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[17:00]  * heno waves
[17:00]  * schwuk waves also
[17:00] <ogasawara> hi guys
[17:00] <ara> hello!
[17:00] <schwuk> hi ogasawara. ara
[17:00] <bdmurray> hi schwuk ogasawara ara
[17:01] <ara> hi schwuk ogasawara bdmurray
[17:01] <ara> :)
[17:01] <heno> this won't scale :)
[17:01] <bdmurray> ;-)
[17:01] <heno> so let's start!
[17:01] <heno> #startmeeting
[17:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is heno.
[17:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:01] <heno> agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[17:02] <heno> sbeattie: here?
[17:02] <sbeattie> yep
[17:02] <heno> pedro has started his trip to FOSSCamp AFAIK
[17:03] <heno> [TOPIC] Finalising the UDS schedule - heno
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Finalising the UDS schedule - heno
[17:03] <heno> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/qa/
[17:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/qa/
[17:03] <heno> From my perspective it's pretty much settled - please have a look and comment
[17:04] <heno> also please add yourself as [required] participants as appropriate
[17:04] <ara> stupid comment: what do the different colours mean?
[17:04] <bdmurray> yellow are plenarys
[17:05] <heno> blue is spec, yellow is plenery, green is a discussion
[17:05] <bdmurray> peachpuff is roundtables
[17:05] <ara> thanks :)
[17:05] <bdmurray> I think the shade of blue changes depending on your relationship to the spec too
[17:06] <heno> not quite sure on the difference between peachpuff and green sessions actually
[17:08] <intellectronica> may i suggest doing the malone/qa team meeting next week at UDS?
[17:08] <bdmurray> Incidentally, the QA bugs session at 16:15 on Thursday may be an opportunity for us to share our bugs with Launchpad so have your bugs handy.
[17:08] <intellectronica> i won't be there, but i can call in. gmb is happy to organise the meeting
[17:09] <intellectronica> bdmurray: high 5
[17:09] <heno> intellectronica: should we schedule a meeting separately from the QA bugs session?
[17:09] <heno> we do have a free slot
[17:09] <heno> and we can still shuffle the order around a bit
[17:09] <intellectronica> heno: no, that should be enough. it may be a bit too late for me to call in, but as i said, graham will be there
[17:10] <heno> we can move it to before lunch if that works for gmb
[17:11] <intellectronica> that would be great. i'll ask gmb to coordinate that
[17:11] <bdmurray> heno: I just swapped them it seems to work for gmb
[17:12] <heno> ok, great
[17:12] <heno> any other comments on the schedule?
[17:13] <heno> we should freeze the time slots soonish so it can be announced to participants
[17:14] <ara> heno: it works well for me
[17:14] <heno> (I guess there is a distro-wide announcement planned) <- jcastro?
[17:15] <heno> moving on ...
[17:15] <heno> [TOPIC] Jaunty checkbox package (It's still the old hwtest) - heno
[17:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Jaunty checkbox package (It's still the old hwtest) - heno
[17:15] <heno> schwuk: can you find a sponsor for this?
[17:16] <ara> cr3 just told me that there were still some issues with upgrading
[17:16] <heno> should be trivial now that we are not frozen
[17:16] <cr3> heno: should I be the sponsor?
[17:17] <cr3> oh wait! motu sponsor, I would like to propose mathiaz
[17:17] <heno> cr3: you don't have Ubuntu main upload rights, do you? ;)
[17:17] <cr3> the packaging of checkbox is non-trivial and he's already familiar with it
[17:17] <heno> mathiaz> sounds good
[17:18] <cr3> heno: I'll inform him right away
[17:18] <heno> ok, thanks
[17:19] <heno> should checkbox be improved in any way to make packaging easier?
[17:19] <heno> (why is it non-trivial?)
[17:19] <cr3> heno: it's non-trivial so that preseed variables can be interpolated in the configuration file easily
[17:20] <cr3> heno: it's a compromise, either make packaging easy and updating the configuration painful. or, making packaging complicated and updating the configurationfile easy. mathiaz would be in best position to determine if improvements are possible or necessary even
[17:20] <heno> I didn't think the [d-i] preseed part lived in checkbox
[17:21] <heno> anyway, let's try to get it uploaded during UDS
[17:21] <cr3> it's not installer related, it's just normal package preseeding
[17:21] <heno> oic, ok
[17:22] <cr3> heno: mathiaz responded "no problem", so we'll sit down during uds to get it done
[17:22] <heno> also, on UDS preparations: feel free to add information to the stub specs altready before the discussions, esp, summaries, use cases, etc
[17:22] <schwuk> cr3: I'd like to be involved in that
[17:23] <heno> the design part is often best left for afterwards
[17:23] <cr3> ara: if you would like particular bugs fixed in checkbox before uploading to jaunty, please let me know. I've been plowing through bugs this week
[17:23] <ara> cr3: ok, I will have a look to the list and let you know
[17:23] <heno> we should try to get the specs completed before the holiday
[17:23] <heno> that way we can get straight to work in January
[17:24] <heno> that's it from me - any other business?
[17:25] <cr3> schwuk: I know you've expressed interest in breaking up the glade file to checkbox so that each test could potentially provide their own user interface, we should probably sit down together during uds so that we can potentially annoy seb about it :)
[17:26] <bdmurray> If you have something to share / demo the roundtables would be appropriate.
[17:27] <schwuk> cr3: Absolutely. It's sort of covered in the test definition spec, but I suspect that particular conversation will overspill.
[17:27] <cr3> bdmurray: thanks for the offer, I'll take you up on that
[17:28] <bdmurray> cr3: great!  How much time would you need?
[17:28] <cr3> schwuk: one of the reasons I provide a unified interface to tests is to make the test definition spec as short and simple as possible. this is a conversation for uds
[17:29] <cr3> bdmurray: roundtables seem to be 45 minutes, I think that would be great. less than that and I wouldn't cover enough, more than that and people will fall asleep :)
[17:30] <heno> cr3: a how to add tests to checkbox tutorial would be great
[17:30] <heno> there probably needsto be some time at each round table for short UDS-related updates too
[17:30] <bdmurray> cr3: okay, I think we could spare that much time
[17:31] <heno> so a bit less than 45 probably
[17:31] <cr3> heno: exactly, I had a tutorial in mind too
[17:31] <bdmurray> heno: true
[17:31]  * heno stops schedule bikesheading
[17:32] <heno> let's wrap it up - anything else?
[17:32] <heno> safe travels everyone!
[17:32] <heno> #endmeeting
[17:32] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:32.
[17:33] <heno> (and try to avoid the UDS-flu)
[17:34] <ara> ok! bye!