[00:25] <jmedina> Shapeshifter: just use as a controller without raid, and manage the raid with mdadm :D
[00:30] <Shapeshifter> jmedina: what do you mean "a controller without raid"? The main reason why I use a raid controller is having a hotspare and redundancy for the drives.
[00:31] <Deeps> Shapeshifter: he uses software at the OS level to build and manage the raid arrays, instead of the controller's onboard software
[00:32] <jmedina> Shapeshifter: you can use your card as a disc controller, and then manage you raid with software tools like 'mdadm', mm but Im not sure if you can use it as hotswap drives
[00:33] <Shapeshifter> Deeps: will the OS level software be able to report degraded drives? Because I'm unable not to use the raid controller. I could of course just define them as 3 seperate arrays and let the OS level software do the rest. is that possible?
[00:33] <Shapeshifter> mhh
[00:33] <jmedina> if you can then you can also do hotspare with mdadm
[00:34] <jmedina> Shapeshifter:  yes the mdadm daemon can send you a email when detects a degraded raid, and if you have a spare drive it can automatically add to the raid and it rebuild automagically
[00:35] <Shapeshifter> jmedina: good to know. thanks, I'll look into it when I'm back at work
[01:03] <byte_slave> hi everyone!
[01:06] <byte_slave> how can i just upgrade a specific package? i mean i tried to upgrade clamav like this "sudo apt-get upgrade clamav" and lots of other programs are automatically upgraded
[01:06] <byte_slave> but i just want upgrade one specific package
[01:06] <byte_slave> can anyone help plz
[01:09] <byte_slave> hummmm....should i just run "sudo apt-get install clamav" instead?
[01:21] <jmarsden|work> byte_slave: I believe that if the stuff being pulled in/upgraded are happening because of Recommends:, you can do   sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install clamav
[01:23] <byte_slave> irc://freenode/jmarsden%7cwork
[01:23] <byte_slave> sorry-¨.....copy paste problem here :)
[01:24] <byte_slave> jmarsden|work, thanks
[01:24] <jmarsden|work> No problem.
[01:24] <byte_slave> is that i was looking for
[01:25] <jmarsden|work> You can use tab completion rather than cut and paste for nicks, incidentally, in many IRC clients... type jmar and hit TAB...
[01:30] <byte_slave> always learning.... thanks
[01:31] <slestak> im trying to setup a quick test server for a dev environment and need to send mail to local users.  i thought i would use sth simple like SendEmail, to send emails to steve@localhost.  SendEmail appears to be doing its part, but get the following message: Dec 03 19:11:49 e1505 sendEmail[11036]: ERROR => Connection attempt to localhost:25 failed: IO::Socket::INET: connect: Connection refused
[01:32] <slestak> im trying to avoind installing postfix or exim for just local mail needs
[01:32] <slestak> would ssmpt be a better choice for a dev env that will likely be wiped out in a few hours?
[01:35] <hads> Postfix should pretty much work out of the box without much config
[01:36] <slestak> ok.  i was just trying to go smaller
[01:47] <slestak> looks like postfix it is, thx
[02:17] <byte_slave> does anyone here can help me plz about clamav version upgrade?
[02:18] <cfedde> How can I teach ubuntu-server to automount SD and usb drives when they are attached?
[02:19] <byte_slave> anyone can tell me what repository should i use?
[02:43] <havsalt> i want to make a shell server, anyone with experience here?
[02:46] <zoopster> havsalt: I would imagine that a lot have that experience. What's the question?
[02:48] <havsalt> i need a howto or something
[02:48] <zoopster> byte_slave: not sure what you mean? To keep clamav up to date just use freshclam
[02:48] <havsalt> zoopster: how to secure, install scripts
[02:48] <byte_slave> nope, i mean the program upgrade
[02:48] <havsalt> it's just for private use you can say, but i want it to be bulletproof
[02:49] <byte_slave> just the databases it does ok
[02:53] <zoopster> byte_slave: the latest would be in backports for your version, but it's not tested well - I would stick with what is in main, personally
[02:53] <zoopster> havsalt: ah...so lockdown is what you are after
[02:54] <zoopster> havsalt: depending on what you want to offer a minimal install will provide the basics
[02:54] <havsalt> hm
[02:55] <havsalt> i want to use webservices, dns (for domains and ipv6 stuff) and the ability to give out shellaccounts
[02:55] <havsalt> no lockdown....
[02:55] <havsalt> :)
[02:57] <byte_slave> zoopster: i'll follow your suggestion....i'll keep it from now
[02:58] <zoopster> havsalt: a basic install will probably provide what you need - you need to determine how tight you want to make it. Keep the apps installed to necessary one's only and limit access
[03:00] <zoopster> byte_slave: unless you have a specific problem what is provided in intrepid follows the latest stable release
[03:00] <zoopster> byte_slave: as of code freeze anyway - early oct 08
[03:01] <zoopster> havsalt: you may want to look at apparmor or selinux to keep the users from getting in trouble
[03:14] <jmedina> havsalt: run ssh chrooted
[03:14] <jmedina> with ulimits for you users
[03:33] <havsalt> jmedina: didn't understand that one
[03:34] <jmedina> if you want to put your users in a jail, so they can go out of their home, you need you chroot ssh, of course if you are going to provide remote shell
[03:46] <havsalt> jmedina: yeah
[03:46] <havsalt> chroot ssh as root?
[04:10] <zoopster> havsalt: maybe this will help - http://olivier.sessink.nl/jailkit/
[04:11] <genii> zoopster: Nice link, incidentally
[04:15] <zoopster> genii: a bit dated, but it may help havsalt
[05:16] <genii> There exists #apache but no equivelent of #apache-devel or such on freenode. I want to make a feature request of sorts, any ideas how to go about this?
[05:36] <alex_21> How do you install lamp on a Hardy sever?
[05:36] <alex_21> Server
[05:40] <sirb> can someone give me some advice?  I'm running the 8.04 LTS installer and it's missing a required package
[05:41] <sirb> The package is nic-restricted-firmware-2.6.24-19-generic-di_2.6.24.13-19.44_i386.udeb
[05:41] <alex_21> How do you install lamp on a Hardy server?
[05:42] <havsalt> what is lamp?
[05:42] <sirb> alex: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[05:50] <alex_21> It hangs at zero percent
[05:50] <alex_21> Never Mind
[05:51] <alex_21> Good night. Bani Bash
[05:58] <genii> Impatient fellow
[05:59]  * IL12 is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes
[05:59] <IL12> Is there a guide to the 8.10 Server CLI?
[06:01] <IL12> a more.. 'official' guide, for lack of a better word?
[06:01] <IL12> and, is there a way to work with 8.10 Server from a GUI rather than a CLI? or work with the Server through a Terminal in the GUI?
[06:01] <genii> IL12: That is sort of a trick question. Since it's the shell (bash sh or so on) you are meaning.
[06:02] <genii> IL12: There are some web based admin apps.
[06:02] <IL12> Well considering it took me forever to figure out I was logging in incorrectly (put caps in my login UN), I'm not sure how else to ask it at the moment.
[06:02] <genii> !ebox
[06:03] <genii> IL12: You may also want to look into things like phpmyadmin
[06:04] <IL12> I will definitely do that, tyvm.
[06:06] <genii> IL12: You're welcome
[06:07] <genii> alex_21: To answer your earlier question. If you installed ubuntu-server then you already have a LAMP install (linux, apache, mysql and php)
[06:07] <alex_21> Hi, I had lamp installed. I went back to the machine, and no apache. So I am trying to reinstall lamp, and I just told taskcell to install, without removing anything, and voala, nothing is happening. What can I do. the installer is at 0%
[06:08] <sirb> apache might not be running, but are you sure it's not installed?
[06:08] <genii> Also are you looking for apache when perhaps you want to look for apache2
[06:09] <alex_21> No, I know. There was no response from Apache when using the web to retreive a url and none of my files exist anymore in /var/www/
[06:10] <genii> alex_21: Is /var mounted?
[06:10] <alex_21> And I still have the problem of the installer frozen at 0%
[06:10] <alex_21> I cd into /var/www/ and only find the default stuff
[06:11] <alex_21> Index.html etc
[06:11] <genii> That doesn't answer the question of : is /var mounted
[06:11] <alex_21> I am already frustrated that my wiki disappeared, and now the installer hangs
[06:11] <alex_21> I don't know about mounting. I just started the machine as usual
[06:12] <alex_21> I am a Perl programmer, not a web server techie
[06:12] <genii> alex_21: Hit ctrl-c to halt inactive tasksel
[06:14] <genii> alex_21: report if: apt-cache policy apache2   reports some line with *** next to it
[06:14] <alex_21> That doesn't work
[06:14] <genii> alex_21: You are ssh'd into the box or at console?
[06:15] <alex_21> SSH
[06:15] <alex_21> The server is headless
[06:15] <genii> alex_21: OK, fine. another ssh session then. And then kill the previous one from there forcefully
[06:16] <alex_21> How
[06:18] <genii> alex_21: eg: ps aux | grep yourusername           then note first number of lowest pts number. In my case the ps reports: Mike     19339  0.0  0.2   7520  1536 ?        S    00:26   0:00 sshd: Mike@pts/2
[06:18] <genii> alex_21: So I'd want to: sudo kill -9 19339
[06:19] <genii> alex_21: You will see one with pts/1 and one with pts/2    kill the one with pts/1
[06:19] <genii> Or whatever the lowest pts # is
[06:20] <alex_21> Ok
[06:21] <alex_21> I hit reboot
[06:21]  * genii head-desks
[06:22] <genii> alex_21: Your impromptu improvisations make it difficult to continue trying to assist you
[06:23] <IL12> oh, btw genii: the page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox states that its broken for 8.10 Ibex.
[06:24] <IL12> and since i usually learn better by immersing myeslf into something, I will probably refrain from using a GUI unless I absolutely have to. then I could just isntall the desktop edition and LAMP.
[06:24] <genii> IL12: Apologies, I do not use intermediate releases for production boxes and so did not know
[06:25] <IL12> No worries. I was just alerting you since I saw it on the page.
[06:25] <IL12> :)
[06:26] <alex_21> I can't help it. My screen reader is killing me here, instead of reading it so I can kill the session
[06:26] <alex_21> Sorry
[06:26] <alex_21> I had to reboot
[06:27] <alex_21> I had no choice, please understand
[06:28] <genii> alex_21: Very well. Are you now ssh into it, or at console, etc?
[06:28] <alex_21> SSH
[06:29] <genii> alex_21: Does:  ps ax|grep apache2                  report a bunch of lines like:19395 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL               or just back to prompt?
[06:31]  * genii makes more coffee 
[06:31] <alex_21> I'll see. It looks like the ssh attempt was unsuccessful
[06:32] <genii> alex_21: Networking may not have been fully up yet before you tried. Wait a minute. Also if you rebooted the server, it may need to do a filesystem integrity check first which could be a while
[06:32] <alex_21> It looks like the serve is reporting that is is down
[06:33] <genii> alex_21: See my above remark regarding filesystem check
[06:33]  * genii obtains more aspirin 
[06:34] <genii> alex_21: Does it respond to ping?
[06:36] <alex_21> No
[06:37] <alex_21> I'm really sorry about all of this, it is my screen reader. It doesn't like Terminal too much
[06:38] <genii> alex_21: Perhaps another time you can change the terminal font to one which the reader will more readily understand
[06:39] <alex_21> It understands it, it just locks up
[06:39] <alex_21> When reading up through Terminal lines
[06:39] <alex_21> Down is no problem. The worst is in VI/VIM when It actually crashes Terminal while scrowling up
[06:43] <alex_21> I'm going to have to go to bed here. I can't think clearly right now. I'm over tired from sleepless nights getting the main server back up and running
[06:43] <genii> alex_21: OK. PErhaps another time then
[06:43] <alex_21> Good night. Bani Bash
[09:25] <soren> ScottK: uvirtbot will announce bugs on any package for which the server team is a bug contact.
[09:43] <nme> soren: hi, do you use virt-manager?
[09:57] <kraut> moin
[09:58] <soren> nme: Yes.
[10:03] <nme> soren: do You have a clue how to remove host connection entry?
[10:03] <soren> Use gconf-editor.
[10:04] <soren> I don't know any other way.
[10:04] <nme> thats the solution :) ty
[13:32] <ScottK> soren: Right.  I'm not talking about the announcement function, but it's pulling up additional information on a bug that's mentioned in the channel.
[13:33] <ScottK> The specific thing that would be nice is for clamav bug 1089 to get the info from the clamav bugzilla.
[14:20] <Faust-C> i am so happy
[14:20] <Faust-C> finally got att wifi card to work
[14:21] <vertx> Hi, I have set up a dhcp server to serve 50+ clients. Some of the clients should be able to connect to the internet, while others should not. I have a list of their current static ip addresses and their macs. How should I go about it? Use groups or pools?
[14:22] <Faust-C> vertx, i would do it at the firewall lvl imo
[14:23] <vertx> Faust-C: what do you use? firestarter?
[14:24] <vertx> Faust-C: I am using shorewall as my firewall configurator.
[14:24] <Faust-C> vertx, pf but you can do the same in iptables/ufw
[14:25] <vertx> Faust-C:  pf? let me check ...
[14:26] <vertx> Faust-C: are you on openbsd?
[14:27] <Faust-C> vertx, no
[14:28] <Faust-C> vertx, look into pfsense
[14:28] <vertx> Faust-C: I'll look into it right now ...
[14:29] <Faust-C> vertx, its simpler to use firewall cause you can do more advanced stuff if needed
[14:32] <vertx> Faust-C: It seems that pfsense is a <quote>"customized distribution of FreeBSD tailored for use as a firewall"</quote>. Is it like as easy to install?
[14:32] <Faust-C> anyone have recomendations on if i should use 64bit or 32bit in my ESX setup
[14:33] <Faust-C> vertx, very easy
[14:33] <Faust-C> vertx, you look @ screenshots
[14:34] <vertx> Faust-C: Sadly my boss wants to use ubuntu exclusively :( But, I'll check it out anyway. Thanks
[14:35] <Faust-C> vertx, just explain to him its easier to use for a firewall than ubuntu tbh
[14:35] <yann2> why the ":(" ubuntu isn't bad ;)
[14:36] <Faust-C> yann2, i likes ubuntu but i believe in using the right tool for the right job
[14:36] <yann2> right, never used ubuntu as a firewall so far :)
[14:36] <Faust-C> heh
[14:38] <Faust-C> well i wish i had more time cause i would like to create a webui for ubuntu
[14:38] <Faust-C> cause ubuntu is very flexable
[14:38] <Deeps> Faust-C: contribute towards ebox?
[14:38] <Faust-C> Deeps, ebox is ubuntu's project ?
[14:38]  * Faust-C relooks at ebox
[14:38] <vertx> yann2: Ubuntu-Server 8.04 is good, I have a decent iptables based firewall running on top of it
[14:39] <Deeps> Faust-C: indeed
[14:39] <Deeps> !ebox | Faust-C
[14:39] <yann2> 8.04 much better than 6.06 :)
[14:39] <Faust-C> ah sweet deal
[14:39] <Faust-C> funny how i used to hate ubuntu
[14:39] <Faust-C> but now am pushing it into production on my ESX servers
[14:39]  * yann2 running KVM on hardy...
[14:40] <Deeps> why did you 'hate' ubuntu?
[14:40] <Deeps> and what changed your mind?
[14:40] <Faust-C> yann2, yeah but i still have some windows hosts
[14:40] <Jeeves_> esx, bah
[14:40] <yann2> so do I :P
[14:40] <Faust-C> Deeps, well i first tried ubuntu around 5.something
[14:41] <Deeps> Faust-C: server or desktop?
[14:41] <Faust-C> desktop
[14:41] <yann2> win2k server works pretty well with KVM, even got driver for paravirtualized networking
[14:41] <yann2> but well you probably have way more features with esx
[14:41] <Faust-C> i wasnt very patient, i became uber nerdy and started using 'hard' distros like arch and gentoo
[14:41] <Deeps> i'm glad i dont work with you lol
[14:41] <Faust-C> yann2, HA mainly
[14:42] <Faust-C> Deeps, oh not those in production
[14:42] <yann2> Faust-C > i heard its coming :)
[14:42] <yann2> using a SAN?
[14:42] <Faust-C> but i started to get tired of all the manual crap
[14:42] <Faust-C> yann2, IBM DS3300
[14:42] <yann2> hehe be patient :)
[14:42] <Faust-C> and ubuntu just works and is WELL supported
[14:42] <Faust-C> and now w/ likewise i can use it seamlessly in AD
[14:43]  * yann2 using likewise as well
[14:43] <Faust-C> yann2, i plan on buying the enterprise version
[14:43] <yann2> its alright isnt it? but quite a lot error messages in my syslog
[14:43] <Faust-C> trying to move desktops away from MS
[14:43] <yann2> same here :)
[14:43] <Faust-C> yann2, yeah
[14:43] <yann2> where are you working?
[14:43] <Faust-C> my laptop runs it atm
[14:44] <Faust-C> yann2, a small company that does big business, middle man for insurance angencies and states
[14:45] <yann2> ok
[14:45] <yann2> stay around, I'm interested in feedback on likewise
[14:45] <yann2> you didnt do the move to ldap yet?
[14:45] <Faust-C> yann2, will do
[14:45] <Faust-C> yann2, im rebuilding network, we're on a workgroup
[14:45] <yann2> ldap+samba as a domain controller for windows? :)
[14:46] <Faust-C> oh hells no
[14:46] <yann2> why not?
[14:46] <Faust-C> thats too much to manage, and certain apps here wont play nice
[14:46] <Faust-C> like MS SQL
[14:46] <yann2> hehehe
[14:46] <Faust-C> and its not very functional in MS env
[14:46] <yann2> I scrapped it already
[14:46] <Faust-C> whoo i bet you did lol
[14:46] <yann2> actually we didnt intall ESX because of that requirement...
[14:47] <Faust-C> yeah i do hate the limited support for linux tools when esx IS linux
[14:47] <yann2> :)
[14:47] <yann2> any other reason not to recommend ldap+samba?
[14:48] <Faust-C> no real benifit
[14:48] <Faust-C> benefit*
[14:48] <Faust-C> it makes it very difficult to move to AD or eDir from what ive read
[14:48] <Faust-C> wish i could use edir
[14:49] <yann2> ldap cheaper, better integration with linux :)
[14:49] <yann2> but interesting point of view
[14:49] <ivoks> ldap+samba doesn't compare to AD at all
[14:49]  * Kamping_Kaiser blink
[14:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> move *to* AD?
[14:49] <ivoks> those are different products
[14:49] <ivoks> ldap+samba would be something like NT4 style DC
[14:49] <ivoks> not an AD
[14:50] <ivoks> if you want AD, use AD
[14:50] <yann2> ivoks > what is there in AD that is not in ldap? i just need authentication
[14:50] <ivoks> most of the times you just think you want AD
[14:50] <yann2> probably using 1/3 of AD features
[14:50] <yann2> i just want authentication and groups :)
[14:50] <Faust-C> ivoks, when youre in a MS env AD is best for user systems management
[14:50] <Faust-C> yann2, then i would use eDir
[14:50] <yann2> and some additional infos  like emails, name etc
[14:51] <vertx> doesn't anyone use radius anymore?
[14:51] <yann2> url?
[14:51] <Faust-C> but AD has a lot of functionality when it comes to managing users desktops
[14:51] <ivoks> Faust-C: i would argue that most of the AD admins don't know real AD advantage over NT4 style directory
[14:51] <Faust-C> yann2, heh novell eDirectory
[14:51] <ivoks> they are just brainwashed
[14:52] <Faust-C> ivoks, idk about NT4, i just want simpler user management
[14:52] <yann2> what does it have more than just LDAP?
[14:52] <Faust-C> cant lock down a desktop w/ ldap+samba
[14:53] <yann2> "lock down"?
[14:53] <ivoks> Faust-C: if you don't know how, that doesn't mean it can't be done :)
[14:53] <Faust-C> yann2, keep users from installing software, default groups and permissions, etcetc
[14:53] <Faust-C> ivoks, ive heard ppl say that before yet i havent seen anyone present docs on doing so
[14:54] <ivoks> Faust-C: AD doesn't do anything
[14:54] <Faust-C> futhermore its too tedious trying to plug a star into a circle
[14:54] <ivoks> Faust-C: AD is set of lots of services and you can't compare ldap+samba with it
[14:54] <Deeps> you could probably do a facelift with a plastic knife too
[14:54] <ivoks> Faust-C: there's also kerberos and stuff
[14:54] <Faust-C> Deeps, exactly
[14:54] <ivoks> Faust-C: client reads profiles from central server and there are many ways to serve profiles to the client
[14:55] <yann2> so what would you recommend to provide authentication to users, in a windows environment, that is linux based?
[14:55] <ivoks> Faust-C: small part of AD just serves couple of file, client machines (windows) does all the locking
[14:55] <yann2> and if possible not even more proprietary and locked down that AD is? :)
[14:56] <Faust-C> ivoks, but i have yet to see a alternative to windows desktop administration
[14:56] <ivoks> Faust-C: so, you can serve profiles over thelegraph with morse code, if you have enough time :)
[14:56] <Faust-C> ivoks, i have to focus on functionality and simplicity
[14:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> ivoks, morse is quite an efficent way of communicating
[14:57] <Faust-C> ldap+samba != simple or functional in MS env
[14:57] <ivoks> Faust-C: let me repeat, ldap and samba aren't enough
[14:57] <Faust-C> ivoks, thats what im saying
[14:57] <Faust-C> and patching together a bunch of stuff to get it to work isnt the answer
[14:58] <ivoks> Faust-C: that's like saying mercedes isn't as good as bmw, just cause you don't know how to shift gears :)
[14:58] <Faust-C> no thats not
[14:58] <ivoks> Faust-C: trust me, AD are lots of patched things
[14:58] <ivoks> Faust-C: it just has nice marketing :)
[14:58] <Faust-C> ivoks, its not marketing....
[14:59] <Faust-C> youre talking to someone that attempted to move to a samba setup
[14:59] <Faust-C> i dont use MS personally, all my personal systems and future work systems use linux
[14:59] <Faust-C> or fbsd
[14:59] <ivoks> and you are talking with someone who has more than 100 samba installations in production :D
[15:00] <Faust-C> ivoks, and how many users do you manage that are on XP
[15:00] <ivoks> most of them are on XP, others are on Mac
[15:00] <Faust-C> how many
[15:00] <ivoks> thousands
[15:00] <Faust-C> youre the first to have that setup
[15:01] <ivoks> no, i'm not
[15:01] <Faust-C> every samba book i have read suggests not to use samba as a 'DC' for MS
[15:01] <ivoks> 'not as a AD DC for MS'
[15:01] <ivoks> but 'better than NT4 style DC'
[15:02] <Faust-C> and you havent explained desktop managing features
[15:02] <ivoks> i told you, you just have to serve profiles
[15:02] <ivoks> samba does support profiles
[15:02] <Faust-C> sounds like too much manual configuration
[15:03] <ivoks> well, there are only two of us in company, so, go figure :D
[15:03] <Faust-C> thats what i thought
[15:03] <Faust-C> you dont manage thousands of MS users w/ samba
[15:04] <ivoks> i give up :)
[15:04] <ivoks> you won, samba sucks
[15:04] <Faust-C> i never said samba sucks
[15:04] <Faust-C> futhermore you argued that you manage MS users w/ samba+ldap when you dont .....
[15:05] <vertx> Faust-C:  what kind of desktop management are you referring to? I like to learn
[15:05] <Faust-C> vertx, as in locking down the desktop, intergration with services such as SQL and email
[15:05] <ivoks> Faust-C: again, i manage windows users in samba; i don't manage users as people
[15:06] <ivoks> Faust-C: i even sync users between two companies
[15:06] <Faust-C> so basicly you just wanted to prove a point that doesnt even refer to my issue
[15:07] <Hawkey> hi
[15:07] <Faust-C> i have several friends that are linux consultants
[15:07] <Faust-C> and not one has done what you do, but i do greatly commend you
[15:07] <Faust-C> you have far more exp than i do, and i really wish i had the know how
[15:08] <ivoks> there was samba 3 howto collection
[15:08] <Faust-C> ivoks, youre a lucky man/woman to have accomplished that
[15:08] <ivoks> it was a great read couple of years ago, i would suggest to start with that
[15:08] <ivoks> i think it has couple of examples how to server profiles to windows machines
[15:08] <Faust-C> already read it all
[15:08] <Faust-C> we have too high of a turnover rate
[15:09] <ivoks> true, you'll have to write your own profile, but some people consider vi as the best tool for everything
[15:09] <Faust-C> i loves my vim
[15:09] <Faust-C> ivoks, thats the issue
[15:09] <Faust-C> its more than me i have to worry about '
[15:10] <Faust-C> my jr admins dont have the exp and arent familiar w/ *nix
[15:10] <Faust-C> so i have to try to make things as simple as possible, so when if i get hit by a bus they will be ok
[15:11] <Faust-C> brb
[15:34] <yann2> oups :|
[15:43] <Hawkey|theOne> hi i may i have question?
[15:44] <_ruben> !ask
[15:45] <Hawkey> is there any list of available packages for latest version?
[15:45] <_ruben> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[15:49] <Hawkey> thx
[16:56] <DogWater> Anyone know if it is possible to deploy ubuntu using a server but then have it use internet mirrors for install/updates after installation?
[16:57] <DogWater> for some reason if you put url in the kickstart file it uses that URL for everything after the install is done
[16:57] <yann2> 'course, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:57] <DogWater> Oh, it would need to be automatic
[16:57] <yann2> run a script to deploy the sources.list :)
[16:57] <jmarsden> DogWater: script the edit of /etc/apt/sources ...
[16:58] <DogWater> so I could just do a default install of ubuntu and copy its sources file and then just have it wget that one after the install is done in %post?
[16:58] <DogWater> is there a way to have it use a random mirror instead of specifying one in sources.list?
[16:58] <yann2> script it ;
[16:58] <yann2> ;)
[16:59] <DogWater> so there is no URL that will just pick a random mirror, though? is what i'm trying to say, like there is with CentOS, Rhel, etc?
[16:59] <yann2> ie, without customisation, no, not afaik
[17:00] <yann2> pick the one closest to you :)
[17:01] <DogWater> Yeah, we've hardcoded ones in the past and they tend to have issues and we run into big problems. thats why we moved the install files to our local HTTP server but then we ran into the problem where it was trying to use our local server for updates, etc
[17:01] <yann2> i use a local repo mirror for main/multiverse/restricted, and fetch universe from gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:04] <Deeps> DogWater: i think you can specify multiple mirrors in the sources file
[17:05] <DogWater> well, I suppose if I had a script that can detect the IP address of the host which is doing the install it could set the appropriate url -- line in the kickstart and that would solve most of my problems. I'm not so keen with bash though.
[17:05] <DogWater> and i believe bash is the only language that works in kickstart
[17:07] <DogWater> The issue is that while we're deploying the machines locally they communicate with the server with 1 IP, but once they're deployed they use a different IP.
[17:07] <yann2> you could have a look at puppet ;)
[17:29]  * Faust-C wonders how to get postfixadmin into repos
[17:39] <DogWater> Does anyone here use the kickstart installs?
[18:34] <kirkland> mathiaz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/ecryptfs-utils/
[18:48] <soren> ScottK: I see. Where's clamav's bugtracker?
[18:49] <ScottK> soren: https://wwws.clamav.net/bugzilla/
[19:01] <soren> ScottK: Let's try..
[19:01] <soren> uvirtbot: bugtracker add clamav bugzilla https://wwws.clamav.net/bugzilla/ ClamAV
[19:01] <soren> clamav 345
[19:02] <soren> \o/
[19:02] <soren> ScottK: ^^
[19:03] <ScottK> clamav bug 1089
[19:03] <ScottK> soren: Perfect.  Thanks.
[19:04] <soren> ScottK: You're welcome.
[19:04] <Faust-C> hmm having issues w/ ubuntu8.10 server getting inet on ESX
[19:17] <galaga> i have internet access with static ip, which i have setup in /etc/network/interfaces. When the nic comes up, ubuntu adds some routes i have to delete in order to get the routing right. what is the recommended way to make the changes permanent? couple of lines in rc.local?
[19:17] <_ruben> Faust-C: working flawless here .. with esxi 3.5u2
[19:17] <Faust-C> _ruben, nvm DHCP doesnt work which i dont want anyways
[19:17] <_ruben> Faust-C: heh
[19:17] <Faust-C> im excited
[19:17] <_ruben> galaga: what kind of routes?
[19:17] <Faust-C> _ruben, btw you have any docs for ESX?
[19:17] <Faust-C> i have a few books but i need a lil more
[19:18] <_ruben> Faust-C: tons of docs on vmware.com :)
[19:18] <galaga> two: one for the subnet of my isp and another (unrelated) default route for localnet on the other nic
[19:18] <Faust-C> _ruben, ic
[19:19] <_ruben> Faust-C: and i bought uhm .. whats it called again .. its at work and im at home :p
[19:19] <galaga> i need only the defaultroute for my isp gw
[19:19] <Faust-C> _ruben, lol yeha i gots all the docs
[19:20] <Faust-C> just some are too tedious
[19:20] <_ruben> galaga: 2 default routes? thats a config error i'd say
[19:20] <_ruben> Faust-C: www.vi3book.com .. thats the one i got, but havent really read it yet (lack of time)
[19:21] <Faust-C> i havent either
[19:21] <Faust-C> rebuilding entire network
[19:21] <Faust-C> w/ only one person
[19:25] <galaga> _ruben: i don't think it is an error, config is very simple, only two nics (maybe it's that both have a GATEWAY line)
[19:25] <galaga> after i remove the useless routes i have internet and local network
[19:26] <_ruben> galaga: then remove the faulty gateway line to start with
[19:26] <_ruben> you only need one, not one per interface
[19:28] <galaga> ok lemme see..
[19:30] <galaga> that was it!! thankyou a lot
[21:36] <soren> Have any of you guys used iscsitarget succesfully?
[21:44] <guille_> hi
[22:24] <Faust-C> howdy
[22:24] <Faust-C> soren, not on ubuntu but ive used it before
[22:28] <soren> Faust-C: Ok. I meant on Ubuntu, so.. :)
[22:28] <soren> Besides, it seems it might be open-iscs htat doesn't like me.
[22:28] <Faust-C> should work but it is a pita to mess w/
[22:28] <Faust-C> thats why i used openfiler w/ it
[22:31] <yann2> there is a bug on openiscsi that say you cant initiate two connections at the same time, but you're probably aware of it?
[22:33] <yann2> Faust-C > can you tell me more about openfiler? I dont understand, is it opensource?
[22:34] <emretemp> ust be a real domain adress? for example i use "debianDesktop" as my hostname, nothing bad ever happened. but im just curious. thx in adv
[22:34] <Faust-C> yann2, yeah openfiler is a SAN/NAS linux distro
[22:34] <yann2> is it good?
[22:34] <Faust-C> emretemp, if your not on a domain it doesnt matter
[22:34] <Faust-C> yann2, yeah for most needs
[22:34] <Faust-C> can auth to AD a lil simpler
[22:35] <yann2> I guess I'll give it a  try
[22:35] <yann2> what is it based on? does it do snapshots?
[22:35] <Faust-C> yann2, based on, i forgot the name
[22:36] <Faust-C> but yes it has snapshots if you use LVM
[22:36] <Faust-C> rpath
[22:36] <Faust-C> its based on rpath
[22:37] <yann2> https://project.openfiler.com/tracker/ticket/835 uhuh
[22:38] <yann2> I'll give it a try :)
[22:38] <yann2> too bad they dont provide qemu images
[22:39] <Faust-C> yann2, btw that bug is old, look in forum for the howto
[22:40] <yann2> i read about another one like this can't remember the name
[22:41] <yann2> gave up in the end as the / couldnt be on the same physical disk as the data
[22:41] <Faust-C> you dont want to do that anyways
[22:41] <Faust-C> i have 5 hdd's
[22:42] <Faust-C> one install, then 2 raid1 w/ LVM totalling 2TB
[22:44] <yann2> why dont you want to do that? :)
[22:44] <Faust-C> if install hdd goes down you want to have data secure at least (or vice versa)
[22:45] <yann2> anyway we'll see... we may buy a big server with plenty of disks next year, this could be a solution
[22:45] <Faust-C> yep
[22:45] <yann2> well idea is there is raid so it doesnt go down so easily :P
[22:47] <Faust-C> yeah but dont mix data w/ install
[22:47] <Faust-C> data gets more I/O usually
[22:49] <yann2> so install shouldnt hurt ^^
[22:49] <Faust-C> heh youre missing the point
[22:49] <Faust-C> anyways laters folks
[22:49] <yann2> bye, thx for the link :)
[23:00] <Albertein> hi guys, could you provide a guide to configure a ubuntu installation to relay mail messages? i've already have a exchange server but i want to do email filtering trought spamassassin, so i wanted to install postfix to relay all mail to my existent maiil server except the ones detected as spam by spamassassin
[23:02] <Albertein> i tried just a simple proxy (spampd) before trying postfix but i want to reject spam messages and store them in a file or in a mailbox and it seems to not support it, that's why i tought of postfix
[23:07] <AlbertEin> hi guys, could you provide a guide to configure a ubuntu installation to relay mail messages? i've already have a exchange server but i want to do email filtering trought spamassassin, so i wanted to install postfix to relay all mail to my existent maiil server except the ones detected as spam by spamassassin
[23:07] <AlbertEin> i tried just a simple proxy (spampd) before trying postfix but i want to reject spam messages and store them in a file or in a mailbox and it seems to not support it, that's why i tought of postfix
[23:07] <LoveGuru> Hi, is there any gud guide to install/configure proftpd server in ubuntu 8.10. Thankx.
[23:08] <AlbertEin> hi guys, could you provide a guide to configure a ubuntu installation to relay mail messages? i've already have a exchange server but i want to do email filtering trought spamassassin, so i wanted to install postfix to relay all mail to my existent maiil server except the ones detected as spam by spamassassin
[23:08] <AlbertEin> i tried just a simple proxy (spampd) before trying postfix but i want to reject spam messages and store them in a file or in a mailbox and it seems to not support it, that's why i tought of postfix
[23:08] <AlbertEin> sorry if that weas duplicated, i was having problems with nickserv and i didn't knew if the message was sent
[23:08] <LoveGuru> AlbertEin: keep patience, if someone around here definitly they will help ya.
[23:09] <AlbertEin> sorry LoveGuru i tought the message hadn't arrived because i was not identified with nickserv
[23:09] <LoveGuru> AlbertEin: thats fine.. if u are not identify with nickserv just make sure channel modes are not +RM
[23:10] <LoveGuru> then u can talk if ur not identifiy.
[23:10] <LoveGuru> *y
[23:12] <Deeps> AlbertEin: not a fan of running mailservers myself, but off the top of my head, i suspect it's not as easy as you're hoping
[23:13] <Deeps> you may need to go as far as altering your public MX records so that the primary mailserver is your postfix box, which is configured with spamassassin
[23:13] <AlbertEin> Deeps: there's no problem with the dns, i only have a single public ip, so everything it's done with nat on my gateway
[23:13] <Deeps> and then also have that postfix server not believing it is the primary MX server, so that once it's done, it relays it onto the exchange server
[23:14] <Deeps> how you'd actually go about doing any of that i dunno, but thats how it would seem to make sense in my head
[23:15] <AlbertEin> Deeps: yup, it's the second step which i don't know where to start
[23:15] <Deeps> google 'ubuntu postfix spamassassin' for that step
[23:15] <Deeps> and 'ubuntu postfix secondary/slave/something-relevant-here' for the next step
[23:15] <Deeps> and muddle your way through
[23:16] <Deeps> LoveGuru: apt-get install proftpd, and it'll be setup so that system users can connect and login using their normal user/pass and have full perms on their homedirs (and cant see outside of that iirc)
[23:17] <Deeps> LoveGuru: anything more advanced, google 'ubuntu proftpd <keyword>', replacing keyword with whatever fancy feature you're wanting
[23:19] <LoveGuru> Deeps: well im trying by that way.. as u said.. after setup my system users can access in my system but somehow it won't... " http://pastebin.com/d7c145e43 " im trying to test my ftp server by Gene6 FTP server.
[23:20] <LoveGuru> its " PASV " ports problem?
[23:21] <LoveGuru> i didn't open or add that ports yet in my conf.
[23:21] <Deeps> doesn't look like it's getting even that far
[23:21] <Deeps> looks like your client is sending custom commands to the server that it doesn't understand
[23:21] <Deeps> s/custom/non-standard/
[23:22] <Deeps> or rather, the website's ftptest is testing for a g6 ftp server, which it's not finding
[23:22] <LoveGuru> i think ur right. becoz when i m trying to access from windows DOS prompt it works fine.
[23:23] <ScottK> AlbertEin: What you want is postfix, amavisd-new, and spamassassin.
[23:25] <AlbertEin> ScottK: actually i could live
[23:25] <AlbertEin> ScottK: thanks, i', going to check it out, but what i'm conserning now is to make postfix to relay all mail
[23:26] <ScottK> AlbertEin: Working as an anti-spam gateway in front of Exchange is a pretty standard task for Postfix.
[23:27] <AlbertEin> ScottK: unfourtanly i can't seem to find documentation to make postfix work =p
[23:27] <Deeps> http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-spamsnake-ubuntu-8.04
[23:27] <Deeps> looks relevant
[23:28] <ScottK> Deeps: Yes, but I'd start with the official documentation.
[23:29] <AlbertEin> thank you, i'll read it, seems like man transport 5 could help
[23:29] <ScottK> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/postfix.html and https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/mail-filtering.html
[23:29] <ScottK> AlbertEin: ^^
[23:29]  * ScottK needs to run off for a while.
[23:29] <Deeps> my bad, i (shoudn't have) assumed he'd looke through that already
[23:30] <AlbertEin> actually i glanced that, but it seems to make postfix the main smtp server instead of a relay gateway
[23:33] <ScottK> The relay part is easy if you get the rest
[23:38] <AlbertEin> well, if you say so i'm going to configure it as a main server first
[23:39] <AlbertEin> and work on that