[13:33]  * _MMA_ waves.
[13:33] <robsta> hiya
[13:34] <thorwil> hi!
[13:34] <ldp> Hello
[13:35]  * _MMA_ grabs Sebastian's newest stuff to put in Breathe-BZR.
[13:36] <_MMA_> thorwil: I asked him to take a shot at the category icons as the would show an instant change in the set.
[13:37] <_MMA_> But I think we should examine the current ones and see if we can draw something different.
[13:39] <thorwil> *shrug*
[13:40] <_MMA_> :P
[13:43] <robsta> thorwil: have you decided on a repository / project for the template?
[13:44] <thorwil> robsta: yes, i will add it to my kyudo repo. the button template is already there, actually
[13:45] <robsta> thorwil: url?
[13:46] <thorwil> robsta: https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/kyudo
[13:48] <_MMA_> kwwii: You around?
[13:49] <robsta> thorwil: good stuff
[13:53] <thorwil> :)
[13:54] <robsta> thorwil: unfortunately supporting all gtkrc widget style properties turns out to be more work than expected
[13:56] <thorwil> robsta: will that have any consequences besides things taking longer?
[13:56] <robsta> thorwil: guess not
[13:57] <robsta> thorwil: people on #gnome-art have kindly reminded me that nautilus, libwnck and other libs' widgets have style properties too
[13:58]  * thorwil -> coffee
[13:58] <_MMA_> Crazy thing is, there can also be custom widgets. This has messed me up more than once with the Studio theme.
[13:59] <robsta> yes, i'm talking of custom widgets, they will be handled
[14:00] <robsta> (as long as they are following gtk conventions)
[14:01]  * _MMA_ hopes this is all less of a mess with gtk3.
[14:01] <robsta> _MMA_: there are some evil plans, keep an eye on gtk-devel-list
[14:01] <robsta> of course politics plays a role in gtk development too
[14:02] <_MMA_> "Evil" in a good way? :) I'm really so sick of it I'm about to go to KDE.
[14:02] <robsta> _MMA_: sick of what?
[14:02] <robsta> theming limitations?
[14:03] <_MMA_> Partly. Also the "politics".
[14:03] <robsta> hmm
[14:03] <robsta> i often hear that qt/kde has superior theming, but i never see themes i like
[14:04] <_MMA_> It does have good themes but they have historically been harder than GNOME to install. That's one reason I've stayed away before.
[14:06] <robsta> _MMA_: i'm beating the drums for css support in gtk3, based on the lessons learned from my current work; we'll know more after the theming hackfest in Feb.
[14:08] <_MMA_> robsta: Sounds great!  :)
[14:09] <robsta> http://live.gnome.org/GTK%2B/NewThemeApi/Hackfest fyi
[14:13] <robsta> it's quite great that you guys are helping out on the artistic side, this will strengthen my position :)
[14:28] <_MMA_> :)
[14:30] <robsta> cya
[14:32] <_MMA_> later
[14:34] <ldp> Back
[14:49] <kwwii> _MMA_: hey man
[14:49] <_MMA_> 1 sec. brb
[15:39]  * _MMA_ is trying to do half of this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DWzuIreDGA
[15:40] <_MMA_> kwwii: I was gonna say to get Ted to do some Inkscape hackin' while he's at UDS. :P
[15:41] <lucazade> _MMA_: video is impressive :)
[15:41] <kwwii> hehe, good idea...I was trying to get a hold of him about a few issues
[15:41] <_MMA_> He's already supposed to be scriptin' creation of a source package for nightly PPA builds.
[15:41] <dilomo> Does anybody knows how can I theme the toolbar of evoulution differently than the rest of the toolbars? I know of the following way:
[15:41] <dilomo> widget_class "*EShellWindow.GtkVBox.BonoboDock.BonoboDockBand.BonoboDockItem*" style "newwave-evo-new-button-workaround"
[15:41] <dilomo>  but it does not work for me because the style of the toolbar is applied to the menubar too and the result is this:
[15:41] <dilomo> http://img219.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=05174_Screenshot_122_553lo.jpg
[15:42] <_MMA_> dilomo: Might just be one of those things you have to live with. Otherwise, I have no clue.
[15:43] <lucazade> no idea how to solve it dilomo
[15:43] <dilomo> can't I use some better matching
[15:43] <dilomo> not BonoboDockItem* but Tool* smth
[15:44]  * kwwii is off to the store, bbl
[15:46] <dilomo> btw what was the channel of gnome artwork?
[15:46] <dilomo> I want to ask there too
[15:46] <lucazade> ask cimi
[15:47] <dilomo> ok
[15:47] <dilomo> 10x
[15:47] <_MMA_> #gnome-art I think
[15:47] <lucazade> #murrine
[15:48] <dilomo> there's nobody on gnome-art but me
[15:48] <lucazade> :)
[15:48] <andreasn> dilomo: on gimpnet?
[15:49] <dilomo> oh you mean the server
[15:49] <andreasn> yes
[15:49] <andreasn> irc.gimpnet.org
[15:50] <dilomo> adding it now
[15:50] <andreasn> Evolution is currently moving away from bonobo, but that doesn't help right now I guess :)
[15:50] <andreasn> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-hackers/2008-November/msg00009.html
[15:50] <andreasn> or, currently, is in the process, rather
[15:51] <dilomo> when are they going to get rid of bonobo?
[15:51] <dilomo> in the next release?
[15:52] <dilomo> btw it does not want to connect to irc.gimpnet.org
[15:53] <andreasn> Matthew says "I still don't know." in the e-mail, I guess it depends a bit what Red Hat wants him to focus on during work hours
[15:53] <andreasn> oh, try irc.gimp.org
[15:54] <dilomo> so I have to think of a patch meanwhile :)
[15:55] <andreasn> did irc.gimp.org work?
[15:55] <dilomo> well probably not
[15:55] <dilomo> because it is still connecting
[15:56] <andreasn> irc.us.gimp.org might work
[15:57] <dilomo> I think the problem is in my pidgin here
[15:57] <dilomo> still nothing
[15:58] <dilomo> and when I try to edit the settings the entry for the channel is inactive
[15:59] <dilomo> I did it :)
[15:59] <dilomo> finally
[16:00] <dilomo> thanks andreasn
[16:06] <_MMA_> Here's what I'm trying to get Compiz runnin' on. (smaller side ones are stand-ins 'till the 2-20" come in the mail) http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4030/dscf5024resizedxf1.jpg But it looks like Cant do it in Intrepid atm. I need to go back to Hardy. (I need the abandoned xserver-xgl)
[16:09] <dilomo> why is this not possible with the new
[16:09] <lucazade> mma what i can call a play-station
[16:09] <dilomo> xserver-xgl
[16:10] <_MMA_> dilomo: It's unsupported and no longer in the repo.
[16:11] <_MMA_> Go to the end of this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=884161
[16:12] <dilomo> wow
[16:13] <_MMA_> lucazade: It's all business on this thing I assure you. ;)
[16:13] <dilomo> the specs are niec
[16:13] <dilomo> nice*
[16:13] <lucazade> you luck so :P
[16:13] <_MMA_> dilomo: I'm runnin' on somewhat less of a setup (about half) but the idea is the same.
[16:14] <dilomo> yeah but it should work too
[16:15] <_MMA_> It will if I go back to Hardy.
[16:15] <_MMA_> atm, I don't have the final side monitors so it's not important. I'm just setting thins up for now. Trying to get the xorg right.
[16:16] <dilomo> i understand
[16:38] <lucazade> _MMA_: i can understand you, i have to use for my job xfree86 instead of xorg on an old centos to make it work with the touchscreen
[16:38] <lucazade> :)
[16:39] <_MMA_> Oh wow.
[16:42] <lucazade> _MMA_: like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS4xYwYS6nM
[16:46] <_MMA_> Cool. :) So there's no new drivers for this then?
[16:46] <_MMA_> I bet someone on the xorg or kernel list could port/write it.
[16:46] <lucazade> i've found new one for intrepid but it's really hard to calibrate the touch
[16:46] <lucazade> so workin on it
[16:47] <lucazade> the old driver were not opensource :S
[16:48] <lucazade> so i was able to port/make it work on latest xorg
[16:48] <lucazade> *wasn't