170353X/ for C++.15:54
chris062689I already have a book15:55
chris062689and two python books15:55
siekaczC++ is a low-level programming language so it can crash plasma :)15:55
ScottKFor 'scripting languages' we tend to prefer Python.15:55
chris062689heh15:55
chris062689So C++ for low, Python for script15:55
chris062689Gotcha15:55
* smarter read C++ Primer, pretty good15:55
* ScottK heads out for a while to take the wife's dog to the vet.15:56
jpdsScottK: Unless you go by the name of aplg.15:56
smarter:P15:56
ScottKjpds: Yes, well there is that.15:56
stdinsome thinks are easier done in python than C++, and some things are easier done in C++ than python15:56
ScottKNumber one on the list of conversations I don't want to have with my wife:15:56
chris062689* Honey, why is there chocolate in the bath tub?15:56
siekaczbuggy python script will just not work15:56
ScottK"Sorry your dog died while you were out of town.  I was too busy working to take him to the vet."15:56
ScottKSee you later.15:57
chris062689hope it feels better15:57
chris062689or.. doesn't die..... meh15:57
smartersiekacz: you know, python script can have runtime failures too15:57
siekaczbut it is harder to crash whole plasma in python15:58
smarterand some of these failures could be catched by a C/C++ compiler if the code was C/C++15:58
chris062689The ONLY reason I use GNOME at home is because it's more stable at this point, when 4.2 comes out, I'll switch full KDE415:58
smartersiekacz: no idea, but I don't think there really is a difference15:58
stdinsiekacz: not necessarily, as it's python bindings so it uses C++ to interface with plasma15:58
chris062689so it's translating python code in C++ "esentially"15:59
chris062689*essentially15:59
chris062689well, binding it to C++ calls15:59
stdinit uses a lot of pointers behind the scenes15:59
stdinand, as we all know, pointers are evil15:59
siekaczpython is just easier than C++16:00
chris062689true that16:00
stdinnot always16:00
stdinI'm working on something which is just too difficult in python, so I'm writing it in C++16:00
chris062689well, most things are good for Python16:01
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siekaczstdin, low-level programming, right?16:01
chris062689But if you need to make a HUGE app, you need C++16:01
stdinsiekacz: no, a GUI installer16:01
siekaczi thought about linux, not windows16:02
stdinwho's using windows?16:02
chris062689No one16:02
chris062689Windows is evil, dang16:02
siekaczI use sometimes vista on my poor PC and at school16:02
jjessestdin: i'm runing vista right now16:03
chris062689I usedto16:03
stdinjjesse: say 3 Hail Mary's and all will be forgiven16:03
chris062689But with the recent WINE updates, I an run all of my games, except L4d16:03
chris062689plus Vista's pritner / scanner support FAILS16:03
jjessestdin: lol it runs great for work, no prolbems at all16:04
chris062689I just wish KDE had a more centralized place for options16:04
siekaczstdin, maybe not Hail Mary's but Hail Torvalds :)16:04
stdintook me 4 hours one time to get a network printer working in vista once16:04
chris062689Why have a Destop options on the Desktop, and have a seperate one in the CP?16:04
stdintook 5 mins for the same printer on Kubuntu16:04
chris062689hah16:04
stdinand that's without having a linux driver for it either16:05
stdinusing PostScript16:05
siekaczmeh, i just plug it in and it works :) only a few seconds16:05
chris062689I just plug and play ^_^16:05
stdinsiekacz: "network printer", no plugs :)16:05
chris062689well, plug and print16:05
siekaczsamba works great on Linux so no problems at all :)16:06
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stdinI was using samba16:06
stdinmy server runs Kubuntu, and it hosted the samba printer16:06
chris062689Kubuntu........ on a server? o_016:07
chris062689Gots to go, I'll get back on the IRC when I get home, peace.16:07
siekaczi'm using it right now, but my PC is currentli the only PC in my house :)16:07
stdinit was my desktop, but now it's just a server16:07
stdintoo 5 mins to setup my laptop to print to it, 4 hours for windows. all driver issues16:07
Tm_TJontheEchidna: like to show the report?16:08
siekaczin poland, life of linux-fan is much harder, my country is one of MS-Lands :)16:09
JontheEchidnaTm_T: bug 27239916:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272399 in kdebase "File watcher causes Plasma crash on mouseover" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27239916:09
Tm_Tthanks16:09
JontheEchidnayw16:10
siekaczoh no :)16:11
Caemyrdont worry, just lurking16:12
siekaczhttp://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9121938 - nice :)16:18
siekaczWindows share on the market is under 90 %16:18
chris062689Ello16:38
siekaczwb :)16:39
chris062689heh16:39
chris062689I'm so tempted to throw KDE 4.2 on here...16:40
chris062689But it's not stable enough!!!!!!! x_x16:40
siekaczit is Beta, right?16:40
chris062689Yeah16:40
chris062689It's a Beta116:40
chris062689When I tried it though, a few applications were still crashing16:40
siekaczwait for RC16:40
chris062689I know :P16:41
chris062689I'm going to start researching package mangement.16:41
chris062689The ONLY thing I might run into trouble with...16:41
chris062689is PCSX2 puts everthing all in one folder16:41
chris062689like..16:41
chris062689So.. it wouldn't allow for user-based configuration files...16:42
chris062689It would all be put in /usr/local/pcsx2, right?16:42
siekaczyes16:43
chris062689Would the program need to be ran as root then?16:43
siekaczno16:43
siekacznot to run16:43
chris062689because it's in it's own directory, right?16:43
siekaczbut to change files16:43
chris062689Yeah...16:44
chris062689That would be a problem.16:44
chris062689Since then they wouldn't be able to write their savefiles...16:44
siekaczwhere savefiles are saved?16:44
chris062689Well, the default for pcsx2 is /pcsx2/memcards16:44
chris062689They pretty much ignore Linux in the respect of storing files in the user's directory16:45
siekaczso set premissions for this folder as writable for everybody :)16:45
chris062689everything PCSX2 needs is inside it's pcsx2 folder16:45
chris062689You can do that with a deb?16:45
gnomefreakdid we drop yaukake from 9.04?16:45
siekaczi think yes16:45
siekaczdeb is an archive file like zip or rar, so it is possible, but i don't know how16:46
chris062689Curse PCSX2 and it's non user directory configuration saving ways!16:47
siekaczwait, is it written for Linux?16:47
chris062689well, yes..16:47
chris062689As a side-thought16:47
chris062689They mainly focus on Windows-based development16:48
siekaczinteresting...16:48
chris062689but it works under Linux.16:48
siekaczonly way is to correct sources, what's not easy16:51
chris062689ungh16:51
chris062689So I'd have to make it compatable and have it stored in the user's directory16:51
siekaczi don't know this program, but maybe it has a configuration file where to store users files16:53
chris062689It does16:53
chris062689you can change the directory yourself16:53
chris062689But.. that's not exactly out of the box friendly16:53
siekaczso set a home folder to sotore users files, but how?16:54
chris062689I don't know how.. :D16:54
chris062689Meh16:54
chris062689I don't think I can do it today anyway16:55
nixternaljpds: hey, you want to share a cab ride on sunday? I get in about 30 minutes after you do16:58
siekaczKDE 4.2 got a Feature freeze so no more features since 4.3 :]16:58
chris062689I hear they've been closing a LOT of bugs lately16:59
chris062689Perhaps smarter could help...16:59
siekaczmaybe17:00
chris062689Smarter, if a program I'm trying to compile (PCSX2) puts all of their files in /pcsx2/ folder, the program in question won't work without root privilages, right?17:00
chris062689(It stores the configuration files within /pcsx2/)17:00
smarteryes?17:00
smarterchris062689: how are you sure it doesn't create a hidden config dir in the user directory?17:01
siekaczchnging configuration file is the only way17:01
smarterbut /pcsx2/ is obviously wrong, it should be /usr/share/pcxs2 or /etc/pcsx2 or something else17:01
chris062689because, it puts it within the pcsx2 directory17:01
chris062689well yeah17:01
chris062689When I compiled it, I put the bin in my home directory under /home/chris/pcsx217:01
chris062689it put all of my files in there, it didn't create a user directory folder17:02
smarterare you sure there's no ~/.pcsx2 ?17:02
chris062689positive17:03
chris062689well, I'll triple check17:03
chris062689Give me a few minutes to compile it17:03
smarteranyway, package it and we'll see afterwards17:03
chris062689Right, after I figure out how to package things :D17:04
chris062689http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=63197917:07
chris062689They say there using a shell script for launching the program17:07
chris062689If that does what I think it does, it sets the approperate folders for configuration files, right?17:08
chris062689cd bin;17:08
chris062689echo \#\!'/bin/bash' > play.sh;echo 'cd ~/pcsx2/bin'>>play.sh;\17:08
chris062689echo 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH="./" ./pcsx2' >> play.sh;17:08
chris062689chmod +x play.sh17:08
smarterchris062689: no17:13
smarterit justs add the currenty dir to the library path, since by default it only checks /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib17:13
chris062689ah17:14
siekaczchris062689, how fast is your internet link?17:17
chris062689fairly17:18
chris062689I have Cable17:18
chris062689*sighs* PCSX2 keeps on crashing17:19
chris062689http://pastebin.com/m7f141a4d17:19
siekaczmoonlight beta 1 is out :)17:32
hungerWhat is holding up kdegames, kdeedu, kdenetwork in jaunty? Just general time constraints or serious issues?17:35
JontheEchidnaperhaps the build servers are clogged from all of KDE being uploaded at once :P17:36
JontheEchidnaapachelogger forgot to review kdenetwork, so it hasn't been uploaded yet <.<17:37
hungerJontheEchidna: Nope, nothing in the queue for jaunty anymore.17:38
JontheEchidnamm17:38
* JontheEchidna would ask apachelogger17:38
JontheEchidnamost likely they were overlooked17:39
hungerkdegames was build over 3h ago. Dunno whether it was a success or not though.17:39
smarterlook on launchpad17:39
hungersmarter: That is where I got that info from.17:40
hungerIt is not in the archives yet though:-(17:40
hungersmarter: Kdegraphics 4.1.80 for jaunty: finished 3h ago, taking 30min.17:40
hungerNot in the repo yet though:-(17:40
smarterthen wait17:40
hungerkdemultimedia was finished 2h ago, but is already in the repo:-(17:42
JontheEchidnahunger: published doesn't mean built17:44
hungerJontheEchidna: ?17:44
JontheEchidnait says it was published 3 hours ago17:44
JontheEchidnaoh, but it built17:44
JontheEchidnayour mirror probably hasn't picked it up yet17:45
hungerMy mirror is archive.ubuntu.com and usually pretty fast to get updates.17:45
* JontheEchidna shrugs17:46
JontheEchidnait'll get there eventually17:46
hungerIt does have stuff that was finished later according to LP:-(17:46
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mhbhello, hope you are doing well20:35
mhba question: it seems my membership in kubuntu members is about to expire, which is probbly okay I guess, but do I lose the @ubuntu.com address mapping with it as well? That would be a bit unfortunate for me as several people would lose contact with me that way20:37
mhbI'm still participating in our LoCo community, although with not as much enthusiasm as in the beginning, but still.20:38
jjessemhb are you a ubuntu member as well?20:38
jjesseif yes then you won't lose the u buntu.com email address20:38
mhbjjesse: well, indirectly20:40
mhbvia kubuntu members, which I'm about to expire from20:40
mhbwhat do you do in those situations? do you have a re-approval meeting?20:42
mhbI haven't seen one of those back in "my" day20:43
mhbhmm, I guess you haven't read that, have you?20:43
ryanakcamhb: not sure... I asked a few weeks ago if one would have to reapply for membership once it expired and Riddell said nay, but... not sure how you'd get it renewed / re-approved... probably have to poke someone on the KCC...20:43
mhbhrm, I hate when you lose an email address...20:44
mhbit's a bit like moving to another place, except there's no need for that on the Internet :o)20:44
jjesseis there somehting you can do in luanchpad to renew it?20:44
mhbnope, just leave20:46
ryanakcamhb: Membership lasts for two years, and is renewable. If you don't renew your status as a member you will join the "inactive members" list. Membership can be reactivated at any time after it has lapsed, on request and with the confirmation of the Community Council.20:52
ryanakcaIt only says what to do if you don't renew it before it lapses...20:52
ryanakcahttp://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember20:53
mhbhmm20:54
mhbthanks, but I'm still clueless :o)20:54
* ryanakca shrugs20:54
ryanakcamhb: if you find out, lemme know, mine expires in a month...20:55
mhbI will20:55
ryanakcathanks :)20:55
mhbif anyone knows how to renew that membership, let me know. Thanks!21:14
Arbyanybod got any idea how to debug an application that sometimes fails to save and sometimes works fine.21:14
Arbyin relation to bug 30236021:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 302360 in kdepim "kjots: autosave does not always work" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30236021:14
siekaczanyone uses G1?21:17
ScottK-laptopmhb: Welcome back.21:53
ScottK-laptopmhb: If it's like other teams there's a link in the warning message and you go there and there's a thing to click on to renew.21:54
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