[00:06] <haggis-AAO-umpc> added syndemon to /etc/rc.local
[00:06] <haggis-AAO-umpc> :)
[00:13] <haggis-AAO-umpc> If this is an issue for you, the touchpad can be configured without enabling SHMConfig by placing the desired options in a HAL fdi file and rebooting.  thats handy for u Alastair 
[00:17] <hagisbasheruk>                                                                                                                                                                                   .
[00:21] <hagisbasheruk>  hi merriam ::)
[00:22] <hagisbasheruk>  well did it work Alastair ?
[00:22] <hagisbasheruk> gggggggeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttting laggggggg
[00:23] <hagisbasheruk> brb
[00:23] <hagisbasheruk> back , lag stoped
[00:30] <Alastair> nah
[00:31] <Alastair> nothing happened :(
[00:31] <Alastair> how can i check if the synaptics driver is even loaded ?
[00:31] <hagisbasheruk> lsmod
[00:33] <Alastair> well, either i'm blind or i can't see anything remote connected to it xD
[00:33] <Alastair> it seems the driver isn't loaded :s
[00:34] <hagisbasheruk> modprobe it
[00:35] <hagisbasheruk> add it to /etc/modules
[00:35] <Alastair> modprobe what... synaptics doesn't work
[00:36] <hagisbasheruk> ohh it doesn't 
[00:39] <hagisbasheruk> what device do u have again
[00:39] <Alastair> M912M
[00:42] <hagisbasheruk> what does xinput list give you in erminal ?
[00:42] <hagisbasheruk> +t
[00:49] <hagisbasheruk> i have solution for your touchscreen Alastair https://answers.launchpad.net/netbook-remix/+question/44781
[00:50] <Alastair> this is my xinput list
[00:50] <hagisbasheruk> ohh lol
[00:50] <hagisbasheruk> send again
[00:50] <Alastair> lol
[00:50] <Alastair> there's info on my touchpad too on that site xD
[00:52] <hagisbasheruk> driver defenetly not loaded
[00:54] <hagisbasheruk> I've just got the touchpad working on my M912M. The solution is simply to pass the option "i8042.noloop" to the kernel when booting. (Edit the root=vmlinuz line in the grub menu to add it). LOL
[00:55] <Alastair> i'll try this now
[00:57] <Alastair> i just write this at the end of the line or what ?
[00:57] <hagisbasheruk> yup
[00:59] <Alastair> LOL
[00:59] <Alastair> it's alive
[00:59] <Alastair> omg, thank you so much :D
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk> :)
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk> #---------------------------------------------- taken from menu.lst file
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk> title Ubuntu 8.04.1, Hardy Heron
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk> root (hd0,5)
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-21-generic root=UUID=c09ba635-5bf4-4eb1-be04-7ae8e61dc758 ro quiet vga=773 splash -- i8042.noloop
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-21-generic
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk> quiet
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk> #----------------------------------------------- taken from xorg.conf file
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk> Section "InputDevice"
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk>         Identifier "Configured Mouse"
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk>         Driver "mouse"
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk>         Option "CorePointer"
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk>         Option "/dev/input/mice"
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk>         Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk>         Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[00:59] <hagisbasheruk>         Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
[01:00] <hagisbasheruk> EndSection
[01:00] <hagisbasheruk> from that page
[01:00] <Alastair> ok...so now only the touchscreen issue is left on the table
[01:00] <hagisbasheruk> brb got to change bedding 
[01:01] <hagisbasheruk> fix that from new driver given
[01:01] <hagisbasheruk> on link
[01:02] <Alastair> that driver doesn't work with intrepid
[01:02] <hagisbasheruk> forgetthat ill change bedding in the morning , cant be bothered getting up now :)
[01:02] <Alastair> nvm... the touchpad is enough for now :D
[01:06] <hagisbasheruk> http://www.penmount.com.tw/Download/Driver/PenMount/gpm-1.20.1-penmount.tar  build your own !!
[01:06] <hagisbasheruk> :)
[01:07] <hagisbasheruk> make
[01:07] <hagisbasheruk> sudo make install :)
[01:07] <hagisbasheruk> the modprobe it
[01:07] <hagisbasheruk> thenP
[01:08] <hagisbasheruk> but that means you'll need to build it for every new kernel update though
[01:08] <Alastair> that doesn't work either xD the same error as the other driver
[01:09] <Alastair> i'll just have to wait 'till they add support in the calibration tool, or for penmount's driver
[01:10] <Alastair> moreover it is working at least partially... for the rest i'll use the pad :D
[01:10] <hagisbasheruk> :)
[01:10] <Alastair> thank you for finding that link xD
[01:10] <hagisbasheruk> np 
[01:11] <hagisbasheruk> had my googling head on tonight :)
[01:11] <Alastair> i searched google for hours, but never imagined the solution will be in the netbook-remix entry on launchpad...
[01:13] <hagisbasheruk> i just googled gigabyte m912m touchpad :)
[01:14] <Alastair> lol
[01:14] <Alastair> i tried many combinations, and every one of them involved ubuntu xD
[01:14] <hagisbasheruk> and was the 4th entry
[01:15] <Alastair> sometimes the simplest solution is right infront of your eyes but you can't see it ^^
[01:15] <Alastair> btw.
[01:15] <Alastair> is this permanent or will i have to enter it every time ?
[01:15] <hagisbasheruk> that is what made me click .....
[01:15] <hagisbasheruk> I've just got the touchpad working on my M912M. ... the ps/2 mouse port on the motherboard and that has know problems in linux with kernels after 2.6.10. ...
[01:15] <hagisbasheruk> :)
[01:16] <hagisbasheruk> perm
[01:16] <hagisbasheruk> you did edit menu.1st ?
[01:17] <hagisbasheruk> or did you just edit grub on bootup ?
[01:18] <Alastair> grub
[01:18] <Alastair> btw. the scrolling and tapping is working too...
[01:18] <Alastair> and much better than under windows i might add...
[01:19] <hagisbasheruk> edit your /boot/menu.1st
[01:20] <hagisbasheruk> then it will be perm
[01:20] <hagisbasheruk> edit your /boot/grub/menu.1st even
[01:21] <Alastair> thanks
[01:38] <Alastair> did you notice any real improvement after tweaking the video ?
[01:39] <hagisbasheruk> faster GL
[01:39] <Alastair> how much fps do you get on glxgears ?
[01:39] <hagisbasheruk> 2 sec i'll download
[01:40] <Alastair> no need it is already installed :D
[01:40] <Alastair> just type glxgears in terminal...
[01:40] <hagisbasheruk> lol
[01:40] <Alastair> hm... i see ~300fps improvement
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 575 frames in 5.0 seconds = 114.817 FPS
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 577 frames in 5.0 seconds = 115.378 FPS
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 3254 frames in 5.0 seconds = 650.771 FPS
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 3235 frames in 5.0 seconds = 646.989 FPS
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 3432 frames in 5.0 seconds = 686.218 FPS
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 3117 frames in 5.0 seconds = 623.283 FPS
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 3340 frames in 5.0 seconds = 667.988 FPS
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 1166 frames in 5.0 seconds = 232.789 FPS
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 520 frames in 5.0 seconds = 103.911 FPS
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 1007 frames in 5.0 seconds = 201.195 FPS
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 494 frames in 5.0 seconds = 98.491 FPS
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 568 frames in 5.0 seconds = 113.442 FPS
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 1242 frames in 5.0 seconds = 248.219 FPS
[01:42] <hagisbasheruk> 459 frames in 5.0 seconds = 91.722 FPS
[01:43] <hagisbasheruk> 646 frames in 5.0 seconds = 129.200 FPS
[01:43] <hagisbasheruk> 3212 frames in 5.0 seconds = 642.354 FPS
[01:43] <Alastair> lol lol stop xD
[01:43] <Alastair> definitely works.... b4 this i got ~300fps
[01:43] <Alastair> now it's almost double
[01:44] <hagisbasheruk> :)
[01:47] <Alastair> on my main pc i get around 13000 xD
[01:48] <hagisbasheruk> lol
[01:48] <Alastair> and that was with grossly underclocked video...
[01:49] <hagisbasheruk> i wonder if the umpc will get a lpia kernel at some point
[01:50] <hagisbasheruk> battery life sucks
[01:50] <Alastair> i have around 2hrs with wifi
[01:50] <hagisbasheruk> me 2
[01:50] <Alastair> my battery sux tho...
[01:50] <Alastair> 4500mah
[01:51] <Alastair> afaik the acer has bigger battery
[01:52] <Alastair> have you tried the lpia image ?
[01:52] <hagisbasheruk> 2200mAh
[01:52] <Alastair> theoretically if it's x86 it should boot on a normal pc ..
[01:52] <hagisbasheruk> yes on netbook remix
[01:53] <Alastair> :s
[01:53] <Alastair> my bat has twice the capacity yet survives for the same amount of time... wtf
[01:54] <hagisbasheruk> my bios acpi or what ever it is must be better
[01:55] <Alastair> nah
[01:55] <Alastair> no matter how better it is this shouldn't be happening :s
[01:55] <hagisbasheruk> :P
[01:56] <Alastair> i guess the ssd is more economical, but even so ....
[01:56] <hagisbasheruk> oh i did power saving mods to sdd
[01:57] <hagisbasheruk> i have hdd version of ASPIRE ONE
[01:57] <hagisbasheruk> oops
[01:58] <hagisbasheruk> script polls sd reader to see if card is present and if not it powers it down
[02:00] <hagisbasheruk> i will get bigger bat after new year sometime
[02:01] <Alastair> hm...dunno...
[02:01] <Alastair> i've seen external battery packs...
[02:01] <hagisbasheruk> cheep?
[02:01] <Alastair> but they cost almost as new pc ....
[02:01] <hagisbasheruk> lol , sod that
[02:07] <hagisbasheruk> i found a nice way to save bookmarks with midbrowser, grab icon in adrressbar and put on top taskbar
[02:07] <hagisbasheruk> then move to desktop later
[02:08] <Alastair> i removed the midbrowser asap... i'm too addicted to the classical firefox
[02:15] <hagisbasheruk> :)
[02:16] <hagisbasheruk> i guess you can always use F11
[02:16] <hagisbasheruk> To decrease boot time, activate concurrency bootup:  sudo gedit /etc/init.d/rc  and replace the line:
[02:17] <hagisbasheruk>     * CONCURRENCY=none 
[02:17] <hagisbasheruk> with
[02:17] <hagisbasheruk>     * CONCURRENCY=shell 
[02:17] <hagisbasheruk> brb going to test that now
[02:20] <hagisbasheruk> never noticed any difference , mabey on next boot
[02:29] <Alastair> omg... what the heck...
[02:29] <Alastair> did you see the size of gta4 x_x
[02:29] <Alastair> 2 dual-layer dvds ...
[02:30] <hagisbasheruk> lol
[02:30] <hagisbasheruk> no blue ray :)
[02:30] <Alastair> that standart was doomed from the beginning
[02:32] <Alastair> we want holographic disks xD
[02:33] <hagisbasheruk> there is a mic fix coming http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ef355da64ff087b6f26c4c28a14753861e83e4b
[02:34] <hagisbasheruk> available in kernel 2.6.28-rc2
[02:35] <Alastair> hm...
[02:36] <Alastair> i reckon 9.04 will be the distro for this machines...
[02:37] <Alastair> they came out too late for intrepid devs to include support for them :/
[02:37] <hagisbasheruk> sudo update-manager -d and see a surprise
[02:38] <Alastair> the wireless link is down, i can't xD
[02:38] <hagisbasheruk>  Welcome to Ubuntu 9.04 'Jaunty Jackalope' =
[02:38] <hagisbasheruk> *** THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT RELEASE ***
[02:38] <hagisbasheruk> The Ubuntu team is proud to announce Ubuntu 9.04 'Jaunty Jackalope'.
[02:39] <Alastair> yea, i know, they released the alpha some time ago...
[02:39] <hagisbasheruk> i got to go for it , lets see what breaks
[02:39] <Alastair> nothing yet
[02:39] <Alastair> just incremental updates over intrepid...wait for the beta
[02:40] <hagisbasheruk> 2 l8
[02:43] <hagisbasheruk> i guess i can just fill in bugs for a while until everything is running great on the AAO
[02:48] <hagisbasheruk> bed time , good night
[08:58] <skotti_> Hello everyone
[08:58] <skotti_> Any python-guru around?
[09:13] <playya_> skotti_, just ask your question. maybe someone mght help you.
[09:29] <skotti_> playya_: Thanks for the hint.
[09:30] <skotti_> I'm trying to start an executable from within python using os.popen( os.P_NOWAIT , <program-file> )
[09:30] <skotti_> I want the program to start (while i do a time.wait(X)) and then the pythin script executes a number of LDTP commands
[09:32] <skotti_> But the process is not detached, popen blocks further execution
[09:32] <skotti_> This is probably because a pipe is opened, but i don't need it.
[09:54] <playya_> skotti_, if you don't need the pipes you might use os.system
[09:56] <skotti_> playya_: I tried that but the python script just stops
[09:57] <skotti_> The program (be it gedit for convenience) opens and python waits for the process to end
[10:00] <playya_> could you paste some code?
[10:01] <skotti_> yep
[10:01] <skotti_> program = os.path.join( ' ','usr','bin','gedit' )
[10:01] <skotti_> print "hello"
[10:02] <skotti_> os.system( program )
[10:02] <skotti_> print "hello again"
[10:02] <skotti_> [...]
[10:02] <skotti_> the second print is executed only if i manually close gedit
[10:05] <skotti_> Alternativly i tried os.spawnl( os.P_NOWAIT, program ) which - to my surprise - does not start gedit but continues ok...
[10:05] <playya_> tried to remoce the os.P_NOWAIT ?
[10:05] <playya_> works for me
[10:06] <skotti_> Trying now...
[10:07] <skotti_> os.spawnl() takes at least 2 arguments
[10:08] <playya_> os.popen( program )
[10:08] <playya_> <open file ' /usr/bin/gedit', mode 'r' at 0x7fa18caf6d50>
[10:09] <skotti_> I get "No spawning" as message.
[10:09] <skotti_> And then it waits for me to close gedit
[10:11] <hagisbasheruk> ogra, you might want to put a not on the webpage about after you install the linux-backports-modules from /deb/ folder , after you do an update before you reboot , sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-intrepid-generic ,mabey you could word it better than me and i hope you understand what i mean
[10:11] <hagisbasheruk> good morning everyone
[10:11] <hagisbasheruk> not=note P
[10:13] <hagisbasheruk> if you reboot without doing so you won't have the linux-backport-modules-2.6.27-9-generic so you lose wifi
[10:13] <hagisbasheruk> as kernel gets updated
[10:14] <skotti_> playya_: Tricky thing, i have to give up on that for now. Anyway, thanks for your help, i appreciate that very much.
[10:58] <Alastair> the current kernel version is 2.6.27-10
[10:59] <Alastair> but the backports version in the repos is older
[10:59] <Alastair> so if you update you loose wifi anyway...
[11:03] <hagisbasheruk> i have2.6.27-9-generic 
[11:05] <hagisbasheruk> says my system is upto date
[11:05] <hagisbasheruk> ohh distro upgrade went wrong , no intel driver for xorg
[11:06] <hagisbasheruk> sso had to redo everything
[11:08] <hagisbasheruk> oh and good morning Alastair playya_ skotti_ cprov and everyone else :)
[11:08] <cprov> hagisbasheruk: morning.
[11:08] <skotti_> Hi hagisbasheruk
[11:09] <skotti_> playya_: Trivial solution to my popen-problem: assign the object.
[11:09] <skotti_> f_obj = os.popen( somefile )
[11:10] <playya_> good idea
[11:10] <playya_> i only tested it in the python shell
[11:10] <playya_> hi hagisbasheruk 
[11:10] <hagisbasheruk> :)
[11:15] <hagisbasheruk> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S01E19 - Love Letters - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2008/12/03/s01e19-love-letters/
[11:15] <hagisbasheruk> podcast time :)
[11:17] <Alastair> mornin...
[11:17] <Alastair> hagisbasheruk, maybe it depends on which update server are you using...
[11:17] <Alastair> i'm using the main server
[11:17] <Alastair> and the latest kernel is 27-10 :D
[11:17] <hagisbasheruk> ahh using uk servers here
[11:19] <Alastair> lol
[11:19] <Alastair> at last i feel good about my quad :D
[11:19] <hagisbasheruk> you got a quad bike :P
[11:19] <Alastair> ppl say gta4 is making very good use
[11:19] <Alastair> (of the extra cores) xD
[11:20] <hagisbasheruk> good , what video card/s u using
[11:20] <Alastair> currently 7950GT :(
[11:20] <hagisbasheruk> 8600GT here
[11:21] <Alastair> i had 3870 x2
[11:22] <Alastair> now i'm considering 9800gtx+ or 4850...
[11:22] <Alastair> i should've tested the ati with ubuntu b4 i sold it :/
[11:22] <hagisbasheruk> i am never upgrading the pc now i have given it to the misses
[11:26] <Alastair> :s
[11:26] <Alastair> dunno... i'll never give up the big screen... ^^
[11:26] <Alastair> nor the processing power..
[11:26] <Alastair> the notebook is for outside use only :D
[11:29] <hagisbasheruk> brb
[11:29] <Alastair> aw
[11:29] <Alastair> love my ISP xD
[11:29] <Alastair> the gigabit connection rulez
[11:32] <hagisbasheruk> ??
[11:33] <Alastair> 51MB/s download
[11:33] <Alastair> from the local NAS
[11:34] <Alastair> average speed 26,95 :p
[11:35] <hagisbasheruk> whall !!
[11:36] <Alastair> 7.04GB in under 3 minutes
[11:37] <hagisbasheruk> i have 16 meg broad band , average 1.7Kb/s
[11:37] <hagisbasheruk> Mb/s
[11:37] <hagisbasheruk> even
[11:37] <Alastair> yea, but wait for the shocker - i'm paying for thes goodness only 12.5 euro xD
[11:38] <hagisbasheruk> can i get your isp here in uk :)
[11:39] <Alastair> it is a branch of some international organisation afaik....maybe they have something in uk, dunno
[11:39] <hagisbasheruk> how long have you had that type of speed ?
[11:40] <Alastair> but the reason i'm getting such speeds is that both me and their NAS are connected to the same backbone fiber channel...
[11:40] <Alastair> most of the users ain't that lucky
[11:40] <hagisbasheruk> :)
[11:41] <Alastair> lol
[11:41] <Alastair> the second image averaged at 49MB/s xD
[11:42] <hagisbasheruk> you should setup an ubuntu mirror :P
[11:43] <Alastair> we already have one i think... and 2 more in bulgaria
[11:44] <Alastair> idk if they completed it tho...
[11:53] <Alastair> nah... they made debian and slack mirrors, the ubuntu one was cancelled
[11:54] <hagisbasheruk> back la8 got stuff to do now
[13:15] <NCommander> morning ogra 
[13:16] <ogra> hey NCommander 
[13:16] <NCommander> ogra, how goes it?
[13:17] <ogra> cursing rpm 
[13:17] <ogra> the autofoo stuff is a total mess
[13:18] <NCommander> :-)
[13:18] <NCommander> MID on x86/amd64 should be usable AFAIK
[13:18] <NCommander> THere are a still a few hildon specific things broken (on my todo list of things to look over)
[13:19] <NCommander> but it should just work I hope
[13:19] <ogra> cool
[13:19] <NCommander> We need to modify casper on mid however to work without an Ubuntu user :-)
[13:19] <ogra> uh, why ? 
[13:19] <ogra> the settings package should create one 
[13:21] <NCommander> If you use ubiquity to install, you don't get one
[13:21] <NCommander> I filed a bug about it
[17:38] <crevette> hello
[17:38] <crevette> superm1: hey, are you interested in sponsoring an upload of obex-data-server 0.4.2 ?
[17:41] <superm1> crevette, for jaunty?
[17:41] <crevette> superm1: yep, sorry
[17:41] <superm1> crevette, have you tested to make sure that it still works with the rest of the bluez stuff (at least the functional stuff) already?
[17:41] <crevette> superm1: I use it for weeks, it solvd the various we add with gnome-user-share
[17:41] <crevette> had
[17:43] <superm1> crevette, ah very good.  sure i can sponsor it then. do you have it published somewhere for me to grab?
[17:48] <crevette> superm1: I'm trying to find a place and a way to host it because gvfs in jaunty seems broken for me
[17:48] <superm1> crevette, PPA perhaps?
[17:48] <crevette> I can host any file ?
[17:49] <superm1> well it's a source package that gets sponsored, and even get a free test build so i dont have to run one here :)
[17:49] <crevette> superm1: https://edge.launchpad.net/~bmillemathias/+archive
[17:51] <crevette> let me rebuild it for jaunty
[17:51] <crevette> as launchpad permit that
[20:10] <superm1> crevette, i tried to build in my jaunty sbuild (amd64): http://pastebin.com/f2ab7c8a6
[20:11] <superm1> so you'll need to sort out what's going on there
[20:11] <crevette> okay
[20:11] <crevette> it seems the package name has changed
[20:12] <crevette> thanks for hte feedback, I was busy until now
[20:12] <crevette> I was to push my package to ppa to test the build (I didn't build it for jaunty yet)
[20:31] <crevette> superm1: I saw that debian/ changes was now handled in bzr, should I do something to commit files ?
[20:32] <crevette> or provide you a patch ?
[20:35] <superm1> oh yeah i forgot that we moved it to bzr.  yeah you should put together a bzr branch to merge or commit to yourself.
[20:35] <superm1> i believe it's owned by ubuntu-dev
[20:41] <crevette> yep it is
[20:46] <crevette> superm1: I don't understand why the dput server (don't know how it is called) denies me to upload my package stating intrepid has already such package but my package is for jaunty ...
[20:47] <crevette> this why I still not have uploaded it
[20:47] <crevette> +is
[23:44]  * Hobbsee hopes crevette is *not* a MOTU
[23:45] <Hobbsee> oh good.  He isn't :)
[23:45]  * Hobbsee sends him an email to answer the question
[23:46] <persia> Hobbsee, ?
[23:47] <Hobbsee> persia: the last question above
[23:47]  * persia is still over a week behind on backscroll, and peeks ahead
[23:48] <Hobbsee> persia: don't worry :)
[23:49] <persia> Hobbsee, probably bluetooth-team PPA
[23:49] <Hobbsee> persia: must be.  There's nowhere else he could dput to, that it would work, i think
[23:50] <persia> Well, own-PPA, but yeah.