[00:03] <wgrant> mpt: Possible for human UI designers?
[00:07] <mpt> wgrant, sure, I've seen a mockup of it, and it wasn't even mine ;-)
[00:10] <wgrant> mpt: Oh, good.
[00:13] <wgrant> When are we seeing the 3.0-break-everything-again UI?
[00:13] <wgrant> It has been a few months since the last UI redesign...
[00:14] <mpt> I think the idea is more small bits of awesomeness from now on
[00:14] <wgrant> That sounds better.
[00:53] <kiko> fta, woo
[00:55] <fta> kiko, still stuck but we'll see
[01:25] <FAJ> hi, i am trying to set up a ppa, but am having difficulties with signing the ubuntu code of conduct...  it says that there is no public key?
[01:26] <kiko> Hobbsee, can you subscribe to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/281293 ?
[01:26] <kiko> FAJ, are you following any documentation?
[01:26] <FAJ> kiko
[01:27] <Hobbsee> kiko: ok?  (why)
[01:27] <FAJ> kiko:  only the instructions that is on the site.
[01:27] <kiko> Hobbsee, because it's your bug?
[01:27] <FAJ> i am probably encrypting/decrypting wrong...
[01:27] <Hobbsee> kiko: oh, that one :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> kiko: I thought that was the email about deactivating accounts for launchpad or something, and was thinking  "why is this relevant to me?"
[01:28] <kiko> Hobbsee, well I want to ask you a question on it. :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> kiko: ahhh.  Ask away :)
[01:28] <FAJ> kiko: gpg --clearsign UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.0.1.txt  that is the command i throw in, and I get a .asc... how should i open it?
[01:29] <kiko> FAJ, so one thing at a time. have you imported your pgp key into launchpad, first?
[01:29]  * Hobbsee notes filtering on X-Generated-By (or whatever it is) works a charm, too
[01:29] <FAJ> kiko; yes i believe so...
[01:29] <FAJ> yes it shows it as an active key
[01:31] <kiko> ok cool
[01:31] <FAJ> so but then why is it telling me that i don't have an open key?
[01:32] <kiko> FAJ, "it" and "telling" sound very vague.
[01:33] <FAJ> https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1/+sign
[01:33] <FAJ> (7, 9, 'No public key')
[01:34] <FAJ> this means website telling means below ;)
[01:34] <FAJ> sorry for being so random
[01:36] <FAJ> kiko:  any thoughts?
[01:37] <kiko> aha
[01:37] <FAJ> lol cool
[01:37] <kiko> FAJ, so let me check something.
[01:37] <kiko> FAJ, what's your launchpad id?
[01:37] <FAJ> https://launchpad.net/~cunninghamlouis
[01:37] <FAJ> ?
[01:38] <FAJ> sorry totally newb to this
[01:38] <FAJ> if you tell me where it is i can get it
[01:43] <kiko> FAJ, did you only just import the key?
[01:43] <FAJ> kiko: yes
[01:43] <kiko> FAJ, can you wait for a bit and try again? there is a delay sometimes.. not sure why
[01:44] <FAJ> kiko; ah ok....
[01:44] <FAJ> how should i open the .asc .... b/c i can open it with gedit...
[01:47] <FAJ> kiko:  about how long should i wait...
[01:47] <kiko> sure gedit or whatever is fine
[01:48] <FAJ> kiko:  ok how long should i wait?
[01:49] <kiko> FAJ, now, and if it doesn't work, in an hour, and if that doesn't work, ask a question (see /topic)
[01:51] <FAJ> ok so should i just try again....
[01:52] <FAJ> ok tried again; still bad.
[01:56] <lifeless> kiko: re: delay, if the key is in one appservers cache but not another, and hasn't propogated amongst keyserfvers yet, that might explainit
[01:58] <kiko> lifeless, it's more that there's an internal keyserver and sometimes the syncing breaks
[01:59] <lifeless> kiko: that would fit too - I only commented cause you said 'not sure why'
[01:59] <kiko> yeah!
[02:00] <FAJ> ah ok...
[02:00] <FAJ> b/c i know i tried to go to a different webpage and navigate back to that page; but still same error
[02:01] <kiko-zzz> FAJ, I think the syncing is broken. If you ask a question at answers.launchpad.net/launchpad I'll have somebody look into it tomorrow
[02:01] <kiko-zzz> I need to split though
[02:01] <FAJ> kk
[02:01] <FAJ> i will try syncing tomorrow
[02:02] <FAJ> thanks kiko
[02:02]  * kiko-zzz waves
[02:22] <CyHawk> hi! is there support for handling line-endings in bazaar currently? on the net i mostly just found plans for it from 2007 and can not tell if it was implemented in the end.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: answered
[02:31] <Rhot> hi everyone!
[02:32] <Rhot> i'm trying to upload some debs for the 1st time to ppa, but i can't figure out how to do this. Any help?
[02:33] <Rhot> there is only dput to upload sources, but i need to upload binaries
[02:33] <mwh> oh
[02:34] <mwh> you can't upload binary packages
[02:34] <mwh> (it's not the way ubuntu works)
[02:35] <Rhot> so launchpad is only for source maintaining?
[02:35] <stdin> launchpad will build the binaries for you
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Rhot: ppa is about building sources for you, giving you the binaries.
[02:36] <Hobbsee> perhaps you're wanting another part of launchpad?
[02:36] <Rhot> didn't know that... i'm a little bit confused
[02:37] <FAJ> Hobbsee:  i noticed that when i go 'up' the html chain, it says i already have an opengpg key registered
[02:38] <Rhot> i built some binaries for my job colleagues.
[02:39] <Rhot> is there any place on launchpad or somewhere else where i can distribute those packages?
[02:42] <stdin> is there any reason you don't want the PPA to build it?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> stdin: presumably he doesn't want to give the source away?
[02:45] <Rhot> sure, i use some special configuration options when i compile the binary. that options make it (software) best-suited for our company needs.
[02:46] <FAJ> Hobbsee: if it says that i have a key in there, then could i be copying and pasting wrong?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> FAJ: i don't know, it's been so long since i've done it.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> they've probably changed it since i've done it
[02:47] <FAJ> o... ok
[02:47] <Hobbsee> (like, 2005)
[02:47] <FAJ> oh ok...
[02:48] <FAJ> b/c i am guessing that the key gpg is using is the WRONG KEY... i think
[02:50] <wgrant> FAJ: Did you do as kiko suggested and ask a question on Launchpad?
[02:50] <FAJ> where?
[02:50] <wgrant> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[02:51] <FAJ> what i am guessing is happening is that the gpg key that i am using to encrypt is using a different key to encrypt than the open gpg key
[02:59] <FAJ> so the question is; how to make the gpg command see a different key?
[03:00] <mwh> gpg --use-key or something isn't it?
[03:00] <FAJ> not --use-key
[03:00] <FAJ> i am looking in the help,,, but nothing
[03:01] <Hobbsee> gpg --list-keys?
[03:02] <FAJ> ok... but that just lists them...
[03:02] <mwh> gpg -u i think
[03:02] <FAJ> ok will try -u,,, but then which id do i use?
[03:02] <mwh> i think it takes the short id
[03:03] <FAJ> ah -u is is
[03:03] <FAJ> it
[03:03] <mwh> i remember battling to get this work once and promptly forgot the details :)
[03:03]  * Hobbsee wonders about the definition of "see" here
[03:04] <FAJ> aha!
[03:04] <FAJ> ya... lol i thought i would see it in -h...
[03:04] <FAJ> phew finally
[03:07] <FAJ> thank you all who helped me out; i have a feeling i will be back.
[03:15] <FAJ> how can i change my ppa from jaunty to hardy/
[03:15] <stdin> FAJ: you just edit the debian/changelog to have jaunty instead of hardy
[03:16] <FAJ> stdin:  where is that?
[03:17] <stdin> on the 1st line, at the far right
[03:18] <FAJ> stdin:  on which page?  i don't see anything to change?
[03:18] <stdin> in the source package
[03:18] <stdin> the one you upload
[03:18] <FAJ> sorry to being totally new... o ok...
 (<version>) jaunty; urgency=low
[03:18] <FAJ> and what if i have a .deb... how can i upload it?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> you can't.
[03:19] <FAJ> oh...
[03:19] <stdin> you don't upload .debs
[03:19] <FAJ> tar.bz2?
[03:19] <stdin> the point of PPAs is to build debs from source
[03:19] <FAJ> ok so i if i have a tar.bz2...
[03:20] <stdin> you have to make it into a debian package
[03:20] <stdin> usually means converting it to a .tar.gz for a start
[03:21] <stdin> you may want to look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[03:21] <mwh> i don't think the build system supports .tar.bz2 yet
[03:21] <FAJ> ok...
[03:21] <mwh> (it will sooner or later though)
[03:21] <FAJ> well see i what i am trying to do is to set up a ppa for pidgin-facebookchat.
[03:21] <FAJ> and so it already has all the stuff....
[03:23] <FAJ> an i am trying to use dput to update it, but it keeps telling me that it is not a .changes file...
[03:23] <stdin> that's because you need to build the source package
[03:24] <FAJ> confused as to why.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> because ppas build the binary for you
[03:25] <Hobbsee> that's the point of them
[03:25] <FAJ> ok but i have a .tar.gz with the source....
[03:26] <stdin> a source package is not the same as the source of a project
[03:26] <stdin> you need to debianize it
[03:26] <FAJ> o... ok
[03:26] <FAJ> is there an 'easy' way to do it?
[03:26] <stdin> have a look at the guide I posted above and https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[03:27] <stdin> there is no automatic way of doing it properly
[03:27] <FAJ> http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/downloads/list
[03:27] <FAJ> i am just wondering if any of those work...
[03:29] <stdin> you'd have to take the source code and create a debian source package out of it
[03:29] <FAJ> ok
[03:29] <stdin> if you want to use the PPA service, you'll have to learn something about debian packaging first, it's not just a file hosting service
[03:30] <Hobbsee> stdin: You know, i'm starting to see a profitable business venture for someoen to package stuff that people want in a ppa, but don't want to learn about themselves...
[03:30] <FAJ> ok thanks.
[03:32] <stdin> Hobbsee: probably a good idea
[03:57] <Hobbsee> http://launchpad.net/bugs/303403 and such.  Yay, spammer.
[06:13] <thesecondlaw> Hey can someone help me troubleshoot email bug editing?
[06:16] <rockstar> thesecondlaw, what do you mean email bug editing?
[06:17] <thesecondlaw> Launchpad's email interface, excuse me.
[06:17] <rockstar> thesecondlaw, what would you like to know?
[06:18] <thesecondlaw> Does it work for you? I've been signing my emails via PGP, and sending them from my lauchpad email but nothing seems to work
[06:18] <thesecondlaw> I recieve neither a failure notice, nor a success notice from malone
[06:22] <thesecondlaw> rockstar: ping
[06:26] <rockstar> thesecondlaw, what are you trying to do specifically?
[06:28] <wgrant> A pastebin of the email would likely be helpful.
[06:28] <thesecondlaw> wgrant: Working on that now :)
[06:30] <thesecondlaw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/80193/
[06:31] <wgrant> thesecondlaw: You also sent some individual messages?
[06:31] <thesecondlaw> Yes
[06:31] <wgrant> The problem with both I've seen so far is that you don't have two spaces in front of the commands.
[06:31] <wgrant>   status invalid
[06:32] <wgrant> Not:
[06:32] <wgrant> status invalid
[06:32] <rockstar> wgrant, you need two spaces for bugs?
[06:32] <rockstar> I think you only need one.
[06:32] <wgrant> Hmm, I've always used two.
[06:32]  * wgrant checks docs.
[06:33] <rockstar> The merge proposal stuff only requires one.
[06:33] <thesecondlaw> Hmm, from the directions I didn't know you needed any, so that  may be the problem
[06:33] <thesecondlaw> Even then, shouldn't I get an error message?
[06:33] <wgrant> rockstar: I don't trust LP to not reinvent everything.
[06:33] <wgrant> No.
[06:33] <wgrant> Yours was a valid message.
[06:33] <wgrant> It just didn't do anything.
[06:34] <wgrant> To which address did you send it?
[06:34] <rockstar> wgrant, it may not be reinventing something, it may just be a loose regex.
[06:34] <thesecondlaw> edit@bugs.launchpad.net - the address for mass edits
[06:35] <wgrant> thesecondlaw: Ah. For doing mass-closing like that I'll usually be tricky and just say '  status invalid' and have lots of bug address in the To line, to avoid spamming lots of bugs with a huge message.
[06:35] <wgrant> I've closed a couple of hundred bugs at once using that trick.
[06:36] <wgrant> hmm, indeed, just one space is required.
[06:37] <thesecondlaw> Well, the space thing seems to be my problem. Let me make sure its working
[06:37] <wgrant> I would advise against rejecting those bugs, however.
[06:37] <thesecondlaw> Any reason? They are spam.
[06:37] <wgrant> They are spam and should be 'deleted' by a LOSA.
[06:39] <thesecondlaw> *shrug* I mainly wanted to get rid of them to clean up my own workflow while triaging. They take up a nice chuck of my search results
[06:40] <wgrant> That'll just spam people and not actually get rid of them. Better to actually kill them so they don't stick around forever.
[07:45] <darius12> I 'd like to use the ppa system of launchpad, to make development a bit faster and also share the results with whoever is interested.
[07:45] <darius12> Is it possible to have it automatically pull from a vcs?
[07:46] <al-maisan> darius12: you typically upload source packages to a PPA
[07:46] <darius12> since I don't have the bandwidth to reupload complete tarballs
[07:47] <darius12> I see, so there is no support for pulling from repositories?
[07:47] <beuno> darius12, not yet, it's in our plans
[07:48] <darius12> that would be a great feature :-)
[07:48] <al-maisan> darius12: there are future plans to link bazaar branches to source packages but I am not sure how imminent that feature is.
[07:48] <beuno> anyway, back to sleep
[07:48] <beuno> al-maisan, looking forward to seeing you next week
[07:48] <al-maisan> beuno: same here :)
[07:48] <darius12> I see, thanks :-)
[07:48] <al-maisan> beuno: did you have a chance to look at that movie?
[07:49] <al-maisan> darius12: you are welcome.
[07:49] <beuno> al-maisan, no, but I have it with me. I've been carrying it around everywhere, with the hope of actually managing to watch it!
[07:50] <al-maisan> beuno: no problem, happens to me as well :)
[07:50] <beuno> al-maisan, I've been sprinting non-stop since the last time I saw you
[07:50] <beuno> but, I'll get to it, it's inevitable
[07:50] <al-maisan> beuno: wow! You are a *busy* man :)
[07:51] <beuno> you can say it that way  ;)
[07:51] <beuno> now, really, going to sleep
[07:51]  * beuno waves
[07:53] <al-maisan> Good night beuno!
[08:15] <darius12> good night :)
[08:17] <darius12> I have one more question: assuming that someone is foolish enough to test a package of mine and finds a bug, where should it be reported? Just send an email?
[08:17] <darius12> Or is there issue tracker support for ppas?
[09:37] <Hobbsee> darius12: hopefully they'll email you.
[09:37] <Hobbsee> darius12: there's no issue tracker for ppas.
[09:50] <darius12> Hobbsee ok, then as you said "hopefully they will email me" :-)
[11:22]  * Hobbsee wonders why launchpad says "OK: <packagename> for rejected things, and is sure that it didn't used to do that...
[11:42] <twi_> hi
[11:43] <twi_> the pitivi project on launchpad belongs to Registry Administrators
[11:43] <twi_> how can we get it back?
[11:43] <twi_> we the pitivi developers that is
[11:54] <wgrant> twi_: Ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, and an admin should be able to help you out.
[11:55] <twi_> right answers.launchpad.net
[11:55] <twi_> wgrant thanks
[15:01] <flacoste> me
[15:04] <kiko> em
[15:06] <Nafallo> meh
[15:07] <sidnei> meow
[15:41] <xteejx> Hi guys, has anyone else come across bug 78596, it's quite annoying at times
[15:47] <intellectronica> xteejx: yes, it is quite annoying. hopefully it will get fixed soon, but i don't think it's scheduled for now
[15:52] <philn> hi
[15:52] <philn> is launchpad.net blocked in china?
[15:54] <elmo> philn: certainly not universally, no
[15:55] <philn> i've got a user there (dunno exactly where) telling me he's unable to access LP
[16:12] <bac> philn: we've had reports that LP is very slow from china.  is your user blocked or just finding LP unusable?
[16:14] <philn> bac: "I know that I should report this in Launchpad, but unfortunately I am not able to get into that from China – don’t know why."
[16:14] <philn> i'll ask him
[16:15] <bac> philn: thanks.  that is a little vague but it would be interesting to know for sure.
[16:15] <philn> yep i'll keep you in touch
[16:15] <mario__> mrevell: poke :)
[16:16] <mrevell> mario__: Hi
[16:16] <mario__> mrevell: I talked with jml yesterday (well, technically today)
[16:17] <mario__> (I'm pygi obviously, just at uni now so :P)
[16:17] <mrevell> mario__: Ah, glad to hear it.
[16:20] <mario__> mrevell: thanks once again ;)
[16:20] <mario__> he'll probably work with us
[16:21] <philn> bac: he can't access it at all
[16:22] <mrevell> that's great to hear mario__
[16:22] <mario__> mrevell: gotta run now, but will bug you once I'm home, or tomorrow :)
[16:22] <mrevell> great, catch you later :)
[16:25] <bac> mrevell: ^^ have you had any complaints about LP not being accessible from China?
[16:26] <mrevell> bac: No, I've not seen anything about it being inaccessible. There have been a few complaints about slowness from China in the past.
[16:26] <bac> mrevell: yes, that's all i'd heard too.
[16:26] <bac> mrevell: perhaps you should pop over and investigate?
[16:27] <mrevell> bac: I'll get packing.
[16:27]  * mrevell reads up
[16:29] <philn> i'm asking the guy what kind of error he might see in his browser... he's not really a tech dude
[17:21] <oojah> Hi
[17:26] <oojah> I'm feeling the launchpad love. My insignificant program got some more translations done and with the recent change of license wrt translations on launchpad it got me thinking on how to label the translations I'm including in my tarball considering the license and the copyright of the different translators. I thought just noting that they're under the BSD license would cover it, but looking at the .po files I've downloaded ...
[17:27] <oojah> ... they are marked as under the same license as the project, which isn't the BSD license. Is this just an oversight?
[17:43] <Ursinha> bac, do you know the answer for oojah?
[17:48] <bac> Ursinha, oojah:  i do not know the answer offhand but will help find the answer.
[17:54] <bac> danilos: can you answer oojah's question?
[18:01] <Ursinha> thanks bac
[19:34] <oojah> I idle in here anyway so no rush :)
[22:06] <pygi> jml, poke?
[22:06] <jml> pygi: hi. busy.
[22:06] <pygi> jml, kk
[23:22] <Hobbsee> lamont and co:  any idea on http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20198898/upload_795677_log.txt?
[23:23] <Hobbsee> (failed to upload)