[00:00] <Riddell> hi seele
[00:00] <Riddell> I have no idea what time it is
[00:04] <seele> 22:03 for you I imagine
[00:04] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure it's not, it's all bright sunshine around here
[00:05] <seele> oh.. whoops, wrong way
[00:05] <seele> 16:03 lol
[00:07] <Riddell> ok, watch set, hoping that's right
[00:07] <Riddell> seele: hmm, what day is it?
[00:10] <seele> Riddell: Wednesday Dec 3 2008
[00:10] <Riddell> sorted, thanks
[00:10] <seele> glad to know your head is on properly
[00:11] <Riddell> I'm in a foreign continent and my servers are down, I'm quite out of place
[00:12] <Riddell> fortunatly this university doesn't seem to mind people wandering in and using their computers, I wonder if they'll let me sleep here tonight
[00:12] <seele> of course it only goes down when youre off in a foreign land
[00:12] <Riddell> always the way
[00:12] <seele> sleep in a computer lab?  i dont see why not
[00:12] <seele> everyone should sleep in a computer lab at least once
[00:12] <Riddell> it'll take me back to my uni days
[00:13]  * seele has more uni days coming up
[00:13] <seele> i wonder if it will bring back memories or just make me feel old
[00:16] <Riddell> you'll soon be boozing until the early hours before finnishing assignments in one night
[00:19] <seele> i wasn't boozing every night at uni!
[00:21] <Riddell> you started boozing in the daytime?!
[00:22] <seele> because i was studying at night!
[00:23] <seele> ok, so i wasnt studying
[00:24] <Riddell> doing KDE stuff?
[00:25] <seele> no.. this is pre-kde
[00:25] <Riddell> back in the dark days...
[00:25] <seele> actually.. i might have even been using gnome at the time, hah
[00:25] <Riddell> eek!
[00:25] <seele> pre kde 2.0, come on and give me a break
[00:26] <seele> i was probably in a terminal most of the time if i wasnt in the lab for photoshop or burning illegal mp3s on 1x burners
[00:26] <Riddell> what a rebel
[00:27] <seele> back then it was so new it wasn't illegal
[00:27] <Riddell> I'm sure you changed to oggs as soon as you knew you were infringing on the MP3 patent licence
[00:28] <seele> haha
[00:28] <seele> this was before the lab had a combination lock and a no-eating policy
[00:29] <seele> i knew better than to balance an open box of pizza on a computer case -- that's just asking for trouble
[00:29]  * seele reminisces
[00:29] <seele> even after the combination lock, it wasn't a problem
[00:29] <seele> hmm
[00:30]  * seele stops before she starts talking about the trouble she caused while in uni
[00:30] <Riddell> why oh why does this country not use standard mobile phones
[00:31] <seele> it's strange your phone wont work here.  youre probably the first european i know to have that problem
[00:31] <seele> you should be able to piggyback on someone's gsm network
[00:31] <Riddell> I specifically borrored this overly-fancy phone so it should work here
[00:32] <seele> and it doesn't?
[00:32] <Riddell> nope
[00:32] <seele> hah
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: how many ways does it flip open?
[00:33] <Riddell> none, though it swivels round
[00:33] <Riddell> I wonder if it's worth buying a phone while I'm here
[00:33] <seele> does it have a qwerty keyboard for fancy sms?
[00:33] <Riddell> no
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> swivel-y || flips open in 2 or more ways = fancy
[00:33] <Riddell> it's slow and not very usable
[00:34] <seele> there are probably some cheap pay-as-you-go phones, although it probably isn't worth it.  most people's phones should work
[00:34] <seele> unless you go wandering off by yourself, but if you find yourself in a ditch, a ringing phone wont save you
[00:35] <Riddell> I do plan some wandering week after next
[00:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: people might have spare handsets, which you can use your sim in
[00:38] <Hobbsee> is there an old gsm network over there?
[00:39] <Riddell> no, just one that uses different frequencies from the rest of the world
[00:39] <seele> 60s and sunny for the next 10 days, how nice
[00:39] <seele> i wont miss the 30s and 40s with icy rain that DC will have
[00:40] <Riddell> I hear they even still use the primitive Farenheight temperature scale :)
[00:40] <seele> Hobbsee: you need a multi-ban phone for it to work over here
[00:40] <Hobbsee> seele: which bands?
[00:40] <Hobbsee> i knew the 3g network was different to the rest of the world
[00:40] <seele> uhm.. i'd have to look up my phone specs to answer that one
[00:41] <seele> Riddell: one time i gave an int'l friend my temp in C and he thought i was talking in F
[00:41] <seele> besides.. when in Rome :P
[00:46] <seele> Hobbsee: US is 850 and 1900 MHz and International is 900 and 1800 MHz
[00:47] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[00:53] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: POkE!!
[00:54] <nixternal> seele: I won't miss our foot of snow either :)
[00:54]  * DaSkreech pokes nixternal as well
[00:54] <nixternal> no poking...I am getting ready to eat!
[00:54]  * Hobbsee steals nixternal's food, and runs away to the land of gnome.
[00:54] <nixternal> NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:55] <nixternal> nixternal->eat();
[00:55] <seele> nixternal: you definitely have worse weather than me :)
[00:55] <DaSkreech> Isn't nixternal in the land of footsie ?
[00:55] <seele> nixternal: i have to bring a large suitcase just so i can pack my wool coat for traveling in DC
[00:55] <seele> DaSkreech: ?
[00:55] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yes, but i'm further in it, presumably :P
[00:55] <DaSkreech> seele: He's a Gnome :)
[00:56] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: You have a passport he just has a visitors permit :)
[00:56] <Hobbsee> haha
[00:56] <DaSkreech> nixternal: are you coming to Camp?
[00:56] <DaSkreech> You too apachelogger
[00:56]  * DaSkreech isn't inviting Hobbsee
[00:57] <DaSkreech> too far to swim
[00:57] <Hobbsee> :P
[00:57]  * Hobbsee thwaps DaSkreech
[00:58] <DaSkreech> You wanna come you know it :-P
[00:58]  * DaSkreech whispers to Hobbsee "Bring nixternal's grub"
[00:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> qt4-x11 takes forever to do a source debuild
[01:07] <Ramblurr> is anyone having problems using qt4 designer in intrepid?
[01:08] <nixternal> Ramblurr: what kind of problem?
[01:08] <Ramblurr> Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries
[01:08] <Ramblurr> that error ^
[01:09] <DaSkreech> oooooh Hobbsee What do you think of Gnome 3.0 ?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: so far, i've been avoiding it
[01:09] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it seems they're going to do kde4-like things, but beyond that, i've nt been watching
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> Ramblurr: do you have anything that might also include it's own set of Qt libs?
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> *any piece of software installed
[01:10] <Ramblurr> my kde trunk checkout? but that's installed in a separate dir
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> it could be that designer is getting confused about which Qt to use
[01:10] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: What KDE4 like things?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i think they're going to play around with the plasma-equivalent stuff
[01:11] <Hobbsee> as in, the desktop, the panels, etc.
[01:11] <Hobbsee> but i've not looked in close detail
[01:11] <DaSkreech> Hmm I guess I've missed that discussion
[01:11] <DaSkreech> THey are going to rewrite the desktop?
[01:11] <DaSkreech> That doesn't seem Gnome like or GTK like
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: didn't there used to be a problem that Qt would sometimes use cached libs of a different version for pure Qt apps?
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> DaSkreech: KDE will have had 2 years head start by then too :P
[01:13] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: Doesn't matter who came first :)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> they were looking at playing around with bits of it
[01:13] <DaSkreech> The important part is Microsoft not saying Look We did this!!
[01:13]  * Hobbsee didn't watch it very carefully
[01:13] <DaSkreech>  which they are already doing with Windows 7
[01:13] <DaSkreech>  it looks almost exactly like KDE4
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> Actually it looks more like Kicker with transparency turned on
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> lol
[01:14] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Where did you glance this?
[01:14] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: I'm talking about the structure of having plasmoids do all the work with layers of plasmoids taht can be amanipulaed
[01:14] <DaSkreech> manipulated
[01:14]  * DaSkreech pokes nixternal with the Pointy Stick of Noticeme!!!
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> yeah, they did totally rip that off
[01:15] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: er, planet ubuntu a while ago, iirc.
[01:16] <DaSkreech> bah i don't wanna troll through that :-( Do you remember who said it? I can troll their blog
[01:18] <JontheEchidna> jono linked to it in one of his blogs
[01:18] <DaSkreech> ok
[01:18] <DaSkreech> Did Wade just post an empty blog?
[01:19] <Ramblurr> JontheEchidna: im not sure how my qt-copy install could be interferring with qtdesigner
[01:19] <Ramblurr> i've got a separate bashrc i use when i want to use qt-copy/kde trunk
[01:22] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: vincent?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> unz or something?
[01:22] <DaSkreech> Hmm ok
[01:22]  * DaSkreech trolls twice
[01:23] <DaSkreech> Hmm Gwenview is pretty nice with nepomuk
[01:23] <DaSkreech> And digikam is pretty nice with marble
[01:23] <DaSkreech> nooooow
[01:24] <DaSkreech> If Digikam would get nepomuked....
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> anybody up for testing KDE 4.1.80 for Intrepid?
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> If I can get one or two more people to install the packages I can copy them over to the release PPA
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> Just report any dpkg failures if you run into them
[01:30] <DaSkreech> What's the rub?
[01:30]  * stdin points JontheEchidna to #kubuntu-testers
[01:30] <DaSkreech> will it install alongside KDE 4.1.?
[01:30] <JontheEchidna> DaSkreech: nope
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> From my testing though that's not much of a problem ;-)
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> kde 4.2 rocks
[01:31] <DaSkreech> ummm
[01:33] <DaSkreech> how long to install?
[02:13] <DaSkreech> O_o
[02:14] <DaSkreech> Panels are being proposed to be hard coded in Gnome 3?
[03:00]  * DaSkreech hops on Hobbsee
[03:00]  * Hobbsee is hopped on
[03:00]  * Hobbsee throws DaSkreech in the pool
[03:01] <DaSkreech> wheeee
[04:21] <r0uzic> oh hai
[04:25] <r0uzic> i have problems with upgrade to kde 4.2 beta 1
[04:25] <r0uzic> the oxygen-icons package
[04:25] <r0uzic> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.1.80-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2_all.deb (--unpack):
[04:25] <r0uzic>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/object-order-front.png', which is also in package koffice-data-kde4
[04:26] <stdin> poke JontheEchidna
[05:32] <jussi01> Ive also got an issue with the upgrade: http://paste.ubuntu.com/80177/
[05:32]  * jussi01 pokes JontheEchidna and stdin and NCommander and anyone else interested
[05:33] <NCommander> jussi01, what does dpkg --configure -a say?
[05:33] <DaSkreech> What's the problem?
[05:33] <jussi01> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kdelibs5-dev:
[05:33] <jussi01>  kdelibs5-dev depends on pkg-kde-tools; however:
[05:33] <jussi01>   Package pkg-kde-tools is not installed.
[05:33] <jussi01> dpkg: error processing kdelibs5-dev (--configure):
[05:33] <jussi01>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:33] <jussi01> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:33] <jussi01>  kdelibs5-dev
[05:33] <jussi01> gah
[05:34] <jussi01> that was a little bigger than I thought
[05:34] <jussi01> looks like apt-get install -f will fix though
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Ok
[05:35] <jussi01> not quite
[05:35] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu.com/80178/
[05:36] <jussi01> DaSkreech: I can force that somehow though?
[05:41] <jussi01> now, the moment of truth...
[05:42] <DaSkreech> jussi01:  Sorry you got it?
[05:42] <jussi01> DaSkreech: yeah, just did: sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/pkg-kde-tools_0.2ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb
[05:43] <jussi01> ok, gonna log out now and try it out
[05:44] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:44] <DaSkreech> jussi01: Don't forget Ctrl+E
[06:05] <jussi01_> DaSkreech: NCommander its borked. doesnt log in
[06:05] <jussi01_> just returns to the login screen
[06:05] <NCommander> what?
[06:05] <NCommander> I dunno what's wrong specifically
[06:05] <DaSkreech> jussi01_: What does a terminal login say?
[06:06] <jussi01_> I got a feeling its cause a few packages were held back for some reason
[06:06] <DaSkreech> jussi01_: LOL :-)
[06:06] <DaSkreech> jussi01_: try instaling them
[06:08] <jussi01_> DaSkreech: hehe, why are they held back at a dist upgrade?
[06:09]  * jussi01_ asks forgiveness for stupidity, as he is on morphine atm
[06:09] <jussi01_> :D
[06:09] <DaSkreech> I don't know I had gwenview be held back I did a normal install of it and it installed it fine and went on to greatness
[06:10] <jussi01_> DaSkreech: ok, Ill play around and see
[06:58] <glade88> if I have nightly, is it equiv to having the beta?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> No
[07:00] <glade88> DaSkreech: and, will I lose 4.1.3 after upgrading to 4.2 beta 1  ?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Yes
[07:00]  * glade88 takes the chance.. upgrades to 4.2 beta 1
[07:03] <DaSkreech>  :-)
[07:23] <jussi01> DaSkreech: it took a bit, but sorted and running now, though I still get some bluetooth crash
[07:25] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:25] <jussi01> THIS IS LOVELY :D
[07:25] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[07:25] <DaSkreech> Open Kmail
[07:26] <jussi01> why?
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Cause it's pretty :)
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Hmm I should ook at Gwenview
[07:52] <aftertaf> hi guys . . .
[07:53] <aftertaf> really well done once again with 4.2.... serious... it's getting more and more people going to it, and all are so impressed :)
[07:53] <aftertaf> just one (silly) question....  which is latest version, neon, or kubuntu-experimental, for 4.2 beta?
[07:54] <aftertaf> i imagine its neon, at its nightly cvs commits......... and its also installed separatelt to 4.1...
[08:48] <hunger> What is up with kdegames etc.? That was build successfully yesterday (according to LP), but is still not in the archives.
[08:48] <hunger> kdepim was build much later and is.
[09:22]  * hunger can not report bugs in LP at this time since he can not access kwallet since KDE 4.2 is broken:-(
[09:23] <hunger> kjots tries to overwrite a icon also in kmail, kmouth tries to overwrite a icon also in kde-icons-mono.
[09:25] <hunger> And kde 4.2 does not start up properly at all:-( kdeinit seems to crash.
[09:26]  * hunger even deleted .kde*, did not help.
[09:49] <jussi01> hunger: i HAVE IT WORKING AFTER SIMILAR ISSUES
[09:49] <jussi01> oh crap
[09:49] <jussi01> stupid caps
[09:51] <Tm_T> jussi01: =)
[09:51] <jussi01> hunger: I just force-all 'ed those packages
[09:55] <hunger> jussi01: Does kde start for you?
[09:56] <hunger> Do you have all the new packages? Or is kdegames etc. stlill old?
[10:01] <jussi01> hunger: I had to also install kubuntu-desktop again to get it to start
[10:02] <jussi01> and manually install all the packages it held back
[10:07] <jussi01> hunger: but yeah, it starts and runs nicely
[10:08] <hunger> Hmmm... where is the current kate?
[10:09] <Tm_T> hunger: kdesdk
[10:10] <hunger> kdesdk is still at version 4.1.2:-(
[10:11] <hunger> It was build yesterday, but I still can't see it on archive.ubuntu.com:-(
[10:13] <NCommander> hey lool
[10:13] <Tm_T> 1213.05 < piquadrat> Hi. Kopete in kubuntu's KDE 4.2 Beta1 builds has the same dependancy problem as in kde-neon: it depends on libmsn, which is not packaged by ubuntu. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/project-neon/+bug/301333
[10:14] <jpetso> "If you come across any issue which may be packaging related, it is recommended that you join the Kubuntu IRC channel and query those in the channel for assistance."
[10:14] <jpetso> since i have no need for assistance, i thought i just come here
[10:14] <jpetso> quote:
[10:14] <jpetso> Unpacking pkg-kde-tools (from .../pkg-kde-tools_0.2ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb) ...
[10:14] <jpetso> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/pkg-kde-tools_0.2ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack):
[10:14] <jpetso>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/findfiles', which is also in package kdesdk-scripts
[10:14] <jpetso> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:14] <jpetso>  /var/cache/apt/archives/pkg-kde-tools_0.2ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb
[10:14] <jpetso> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:14] <jpetso> when upgrading to 4.2
[10:15] <hunger> jpetso: Please use a pastebin for such lengthy cut and paste things.
[10:15] <jpetso> k
[10:16] <jpetso> kdesdk-scripts is shown to be auto-removable, it just wasn't removed because the package didn't indicate a conflict
[13:04] <jpds> nixternal: Sure, I'm on the same flight as ivoks; we'll see you there.
[13:06] <jpds> nixternal: We have to pass through the US migration stuff, so the 30 minutes shouldn't be a problem.
[13:38] <NCommander> hey nixternal
[13:56] <Tm_T> hmm, no Ubuntu, I notice -> http://www.ocert.org/team_and_members.html
[14:15] <rgreening> Sime: ping
[14:20]  * JontheEchidna good mornings rgreening
[14:20] <jjesse_> monring
[14:20] <jjesse_> rgreening did you see that greg-g will be joining us on our supershuttle
[14:20] <hunger> JontheEchidna: Morning!
[14:21] <hunger> Any ideas where the kde 4.2 debs went to? They are not yet on archive.ubuntu.com, even though they were build successfully yesterday.
[14:21]  * JontheEchidna shurgs
[14:21] <jjesse> aren't they on the ppa?
[14:21] <hunger> Some showed up, others did not.
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> lol, shurgs
[14:21] <hunger> jjesse: There are some for jaunty.
[14:21] <jjesse> ah
[14:22] <jjesse> ignore me i don't know what i'm talking about :)
[14:22] <hunger> JontheEchidna: Any idea who I can ask where those debs went?
[14:22] <jjesse> updating intrepid kde
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> nope
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> what arch?
[14:23] <jjesse> me?  i386
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> was directed at hunger
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[14:23]  * jjesse hides in the corner and shuts up
[14:23] <hunger> JontheEchidna: x86.
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> I really don't know why you aren't seeing updates
[14:24] <hunger> JontheEchidna: LP said it was build successfully.
[14:24] <hunger> I do see kdepim, kdeutils and some more (even kdenetwork which was delayed), but not kdegames, kdegraphics, etc.
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> are you sure they are not being held back?
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> kdegames and kdegraphics both install new packages this time around
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> (new games, lib transition for graphics)
[14:25] <hunger> JontheEchidna: I search kdegames in aptitude
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:25] <hunger> JontheEchidna: pressing "v" gives me 4:4.1.3-1ubuntu1 as only available version.
[14:25] <rgreening> jjesse: yeah. np
[14:26] <rgreening> morning JontheEchidna
[14:26] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: do you know how to use KProcess in pyKDE4?
[14:26] <hunger> apt-get -u dist-upgrade says nothing to upgrade.
[14:26] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I can't seem to make it work
[14:26]  * JontheEchidna has never used kprocess
[14:27] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I am trying to run a system command from within the python program, and was going to use KProcess...
[14:28] <hunger> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdegames/ does not have any 4.1.80 debs either (afaics).
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: take a look at gdebi-kde, it re-launches itself if it's not root
[14:28] <hunger> If they have new stuff, maybe they got blocked by the archive admins?
[14:29]  * JontheEchidna doesn't know
[14:30]  * hunger asked in ubuntu-devel.
[14:31] <stdin> !new
[14:31] <stdin> !newqueue
[14:32] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: Does os.system() not do what you need?
[14:33] <stdin> or popen if you need output
[14:42] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop, stdin: I think I may need to go that route. I was thinking on KProcess as it seemed the correct way to go, but now it just seems overkill.
[14:43] <stdin> python has some nice built-in functionality for it. including the commands module
[14:44] <rgreening> stdin: basically, I need to run 'kdesudo commandstring' and read the results back (the output is text and to stdout I believe)
[14:45] <stdin> import commands; output = commands.getoutput("kdesudo command")
[14:45] <stdin> or use commands.getstatusoutput(...) to get a tuple of (return_value, output)
[14:47] <jjesse> ok just updated to the kde packages for intrpied in experimental and i have a read x in the taskbar "Unable to load widget: quickaccess
[14:49] <rgreening> omg stdin, that's exactly what I need
[14:50] <stdin> I tend to use built-in tools if I can, then start looking to 3rd party tools
[14:50] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Good one.  That's the one I was thinking of and couldn't remember.
[14:51] <NCommander> hey ScottK
[14:53] <ScottK-laptop> Heya NCommander.
[14:54] <NCommander> So I built kde4libs on 266MHz/32MB ARM board ..
[14:54] <NCommander> ;.;
[14:54] <NCommander> ow
[14:54] <jjesse> how did that go?
[14:54] <NCommander> 8 hours with distcc
[14:54] <ScottK-laptop> That's not so bad.
[14:54] <NCommander> yeah
[14:55] <NCommander> Now lets see if I can get bindings to build
[14:55] <ScottK-laptop> Anyone else able to log in to the Ubuntu wiki with Konqueror?
[14:55] <NCommander> Konqueror has issues with openID AFAIK ...
[14:56] <ScottK-laptop> It worked before.
[14:56] <jjesse> can try in just a minute
[14:56] <stdin> works here
[14:57] <stdin> took a few seconds to do it, but it worked
[14:57] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Well I'll fiddle around then and see if I can fix it.
[14:59] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Make you you have the current python-qt4 too.  It'll die without that.
[14:59] <NCommander> nice :-P
[14:59] <NCommander> KDE is just pure compile evil, isn't it
[14:59] <ScottK-laptop> There's a pending change in bzr to bump the version depends.
[14:59] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Not normally.
[15:00] <cbr> anyone using the 4.1.80 debs?
[15:01] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: We got sort of the perfect storm this time of trying to transition from 4.1 to 4.2 alpha late, so not getting it completed before starting on the beta, a new arch to deal with, and the mono stack transition all at the same time.
[15:01] <hunger> cbr: I have them installed... can't really call it using yet.
[15:02] <NCommander> ScottK point taken
[15:02] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: I've done an entire KDE3 release single handed (3.5.10) and in comparison, KDE4 is pure joy to build.
[15:02] <hunger> cbr: They are not complete yet though. Some are still stuck in the archive.
[15:02] <NCommander> I've done a Xfce one
[15:02]  * NCommander sighs, and just thinks of things on his todo list
[15:03]  * ScottK-laptop is trying to avoid that.
[15:04]  * JontheEchidna merged konversation once
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat about cmake
[15:04] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help chat'
[15:04] <nixternal> jpds: +1 630 445 3860 <- my cell number - should I go ahead and reserve us a cab thing?
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat about for cmake
[15:04] <kubotu> for cmake that is
[15:04] <nixternal> wasabi NCommander
[15:04] <NCommander> yay, wasba!
[15:05] <NCommander> *washabi
[15:08] <cbr> hunger: no blowing up of computer?
[15:10] <hunger> cbr: No more KDE for me:-(
[15:10] <hunger> cbr: Computer is fine... as long as you can call running gnome fine...
[15:11]  * hunger is waiting for *all* the updated debs to get into the archive before trying to switch back to kde.
[15:11] <hunger> Currently I am seeing a unholy communion of kde 4.1.80, kde 4.1.3 and kde 4.1.2 debs installed:-|
[15:12] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Also, to add to the perfect storm, Riddell is not available to deal with archive stuff for us quickly, so that made this one harder too.
[15:13]  * hunger waits for somebody to finally push the rest of kde 4.2 beta debs for jaunty through the new queue:-(
[15:13] <NCommander> Wow
[15:13] <NCommander> We have a talent to break things
[15:19] <Trouble> Thanks very much for 4.2 beta 1 for Intrepid guys!
[15:19] <Trouble> Much appreciated
[15:19] <jjesse> agreed it works great on my dell mini :)
[15:19] <Tm_T> old... (;)
[15:20] <Trouble> jjesse, I'm getting one next week to whack Kubuntu on - so great
[15:20]  * Tm_T hugs her trunk <3
[15:20] <Trouble> pffft ;-)
[15:21]  * hunger grumbles that he should not have updated to jaunty... I am missing out on all the new stuff now:-|
[16:02] <mhb> ScottK: thank you so much
[16:03] <ScottK> mhb: Did that work?
[16:04] <mhb> ryanakca: you need to click on a link inside the mail that tells you about the expiration ( it baffles me why it's not easily accessible from LP). Thank ScottK for the information.
[16:04] <mhb> ScottK: it did
[16:04] <ScottK> mhb: Great.
[16:05] <ScottK> mhb: I know you got quite a bit frustrated/burnt out on Kubuntu earlier in the year.  I have valued your contribution and hope you'll be back ....
[16:05] <mhb> great indeed, thanks again!
[16:06] <mhb> ScottK: I might do something again... but I guess I'll think about something that would be fun for me, in order to avoid frustration.
[16:07] <ScottK> mhb: Great.  That sounds like a good plan.
[16:07] <nixternal> mhb: when you figure out that something, that helps to avoid frustration, please teach me :)
[16:08] <ScottK-laptop> I guess 'making fun of nixternal' wouldn't work so well for you?
[16:08] <jjesse>  that's what keeps me involved in kubuntu
[16:08] <ScottK-laptop> Making fun of nixternal?
[16:09] <jjesse> yup
[16:09] <nixternal> same here
[16:09] <ScottK-laptop> Excellent.
[16:10] <nixternal> mhb: you want a good project to work on, but I am sure it would be frustrating....create an open source mail client that works well with Exchange servers
[16:11] <jjesse> that would be great
[16:11] <hunger> nixternal: I though akonadi did already work with exchange? Dunno how well... but that would basically enable all future kde clients.
[16:11] <mhb> nixternal: well, I can only speak for my own experience, but it seems avoiding bad decisions does me a world of good
[16:11] <mhb> :o)
[16:12] <nixternal> haha, so true
[16:12] <nixternal> hunger: ya, it is supposed to get better
[16:12] <nixternal> actually, Evolution has worked well with the OWA garbage, but not true Exchange/MAPI support
[16:15] <ScottK> With openchange in the archive, it ought to actually be reasonably doable.
[16:17]  * ScottK is updating rsibreak to the 0.9 final.
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: did anyone ever get to kdenlive?
[16:20]  * hunger would love to see kdevelop in a kde4 version, too.
[16:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Not yet.  Someone who understands something about ffmpeg needs to update mlt and mlt++ first.
[16:20] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I asked jdong to look into it and he said he would, but he's not in a rush.
[16:21]  * JontheEchidna works on ktorrent then
[16:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If you're feeling adventurous, let me know if you need sponsoring.
[16:30]  * JontheEchidna remembers he needs to test a patch from Qt-copy that should be included in our packages
[16:31] <DreadKnight> apachelogger, heya
[16:32] <DreadKnight> um, i have a problem when trying to upgrade to kde 4.2
[16:32] <DreadKnight> it seems kde-icons-oxygen package is not 4.2 yet..
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> DreadKnight: Intrepid or Jaunty?
[16:34] <DreadKnight> intrepid
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> it's at 4.2 here
[16:35] <DreadKnight> hmm seems to be there
[16:50] <DreadKnight> bah
[16:50] <DreadKnight> need to fricking remove a package and it keeps bragging about dependencies
[16:50] <DreadKnight> koffice-data-kde4 causes problems for me
[16:51] <DreadKnight> has some icons the oxygen package can't overwrite
[16:53] <cbr> dpkg --force-all -i oxygen.deb
[16:55] <DreadKnight> dpkg --force-all -i kde-icons-oxygen.deb   but doesn't cuts it even without .deb
[16:58] <cbr> you are doing it in /var/cache/blah right?
[16:58]  * hunger is still waiting for somebody to push the jaunty kde 4.2 updates through the new queue.
[16:59] <DreadKnight> mrr, brb,,,
[17:02] <NCommander> ScottK, any ideas on what voodoo I need to do to get kde4bindings to build at all?
[17:07] <ScottK> NCommander: What arch?
[17:07] <NCommander> amd64
[17:07] <ScottK> 4.1.80 built amd64.
[17:07] <NCommander> Not in a recent chroot it seems
[17:08] <ScottK> NCommander: Built on a buildd 3 days ago.
[17:09] <NCommander> I'm aware, but I keep getting build failures
[17:09] <NCommander> I'm doing pbuilder update/pbuilder build
[17:09] <NCommander> But I think something changed to break something
[17:09] <ScottK> NCommander: What error?
[17:09] <NCommander> smoke FTBFS on a syntax error
[17:10] <ScottK> NCommander: Is it something nepomuk related?
[17:10] <NCommander> maybe
[17:10] <NCommander> I didn't save the log, retrying in a pbuilder
[17:10] <hunger> StevenK said he will do archive stuff soonish.
[17:10]  * hunger hops.
[17:10] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: What was your CDBS flag for making nepomuk not annoy us in bindings?
[17:37]  * ScottK waits for the CoC warning now (kubuntu-devel).
[17:40] <vorian> hmm
[17:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: huh?
[17:43] <apachelogger> kdeadmin pushed to launchpad
[17:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: I thought some might feel my response to the guy asking about Jaunty packages stuck in bin New was a bit harsh.
[17:44] <ScottK> I didn't, or I wouldn't have sent it.
[17:47]  * apachelogger doesn't either
[17:47] <apachelogger> then again I don't notice harshness mostly ;-)
[17:47] <apachelogger> kdeartwork pushed to launchpad
[17:49] <apachelogger> kdebase pushed to launchpad
[17:52]  * ScottK is glad he got rsibreak done before apachelogger started pushing ...
[17:52] <apachelogger> oioi
[17:53] <apachelogger> -workspace, -runtime, edu, games and graphics pushed
[17:56] <apachelogger> multimedia, pim, plasma-addons, sdk, toys, utils, webdev pushed
[17:56] <apachelogger> all done
[17:56] <apachelogger> we haz bzr based development :P
[18:00] <apachelogger> takes about 2.5 minutes to branch all
[18:04] <NCommander> hey apachelogger
[18:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: the nepomuk question was about csharp?
[18:04] <apachelogger> ahoy NCommander
[18:05] <NCommander> apachelogger, so I have kdelibs done ...
[18:06] <NCommander> (fixed so we can fix bindings on ARM)
[18:06] <apachelogger> NCommander: lp:~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu
[18:06] <NCommander> Stop reading my mind
[18:06] <apachelogger> sorry
[18:06] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: What was the error on kde4bindings?
[18:07] <NCommander> ScottK, my base system is dirty, it builds fine in a chroot
[18:07]  * NCommander wonders if everyone was out when we were discussing that there were different typedefs in QT which causes a complex sequence of events that causes kde4bindings to FTBFS on ARM
[18:08] <ScottK-laptop> No.  I remember htat.
[18:08] <ScottK-laptop> htat/that
[18:08] <apachelogger> kubuntu-bzr or bzr-kubuntu or kubzr or batbzr or apacheloggerswrath or kpony?
[18:08] <apachelogger> NCommander: Qt
[18:09]  * apachelogger likes kpony
[18:09] <NCommander> apachelogger, committing
[18:12] <NCommander> apachelogger, you got commits
[18:13] <NCommander> apachelogger, this should work on ARM, but I had some trouble test building it (cmake and distcc do not get along ATM)
[18:13] <apachelogger> self.note("Don't delete more than one message in KMail")
[18:13] <NCommander> I know the code compiles
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: 90% sure it's -DNEPOMUK_SHARP_ENABLED=OFF
[18:13] <apachelogger> NCommander: distcc is an abomination of good applications
[18:13] <apachelogger> NCommander: icecream > distcc
[18:14] <NCommander> icecream?
[18:14] <apachelogger> ~google icecream opensuse
[18:14] <kubotu> Results for icecream opensuse: 1. Icecream - openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream | 2. Libzypp/Devel/icecream - openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp/Devel/icecream | 3. Icecream - openSUSE - SWiK: http://swik.net/open-source/del.icio.us+tag%2Fopen-source/Icecream+-+openSUSE/ckkmh
[18:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you sure that worked?
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> no, I am not. cmake was very uninformative
[18:14] <apachelogger> I doubt it
[18:15] <apachelogger> 	IF(Nepomuk_FOUND)
[18:15] <apachelogger> 		SET(NEPOMUK_SHARP_ENABLED "yes")
[18:15] <apachelogger> 		ADD_SUBDIRECTORY(nepomuk)
[18:15] <apachelogger> 	ENDIF(Nepomuk_FOUND)
[18:15] <apachelogger> that is what I call bad dynamics :P
[18:15] <ScottK-laptop> I'm about 99% sure we need to do whatever Cmake gymnastics are needs to make Nepomuk not found.
[18:16] <NCommander> Oooh, very interesting
[18:16] <NCommander> Thanks
[18:16] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: If you can toss that bit into bzr, once NCommander gets done with armel, I can layer the mono transition changes on top and sponsor it.
[18:16] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Or if you want to ...
[18:17] <NCommander> I can commit the changes, but no idea what changes need to be done
[18:17] <apachelogger> I am pretty sure that code portion needs to be patched
[18:17] <apachelogger> or maybe -DNepomuk_FOUND=FALSE works
[18:17] <ScottK-laptop> I'll fiddle with it when I have more mental bandwidth available if no one else does
[18:18]  * apachelogger will take a look at it once he found a name for the bzr wrapper tool
[18:18] <apachelogger> ...if I find one...
[18:21]  * NCommander hates smoke :-P
[18:21]  * NCommander also notes the time of the great reinstallation is upon us
[18:21] <NCommander> or me
[18:25] <jjesse> good luck w/ your reinstallation NCommander
[18:26] <NCommander> yeah
[18:26] <apachelogger> so
[18:26] <apachelogger> can someone please suggest a sensible name for the bzr wrapper? :P
[18:26] <NCommander> batglue
[18:26] <NCommander> or barbeer
[18:27] <NCommander> or batbuntu
[18:27] <apachelogger> barbeer ha!
[18:27] <vvinet> zarba!
[18:27] <apachelogger> zarba?
[18:27] <vvinet> not very original sorry :(
[18:27] <apachelogger> sounds like a microsoft product ;-)
[18:28] <vvinet> bzr 98 ?
[18:28] <apachelogger> uh
[18:28] <apachelogger> matthias!
[18:28] <apachelogger> the hero of Amarok 1.4 :D
[18:29] <apachelogger> stdin: nice commit message! it shouldn't be triggered by bzr though ;-)
[18:29] <apachelogger> stdin++
[18:30] <apachelogger> NCommander: did upstream agree on your patch? + is it fixed upstream yet?
[18:30] <apachelogger> NCommander: btw, you forgot a number for the patch ;-)
[18:31] <NCommander> It's kubuntu_*
[18:31] <NCommander> As for upstream
[18:31] <NCommander> It's kinda DIA
[18:31] <NCommander> But the best I got is we should normalize the module to use Qt types
[18:32] <apachelogger> NCommander: kubuntu_NN_* ... ok, please get upstream to get their solution in for beta2
[18:32]  * apachelogger hates such big patches
[18:32] <apachelogger> they don't want to apply to often ;-)
[18:32] <NCommander> I'll submit it for inclusion upstream as soon as I'm sure that fix is going to work 100% on ARM
[18:32] <NCommander> (that is to say all KDE modules, or at least a reasonable percentage compile and work)
[18:33] <vorian> but can you get it to install on my iphone?
[18:33] <apachelogger> lolz
[18:33] <jjesse> how bout on my windows moblie phone
[18:33] <apachelogger> ah!
[18:33] <apachelogger> ~np
[18:33] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Ruby" by Kaiser Chiefs [Yours Truly, Angry Mob, 2008]
[18:33] <apachelogger> ...batpull ftw
[18:34] <vorian> batpull?
[18:34] <apachelogger> a more sensible implementation of pull-lp-source
[18:34] <vorian> hrm
[18:35] <vorian> i do not love bzr
[18:35] <apachelogger> who does
[18:35] <vorian> those bzr folks
[18:35] <vorian> and jcastro
[18:35] <vorian> :P
[18:35]  * apachelogger shudders
[18:36]  * apachelogger only luvs tha ruby ruby ruby
[18:36] <apachelogger> NCommander: testbuilding
[18:36] <vorian> apachelogger: i've been lerning ruby!
[18:36] <vorian> learning even!
[18:37] <apachelogger> vorian: so you can take over maintainership of the batmagic? ;-)
[18:37] <vorian> soon
[18:37] <vorian> very soon
[18:37] <vorian> apachelogger: the only problem would be ktown access
[18:37] <vorian> but i can bug a fews of you about that if needed
[18:38] <apachelogger> I guess we could get easily
[18:38] <apachelogger>  13 files changed, 959 insertions(+), 260 deletions(-)
[18:38] <apachelogger> ^ diffstat between current batscripts and my private branch ;-)
[18:38] <vorian> wowza
[18:39] <apachelogger> TBH, a lot of the insertations are documentation
[18:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: Shouldn't it just be a native package anyway?
[18:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: what should?
[18:40] <apachelogger>  13 files changed, 959 insertions(+), 260 deletions(-)
[18:40] <apachelogger> wrong past .... 41.2% is comment
[18:42] <NCommander> ??
[18:44] <apachelogger> NCommander: stats about batscripts
[18:44] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/80452/
[18:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: batmagic (which I assume is your name for the bat scripts package)
[18:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: batmagic == batscripts
[18:45] <apachelogger> but yes, batscripts should be native
[18:46] <ScottK> So I guess I don't know why ktown access is relevant.
[18:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: for testing maybe, I don't know either  though ;-)
[19:15] <apachelogger> meh
[19:15] <apachelogger> out of space -.-
[19:29] <stdin> apachelogger: it's because it works with bzr and svn repos
[19:31] <apachelogger> stdin: well, that was a wrong positive then
[19:32] <rgreening> stdin, ScottK: any suggestions on how I can get the $? of the command that kdesudo runs, rather than $? from the execution of kdesudo?
[19:32] <Daskreech2> +1 to it?
[19:32] <stdin> apachelogger: it looks for bzr or svn in regex
[19:33] <apachelogger> stdin: so why did it spit out kde svn?
[19:33] <stdin> apachelogger: because that's basically just a keyword that tells the bot to trigger the function
[19:33] <stdin> rgreening: in a shell or what?
[19:34] <apachelogger> stdin: either way the behaviour is wrong and needs to be fixed, if someone wants bzr they shall get bzr and not svn ;-)
[19:34] <rgreening> stdin: I'm using the commands.getstatusoutput(...) where the command is kdesudo 'blah'
[19:34] <stdin> apachelogger: supybot looks at the message and sees if it has any classes loaded that matches the regex
[19:35] <rgreening> stdin: The $? returns the exit status of kdesudo, but I need exit status of the command it ran
[19:35] <rgreening> kdesudo always returns succes on the command I pass it
[19:36] <stdin> you're stuck then
[19:36] <apachelogger> well
[19:36] <apachelogger> rgreening: kdesudo 'foobar; echo $?'
[19:36] <rgreening> apachelogger: not a bad idea
[19:36] <apachelogger> catch stdout in a var and parse the last line
[19:36]  * rgreening tries
[19:37] <stdin> "kdesudo 'false ; echo $?'" outputs nothing
[19:37] <stdin> it doesn't run in a shell it seems
[19:37] <apachelogger> oh
[19:37] <apachelogger> &&
[19:38] <apachelogger> or
[19:38] <stdin> $ kdesudo 'xterm ; echo $?'
[19:38] <stdin> xterm:  bad command line option ";"
[19:38] <apachelogger> now
[19:38] <stdin> ...
[19:38] <apachelogger> no
[19:39] <Daskreech2> stdin: What's the hanging ' for ?
[19:39] <Daskreech2> oh no it's not hanging
[19:39] <apachelogger> rgreening: well, you are boned
[19:40] <apachelogger> policykit shall prevail!
[19:40] <rgreening> dam
[19:41] <apachelogger> rgreening: you could access ufw via a wrapper script
[19:41] <apachelogger> make the wrapper script output echo $?
[19:41] <rgreening> I suppose I could write a wrapper to call.. hah read my mind
[19:41] <apachelogger> ^_^
[19:41] <rgreening> I was typing at same time
[19:41] <rgreening> lol
[19:41] <rgreening> Yeah, I think that's the way to go.
[19:42] <apachelogger> solution++
[19:42] <apachelogger> so
[19:42] <apachelogger> what do you guys think about gypsy for the name of my bzr wrapper script?
[19:42] <rgreening> apachelogger: I just want to get my program to enable/disable and add/remove a simple rule by the time I get to uds. I'm so close
[19:43] <apachelogger> apparently vorian associates bazaar with gypsy ;-)
[19:43] <rgreening> I associate it with Super Dave
[19:43] <apachelogger> that is even more weird
[19:43] <apachelogger> rgreening: uds starts mondayish?
[19:43] <rgreening> yeah
[19:44] <rgreening> apachelogger: I have the basic gui 80% complete.
[19:44] <apachelogger> rgreening: if jr didn't came online until then you will have to drag him to an IRC client for me
[19:44] <apachelogger> that is weird grammar
[19:44] <rgreening> apachelogger: lol
[19:44]  * apachelogger won't upload kde-l10n without knowing if debian/cdbs should be replaced 
[19:44] <apachelogger> which is most likely the case anyway
[19:46] <NCommander> Why do we need to change the rules?
[19:47] <apachelogger> NCommander: hm?
[19:47] <NCommander> why does kde-l10n need rules changed
[19:48] <apachelogger> NCommander: it might because of the translations stuff
[19:48] <NCommander> can I help in anyway?
[19:49] <apachelogger> remember... l10ning is fully automated ;-)
[19:49] <apachelogger> thanks anyway
[19:49] <NCommander> damn you and your increasing upload count
[19:49] <Daskreech2> apachelogger: Are you planning on Kamping with us?
[19:51] <apachelogger> NCommander: ha! lolz! How do you think jr always ends up at the top of the list?
[19:51] <apachelogger> faking uploads all over the place
[19:51] <apachelogger> Daskreech2: kamping?
[19:51] <Daskreech2> Camp KDE
[19:52] <NCommander> apachelogger, so how does Merge-O-Matic get uploads :-)
[19:52] <apachelogger> Daskreech2: that is incredibly far away from austria, isn't it? ;-)
[19:52] <ScottK> NCommander: MoM code is on LP if you really want the details.
[19:52] <NCommander> It doesn't upload
[19:54] <Daskreech2> apachelogger: But it's nice and warm! With coconuts!
[19:55] <apachelogger> Daskreech2: true, but the farther away the more expensive it gets
[19:55] <DaskReech> apachelogger: Stay for two weeks then :-D
[19:56] <DaskReech> Ok cool :)
[19:57] <apachelogger> DaskReech: I am starting a new employment on 2nd of februrary :(
[19:57] <apachelogger> otherwise I would actually consider that
[19:57]  * apachelogger could use some vacation :)
[20:02] <DaskReech> Good luck with that!
[20:02] <NCommander> apachelogger, when do you plan to do the next upload of kde4libs?
[20:02]  * apachelogger pokes NCommander in the eye
[20:02] <apachelogger> right now
[20:02] <apachelogger> what a PITA
[20:02] <NCommander> I love you now :-)
[20:02] <apachelogger> DaskReech: thanks
[20:02] <vorian> yikes, ark is slow
[20:03] <NCommander> I'll update bindings as fast as I can
[20:03] <apachelogger> NCommander: _now_ ????!?!?!!? that is ourages
[20:03] <apachelogger> +t somewher
[20:03] <apachelogger> +e somewhere
[20:03] <apachelogger> must be typo time
[20:03] <NCommander> +bad joke somewhere
[20:03]  * apachelogger lost the konsole tab he wanted to upload from
[20:12] <DaskReech> Anyone knows a doc on how to convert a KDE3 Konqueror service menu to be suitable for KDE4?
[20:12] <DaskReech> I know it's nearly trivial Just need to find a doc
[20:12] <apachelogger> <3 debcommit -R -r
[20:12] <apachelogger> DaskReech: none there
[20:13] <apachelogger> at least not to my knowledge
[20:13] <DaskReech> apachelogger: I saw a webpage on how to do it last night too :( it's on KDE-apps comments somewhere
[20:13] <apachelogger> DaskReech: just grab one from KDE 3 and one from KDE 4 and it should become quite obvious what needs to change :)
[20:16] <apachelogger> DaskReech: what do you associated with a bazaar?
[20:17] <DaskReech> ...
[20:17] <DaskReech> cathedrals?
[20:17]  * DaskReech is a sad lil geek
[20:17] <apachelogger> oh yes you are :D
[20:17]  * apachelogger hands DaskReech a cookie
[20:18] <DaskReech> Nom nom nom nom nom
[20:20] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot188.png there is nothing like a good old tag
[20:20] <apachelogger> NCommander: ^
[20:21] <NCommander> Thanks
[20:21]  * NCommander hugs apachelogger 
[20:21] <NCommander> However, I still want to rearrange your bzr repo to be answer
[20:21] <apachelogger> no need
[20:21] <apachelogger> gypsy will take care of bzr's stupidity
[20:21] <apachelogger> muahahah
[20:22] <apachelogger> vorian: I think that name sticks
[20:22] <vorian> yay!
[20:22] <vorian> gypsy ftw
[20:22] <apachelogger> vorian: that could be offending people who work on a bazaar though :P
[20:22] <NCommander> How about overlord :-P
[20:22] <apachelogger> too long
[20:23] <vorian> na, apachelogger, we'll just let them tell us our fourtune.
[20:23] <vorian> that will make em happy
[20:23] <apachelogger> anyway, next question is ... how to distribute gypsy?
[20:23] <DaskReech> Would it be offending to Gypsy's who are not tied to bazaars?
[20:23] <NCommander> Packaging it
[20:23] <vorian> apachelogger: bzr perhaps?
[20:23] <apachelogger> DaskReech: possibly
[20:23] <vorian> or ubuntu-dev-tools
[20:23] <apachelogger> more like kubuntu-dev-tools
[20:23] <vorian> or we could make a kubuntu-dev-tools wrt all the batscripts too
[20:23] <apachelogger> ubuntu-dev-tools is flooded with python :P
[20:23] <vorian> ^5 apachelogger
[20:23] <apachelogger> aye
[20:24] <NCommander> yay, python
[20:24] <apachelogger> gypsy gets a  bzr branch
[20:24]  * ScottK-laptop prefers Python too, but not enought to volunteer to d the actual work.
[20:24] <apachelogger> will merge with batscripts, once they are ready for publishing, and become kubuntu-dev-tools
[20:24] <NCommander> why can't we just make the repo sane ...
[20:25] <apachelogger> because bzr is the suck
[20:25] <apachelogger> you can't create subtrees unless you are using the development implementation
[20:25] <apachelogger> and I am sure as heaven not going to stuff our precious packaging in a developmentish repo
[22:02] <ryanakca> ScottK: thanks :)
[22:02] <DaskReech> You scared him
[22:03] <ryanakca> hehe
[22:03] <ryanakca> mhb: Any idea when I'm supposed to get this expiration email?
[22:03] <jpds> nixternal: the Supershuttle  thing? OK. I thought you meant a normal cab.
[22:03] <nixternal> jpds: doesn't matter...we can normal cab it as well I guess
[22:03]  * ryanakca waves to jpds
[22:04]  * jpds waves at ryanakca 
[22:04] <jpds> nixternal: Either which gets us to the hotel is fine by me.
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: chat about the hotel
[22:09] <kubotu> the hotel which might go one a day or two?
[22:10]  * ScottK-laptop loves wifi at the gym where $YOUNGEST_CHILD has ballet class.
[22:14] <vorian> <3 kwrite
[23:17] <astromme> Hey, I'm having a problem with fglrx (Radeon 3450 HD) in jaunty. I keep getting a fallback to the failsafe. Here is my Xorg.0.log: http://rafb.net/p/Vv5UVK96.html . Any ideas or suggestions?
[23:17] <astromme> my dmesg is tsdgeos (n=tsdgeos@kde/aacid) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[23:17] <astromme> dmesg -> http://rafb.net/p/M8Qv3F38.html . And I'll try -ati
[23:18] <astromme> whoops, that was some other junk.... anyways, radeonhd didn't give me a 1680x1050 screen and I haven't tried ati yet. But I would like 3d acceleration
[23:32] <cbr> so does te 4.1.80 stuff mostly work?
[23:32] <cbr> i'm eager to try it out
[23:34] <DaskReech> cbr: Try it then
[23:39] <cbr> ah crap, i am going to..
[23:39] <cbr> i'm just a simple man :(
[23:39] <DaskReech> Sweet :) Target audience :)
[23:40] <cbr> akonadi brings in loads of other bs :o
[23:40] <cbr> mysql server etc
[23:40] <cbr> why oh why
[23:40] <cbr> what is akonadi anyway?
[23:40] <astromme> I wouldn't..... unless you're using neon
[23:40] <cbr> no, jaunty
[23:40] <astromme> intrepid-backpots is incomplete
[23:40] <astromme> jaunty is... fine
[23:41] <astromme> I'm on it now, but my fglrx is busted
[23:41] <cbr> my intel is busted too
[23:41] <cbr> well, just slow mostly
[23:42] <astromme> mine won't even start
[23:42] <astromme> I'm using -ati now... so sad without composite =/
[23:42] <cbr> my 3d performance is 220 FPS in glxgears
[23:42] <cbr> proud moments..
[23:44] <DaskReech> heehee
[23:44] <astromme> lol
[23:44] <DaskReech> -iacknowldegethisisnotabenchmark ftw
[23:45] <DaskReech> cbr: Beta 1 mostly works
[23:45] <astromme> although! although! xrender is working decently so I do have some things like transparancy and shadows
[23:45] <DaskReech> I've found like 4 bugs
[23:45] <DaskReech>  3 of which are already fixed in trunk
[23:45] <cbr> o nice.. packaging errors
[23:45] <cbr> a file in kalzium is already provided by kalgebra
[23:45] <supert0nes> anyone get this error kdebindings-kde4: Depends: libkimono4.1-cil but it is not installable when trying to install kdebindings-kde4?
[23:46] <astromme> yeah, me too
[23:46] <supert0nes> s/install/upgrade
[23:46] <supert0nes> its not make or break but it is interesting
[23:47] <astromme> I'm also frustrated that alt-f2 brings me to tty2
[23:47] <astromme> rather than ctrl-alt-f2
[23:47] <astromme> so I keep going to the console
[23:48] <supert0nes> hmm
[23:51] <astromme> oh noes.... no I have a wsod
[23:53] <astromme> thank god for ssh or I would be dead in the water
[23:55] <astromme> actually, what I really want is kernel modsetting.....
[23:58] <astromme> that's it.... I can't deal with this. Time to move to the nvidia card (which is even worse in some cases >_>.... and louder for sure.... GAH)