| amikrop | How is the icon most upper-left icon, set? | 01:09 |
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| amikrop | The icon left to the "Applications" menu. The Ubuntu logo in Ubuntu, and the GNOME foot, in Debian or Gentoo, by default. | 01:09 |
| amikrop | ? | 01:12 |
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| Lancao | hi | 05:41 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 05:43 | |
| Treenaks | hi Hobbsee | 05:45 |
| Hobbsee | hey Treenaks! | 05:46 |
| * Treenaks is trying to wake up, but it's not working | 05:47 | |
| Hobbsee | heh | 05:48 |
| * Hobbsee offers a bucket of ice? | 05:48 | |
| * Hobbsee is fighting gtk | 05:48 | |
| * Treenaks runs away from the ice | 05:48 | |
| Treenaks | Hobbsee: what's the problem with gtk? | 05:48 |
| Hobbsee | Treenaks: well, apart from a nutcase user who insists on subscribing ubuntu-core-dev to bugs, i'm looking at the "update manager keeps stealing focus & setting urgency hints while it doesn't require user input" bug | 05:49 |
| Treenaks | Hobbsee: I think he might mean the 'updating..' window | 05:52 |
| Treenaks | that used to do that, don't know if it still does it (no updates, so can't reproduce ;) | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | it does | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | or at least, sometimes does | 05:52 |
| Treenaks | Hobbsee: 'sometimes' bugs are the worst | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | wlel, it may always do it. i tend to minimise it, so don't see it | 05:57 |
| Lancao | I need help on the sound when XP on the ubuntu | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | Lancao: #ubuntu for support, please. | 06:04 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:26 |
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| jeswhy | :P | 08:44 |
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| lancao | hello | 09:50 |
| lool | slangasek: Re: #291582 you're saying this is also pushed to intrepid-proposed?? | 10:08 |
| lool | we have no intrepid psb drivers right now | 10:09 |
| lool | (well we just got access to them, but they weren't pushed anywhere) | 10:09 |
| lool | slangasek: Hmm given that I see no linux intrepid uploads, I guess it was an EBUGNUMBER | 10:21 |
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| hwilde | how can I send my hostname to dns with a static IP | 12:51 |
| RainCT | hwilde: what do you mean? | 12:54 |
| hwilde | i mean dhclient is what sends the hostname out and registers with dns right | 12:58 |
| hwilde | /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf send host-name ""; | 12:58 |
| hwilde | what if I'm using a static IP not dhclient, and I want to just send that host-name to DNS | 12:59 |
| maxb | hwilde: to *what* DNS? | 13:06 |
| hwilde | the dns server in /etc/resolv.conf ? | 13:06 |
| maxb | It's sounding you don't understand how DNS works. You don't "send hostnames to DNS" (except in the special case of dynamic DNS, which is very much a special case, not the norm.) | 13:08 |
| hwilde | so what does this do: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf send host-name ""; | 13:12 |
| ogra | can you take that to a support channel ? | 13:12 |
| hwilde | yeah they don't know over there | 13:12 |
| ogra | that doesnt justify anything | 13:12 |
| ogra | see /topic | 13:13 |
| ogra | seb128, would you kill me if i dropped -Werror from metacity ? | 13:13 |
| seb128 | ogra: I don't care, I don't work on that one | 13:14 |
| ogra | seb128, at least ntil upstream shows some recation on gnome bug 562106 ? so it builds on armel | 13:14 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 562106 in general "build error on x86_64" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=562106 | 13:14 |
| seb128 | ogra: tarballs should not have Werror set, that's an upstream bug | 13:14 |
| ogra | well, its helpful during development, so i understand why they do it | 13:15 |
| seb128 | the rules is usually that svn has it set but not tarballs | 13:15 |
| ogra | ah, i didnt know gnome had a rule for that | 13:16 |
| seb128 | not sure that's a rules but that's how it's done usually | 13:16 |
| ogra | i foungth endless wars with gnome-powermanager upstream about that | 13:16 |
| ogra | and he insisted it had to stay | 13:16 |
| seb128 | the svn is used to do hacking work, tarballs are for users and should be buildable easily | 13:16 |
| ogra | right | 13:16 |
| seb128 | don't bother in any case just do the change and upload to jaunty | 13:17 |
| ogra | will do, gracias :) | 13:17 |
| hwilde | dhclient does send the host-name to dns tho | 13:21 |
| * hwilde stares at maxb | 13:22 | |
| wgrant | hwilde: No, it sends it to the DHCP server. Now back to userland with you. | 13:23 |
| hwilde | well ok then the dhcp server sends it to dns, that's not the point | 13:24 |
| hwilde | is there any way to do that while using a static IP | 13:24 |
| hwilde | just send the hostname, not actually request dhcp | 13:25 |
| * ogra doesnt get why libcanberra 0.6-0ubuntu3 still shows up on jaunty_probs | 13:48 | |
| ogra | should be superseded since weeks | 13:48 |
| ScottK | ogra: Any rdepends left? | 13:53 |
| ScottK | IIRC NBS still needs to be run manually so it'll hang around until someone does. | 13:53 |
| ogra | ScottK, not that i'm aware of ... there is libcanberra-gnome which is nonexisting in 0.10, but there are proper conflicts/replaces lines | 13:54 |
| ScottK | Maybe just waiting to get NBS'ed away. | 13:55 |
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| asac | ScottK: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.0.head/revision/380 ... cheers. | 14:31 |
| ScottK | asac: Thank you. That will be welcome news to a lot of Kubuntu users. | 14:37 |
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| asac | heh | 14:58 |
| asac | i hope so ;) | 14:58 |
| tseliot1 | slangasek: can you do an upload for me (SRU) or are you too busy today? | 16:21 |
| pqangel | hi, | 16:40 |
| pqangel | i have a lil question anyone care to help me out? | 16:40 |
| RainCT | hi pqangel | 16:42 |
| RainCT | !ask | 16:42 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | 16:42 |
| ogra | meh, what happened to ubuntu-desktop ? | 16:48 |
| ogra | ogra@osiris:~/Devel/packages/rpm-4.6.0-rc2$ apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop|grep Version | 16:48 |
| ogra | Version: 1.124 | 16:48 |
| ogra | 1.126 was uploaded last thursday | 16:49 |
| gnomefreak | ogra: i have 1.126 | 16:52 |
| ogra | gnomefreak, yeah, seems i was cheated by myself ... using jaunty for deb-src but intrepid for deb :) | 16:53 |
| gnomefreak | ogra: ;) | 16:53 |
| ogra | though i still dont get why libcanberra-gnome doesnt go away | 16:54 |
| ogra | evil sticky thing | 16:54 |
| gnomefreak | its been held back for a while now | 16:54 |
| ogra | held back ? libcanberra build a week ago ... | 16:55 |
| ogra | libcanberra-gnome doesnt exist in the new package | 16:55 |
| gnomefreak | ogra: its replaved with -gtk | 16:55 |
| ogra | and ubuntu-desktop shouldnt depend on it anymore | 16:55 |
| ogra | right | 16:55 |
| ogra | so i dont get why it still shows up on jaunty_probs ... it should have gone since a while | 16:56 |
| gnomefreak | ogra: i dont see it as a depends of u-d | 16:56 |
| ogra | me neither | 16:57 |
| ogra | so whats keeping it there ? :) | 16:57 |
| gnomefreak | if you install it instead of upgrade it installs and removed -gnome but as to why apt isnt upgrading it im not sure | 16:58 |
| * gnomefreak blames apt | 16:59 | |
| ogra | heh | 16:59 |
| ogra | so easy to blame :) | 16:59 |
| gnomefreak | pulse has almost same issue | 17:00 |
| gnomefreak | thats why i blame apt :) | 17:00 |
| ogra | hmm | 17:01 |
| gnomefreak | ogra: seems any name change isnt being handled properly with apt sox is same way it removes libsox0a and installs libsox1 | 17:02 |
| ogra | i would expect that to be handled through conflicts/replaces actually | 17:03 |
| gnomefreak | ogra: sox is right on depends | 17:04 |
| gnomefreak | but no conflicts | 17:04 |
| * ogra wonders ... | 17:04 | |
| ogra | Package: libcanberra-gtk0 | 17:04 |
| ogra | Architecture: any | 17:04 |
| ogra | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} | 17:04 |
| ogra | Recommends: libcanberra-gtk-module | 17:04 |
| ogra | Conflicts: libcanberra-gnome (<< 0.10-1) | 17:04 |
| ogra | Replaces: libcanberra-gnome (<< 0.10-1) | 17:04 |
| ogra | adding a provides might solve it i guess | 17:05 |
| ogra | that would superseded the existing libcanberra-gnome | 17:05 |
| gnomefreak | if it replaces/conflicts it should be handled properly | 17:05 |
| ogra | *supersede | 17:05 |
| ogra | not for the archive apparently | 17:05 |
| gnomefreak | i see it | 17:06 |
| ogra | else jaunty_probs wouldnt show libcanberra-gnome (which it can only find in v0.6) | 17:06 |
| gnomefreak | ogra: 0.6-0ubuntu3 is >> not << | 17:06 |
| gnomefreak | << 0.10*1 should be >> maybe? | 17:06 |
| ogra | <= ? | 17:07 |
| ogra | hmm, no | 17:07 |
| ogra | << is ok | 17:07 |
| gnomefreak | as of now it conflicts/replaces << 0.10-1 but 0.6 is > than 0.10 | 17:07 |
| ogra | ogra@osiris:~/Devel/packages/rpm-4.6.0-rc2$ dpkg --compare-versions 0.10 gt 0.6||echo false | 17:09 |
| ogra | ogra@osiris:~/Devel/packages/rpm-4.6.0-rc2$ | 17:09 |
| gnomefreak | hmm | 17:09 |
| gnomefreak | it seems all held back packages can be installed but not upgraded | 17:12 |
| EtienneG | I have a stupid question here ... can we build chroot of later release using debootstrap? | 17:23 |
| EtienneG | ie, building intrepid/jaunty chroot on hardy? | 17:23 |
| ogra | EtienneG, yes | 17:23 |
| ogra | you usually need the backported debootstrap though | 17:24 |
| EtienneG | ogra, I guess I need to get the script somewhere and drop them in /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts ? | 17:24 |
| ogra | or install the latest debootstrap from the latest distro | 17:24 |
| EtienneG | ogra, thanks, will look in backport then | 17:24 |
| ogra | debootstrap is usually just installable | 17:24 |
| * ogra always just takes the one from next release and installs it | 17:25 | |
| EtienneG | 'k | 17:25 |
| EtienneG | ogra, shouldn't you be on a a plane already? ;) | 17:25 |
| ogra | tomoroow morning :) | 17:25 |
| EtienneG | he | 17:26 |
| ogra | EtienneG, and yourself ? | 17:26 |
| EtienneG | I am going too, first one since Seville | 17:26 |
| ogra | cool, looking forward to meet you | 17:26 |
| EtienneG | ogra, same here, we will have a beer | 17:26 |
| EtienneG | we will probably have to settle for a creepy hotel bar, but he | 17:26 |
| EtienneG | as long as it not a dating nights or anything | 17:27 |
| ogra | as long as its better than the wild palms bar we had last time in mountainview all is fine :) | 17:27 |
| ogra | they closed at 6:30pm | 17:27 |
| EtienneG | no shit! | 17:27 |
| ogra | no :) | 17:28 |
| EtienneG | now, that *is* bad! | 17:28 |
| ogra | and the bus from google only started at 6pm | 17:28 |
| EtienneG | ARRRRR! | 17:28 |
| ogra | so we always came in for exactly one beer until they closed ... | 17:28 |
| ogra | but they left the room open and teher was a liqor store nearby | 17:29 |
| EtienneG | ha | 17:29 |
| EtienneG | nonetheless, i prefer drinking in bar ... the context is just better | 17:30 |
| ogra | yeah, lets see how the new hotel is | 17:30 |
| ogra | though i think its the same chain | 17:30 |
| EtienneG | there, it works with the debootstrap in backports, thanks ogra | 17:30 |
| EtienneG | bars closing so early is kinda weird, it is | 17:31 |
| EtienneG | Califoria after all | 17:31 |
| ogra | well, its sunnyvale after all ... | 17:31 |
| ogra | middle of nowhere village :) | 17:32 |
| EtienneG | indeed | 17:32 |
| EtienneG | too bad, i guess it will be more productive! | 17:32 |
| ogra | heh, by nature | 17:32 |
| ogra | since we are locked in at google during worktime | 17:33 |
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| slangasek | lool: not EBUGNUMBER, EWRONGINVOCATIONOF"sru-accept" I think | 18:04 |
| slangasek | lool: I should've used the "-s hardy" argument when sending my autogenerated messages :/ | 18:05 |
| slangasek | tseliot1: I can do an SRU upload, but usually the SRU team are the last people you want to have sponsoring the actual uploads? :) | 18:06 |
| tseliot1 | slangasek: ah, ok, I'll keep that in mind in the future. If you're available I would be glad if you could upload the sources listed in this file to intrepid-proposed: | 18:08 |
| tseliot1 | http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/newlrm/pitti/destination.txt | 18:08 |
| tseliot1 | this is the SRU: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-177/+bug/297543 | 18:09 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 297543 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "Update Package: nVidia 180.11" [Undecided,In progress] | 18:09 |
| slangasek | tseliot1: changelogs for SRUs need to reference the LP bug #s for any bugs they're fixing. Do you want to fix this and feed me new source packages, or should I take care o it here? | 18:50 |
| slangasek | +f | 18:50 |
| slangasek | tseliot1: also, bug #297543 doesn't currently mention -96 or -173 | 18:51 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/297543/+text) | 18:51 |
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| tseliot1 | slangasek: right, I mentioned them here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-177/+bug/297543/comments/36 | 18:59 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 297543 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "Update Package: nVidia 180.11" [Undecided,In progress] | 18:59 |
| slangasek | tseliot1: well, there should be tasks open for each package that's being SRUed (either on this bug or another), so that we can track the status | 18:59 |
| slangasek | in this case, separate bugs might be better since I guess each package needs to have SRU verification / regression testing separately? | 19:00 |
| tseliot1 | slangasek: not in this case since the changes to those packages are trivial and are related compatibility with the new driver | 19:01 |
| tseliot1 | so that installing one driver removes the other | 19:01 |
| tseliot1 | etc. | 19:01 |
| slangasek | ok | 19:02 |
| slangasek | then please open tasks for the other packages being SRUed | 19:02 |
| tseliot1 | ok | 19:02 |
| slangasek | tseliot1: 173.14.12-1-0ubuntu7 -- wrong version number, you need to use a version number that sorts earlier than the version in jaunty, not later | 19:04 |
| slangasek | e.g. 5.1 << 6 | 19:04 |
| tseliot1 | slangasek: I was told that I couldn't use the same version which is in Jaunty, therefore I bumped the version in intrepid. Would it help if I bumped the version in Jaunty instead? | 19:06 |
| slangasek | no, use 5.1 as the version number | 19:07 |
| slangasek | there's no reason to do another upload to jaunty for this | 19:07 |
| tseliot1 | slangasek: aah, ubuntu5.1 | 19:07 |
| slangasek | yep | 19:07 |
| tseliot1 | ok | 19:07 |
| slangasek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityUpdateProcedures includes the best guide to package versioning in SRUs | 19:08 |
| ogra | "make it a dolby surround version" ? | 19:09 |
| tseliot1 | thanks for the link | 19:09 |
| tseliot1 | ogra: yep 5.1 | 19:10 |
| ogra | :) | 19:10 |
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| doko | lool: was there any outcome about the arm double/qreal discussion? | 19:21 |
| slangasek | tseliot1: I'll wait for you to post new packages with fixed version numbers and changelog bug references, then | 19:25 |
| tseliot1 | slangasek: ok, let's see if I got it right this time: 96.43.09-0ubuntu1.1 , 173.14.12-1-0ubuntu5.1, 177.82-0ubuntu1.1 , 180.11-0ubuntu0.1 | 19:25 |
| slangasek | tseliot1: should -177 be 177.82-0ubuntu0.1? there doesn't seem to have been an -0ubuntu1 in intrepid | 19:27 |
| slangasek | in terms of sorting with what's currently in the archive, though, all of those are fine | 19:27 |
| tseliot1 | slangasek: 177.82-0ubuntu1 was available in jaunty but now it has been superseeded by ubuntu2. I guess I can use ubuntu1 then | 19:29 |
| slangasek | no, you can't use ubuntu1 | 19:29 |
| slangasek | you can never reuse version numbers | 19:29 |
| slangasek | but 0ubuntu0.1 is more correct than 0ubuntu1.1, because it sorts earlier than every version that's ever been in jaunty | 19:29 |
| tseliot1 | so I was right before | 19:29 |
| tseliot1 | ah, good | 19:30 |
| tseliot1 | ok, let me upload the sources again | 19:33 |
| tseliot1 | slangasek: ok, here you go: http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/newlrm/pitti/destination.txt | 19:37 |
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| slangasek | tseliot1: so in the preinst diff, I see that -96 tries to remove its own diversions, is that intentional or a copy/paste error? | 19:50 |
| tseliot1 | slangasek: it's intentional (because of previous versions) | 19:53 |
| tseliot1 | it shouldn't cause problems anyway | 19:53 |
| tseliot1 | since it's in the preinst | 19:53 |
| slangasek | this reasoning escapes me | 19:54 |
| slangasek | tseliot1: I'm not sure this dkms switch is appropriate in an SRU; is there discussion of that change somewhere in LP? | 19:55 |
| tseliot1 | slangasek: the dkms switch is not such a big change. It reuses the same directories and lets DKMS apply the patches instead of patching things in advance | 19:57 |
| slangasek | tseliot1: how would I confirm that dkms would do the patch applying? | 19:57 |
| slangasek | I'm unfamiliar with dkms details | 19:58 |
| tseliot1 | it is written in the dkms.conf.in | 19:58 |
| tseliot1 | I'll make an example | 19:58 |
| slangasek | nothing there specifically mentions patches; should I just trust that the directory you're copying these into is the directory that dkms looks for patches in? | 19:59 |
| tseliot1 | slangasek: if I add the following lines to dkms.conf.in: PATCH[0]="NVIDIA-177.82_2.6.28.patch" | 19:59 |
| tseliot1 | PATCH_MATCH[0]="^2.6.2[8]" | 19:59 |
| tseliot1 | then the patch is applied only if kernel 2.6.28 is in use | 19:59 |
| slangasek | ah - in practice this isn't an issue for 96 because the patch set is empty ;) | 19:59 |
| tseliot1 | yep | 19:59 |
| tseliot1 | if you're interested, you can do a "man dkms" and get to where it says PATCH[#] | 20:01 |
| tseliot1 | for example it says that dkms looks for patches in /usr/src/<module>-<module-version>/patches/ | 20:02 |
| tseliot1 | and currently I copy patches from debian.binary/patches to what will be installed in /usr/src/<module>-<module-version>/patches/ | 20:02 |
| tseliot1 | this will make things a lot easier as I can use the same sources for intrepid, jaunty, etc. just by adding new patches (in theory) and telling dkms when it should apply each patch | 20:04 |
| tseliot1 | e.g. PATCH_MATCH[0]="^2.6.2[8-9]" means apply patch[0] only if 2.6.28 <= kernel <= 2.6.29 | 20:05 |
| superm1 | it also helps if someone is regressing a problem in a kernel by grabbing the kernel from release+1 | 20:05 |
| * tseliot1 nods | 20:06 | |
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| lool | doko: Concerning kdebase-workspace or kde4bindings? | 20:31 |
| lool | doko: kdebase-workspace was patched, but the new kde4bindings doesn't build anymore because of the new kdelibs | 20:31 |
| lool | doko: On #kde-devel, people commented that kdelibs should be patched to move to qreal, but that this should be discussed on kde-core-devel@ or some similar list to make sure nobody has something to raise about the abi change on arm/wince | 20:32 |
| lool | doko: NCommander said he would Cc: me when he mails the proposed patch there | 20:32 |
| * lool offline now & | 20:32 | |
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| ScottK-laptop | If a package needs a config file to run, but it's not provided (except as examples) and the init just prints a warning to stdout is that a policy violation or merely in poor taste? | 22:09 |
| directhex | where are the examples stored? | 22:09 |
| ScottK-laptop | In /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGENAME | 22:12 |
| slangasek | ScottK-laptop: poor taste, I think; there are cases in which you legitimately want a package to not do anything by default, and I don't see a way to distinguish between those cases and the one you dsecribe, at a policy level | 22:36 |
| ScottK-laptop | slangasek: OK. How about writing to stdout in the init is the only warning you get? | 22:37 |
| slangasek | sounds to me these are all bugs, just not policy violatios :) | 22:38 |
| slangasek | n | 22:38 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. | 22:39 |
| ScottK-laptop | If it was policy it'd be easier to know if it's RC or not (this affects Debian too). | 22:39 |
| tseliot1 | slangasek: let me know if you see other problems with my source code (for the upload) | 22:41 |
| slangasek | tseliot1: sure. I have two of them uploaded so far, moving on to 177 now | 22:41 |
| tseliot1 | slangasek: thanks a lot | 22:41 |
| slangasek | tseliot1: was there discussion of whether 180 belongs as an SRU, given that it's a new package, vs. backports? | 22:41 |
| tseliot1 | I talked to superm1 about this. The new driver won't be suggested by Jockey unless the modalias package is installed | 22:42 |
| tseliot1 | I think it's safe to put it in updates | 22:43 |
| tseliot1 | instead of backports | 22:43 |
| superm1 | the converse to that though, considering it's a beta driver, it might make more sense to regularly update it via backports until the stable driver is released in the 180 series | 22:48 |
| superm1 | rather than always filing SRU's for such things | 22:49 |
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