[00:10] * PrivateVoid nods [00:21] * pleia2 waves to PrivateVoid [00:21] * PrivateVoid waves back [00:22] almost done with the BT team meeting [00:58] * PrivateVoid waves again to pleia2 [00:58] * Rocket2DMn peeks [01:00] okies, meeting time :) [01:00] Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/MeetingAgenda2008Dec3 [01:00] so, who all is here? [01:00] introduce yourselfs! :) [01:01] yourselves too [01:01] * PrivateVoid PrivateVoid nods [01:01] hello everyone! [01:01] I'm just here to watch (I think) [01:01] err [01:01] Hello classsroom :) [01:02] hey bodhi_zazen [01:02] The Beginners team in interested in assisting with #ubuntu-classroom :) [01:02] we can start out with that [01:03] so currently, ubuntu-classroom is mostly a basic project to help teams host courses in irc - we hold sessions here so there is a centralized location, help put folks in touch with resources for promotion [01:03] Sounds awesome [01:04] we also intended to do our own general sessions, which is pretty much the same mandate as the beginners education team [01:04] And we can help guide people to IRC (from forums mostly) [01:04] (early on when classroom was founded we did our own) [01:04] bodhi_zazen: nice :) [01:04] so lately we don't have the humanpower to run our own courses, so mostly it's just been a coordination and promotion thing [01:05] We can help coordinate on the forums and we have some members who would like to instruct as well [01:05] excellent [01:05] Classroom doesn't currently have a forums contingent, and I'm not much of a forums person so I've never pushed it, but it's a great resource [01:06] I am afraid I am stealing PrivateVoid's thunder here, PrivateVoid has done some outstanding footwork [01:06] The beginners team has an education focus group - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education [01:06] We would like to run classes that are wiki/forum based with IRC sessions, and IRC based classes, and IRC based Q&A sessions. [01:06] The type of 'class' I view as a candidate for the mixed sessions is a programming class. The lesson material and assignments are on the wiki or forum and the 'instructor' is available one night a week in IRC. [01:07] We are building a resources component of the wiki which links people to resources, but those resources do not answer all the questions... that is what the Q&A sessions would be for [01:07] Well, the BT is, IMO, not only a resource for beginners on the forums, but I see it as a way of encouraging people to become more involved with the Ubuntu community [01:07] I currently have a thread on the forums asking people what they would like to see 'taught' [01:07] so our members may go to Launchpad, MOTU, wiki, and classroot [01:07] *classroom [01:07] +1 bodhi_zazen [01:07] and some threads asking for interested instructors [01:08] PrivateVoid, link ? [01:08] I think the easiest way to build up, as bodhi_zazen suggested in the BT meeting, is to start with the Q&A sessions [01:08] sounds good [01:09] bodhi_zazen, they were not stickied... give me a second [01:09] np PrivateVoid, don't worry about it [01:09] call for topics -- http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=984986 [01:09] PrivateVoid: so I'm thinking you get these up and running, and when you want to host one drop a note to ubuntu-classroom list to get put on the wiki schedule (or just add it yourself) [01:09] call for instructors - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997940 [01:09] hey i m a newbie...and wanted to be on the MOTU team....i read the wiki page...but there are certain things that i didnt understand [01:09] pleia2, noted [01:10] I did file a bug [01:10] DarkKnight, if you wish, come to #ubuntuforums-beginners [01:10] we have members who will guide you if needed [01:10] bodhi_zazen; newbie in the sense i m newbie to the development process [01:11] As I said, one of our goals is to make the greater Ubuntu community more "accessible" [01:11] I'm sure you could teach us all a few tricks DarkKnight :) [01:11] bodhi_zazen; wat tricks [01:12] so once we have a class scheduled, we'll help promote if you need us [01:12] that would be awesome pleia2 [01:12] I have suggested we start small and build ;) [01:12] * pleia2 nods [01:12] yes bodhi_zazen the Q&A is an excellent starting point [01:13] Thank you for your time, we will be in touch [01:13] i didnt get a word of wat u ppl had been saying [01:13] DarkKnight: we're having a meeting :) [01:13] PrivateVoid: are there any other ways you can think we can help you guys out? [01:14] pleia2; okkk..... [01:14] pleia2, we need instructors... and people willing to write some courses [01:14] pleia2; ya i need help [01:14] FAQs and HowTos are ok, but not really 'courses' [01:14] * pleia2 nods [01:14] so the format has to be slightly different [01:15] FAQs and How Tos can be preparation material for the Q&A sessions, but the courses would be more 'lesson' based [01:15] so the way I see things, is Classroom itself really woud like to get our own courses going again, but if we could delegate that to your team it might be a worthwhile thing [01:15] that would be great... but my 'team' is rather small right now... [01:15] so it might be best to work in harmony with one another [01:15] unfortunately we've already been burnt by working with another team for such things, there was a New Users team a long time ago that died :) [01:16] * PrivateVoid nods [01:16] I understand [01:16] pleia2; so wat r being thought in the classroom...and how r ppl across the world going 2 learn [01:16] bodhi_zazen, will whipe me if I fade away and die [01:16] so I have no ability to just leave you all hanging [01:17] DarkKnight: can you hold off new questions until we finish up this discussion? [01:17] DarkKnight, we will be making classes... about Bash Scripting, programming Python, etc... and then we will offer the courses in the IRC channel and via wiki/forum posts [01:17] pleia2, although it is early, I think the BT is getting established and if anything I see growth [01:17] DarkKnight: the classroom site is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom [01:17] bodhi_zazen: *nod* [01:18] If you have concerns or feedback we would be all ears [01:18] pleia2; thanq.....ohh plzz don't mind for having interrupted [01:18] ur discussion [01:19] I think we would add to rather then take over if you will [01:19] ok, so maybe you guys start off with the q&a sessions, we promote, and take it from there? [01:19] * pleia2 nods [01:19] We would start small for sure, and build [01:19] * PrivateVoid nods [01:19] honestly Classroom has kinda fizzled out these past couple years, it's been tough to get regoing and perhaps what we ultimately *need* is another team helping out [01:20] that sounds good pleia2 do you have any instructors... or a good idea on how to recruit them? [01:20] that, I think, will be the largest challenge [01:20] thus far we've primarily used planet, posts to UWN, and our own connections within the community (ie - nag people who know stuff to do classes) [01:20] the forums, the wiki and launchpad all give people, those who seek it, 'exposure' and 'recognition' [01:21] perhaps if there was a way to give people that 'recognition' for being an instructor we would get some more people interested [01:21] * pleia2 notes that nagging has been primary tool [01:21] PrivateVoid, do we not have a few interested instructors in the BT ? [01:22] It would be a start [01:22] bodhi_zazen, being honest we have people that have expressed an interest... but only one that I am aware of that ran a class [01:22] the Q&A sessions would make it easier, I think, to get people to commit to the time [01:22] Well, to be honest, I think they will respond to "leadership" and "structure" [01:23] It is nebulous, being an instructor [01:23] most do [01:23] but if you tell them what is needed, give them structure, they will follow [01:23] you are a natural leader [01:23] bodhi_zazen, I agree... that is what I am trying to build... [01:23] +1 [01:24] bodhi_zazen: +1 [01:24] I just enable people to shine [01:24] not really any leadership in that... [01:24] yes there is, and that is my line :) [01:24] so for classroom stuff, we developed this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Guidelines [01:24] * PrivateVoid does not take compliments well... they embarrass him... as much as he appreciates them [01:25] * PrivateVoid reads wiki [01:25] bookmarked pleia2 [01:25] good structure pleia2 [01:25] it's a bit rough around the edges [01:26] but basic ideas are there [01:26] it is good... we can buff the edges [01:26] :) [01:26] I think writing the wiki ahead of time and adding to it after the class would be a good idea [01:27] perhaps a wiki for the main 'subject' and logs of previous classes [01:27] PrivateVoid: like for a series on a similar subject? [01:27] yes [01:27] * pleia2 nods [01:28] I would think certain classes will see many students pass through the 'doors' [01:29] I am going to need to get to my family soon [01:29] pleia2, you can always find us at #ubuntuforums-beginners :) [01:30] * pleia2 recalls :) [01:30] It is a relaxed channel, take care not to click on the links :) [01:30] I stopped lurking because people were always welcoming me like I was new [01:30] hehe [01:30] I hang here... and on many other channels [01:30] I knew where to find you guys if I needed ;) [01:30] We like fresh victims [01:31] doh, I mean members [01:31] * PrivateVoid evil grin [01:31] mmmmm blooooood [01:31] haha [01:31] alas, I dislike forums :) [01:32] ok, so since bodhi_zazen has to scoot soon - I'll work up some gathering instructors ideas and post them to the wiki, you guys start working on a couple pepole to start running classes and then nudge me or the classroom list when you're ready to get help for promotion and stuff? [01:33] Well, that is one way we can work together, we are strong on forums, weaker elsewhere [01:33] sounds good!! [01:33] +1 pleia2 [01:34] PrivateVoid: I'd be interested in other thoughst of yours for expanding classes beyond forums/wiki (you had mentioned moodle at some point), but I think that's for a later time [01:34] don't want to tackle too much at once [01:34] yes.... if we get things rolling... [01:34] a app like moodle could really help [01:35] I wrote an entire course for School Administrators regarding security in Moodle... [01:35] so I have a bit of experience with it... though not an expert [01:36] * pleia2 knows very little about moodle [01:37] * PrivateVoid nods and waves [01:37] i know about Moodle [01:37] thanks for the time on your docket classroom team [01:37] I appreciate the opportunity [01:37] and hope that I can assist in moving the education of Ubuntu users forward [01:39] your enthusiasm is much needed :) [01:40] I hope it rubs off... [01:41] to be honest... I gave up computer gaming... and Ubuntu is what I am focused on instead [01:42] I did the same a while back [01:42] Cool... [01:42] I was very, very in to Guild Wars... [01:42] and World of Warcrack before that [01:43] can I ask a general question about this channel? [01:43] dinda: sure [01:43] why do so many folks hang out here? are they waiting for something to happen? or just like to lurk? [01:44] Ubuntu Open Week is held here [01:44] I think a lot of people join during that, and lurk :) [01:44] that's one every 6 months [01:44] developers week is also hosted here, which is 6-12 months [01:44] I think most folks just lurk and look in when something is going on if it's interesting [01:44] are there any other regularly scheduled events here? [01:45] motu school had regular sessions for a while [01:45] yeah James_w was very helpful in trying to get those going [01:45] * pleia2 nods [01:45] they were great :) [01:45] alas, we don't have much else going on [01:45] * Rocket2DMn returns to his tiny corners of the IRC net [01:45] so I scour the ubuntu community for other teams doing classes, and drag them here [01:46] * pleia2 points at PrivateVoid [01:46] :) [01:46] like beginners team! :) [01:46] I will try to build it... I will... [01:46] we've had some success with our weekly session in the training team [01:47] but need to add some evening US time sessions [01:47] dinda, another team for teaching... cool... we really need to pool our resources [01:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Education [01:47] I am working on getting some stuff going with pleia2 [01:48] getting good session leaders is key [01:48] in using the wiki/forums and IRC to hold classes and Q&A sessions [01:48] yes, it is... [01:48] one guy found it really hard to lead an irc session with all the crosstalk in the channel [01:49] +m [01:49] set the channel to +m [01:49] that should cut that down [01:49] yeah, we tend to leave +m up to the instructor [01:49] some topics lend themselves to irc better than others I suppose [01:50] the ubuntu women open week presentation I did ended up having to be moderated [01:50] I agree dinda I see IRC being used in some courses as a 'help' session that augments class lessons that are forum/wiki based [01:50] that have material that is to be learned with assignments [01:51] good luck, let me know if i can help [01:52] dinda, you can help... [01:52] how do I contact you? [01:52] dinda@ubuntu.com :) [01:52] like pleia2 I'm not much a forums person either [01:52] k [01:53] not an issue... 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