| * PrivateVoid nods | 00:10 | |
| * pleia2 waves to PrivateVoid | 00:21 | |
| * PrivateVoid waves back | 00:21 | |
| PrivateVoid | almost done with the BT team meeting | 00:22 |
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| * PrivateVoid waves again to pleia2 | 00:58 | |
| * Rocket2DMn peeks | 00:58 | |
| pleia2 | okies, meeting time :) | 01:00 |
| pleia2 | Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/MeetingAgenda2008Dec3 | 01:00 |
| pleia2 | so, who all is here? | 01:00 |
| pleia2 | introduce yourselfs! :) | 01:00 |
| pleia2 | yourselves too | 01:01 |
| * PrivateVoid PrivateVoid nods | 01:01 | |
| PrivateVoid | hello everyone! | 01:01 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm just here to watch (I think) | 01:01 |
| spiderbatdad | err | 01:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | Hello classsroom :) | 01:01 |
| pleia2 | hey bodhi_zazen | 01:02 |
| bodhi_zazen | The Beginners team in interested in assisting with #ubuntu-classroom :) | 01:02 |
| pleia2 | we can start out with that | 01:02 |
| pleia2 | so currently, ubuntu-classroom is mostly a basic project to help teams host courses in irc - we hold sessions here so there is a centralized location, help put folks in touch with resources for promotion | 01:03 |
| bodhi_zazen | Sounds awesome | 01:03 |
| pleia2 | we also intended to do our own general sessions, which is pretty much the same mandate as the beginners education team | 01:04 |
| bodhi_zazen | And we can help guide people to IRC (from forums mostly) | 01:04 |
| pleia2 | (early on when classroom was founded we did our own) | 01:04 |
| pleia2 | bodhi_zazen: nice :) | 01:04 |
| pleia2 | so lately we don't have the humanpower to run our own courses, so mostly it's just been a coordination and promotion thing | 01:04 |
| bodhi_zazen | We can help coordinate on the forums and we have some members who would like to instruct as well | 01:05 |
| pleia2 | excellent | 01:05 |
| pleia2 | Classroom doesn't currently have a forums contingent, and I'm not much of a forums person so I've never pushed it, but it's a great resource | 01:05 |
| bodhi_zazen | I am afraid I am stealing PrivateVoid's thunder here, PrivateVoid has done some outstanding footwork | 01:06 |
| PrivateVoid | The beginners team has an education focus group - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education | 01:06 |
| PrivateVoid | We would like to run classes that are wiki/forum based with IRC sessions, and IRC based classes, and IRC based Q&A sessions. | 01:06 |
| PrivateVoid | The type of 'class' I view as a candidate for the mixed sessions is a programming class. The lesson material and assignments are on the wiki or forum and the 'instructor' is available one night a week in IRC. | 01:06 |
| PrivateVoid | We are building a resources component of the wiki which links people to resources, but those resources do not answer all the questions... that is what the Q&A sessions would be for | 01:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | Well, the BT is, IMO, not only a resource for beginners on the forums, but I see it as a way of encouraging people to become more involved with the Ubuntu community | 01:07 |
| PrivateVoid | I currently have a thread on the forums asking people what they would like to see 'taught' | 01:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | so our members may go to Launchpad, MOTU, wiki, and classroot | 01:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | *classroom | 01:07 |
| Rocket2DMn | +1 bodhi_zazen | 01:07 |
| PrivateVoid | and some threads asking for interested instructors | 01:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | PrivateVoid, link ? | 01:08 |
| PrivateVoid | I think the easiest way to build up, as bodhi_zazen suggested in the BT meeting, is to start with the Q&A sessions | 01:08 |
| pleia2 | sounds good | 01:08 |
| PrivateVoid | bodhi_zazen, they were not stickied... give me a second | 01:09 |
| bodhi_zazen | np PrivateVoid, don't worry about it | 01:09 |
| PrivateVoid | call for topics -- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=984986 | 01:09 |
| pleia2 | PrivateVoid: so I'm thinking you get these up and running, and when you want to host one drop a note to ubuntu-classroom list to get put on the wiki schedule (or just add it yourself) | 01:09 |
| PrivateVoid | call for instructors - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997940 | 01:09 |
| DarkKnight | hey i m a newbie...and wanted to be on the MOTU team....i read the wiki page...but there are certain things that i didnt understand | 01:09 |
| PrivateVoid | pleia2, noted | 01:09 |
| DarkKnight | I did file a bug | 01:10 |
| bodhi_zazen | DarkKnight, if you wish, come to #ubuntuforums-beginners | 01:10 |
| bodhi_zazen | we have members who will guide you if needed | 01:10 |
| DarkKnight | bodhi_zazen; newbie in the sense i m newbie to the development process | 01:10 |
| bodhi_zazen | As I said, one of our goals is to make the greater Ubuntu community more "accessible" | 01:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | I'm sure you could teach us all a few tricks DarkKnight :) | 01:11 |
| DarkKnight | bodhi_zazen; wat tricks | 01:11 |
| pleia2 | so once we have a class scheduled, we'll help promote if you need us | 01:12 |
| bodhi_zazen | that would be awesome pleia2 | 01:12 |
| bodhi_zazen | I have suggested we start small and build ;) | 01:12 |
| * pleia2 nods | 01:12 | |
| PrivateVoid | yes bodhi_zazen the Q&A is an excellent starting point | 01:12 |
| bodhi_zazen | Thank you for your time, we will be in touch | 01:13 |
| DarkKnight | i didnt get a word of wat u ppl had been saying | 01:13 |
| pleia2 | DarkKnight: we're having a meeting :) | 01:13 |
| pleia2 | PrivateVoid: are there any other ways you can think we can help you guys out? | 01:13 |
| DarkKnight | pleia2; okkk..... | 01:14 |
| PrivateVoid | pleia2, we need instructors... and people willing to write some courses | 01:14 |
| DarkKnight | pleia2; ya i need help | 01:14 |
| PrivateVoid | FAQs and HowTos are ok, but not really 'courses' | 01:14 |
| * pleia2 nods | 01:14 | |
| PrivateVoid | so the format has to be slightly different | 01:14 |
| PrivateVoid | FAQs and How Tos can be preparation material for the Q&A sessions, but the courses would be more 'lesson' based | 01:15 |
| pleia2 | so the way I see things, is Classroom itself really woud like to get our own courses going again, but if we could delegate that to your team it might be a worthwhile thing | 01:15 |
| PrivateVoid | that would be great... but my 'team' is rather small right now... | 01:15 |
| PrivateVoid | so it might be best to work in harmony with one another | 01:15 |
| pleia2 | unfortunately we've already been burnt by working with another team for such things, there was a New Users team a long time ago that died :) | 01:15 |
| * PrivateVoid nods | 01:16 | |
| PrivateVoid | I understand | 01:16 |
| DarkKnight | pleia2; so wat r being thought in the classroom...and how r ppl across the world going 2 learn | 01:16 |
| PrivateVoid | bodhi_zazen, will whipe me if I fade away and die | 01:16 |
| PrivateVoid | so I have no ability to just leave you all hanging | 01:16 |
| pleia2 | DarkKnight: can you hold off new questions until we finish up this discussion? | 01:17 |
| PrivateVoid | DarkKnight, we will be making classes... about Bash Scripting, programming Python, etc... and then we will offer the courses in the IRC channel and via wiki/forum posts | 01:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | pleia2, although it is early, I think the BT is getting established and if anything I see growth | 01:17 |
| pleia2 | DarkKnight: the classroom site is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | 01:17 |
| pleia2 | bodhi_zazen: *nod* | 01:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | If you have concerns or feedback we would be all ears | 01:18 |
| DarkKnight | pleia2; thanq.....ohh plzz don't mind for having interrupted | 01:18 |
| DarkKnight | ur discussion | 01:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | I think we would add to rather then take over if you will | 01:19 |
| pleia2 | ok, so maybe you guys start off with the q&a sessions, we promote, and take it from there? | 01:19 |
| * pleia2 nods | 01:19 | |
| bodhi_zazen | We would start small for sure, and build | 01:19 |
| * PrivateVoid nods | 01:19 | |
| pleia2 | honestly Classroom has kinda fizzled out these past couple years, it's been tough to get regoing and perhaps what we ultimately *need* is another team helping out | 01:19 |
| PrivateVoid | that sounds good pleia2 do you have any instructors... or a good idea on how to recruit them? | 01:20 |
| PrivateVoid | that, I think, will be the largest challenge | 01:20 |
| pleia2 | thus far we've primarily used planet, posts to UWN, and our own connections within the community (ie - nag people who know stuff to do classes) | 01:20 |
| PrivateVoid | the forums, the wiki and launchpad all give people, those who seek it, 'exposure' and 'recognition' | 01:20 |
| PrivateVoid | perhaps if there was a way to give people that 'recognition' for being an instructor we would get some more people interested | 01:21 |
| * pleia2 notes that nagging has been primary tool | 01:21 | |
| bodhi_zazen | PrivateVoid, do we not have a few interested instructors in the BT ? | 01:21 |
| bodhi_zazen | It would be a start | 01:22 |
| PrivateVoid | bodhi_zazen, being honest we have people that have expressed an interest... but only one that I am aware of that ran a class | 01:22 |
| PrivateVoid | the Q&A sessions would make it easier, I think, to get people to commit to the time | 01:22 |
| bodhi_zazen | Well, to be honest, I think they will respond to "leadership" and "structure" | 01:22 |
| bodhi_zazen | It is nebulous, being an instructor | 01:23 |
| spiderbatdad | most do | 01:23 |
| bodhi_zazen | but if you tell them what is needed, give them structure, they will follow | 01:23 |
| bodhi_zazen | you are a natural leader | 01:23 |
| PrivateVoid | bodhi_zazen, I agree... that is what I am trying to build... | 01:23 |
| spiderbatdad | +1 | 01:23 |
| pleia2 | bodhi_zazen: +1 | 01:24 |
| PrivateVoid | I just enable people to shine | 01:24 |
| PrivateVoid | not really any leadership in that... | 01:24 |
| bodhi_zazen | yes there is, and that is my line :) | 01:24 |
| pleia2 | so for classroom stuff, we developed this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Guidelines | 01:24 |
| * PrivateVoid does not take compliments well... they embarrass him... as much as he appreciates them | 01:24 | |
| * PrivateVoid reads wiki | 01:25 | |
| bodhi_zazen | bookmarked pleia2 | 01:25 |
| PrivateVoid | good structure pleia2 | 01:25 |
| pleia2 | it's a bit rough around the edges | 01:25 |
| pleia2 | but basic ideas are there | 01:26 |
| PrivateVoid | it is good... we can buff the edges | 01:26 |
| pleia2 | :) | 01:26 |
| PrivateVoid | I think writing the wiki ahead of time and adding to it after the class would be a good idea | 01:26 |
| PrivateVoid | perhaps a wiki for the main 'subject' and logs of previous classes | 01:27 |
| pleia2 | PrivateVoid: like for a series on a similar subject? | 01:27 |
| PrivateVoid | yes | 01:27 |
| * pleia2 nods | 01:27 | |
| PrivateVoid | I would think certain classes will see many students pass through the 'doors' | 01:28 |
| bodhi_zazen | I am going to need to get to my family soon | 01:29 |
| bodhi_zazen | pleia2, you can always find us at #ubuntuforums-beginners :) | 01:29 |
| * pleia2 recalls :) | 01:30 | |
| bodhi_zazen | It is a relaxed channel, take care not to click on the links :) | 01:30 |
| pleia2 | I stopped lurking because people were always welcoming me like I was new | 01:30 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 01:30 |
| PrivateVoid | I hang here... and on many other channels | 01:30 |
| pleia2 | I knew where to find you guys if I needed ;) | 01:30 |
| bodhi_zazen | We like fresh victims | 01:30 |
| bodhi_zazen | doh, I mean members | 01:31 |
| * PrivateVoid evil grin | 01:31 | |
| Rocket2DMn | mmmmm blooooood | 01:31 |
| pleia2 | haha | 01:31 |
| pleia2 | alas, I dislike forums :) | 01:31 |
| pleia2 | ok, so since bodhi_zazen has to scoot soon - I'll work up some gathering instructors ideas and post them to the wiki, you guys start working on a couple pepole to start running classes and then nudge me or the classroom list when you're ready to get help for promotion and stuff? | 01:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | Well, that is one way we can work together, we are strong on forums, weaker elsewhere | 01:33 |
| PrivateVoid | sounds good!! | 01:33 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 pleia2 | 01:33 |
| pleia2 | PrivateVoid: I'd be interested in other thoughst of yours for expanding classes beyond forums/wiki (you had mentioned moodle at some point), but I think that's for a later time | 01:34 |
| pleia2 | don't want to tackle too much at once | 01:34 |
| PrivateVoid | yes.... if we get things rolling... | 01:34 |
| PrivateVoid | a app like moodle could really help | 01:34 |
| PrivateVoid | I wrote an entire course for School Administrators regarding security in Moodle... | 01:35 |
| PrivateVoid | so I have a bit of experience with it... though not an expert | 01:35 |
| * pleia2 knows very little about moodle | 01:36 | |
| * PrivateVoid nods and waves | 01:37 | |
| dinda | i know about Moodle | 01:37 |
| PrivateVoid | thanks for the time on your docket classroom team | 01:37 |
| PrivateVoid | I appreciate the opportunity | 01:37 |
| PrivateVoid | and hope that I can assist in moving the education of Ubuntu users forward | 01:37 |
| pleia2 | your enthusiasm is much needed :) | 01:39 |
| PrivateVoid | I hope it rubs off... | 01:40 |
| PrivateVoid | to be honest... I gave up computer gaming... and Ubuntu is what I am focused on instead | 01:41 |
| pleia2 | I did the same a while back | 01:42 |
| PrivateVoid | Cool... | 01:42 |
| PrivateVoid | I was very, very in to Guild Wars... | 01:42 |
| PrivateVoid | and World of Warcrack before that | 01:42 |
| dinda | can I ask a general question about this channel? | 01:43 |
| pleia2 | dinda: sure | 01:43 |
| dinda | why do so many folks hang out here? are they waiting for something to happen? or just like to lurk? | 01:43 |
| pleia2 | Ubuntu Open Week is held here | 01:44 |
| pleia2 | I think a lot of people join during that, and lurk :) | 01:44 |
| dinda | that's one every 6 months | 01:44 |
| pleia2 | developers week is also hosted here, which is 6-12 months | 01:44 |
| pleia2 | I think most folks just lurk and look in when something is going on if it's interesting | 01:44 |
| dinda | are there any other regularly scheduled events here? | 01:44 |
| pleia2 | motu school had regular sessions for a while | 01:45 |
| dinda | yeah James_w was very helpful in trying to get those going | 01:45 |
| * pleia2 nods | 01:45 | |
| pleia2 | they were great :) | 01:45 |
| pleia2 | alas, we don't have much else going on | 01:45 |
| * Rocket2DMn returns to his tiny corners of the IRC net | 01:45 | |
| pleia2 | so I scour the ubuntu community for other teams doing classes, and drag them here | 01:45 |
| * pleia2 points at PrivateVoid | 01:46 | |
| dinda | :) | 01:46 |
| pleia2 | like beginners team! :) | 01:46 |
| PrivateVoid | I will try to build it... I will... | 01:46 |
| dinda | we've had some success with our weekly session in the training team | 01:46 |
| dinda | but need to add some evening US time sessions | 01:47 |
| PrivateVoid | dinda, another team for teaching... cool... we really need to pool our resources | 01:47 |
| PrivateVoid | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education | 01:47 |
| PrivateVoid | I am working on getting some stuff going with pleia2 | 01:47 |
| dinda | getting good session leaders is key | 01:48 |
| PrivateVoid | in using the wiki/forums and IRC to hold classes and Q&A sessions | 01:48 |
| PrivateVoid | yes, it is... | 01:48 |
| dinda | one guy found it really hard to lead an irc session with all the crosstalk in the channel | 01:48 |
| PrivateVoid | +m | 01:49 |
| PrivateVoid | set the channel to +m | 01:49 |
| PrivateVoid | that should cut that down | 01:49 |
| pleia2 | yeah, we tend to leave +m up to the instructor | 01:49 |
| dinda | some topics lend themselves to irc better than others I suppose | 01:49 |
| pleia2 | the ubuntu women open week presentation I did ended up having to be moderated | 01:50 |
| PrivateVoid | I agree dinda I see IRC being used in some courses as a 'help' session that augments class lessons that are forum/wiki based | 01:50 |
| PrivateVoid | that have material that is to be learned with assignments | 01:50 |
| dinda | good luck, let me know if i can help | 01:51 |
| PrivateVoid | dinda, you can help... | 01:52 |
| PrivateVoid | how do I contact you? | 01:52 |
| dinda | dinda@ubuntu.com :) | 01:52 |
| dinda | like pleia2 I'm not much a forums person either | 01:52 |
| PrivateVoid | k | 01:52 |
| PrivateVoid | not an issue... I am less a forum person than most of the BT guys | 01:53 |
| PrivateVoid | I mostly hang on IRC | 01:53 |
| PrivateVoid | and use LP to answer questions | 01:53 |
| dinda | ok, gotta go fight with BZR some more | 02:03 |
| dinda | night all! | 02:03 |
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