[00:59] <TomJaeger> When are we going to see an xserver 1.6.0 beta in jaunty, and is there a way I can help speed this up?
[03:50] <bryce_> tjaalton: I've written a page on how to do git-bisect for X in ubuntu.  Would you mind reviewing it?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bisecting
[03:50] <bryce_> (my git-fu is not strong; there might be better ways to explain the process)
[04:24] <superm1> bryce_, you still here?
[04:24] <bryce_> yep, in and out
[04:24] <superm1> just a quick q about BART
[04:25] <superm1> http://bart.gov/schedules/bylineresults.aspx?route=11&date=12%2F4%2F2008 . those times listed, so say the last one for bay fair is 1:02, does that mean that one runs all the way to milbrae still, you board at bay fair at 1:02?
[04:25] <superm1> just wanted to make sure i've planned ahead to understand when to be back to the BART stop at for uds
[04:25] <superm1> (er for the days before uds)
[04:27] <superm1> bryce_, that howto on git biset looks useful. i've not known how to use git bisect myself, but that looks to explain it well
[04:34] <bryce_> yeah I don't know much about the end times for the bart.  I tended to use it only for getting to/from work and didn't push the late times
[04:35] <bryce_> superm1: yeah, I know upstream often asks to do git bisecting, but ubuntu users find it a bit technically perplexing, so having it documented like we do for backtracing could only help
[04:36] <bryce_> this is particularly aimed at our OEM team, since they're very often wishing to backport fixes for earlier releases (esp. hardy)
[04:48] <superm1> ah right
[08:25] <tjaalton> bryce: looks good, I've bisected mesa once
[09:08] <wgrant> tjaalton: You seem to have a duplicate account on LP (~tepsipakki; some packages are showing up with that as the uploader)
[09:15] <bryce> http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/Photos/Woodworking/Desk/ <-- some photos of recent work on my desk :-)
[09:16] <wgrant> bryce: Oh, it's done?
[09:18] <bryce> wgrant: yep!
[09:19] <bryce> I'm sitting at it right now :-)
[09:19] <wgrant> bryce: Not bad. It's nice and shiny.
[09:22] <bryce> yep, went kind of mad with the varnishing ;-)
[09:23] <bryce> more importantly, it's extremely solid.  I'm happy with it.  Nice to be back on a normal desktop with a couple big dual heads :-)
[09:23] <bryce> been stuck on only a laptop for the last month
[09:24] <wgrant> It also looks remarkably straight for a piece of home-built furniture.
[09:26] <bryce> yeah, the angle the wall makes is not exactly 90 degrees, so getting it all to fit in, be level, and be straight, was quite challenging
[09:26] <wgrant> Oh, ouch.
[09:35] <tjaalton> wgrant: yes, I changed that a year ago, now I've removed  tepsipakki@ email and waiting for tjaalton@u.c
[09:37] <tseliot> tjaalton: what or who is/was tepsipakki? Or what does it mean?
[09:38] <tjaalton> tseliot: my nickname in certain circles :)
[09:39] <tjaalton> tepsi = TPS (the hockey team I cheer), pakki=defenseman
[09:39] <bryce> nite
[09:39] <tjaalton> night bryce, the desk looks nice :)
[09:39] <wgrant> Night bryce 
[09:40] <tseliot> very nice :-)
[09:40] <wgrant> tjaalton: But you should probably merge the account...
[09:40] <tseliot> night bryce
[09:40] <tjaalton> wgrant: how?
[09:40] <wgrant> tjaalton: https://launchpad.net/~tepsipakki, there's a link there.
[09:40] <tjaalton> oh
[09:43] <tjaalton> well, msg'd jpds about it
[09:43] <tjaalton> since tepsipakki@ doesn't seem to work anymore
[09:44] <tjaalton> so I can't merge the accounts :)
[09:47] <tjaalton> oh, it does work
[09:48] <tjaalton> done now
[09:48] <tjaalton> so it's not wise to remove the address from my list of addresses
[22:26] <tjaalton> bryce: ping? should I blueprint'ify xserver-1.6 etc? can't figure out what talk to host otherwise (unless you have suggestions) :)
[22:26] <bryce> tjaalton: yep that sounds good
[22:27] <tjaalton> bryce: ok, good. maybe xorg-jaunty is better
[22:27] <bryce> are there any other major changes we intend for X this go around?
[22:27] <bryce> so far mostly the blueprints are for toolsmithing type stuff
[22:27] <bryce> oh also I had a question for you, non-X related
[22:28] <bryce> I'm merging nfs-utils and there is a patch 100-gssd-use-kernel-supported-enctypes.diff
[22:28] <bryce> I've refreshed it to apply to the new release, but I'm wondering if it's still necessary?
[22:28] <bryce> tjaalton: I emailed kevin coffman and here is his reply:
[22:29] <bryce> Hi Bryce!
[22:29] <bryce> This patch isn't needed.  There is still no code in the kernel to
[22:29] <bryce> return the enctype information and, as it turns out, the way we're
[22:29] <bryce> going to get this information from the kernel has changed.  (Which is
[22:29] <bryce> why this has never gone upstream.)
[22:29] <bryce> Bruce and Olga are working on a new upcall interface for gssd which
[22:29] <bryce> will include the ability to send up the supported encryption types.
[22:29] <bryce> The code to add new encryption support in the kernel (besides des) is
[22:29] <bryce> waiting on that new upcall interface to be completed...
[22:29] <bryce> HTH,
[22:29] <bryce> K.C.
[22:29] <bryce> sounds like we should drop the patch, but I wanted to doublecheck with you first
[22:30] <tjaalton> dunno really, I didn't add it originally
[22:31] <tjaalton> ..but the original changelog entry is not preserved thanks to me.. maybe launchpad helps
[22:31] <bryce> okie.  Guess if anyone needs it, they can bring it back in
[22:31] <tjaalton> yeah
[22:32] <tjaalton> I'll notice when we start testing/using nfsv4+krb5 again :)
[22:34] <tjaalton> phoronix claims that nvidia blob will support randr-1.2 soon
[22:34] <bryce> about time ;-)
[22:34] <bryce> did they indicate if it'd be full support?
[22:35] <bryce> iirc -fglrx said they added randr 1.2 support but left out a few functions
[22:36] <tjaalton> it didn't say
[22:36] <bryce> oh speaking of fglrx, I told amd we'd have a beta version of xserver 1.6 in alpha2 (which is immediately after uds).
[22:36] <tjaalton> I bet they are cheering
[22:36] <bryce> heh
[22:37] <bryce> well, they're going to wait on updating fglrx until that's in
[22:37] <tjaalton> probably tseliot is too :)
[22:38] <bryce> tseliot: oh btw there was a question on whether you'd be providing the newer -nvidia packages in envy for Hardy?
[22:40] <tjaalton> I got mesa master to build just fine, so we just need to update randrproto and dri2proto before it and xserver 1.6beta
[22:40] <tseliot> bryce: the problem is that I don't know how to provide it. 170 and 180 don't support geforce 5xxx series
[22:41] <tseliot> bryce: providing an upload which drops the support for certain devices can be a bit risky
[22:41] <tseliot> I need a plan
[22:41] <bryce> yeah
[22:41] <bryce> maybe something we all can chat about next week
[22:42] <tseliot> yes, right