[00:00] hi seele [00:00] I have no idea what time it is [00:04] 22:03 for you I imagine [00:04] I'm pretty sure it's not, it's all bright sunshine around here [00:05] oh.. whoops, wrong way [00:05] 16:03 lol [00:07] ok, watch set, hoping that's right [00:07] seele: hmm, what day is it? [00:10] Riddell: Wednesday Dec 3 2008 [00:10] sorted, thanks [00:10] glad to know your head is on properly [00:11] I'm in a foreign continent and my servers are down, I'm quite out of place [00:12] fortunatly this university doesn't seem to mind people wandering in and using their computers, I wonder if they'll let me sleep here tonight [00:12] of course it only goes down when youre off in a foreign land [00:12] always the way [00:12] sleep in a computer lab? i dont see why not [00:12] everyone should sleep in a computer lab at least once [00:12] it'll take me back to my uni days [00:13] * seele has more uni days coming up [00:13] i wonder if it will bring back memories or just make me feel old [00:16] you'll soon be boozing until the early hours before finnishing assignments in one night [00:19] i wasn't boozing every night at uni! [00:21] you started boozing in the daytime?! [00:22] because i was studying at night! [00:23] ok, so i wasnt studying [00:24] doing KDE stuff? [00:25] no.. this is pre-kde [00:25] back in the dark days... [00:25] actually.. i might have even been using gnome at the time, hah [00:25] eek! [00:25] pre kde 2.0, come on and give me a break [00:26] i was probably in a terminal most of the time if i wasnt in the lab for photoshop or burning illegal mp3s on 1x burners [00:26] what a rebel [00:27] back then it was so new it wasn't illegal [00:27] I'm sure you changed to oggs as soon as you knew you were infringing on the MP3 patent licence [00:28] haha [00:28] this was before the lab had a combination lock and a no-eating policy [00:29] i knew better than to balance an open box of pizza on a computer case -- that's just asking for trouble [00:29] * seele reminisces [00:29] even after the combination lock, it wasn't a problem [00:29] hmm [00:30] * seele stops before she starts talking about the trouble she caused while in uni [00:30] why oh why does this country not use standard mobile phones [00:31] it's strange your phone wont work here. youre probably the first european i know to have that problem [00:31] you should be able to piggyback on someone's gsm network [00:31] I specifically borrored this overly-fancy phone so it should work here [00:32] and it doesn't? [00:32] nope [00:32] hah [00:32] Riddell: how many ways does it flip open? [00:33] none, though it swivels round [00:33] I wonder if it's worth buying a phone while I'm here [00:33] does it have a qwerty keyboard for fancy sms? [00:33] no [00:33] swivel-y || flips open in 2 or more ways = fancy [00:33] it's slow and not very usable [00:34] there are probably some cheap pay-as-you-go phones, although it probably isn't worth it. most people's phones should work [00:34] unless you go wandering off by yourself, but if you find yourself in a ditch, a ringing phone wont save you [00:35] I do plan some wandering week after next [00:38] Riddell: people might have spare handsets, which you can use your sim in [00:38] is there an old gsm network over there? [00:39] no, just one that uses different frequencies from the rest of the world [00:39] 60s and sunny for the next 10 days, how nice [00:39] i wont miss the 30s and 40s with icy rain that DC will have [00:40] I hear they even still use the primitive Farenheight temperature scale :) [00:40] Hobbsee: you need a multi-ban phone for it to work over here [00:40] seele: which bands? [00:40] i knew the 3g network was different to the rest of the world [00:40] uhm.. i'd have to look up my phone specs to answer that one [00:41] Riddell: one time i gave an int'l friend my temp in C and he thought i was talking in F [00:41] besides.. when in Rome :P [00:46] Hobbsee: US is 850 and 1900 MHz and International is 900 and 1800 MHz [00:47] ahhh [00:53] apachelogger: POkE!! [00:54] seele: I won't miss our foot of snow either :) [00:54] * DaSkreech pokes nixternal as well [00:54] no poking...I am getting ready to eat! [00:54] * Hobbsee steals nixternal's food, and runs away to the land of gnome. [00:54] NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! [00:55] nixternal->eat(); [00:55] nixternal: you definitely have worse weather than me :) [00:55] Isn't nixternal in the land of footsie ? [00:55] nixternal: i have to bring a large suitcase just so i can pack my wool coat for traveling in DC [00:55] DaSkreech: ? [00:55] DaSkreech: yes, but i'm further in it, presumably :P [00:55] seele: He's a Gnome :) [00:56] Hobbsee: You have a passport he just has a visitors permit :) [00:56] haha [00:56] nixternal: are you coming to Camp? [00:56] You too apachelogger [00:56] * DaSkreech isn't inviting Hobbsee [00:57] too far to swim [00:57] :P [00:57] * Hobbsee thwaps DaSkreech [00:58] You wanna come you know it :-P [00:58] * DaSkreech whispers to Hobbsee "Bring nixternal's grub" [00:58] heh [01:01] qt4-x11 takes forever to do a source debuild [01:07] is anyone having problems using qt4 designer in intrepid? [01:08] Ramblurr: what kind of problem? [01:08] Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries [01:08] that error ^ [01:09] oooooh Hobbsee What do you think of Gnome 3.0 ? [01:09] DaSkreech: so far, i've been avoiding it [01:09] DaSkreech: it seems they're going to do kde4-like things, but beyond that, i've nt been watching [01:10] Ramblurr: do you have anything that might also include it's own set of Qt libs? [01:10] *any piece of software installed [01:10] my kde trunk checkout? but that's installed in a separate dir [01:10] it could be that designer is getting confused about which Qt to use [01:10] Hobbsee: What KDE4 like things? [01:10] DaSkreech: i think they're going to play around with the plasma-equivalent stuff [01:11] as in, the desktop, the panels, etc. [01:11] but i've not looked in close detail [01:11] Hmm I guess I've missed that discussion [01:11] THey are going to rewrite the desktop? [01:11] That doesn't seem Gnome like or GTK like [01:12] apachelogger: didn't there used to be a problem that Qt would sometimes use cached libs of a different version for pure Qt apps? [01:12] DaSkreech: KDE will have had 2 years head start by then too :P [01:13] JontheEchidna: Doesn't matter who came first :) [01:13] they were looking at playing around with bits of it [01:13] The important part is Microsoft not saying Look We did this!! [01:13] * Hobbsee didn't watch it very carefully [01:13] which they are already doing with Windows 7 [01:13] it looks almost exactly like KDE4 [01:13] Actually it looks more like Kicker with transparency turned on [01:13] lol [01:14] Hobbsee: Where did you glance this? [01:14] JontheEchidna: I'm talking about the structure of having plasmoids do all the work with layers of plasmoids taht can be amanipulaed [01:14] manipulated [01:14] * DaSkreech pokes nixternal with the Pointy Stick of Noticeme!!! [01:14] yeah, they did totally rip that off [01:15] DaSkreech: er, planet ubuntu a while ago, iirc. [01:16] bah i don't wanna troll through that :-( Do you remember who said it? I can troll their blog [01:18] jono linked to it in one of his blogs [01:18] ok [01:18] Did Wade just post an empty blog? [01:19] JontheEchidna: im not sure how my qt-copy install could be interferring with qtdesigner [01:19] i've got a separate bashrc i use when i want to use qt-copy/kde trunk [01:22] DaSkreech: vincent? [01:22] unz or something? [01:22] Hmm ok [01:22] * DaSkreech trolls twice [01:23] Hmm Gwenview is pretty nice with nepomuk [01:23] And digikam is pretty nice with marble [01:23] nooooow [01:24] If Digikam would get nepomuked.... [01:28] anybody up for testing KDE 4.1.80 for Intrepid? [01:28] If I can get one or two more people to install the packages I can copy them over to the release PPA [01:29] Just report any dpkg failures if you run into them [01:30] What's the rub? [01:30] * stdin points JontheEchidna to #kubuntu-testers [01:30] will it install alongside KDE 4.1.? [01:30] DaSkreech: nope [01:31] From my testing though that's not much of a problem ;-) [01:31] kde 4.2 rocks [01:31] ummm [01:33] how long to install? === Riddell is now known as probablyNotRidde === probablyNotRidde is now known as WasRiddell === WasRiddell is now known as Riddell [02:13] O_o [02:14] Panels are being proposed to be hard coded in Gnome 3? [03:00] * DaSkreech hops on Hobbsee [03:00] * Hobbsee is hopped on [03:00] * Hobbsee throws DaSkreech in the pool [03:01] wheeee [04:21] oh hai [04:25] i have problems with upgrade to kde 4.2 beta 1 [04:25] the oxygen-icons package [04:25] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.1.80-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack): [04:25] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/object-order-front.png', which is also in package koffice-data-kde4 [04:26] poke JontheEchidna [05:32] Ive also got an issue with the upgrade: http://paste.ubuntu.com/80177/ [05:32] * jussi01 pokes JontheEchidna and stdin and NCommander and anyone else interested [05:33] jussi01, what does dpkg --configure -a say? [05:33] What's the problem? [05:33] dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kdelibs5-dev: [05:33] kdelibs5-dev depends on pkg-kde-tools; however: [05:33] Package pkg-kde-tools is not installed. [05:33] dpkg: error processing kdelibs5-dev (--configure): [05:33] dependency problems - leaving unconfigured [05:33] Errors were encountered while processing: [05:33] kdelibs5-dev [05:33] gah [05:34] that was a little bigger than I thought [05:34] looks like apt-get install -f will fix though [05:34] Ok [05:35] not quite [05:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/80178/ [05:36] DaSkreech: I can force that somehow though? [05:41] now, the moment of truth... [05:42] jussi01: Sorry you got it? [05:42] DaSkreech: yeah, just did: sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/pkg-kde-tools_0.2ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb [05:43] ok, gonna log out now and try it out [05:44] ok [05:44] jussi01: Don't forget Ctrl+E [06:05] DaSkreech: NCommander its borked. doesnt log in [06:05] just returns to the login screen [06:05] what? [06:05] I dunno what's wrong specifically [06:05] jussi01_: What does a terminal login say? [06:06] I got a feeling its cause a few packages were held back for some reason [06:06] jussi01_: LOL :-) [06:06] jussi01_: try instaling them [06:08] DaSkreech: hehe, why are they held back at a dist upgrade? [06:09] * jussi01_ asks forgiveness for stupidity, as he is on morphine atm [06:09] :D [06:09] I don't know I had gwenview be held back I did a normal install of it and it installed it fine and went on to greatness [06:10] DaSkreech: ok, Ill play around and see === glade88_ is now known as glade88 [06:58] if I have nightly, is it equiv to having the beta? [06:58] No [07:00] DaSkreech: and, will I lose 4.1.3 after upgrading to 4.2 beta 1 ? [07:00] Yes [07:00] * glade88 takes the chance.. upgrades to 4.2 beta 1 [07:03] :-) [07:23] DaSkreech: it took a bit, but sorted and running now, though I still get some bluetooth crash [07:25] ok [07:25] THIS IS LOVELY :D [07:25] ha ha :) [07:25] Open Kmail [07:26] why? [07:32] Cause it's pretty :) [07:32] Hmm I should ook at Gwenview [07:52] hi guys . . . [07:53] really well done once again with 4.2.... serious... it's getting more and more people going to it, and all are so impressed :) [07:53] just one (silly) question.... which is latest version, neon, or kubuntu-experimental, for 4.2 beta? [07:54] i imagine its neon, at its nightly cvs commits......... and its also installed separatelt to 4.1... [08:48] What is up with kdegames etc.? That was build successfully yesterday (according to LP), but is still not in the archives. [08:48] kdepim was build much later and is. [09:22] * hunger can not report bugs in LP at this time since he can not access kwallet since KDE 4.2 is broken:-( [09:23] kjots tries to overwrite a icon also in kmail, kmouth tries to overwrite a icon also in kde-icons-mono. [09:25] And kde 4.2 does not start up properly at all:-( kdeinit seems to crash. [09:26] * hunger even deleted .kde*, did not help. [09:49] hunger: i HAVE IT WORKING AFTER SIMILAR ISSUES [09:49] oh crap [09:49] stupid caps [09:51] jussi01: =) [09:51] hunger: I just force-all 'ed those packages [09:55] jussi01: Does kde start for you? [09:56] Do you have all the new packages? Or is kdegames etc. stlill old? [10:01] hunger: I had to also install kubuntu-desktop again to get it to start [10:02] and manually install all the packages it held back [10:07] hunger: but yeah, it starts and runs nicely [10:08] Hmmm... where is the current kate? [10:09] hunger: kdesdk [10:10] kdesdk is still at version 4.1.2:-( [10:11] It was build yesterday, but I still can't see it on archive.ubuntu.com:-( [10:13] hey lool [10:13] 1213.05 < piquadrat> Hi. Kopete in kubuntu's KDE 4.2 Beta1 builds has the same dependancy problem as in kde-neon: it depends on libmsn, which is not packaged by ubuntu. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/project-neon/+bug/301333 [10:13] Ubuntu bug 301333 in project-neon "Kopete 4.2 needs libmsn" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [10:14] "If you come across any issue which may be packaging related, it is recommended that you join the Kubuntu IRC channel and query those in the channel for assistance." [10:14] since i have no need for assistance, i thought i just come here [10:14] quote: [10:14] Unpacking pkg-kde-tools (from .../pkg-kde-tools_0.2ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb) ... [10:14] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/pkg-kde-tools_0.2ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack): [10:14] trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/findfiles', which is also in package kdesdk-scripts [10:14] Errors were encountered while processing: [10:14] /var/cache/apt/archives/pkg-kde-tools_0.2ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb [10:14] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [10:14] when upgrading to 4.2 [10:15] jpetso: Please use a pastebin for such lengthy cut and paste things. [10:15] k [10:16] kdesdk-scripts is shown to be auto-removable, it just wasn't removed because the package didn't indicate a conflict === santiago-pgsql is now known as Guest74266 === Guest74266 is now known as santiago-ve === doko_ is now known as doko === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde === mornfall1 is now known as mornfall [13:04] nixternal: Sure, I'm on the same flight as ivoks; we'll see you there. [13:06] nixternal: We have to pass through the US migration stuff, so the 30 minutes shouldn't be a problem. [13:38] hey nixternal [13:56] hmm, no Ubuntu, I notice -> http://www.ocert.org/team_and_members.html === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [14:15] Sime: ping [14:20] * JontheEchidna good mornings rgreening [14:20] monring [14:20] rgreening did you see that greg-g will be joining us on our supershuttle [14:20] JontheEchidna: Morning! === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse__ === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [14:21] Any ideas where the kde 4.2 debs went to? They are not yet on archive.ubuntu.com, even though they were build successfully yesterday. [14:21] * JontheEchidna shurgs [14:21] aren't they on the ppa? [14:21] Some showed up, others did not. [14:21] lol, shurgs [14:21] jjesse: There are some for jaunty. [14:21] ah [14:22] ignore me i don't know what i'm talking about :) [14:22] JontheEchidna: Any idea who I can ask where those debs went? [14:22] updating intrepid kde [14:22] nope [14:22] what arch? [14:23] me? i386 [14:23] was directed at hunger [14:23] ;-) [14:23] * jjesse hides in the corner and shuts up [14:23] JontheEchidna: x86. [14:23] hmm [14:24] I really don't know why you aren't seeing updates [14:24] JontheEchidna: LP said it was build successfully. [14:24] I do see kdepim, kdeutils and some more (even kdenetwork which was delayed), but not kdegames, kdegraphics, etc. [14:25] are you sure they are not being held back? [14:25] kdegames and kdegraphics both install new packages this time around [14:25] (new games, lib transition for graphics) [14:25] JontheEchidna: I search kdegames in aptitude [14:25] sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [14:25] JontheEchidna: pressing "v" gives me 4:4.1.3-1ubuntu1 as only available version. [14:25] jjesse: yeah. np [14:26] morning JontheEchidna [14:26] JontheEchidna: do you know how to use KProcess in pyKDE4? [14:26] apt-get -u dist-upgrade says nothing to upgrade. [14:26] JontheEchidna: I can't seem to make it work [14:26] * JontheEchidna has never used kprocess [14:27] JontheEchidna: I am trying to run a system command from within the python program, and was going to use KProcess... [14:28] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdegames/ does not have any 4.1.80 debs either (afaics). [14:28] rgreening: take a look at gdebi-kde, it re-launches itself if it's not root [14:28] If they have new stuff, maybe they got blocked by the archive admins? [14:29] * JontheEchidna doesn't know [14:30] * hunger asked in ubuntu-devel. [14:31] !new [14:31] Sorry, I don't know anything about new [14:31] !newqueue [14:31] The queue of packages awaiting approval to enter the archive and scheduled for build (also known as the NEW queue) is at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+queue [14:32] rgreening: Does os.system() not do what you need? [14:33] or popen if you need output [14:42] ScottK-laptop, stdin: I think I may need to go that route. I was thinking on KProcess as it seemed the correct way to go, but now it just seems overkill. [14:43] python has some nice built-in functionality for it. including the commands module [14:44] stdin: basically, I need to run 'kdesudo commandstring' and read the results back (the output is text and to stdout I believe) [14:45] import commands; output = commands.getoutput("kdesudo command") [14:45] or use commands.getstatusoutput(...) to get a tuple of (return_value, output) [14:47] ok just updated to the kde packages for intrpied in experimental and i have a read x in the taskbar "Unable to load widget: quickaccess [14:49] omg stdin, that's exactly what I need [14:50] I tend to use built-in tools if I can, then start looking to 3rd party tools [14:50] stdin: Good one. That's the one I was thinking of and couldn't remember. [14:51] hey ScottK [14:53] Heya NCommander. [14:54] So I built kde4libs on 266MHz/32MB ARM board .. [14:54] ;.; [14:54] ow [14:54] how did that go? [14:54] 8 hours with distcc [14:54] That's not so bad. [14:54] yeah [14:55] Now lets see if I can get bindings to build [14:55] Anyone else able to log in to the Ubuntu wiki with Konqueror? [14:55] Konqueror has issues with openID AFAIK ... [14:56] It worked before. [14:56] can try in just a minute [14:56] works here [14:57] took a few seconds to do it, but it worked [14:57] OK. Well I'll fiddle around then and see if I can fix it. [14:59] NCommander: Make you you have the current python-qt4 too. It'll die without that. [14:59] nice :-P [14:59] KDE is just pure compile evil, isn't it [14:59] There's a pending change in bzr to bump the version depends. [14:59] NCommander: Not normally. [15:00] anyone using the 4.1.80 debs? [15:01] NCommander: We got sort of the perfect storm this time of trying to transition from 4.1 to 4.2 alpha late, so not getting it completed before starting on the beta, a new arch to deal with, and the mono stack transition all at the same time. [15:01] cbr: I have them installed... can't really call it using yet. [15:02] ScottK point taken [15:02] NCommander: I've done an entire KDE3 release single handed (3.5.10) and in comparison, KDE4 is pure joy to build. [15:02] cbr: They are not complete yet though. Some are still stuck in the archive. [15:02] I've done a Xfce one [15:02] * NCommander sighs, and just thinks of things on his todo list [15:03] * ScottK-laptop is trying to avoid that. [15:04] * JontheEchidna merged konversation once [15:04] kubotu: chat about cmake [15:04] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help chat' [15:04] jpds: +1 630 445 3860 <- my cell number - should I go ahead and reserve us a cab thing? [15:04] kubotu: chat about for cmake [15:04] for cmake that is [15:04] wasabi NCommander [15:04] yay, wasba! [15:05] *washabi [15:08] hunger: no blowing up of computer? [15:10] cbr: No more KDE for me:-( [15:10] cbr: Computer is fine... as long as you can call running gnome fine... [15:11] * hunger is waiting for *all* the updated debs to get into the archive before trying to switch back to kde. [15:11] Currently I am seeing a unholy communion of kde 4.1.80, kde 4.1.3 and kde 4.1.2 debs installed:-| [15:12] NCommander: Also, to add to the perfect storm, Riddell is not available to deal with archive stuff for us quickly, so that made this one harder too. [15:13] * hunger waits for somebody to finally push the rest of kde 4.2 beta debs for jaunty through the new queue:-( [15:13] Wow [15:13] We have a talent to break things [15:19] Thanks very much for 4.2 beta 1 for Intrepid guys! [15:19] Much appreciated [15:19] agreed it works great on my dell mini :) [15:19] old... (;) [15:20] jjesse, I'm getting one next week to whack Kubuntu on - so great [15:20] * Tm_T hugs her trunk <3 [15:20] pffft ;-) [15:21] * hunger grumbles that he should not have updated to jaunty... I am missing out on all the new stuff now:-| [16:02] ScottK: thank you so much [16:03] mhb: Did that work? [16:04] ryanakca: you need to click on a link inside the mail that tells you about the expiration ( it baffles me why it's not easily accessible from LP). Thank ScottK for the information. [16:04] ScottK: it did [16:04] mhb: Great. [16:05] mhb: I know you got quite a bit frustrated/burnt out on Kubuntu earlier in the year. I have valued your contribution and hope you'll be back .... [16:05] great indeed, thanks again! [16:06] ScottK: I might do something again... but I guess I'll think about something that would be fun for me, in order to avoid frustration. [16:07] mhb: Great. That sounds like a good plan. [16:07] mhb: when you figure out that something, that helps to avoid frustration, please teach me :) [16:08] I guess 'making fun of nixternal' wouldn't work so well for you? [16:08] that's what keeps me involved in kubuntu [16:08] Making fun of nixternal? [16:09] yup [16:09] same here [16:09] Excellent. [16:10] mhb: you want a good project to work on, but I am sure it would be frustrating....create an open source mail client that works well with Exchange servers [16:11] that would be great [16:11] nixternal: I though akonadi did already work with exchange? Dunno how well... but that would basically enable all future kde clients. [16:11] nixternal: well, I can only speak for my own experience, but it seems avoiding bad decisions does me a world of good [16:11] :o) [16:12] haha, so true [16:12] hunger: ya, it is supposed to get better [16:12] actually, Evolution has worked well with the OWA garbage, but not true Exchange/MAPI support [16:15] With openchange in the archive, it ought to actually be reasonably doable. [16:17] * ScottK is updating rsibreak to the 0.9 final. [16:18] ScottK: did anyone ever get to kdenlive? [16:20] * hunger would love to see kdevelop in a kde4 version, too. [16:20] JontheEchidna: Not yet. Someone who understands something about ffmpeg needs to update mlt and mlt++ first. [16:20] JontheEchidna: I asked jdong to look into it and he said he would, but he's not in a rush. [16:21] * JontheEchidna works on ktorrent then [16:21] JontheEchidna: If you're feeling adventurous, let me know if you need sponsoring. [16:30] * JontheEchidna remembers he needs to test a patch from Qt-copy that should be included in our packages [16:31] apachelogger, heya [16:32] um, i have a problem when trying to upgrade to kde 4.2 [16:32] it seems kde-icons-oxygen package is not 4.2 yet.. [16:34] DreadKnight: Intrepid or Jaunty? [16:34] intrepid [16:35] it's at 4.2 here [16:35] hmm seems to be there [16:50] bah [16:50] need to fricking remove a package and it keeps bragging about dependencies [16:50] koffice-data-kde4 causes problems for me [16:51] has some icons the oxygen package can't overwrite [16:53] dpkg --force-all -i oxygen.deb [16:55] dpkg --force-all -i kde-icons-oxygen.deb but doesn't cuts it even without .deb [16:58] you are doing it in /var/cache/blah right? [16:58] * hunger is still waiting for somebody to push the jaunty kde 4.2 updates through the new queue. [16:59] mrr, brb,,, [17:02] ScottK, any ideas on what voodoo I need to do to get kde4bindings to build at all? [17:07] NCommander: What arch? [17:07] amd64 [17:07] 4.1.80 built amd64. [17:07] Not in a recent chroot it seems [17:08] NCommander: Built on a buildd 3 days ago. [17:09] I'm aware, but I keep getting build failures [17:09] I'm doing pbuilder update/pbuilder build [17:09] But I think something changed to break something [17:09]