[00:02] <cbr> uhm.. what the..
[00:02] <cbr> kopete is lacking the MSN protocol?
[00:02] <cbr> what does that mean?
[00:05] <ScottK-laptop> That means you can't use the MSN IM service with it.
[00:05] <ScottK-laptop> It'll get fixed before release.
[00:05] <cbr> uhm..
[00:06] <cbr> well, that is.. unfortunate to say the least.. any reasoning?
[00:06] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[00:06] <ScottK-laptop> Stuff gets broken and out of synch all the time during developmet.
[00:06] <ScottK-laptop> If you aren't comfortable with that, the you should't run the development release.
[00:07] <cbr> i'm not being ungrateful, just unpleasantly surprised
[00:07] <ScottK-laptop> In this case some of the underlying stuff got broken out into a separate library that needed packagig
[00:07] <cbr> oh, and what is akonadi?
[00:07] <ScottK-laptop> That takes time, which we will get done, just not right awway
[00:07] <ScottK-laptop> It's a data store service.  Essentially a mysql wrapper
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> ScottK-laptop: libmsn is being mentored into existance in Debian though. Once it's in Debian main all we should need to do is sync it
[00:08] <cbr> can't i use kmail without installing it?
[00:08] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Right.
[00:08] <ScottK-laptop> cbr: In KDE 4.1 in Intrepid you can.
[00:08] <cbr> because, well, running a mysql server on my laptop kind of bugs me
[00:08] <ScottK-laptop> cbr: Jaunty is totally unsuitable for any kind of regular use.
[00:09] <cbr> yeah, that's why i'm using it
[00:09] <Hobbsee> ScottK-laptop: don't say that, i plan to upgrade at UDS :P
[00:09] <ScottK-laptop> cbr: One of the TODO items is to work with the server team to reduce the footprint of the needed mysql bits.
[00:10] <cbr> i come from a background of gentoo and debian unstable/experimental
[00:10] <ScottK-laptop> But if it bothers you in the meantime, I'm gonna mention Intrepid again ...
[00:10] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[00:10] <cbr> i'll be uninstalling kmail then
[00:12] <cbr> does anybody know anything about OO.o 3.0 status in ubuntu?
[00:12] <Hobbsee> yes.  jaunty only
[00:13] <cbr> i kind of dislike the new oxygen theme
[00:13] <cbr> they took away the nice scrollbars :(
[00:13] <cbr> bloo
[00:15] <cbr> global shortcuts work again though
[00:15] <cbr> hurray
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> Being able to always have a two-row taskmanager is a big plus for me
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> now if only the default theme could handle a two-row systray at a reasonable size
[00:17] <cbr> and performance monitoring plasmoids
[00:17] <cbr> be still my heart
[00:18] <cbr> uhuh
[00:18] <cbr> plasma just crashed
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> I need a screenshot plasmoid so I can take a picture of widgets-on-screensaver
[00:22] <cbr> pressing printscrn launches ksnapshot now
[00:22] <cbr> awesome
[00:24] <cbr> seems like kmix has a volume OSD now too
[00:24] <cbr> just that it shows 0% all the time
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> It's had that since Intrepid
[00:26] <cbr> appeared for me in the beta
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I wonder if the patch to fix the osd was ever forward-ported to the 4.2 packages...
[00:26] <cbr> first time
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> really?
[00:26] <cbr> yup
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> huh, weird
[00:27] <cbr> maybe i didnt have the quite latest 4.1.2 revisions installed
[00:28] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Does printscrn work for you in Intrepid?
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> cbr: it was in the release announcement: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/8.10-release
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> I can only get alt+printscr to work
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> maybe I need to reset my config for hotkeys
[00:29] <ScottK-laptop> Neither work for me.
[00:29] <cbr> JontheEchidna: oh..
[00:29] <cbr> well, i'm happy that i finally have it
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> :P
[00:29] <cbr> even if it doesnt work :p
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> I know that there was a bug where it would only change volumeif kmix was set to the PCM channel
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> it was fixed in our KDE 4.1.3 packages, but I think there's a chance it hasn't been added to our jaunty/intrepid KDE 4.2 packages
[00:31] <cbr> the keyboard shortcut mess seems to be a bit more cleaned up in 4.2
[00:31] <cbr> so i had to reassign some
[00:32] <cbr> the plasma desktop b0rkage is still there though.. need to disable composite in xorg.conf again, i guess
[00:32]  * JontheEchidna digs around in .kde for hotkeys/shortcut configs
[00:33] <cbr> anyway, it's way past my sleep time
[00:33] <cbr> damn u kde
[00:34] <cbr> bye
[01:21] <birkof> hi all :)
[01:21] <birkof> everyone using dimap on kmail?
[01:21] <birkof> i've a weird problem since kde4.1: no subfolders are shown, just inbox
[01:21] <birkof> update to 4.1.80 (aka 4.2 beta1) didn't help
[01:21] <birkof> subscription dialogs (local and on the server) is ok, i see all the subfolders correctly
[01:21] <birkof> i'm googled around, but seems that i'm the only having this problem
[01:21] <birkof> server is a dovecot with courier compatibility enabled
[01:21] <birkof> I recreated the cache, unsubscribed and subcreibed, recreated the cache but, still no subfolders
[01:21] <birkof> any idea? kmail is unusable for me without disconnected imap (while imap works just fine)
[01:21] <birkof> if you need more info i'm here :)
[01:21] <birkof> tia
[01:49] <birkof> bye :(
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/jJmdv3mI.html <3
[02:26] <ScottK-laptop> Nice.
[03:25] <FireRabbit> could a newer version of pkg-kde-tools be added the the kubuntu-experimental ppa? the current version can't be installed along with kdelibs5-dev
[03:26] <jussio1> FireRabbit: I installed it with the force all - it just wants it to overwirte a file iirc
[03:30] <FireRabbit> ah yeah i guess its not a big deal. thanks
[03:32] <ScottK> jussio1: Well it'd be better for us to fix the bug.
[03:32] <ScottK> Is this a problem in Jaunty too?
[03:33] <jussio1> ScottK: true! but I was offering a workaround ;)
[03:38] <FireRabbit> ScottK: nope seems to work in jaunty
[07:16] <apachelogger> volunteers for Koffice 2 beta 4 packaging?
[07:30]  * NCommander fiddles with KDE bindings
[07:41] <FireRabbit> hey NCommander i've been trying to adopt the debian kdebindings package to work on ubuntu
[07:41] <NCommander> FireRabbit, from sid or unstable?
[07:42] <apachelogger> nice
[07:42] <apachelogger> NCommander: bug 301799
[07:43] <NCommander> Oh this
[07:43] <apachelogger> NCommander: most likely caused by one of your SRUs
[07:43] <FireRabbit> NCommander: experimental
[07:43] <apachelogger> all of KDE 3 apps need to be recommiled pretty much
[07:43] <NCommander> apachelogger, a lot of KDE3 apps can't be compiled period
[07:43] <NCommander> Take a look at basket for the chief example
[07:44] <apachelogger> NCommander: they are not in intrepid at all then
[07:44] <apachelogger> amarok and k3b need to be recommiled at the very least
[07:44] <apachelogger> typos--
[07:44] <NCommander> Do a bump upload :-)
[07:45] <NCommander> I think I'll have kde4bindings for you soonish
[07:45]  * apachelogger is at work
[07:45] <NCommander> If you can sponsor, I can cook the patches and give you a debdiff and changelog :-)
[07:45] <apachelogger> we haz 3 possible sponsors in here, there should be one who can :P
[07:46] <NCommander> \o/
[07:46] <FireRabbit> NCommander: I talked to Riddell and he agreed that we should use the debian package. i was able to build it  fine on my computer but failed on the ppa.. so i've gotta keep poking at it.
[07:46] <NCommander> FireRabbit, kde4bindings is evil :-)
[07:46] <NCommander> One of the smoke bindings is currently broken
[07:46] <NCommander> Remember to turn it off
[07:46] <apachelogger> pim is as evil
[07:46] <FireRabbit> NCommander: which?
[07:47] <apachelogger> -DENABLE_PHONON_SMOKE=OFF
[07:47] <NCommander> thanks
[07:47] <FireRabbit> ahaha!
[07:47] <NCommander> FireRabbit, that binding builds fine in intrepid
[07:47] <NCommander> Broken in jaunty
[07:47] <FireRabbit> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20222948/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.kdebindings_4%3A4.1.3-3~ppa0_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[07:47] <FireRabbit> that explains this
[07:48] <NCommander> yes, that will
[07:48] <NCommander> Remember, kdebindings from Debian is kde4bindings in sid
[07:48] <NCommander> er
[07:48] <NCommander> jaunty
[07:48] <FireRabbit> they are different packages
[07:48] <apachelogger> ok
[07:48] <FireRabbit> the ubuntu one isn't based on the one in debian experimental
[07:48] <NCommander> No, that I know
[07:48] <apachelogger> that doesn't make sense
[07:48] <NCommander> Just remember the name of the package changed in Ubuntu
[07:48] <apachelogger> FireRabbit: why is the version 4.1.3?
[07:49] <FireRabbit> oh the name, yes
[07:49] <NCommander> FireRabbit, second note, we have KDE betas in the archive for jaunty
[07:49] <apachelogger> *nod* merging against 4.1.80 makes more sense from my POV ;-)
[07:49] <FireRabbit> nod. i'm using the kubuntu-experimental ppa for intrepid
[07:49] <NCommander> +1 apachelogger
[07:50] <FireRabbit> so i'm testing everything against 4.1.80
[07:50] <apachelogger> you should be testing against jaunty
[07:50] <NCommander> apachelogger, I'm working of a modified kde4bindings that looks promising on ARM
[07:50] <FireRabbit> apachelogger: well, i am doing that too.
[07:50] <apachelogger> okies
[07:50]  * NCommander is going to downgrade to intrepid for UDS
[07:50] <FireRabbit> i have a selfish goal of getting this working for intrepid too :)
[07:50] <apachelogger> NCommander: reviewing all these changes to bindings is going to be fun :D
[07:51] <NCommander> apachelogger, get my patch in first so ARM is fixed, THEN monkey around w/ the packaging :-)
[07:51] <apachelogger> :P
[07:51] <NCommander> apachelogger, as an aside, I made it lintian clean
[07:51] <NCommander> :-)
[07:51] <apachelogger> NCommander: not for long
[07:51] <NCommander> apachelogger, yeah well, lintian errors irk me
[07:51]  * apachelogger did that 3 times in the intrepid cycle
[07:51] <NCommander> apachelogger, well, it was only two minor errors
[07:51] <apachelogger> NCommander: you get used to ignore them ;-)
[07:52] <NCommander> As a great MOTU once said
[07:52] <NCommander> "Lets not unplug the warnings lights without good reason"
[07:52] <apachelogger> sounds weird
[07:52]  * NCommander unplugs apachelogger 
[07:52] <glade88> is it kde 4.2 that provides a separate "wine" category in kmenu (as it was found in "lost and found" in kde 4.1.3 ?
[07:52] <apachelogger> only when a warning becomes an error  it is concerning :P
[07:53] <apachelogger> no
[07:53] <apachelogger> it is apachelogger-patched-the-shit-out-of-the-debian-patch
[07:53] <NCommander> \o/
[07:53] <glade88> :p
[07:53] <apachelogger> that said, rgreening should prepare a SRU
[07:53]  * apachelogger doesn't really feel like messing with that kind of stuff with the limited time he got
[07:53]  * glade88 includes appachelogger's patch name in his kde 4.2 review :p
[07:54] <apachelogger> \o/
[07:55] <glade88> meh.. this "transferring" and "examining" can get on the nerves
[07:57] <FireRabbit> apachelogger: i do not know why the version is 4.1.3... ill find out from the debian dudes
[07:58] <apachelogger> FireRabbit: well, they didn't package beta1
[07:58] <apachelogger> in fact they won't package any pre 4.2.0 release AFAIK
[07:59] <FireRabbit> oh i see. right. well, i'm going to get 4.1.3 working first, then move onto 4.1.80
[08:01] <glade88> apachelogger: umm, what does "Preview this file"
[08:01] <glade88> oops
[08:01] <glade88> apachelogger: umm, what does "Preview this file" in conext menu do?
[08:01] <apachelogger> FireRabbit: that is a bad idea
[08:02] <apachelogger> FireRabbit: .80 is completely different, anything ungenericish you fix in 4.1.3 will be a completely pointless change for .80
[08:02] <apachelogger> glade88: what context menu
[08:02] <FireRabbit> ah I see. well, I haven't had to change anything so far. ill be done with this shortly
[08:03] <glade88> right click context menu for image files
[08:03] <apachelogger> glade88: I don't have that
[08:04] <glade88> it has an unknown icon.. a black one with an eye (not gwenview ofcourse)
[08:05] <glade88> and wow! transition between tooltips is awesome!
[08:09] <glade88> apachelogger: 1 more thing (As this is all going in the review). anti aliasing for text file preview has been introduced?
[08:10] <apachelogger> dunno
[08:10] <glade88> or is it just the zooming that causes the font smoothening :/
[08:10] <glade88> ohk
[08:19] <apachelogger> Does anyone know anything about the pkg-kde-tools riddell introduced?
[09:34] <hunger> yeah! kde 4.2 beta on jaunty finaly runs for me.
[09:35] <hunger> One question though: Where did all the konqueror plugins go?
[09:58] <apachelogger> hunger: maybe the package needs to be updated to be compatible with 4.2
[09:59] <apachelogger> that is ... if the plugins SVN is compatible at all
[10:18] <glade88> apachelogger: will you be making more frequent commits on nightly than the neta?
[10:18] <glade88> s/neta/beta
[10:19] <apachelogger> glade88: I don't understand the question
[10:19] <apachelogger> nightly is built every 3 times a week IIRC
[10:19]  * glade88 fetches link
[10:19] <apachelogger> -every
[10:19] <glade88> apachelogger: http://forum.kde.org/the-latest-and-greatest-t-18219.html#pid23216
[10:20] <NCommander> apachelogger, where's the kde4bindings repo
[10:21] <apachelogger> ~kubuntu-members/kdebindings/ubuntu
[10:23] <apachelogger> glade88: still don't get it
[10:23] <apachelogger> there are no commits to nightly
[10:23] <glade88> oO
[10:23] <apachelogger> nightly is concepted to be self-maintaining
[10:23] <glade88> ok.. well, you'd be making changes to nightly, right?
[10:23] <apachelogger> yes
[10:23] <apachelogger> once every cycle
[10:24] <glade88> and is that cycle same for the beta?
[10:24] <apachelogger> ubuntu cycle
[10:24] <glade88> or will you make a change, test it and then push it to the beta
[10:24] <apachelogger> neon is _unaltered_ KDE
[10:24] <glade88> no no, not that change. the user on the forum asks for changes like fixes and wishlist additions
[10:25] <glade88> heh, he want a more "unstable" version of kde on his box
[10:25] <apachelogger> exactly
[10:25] <apachelogger> _unaltered_ KDE
[10:25] <NCommander> apachelogger, you got commits
[10:25] <apachelogger> whatever gets commited to KDE trunk ends up in neon
[10:25] <apachelogger> NCommander: aye
[10:25] <glade88> apachelogger: I see..
[10:25]  * glade88 goes to modify his comment
[10:26] <apachelogger> whatever gets commited to KDE trunk ends up in Kubuntu, but only once KDE releases them
[10:26] <apachelogger> that is pretty much the point of nightly packages which represent ongoing builds of the current SVN state ;-)
[10:27] <apachelogger> unlike released version which only represent the source state at a certain datetime and get a bit polished up by distributions
[10:27] <glade88> bit polished as in tested, fixed and released.. hm
[10:29] <apachelogger> well, releases are not bug free, distributions add a couple of patches to either make the release work better on the specific distribution or to fix some grave issues that appear in the release
[10:30] <glade88> apachelogger: we cannot still report 4.2 bugs can we?
[10:30] <glade88> since I again am ready with my largely annoying bug reports
[10:30] <glade88> ;)
[10:30] <apachelogger> glade88: go to bugs.kde.org with them :P
[10:30] <glade88> my bad..
[10:30] <apachelogger> unless you are sure they are kubuntu-only
[10:30] <glade88> does seem like
[10:30] <glade88> *doesnt
[10:31] <apachelogger> glade88: bugs that only apply to KDE itseulf but get reported in launchpad make bug triage more difficult
[10:31] <glade88> well, this one is again related to plasma..
[10:32] <apachelogger> poor plasma, always gets a beating from you :P
[10:32] <glade88> so thats kdebase-workspace, so upstream it is
[10:32] <glade88> :D
[10:32] <apachelogger> glade88: well, the package doesn't mean it is an upstream bug really
[10:32] <glade88> so how do I determine that it actually isnt related to kubuntu?
[10:32] <apachelogger> you guess ;-)
[10:33] <glade88> thats convenient
[10:33] <glade88> :)
[10:33] <apachelogger> example kubuntu bug: package libplasma doesn't install because it conflicts with kdebase-workspace || example upstream bug: plasma applets scale in an unusable manner
[10:33] <hunger> glade88: If you want to be more systematic you can always build kde trunk from SVN and test whether the issue is in the code build from there as well.
[10:34] <apachelogger> or neon
[10:34] <apachelogger> it's unaltered trunk anyway
[10:34]  * apachelogger writes mail about bzr
[10:34] <glade88> that would be better.. I have neon anyway.. i'd confirm there and file on upstream, if it's there
[10:34] <hunger> glade88: When you grab the code you can also use it to come up with a patch, too:-)
[10:35] <apachelogger> ^_^
[10:36]  * glade88 starts downloading sources
[10:36] <apachelogger> glade88: also, just because the bug is not present in neon/kde trunk doesn't mean its a kubuntu one ;-)
[10:37] <apachelogger> it might just have been fixed already
[10:37] <apachelogger> as I said, it is a lot about guessing :P
[10:37] <glade88> heh.. I'll file it both on LP, and link it to my upstream report
[10:37] <apachelogger> also sensible
[10:38] <apachelogger> glade88: you still would annoy someone though ;-)
[10:38] <apachelogger> either the bug is ubuntu-specific in which case KDE gets annoyed, or it is KDE-specific in which case ubuntu gets annoyed
[10:39] <glade88> wow..  I suddenly feel that I would love to live with the bug =)
[10:39] <apachelogger> perfect
[10:40]  * apachelogger compiles latest nm applet
[10:40] <glade88> but anyway, *this* is surely upstream.. probably reported before. click on plasma menu, click "lock widgets", again, click "unlock" again and again and the plasma menu becomes wider and wider
[10:40] <glade88> I'll see if I can patch this one
[10:51] <apachelogger> glade88: do you have an audiocd at hand?
[10:52] <glade88> probably..
[10:52] <apachelogger> glade88: could you please check if kde bug 169243 is fixed in beta1
[10:52] <apachelogger> or neon
[10:53] <apachelogger> though neon might not be compiled with vorbis/flac support... so beta1 would be better
[10:53] <glade88> sure.. a min
[10:56] <apachelogger> Nightrose: when is ETA for the tarball?
[10:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger: a few minutes
[10:57] <Nightrose> well around 30 i guess
[10:57] <apachelogger> okies, I won't be home before 12:30 UTC anyway
[10:58] <glade88> apachelogger: sorry, the only audio cd doesnt work.. dvds work fine though.. (doesnt work as in not even recognized -- prpbably bad cd/drive)
[10:58] <apachelogger> hm, ok, I
[10:58] <apachelogger> will test once I am home
[10:58] <apachelogger> glade88: thanks though
[10:58] <glade88> yw
[11:01] <glade88> apachelogger: cd works when accessed via dolphin @ root, strange. and the two folders show files in them
[11:01] <apachelogger> permission issue
[11:01] <glade88> probably.. same for all *CDs..
[11:02] <apachelogger> glade88: when you run `groups` what does it spit out?
[11:02] <glade88> sayak admin
[11:02] <apachelogger> yeah, there is missing a bunch of stuff :P
[11:03] <apachelogger> glade88: you need to be in the cdrom group to access CDs
[11:03] <glade88> ah... I added this user manually.. /me checks
[11:04] <apachelogger> adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev
[11:04] <apachelogger> sudo adduser sayak adm
[11:04] <apachelogger> sudo adduser sayak dialout
[11:04] <apachelogger> etc.
[11:04] <apachelogger> that should take of the most important stuff
[11:04] <apachelogger> *take care
[11:05] <apachelogger> Does anyone know about the state of k3b?
[11:05] <glade88> ah ty.. added em
[11:09] <apachelogger> NCommander: btw, what do you think about automizing the ppa uploads?
[11:09] <NCommander> Automating how?
[11:10] <apachelogger> well, I upload the packages anyway
[11:10] <apachelogger> should be easy enough to run a cron job on the server to upload with ~ppaDATETIME everytime the .dsc changes
[11:30] <NCommander> You could create an LP account thats a member of the groups with a special GPG key to do just that
[11:30] <NCommander> if you set the key with no password and -k*keyid* it will sign automaticially
[11:32] <_Groo_> hi2/all
[11:32] <_Groo_> anyone alive?
[11:35] <_Groo_> anyone responsible for the kdenetwork package for kde 4.2 beta1 alive?
[11:46] <apachelogger> NCommander: yeah, that is how neon is working
[11:46] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hi apacheloog
[11:46] <apachelogger> lo
[11:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i remake the kdenetwork packeg for kde 4.2 beta1
[11:47] <_Groo_> with suport for libmsn (i did the package also)
[11:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: but although the cmake finds the lib, and tells me it was compiled, kopete still doesnt allow the creation of msn accounts
[11:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: did i miss anything?
[11:48] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:48] <apachelogger> do I look like google? :P
[11:49] <apachelogger> _Groo_: did you add the new files to kopete.install?
[11:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hmmm gonna check that.. and no, you dont look like google.. more like apache
[11:49] <Trouble> lol
[11:50] <_Groo_> apachelogger: do you want me to submit the libmsn packge to you guys?
[11:50] <Trouble> apachelogger, Please can you give me a recipe for Lasagne?
[11:50] <_Groo_> maybe the entire kdenetwork stack i changed?
[11:50] <apachelogger> ~google recipe lasagne
[11:50] <kubotu> Results for recipe lasagne: 1. Lasagna Recipes - Pasta - All Recipes: http://allrecipes.com/Recipes/Pasta/Lasagna/Main.aspx | 2. World's Best Lasagna - Allrecipes: http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Worlds-Best-Lasagna/Detail.aspx | 3. Lasagna Recipes: http://southernfood.about.com/od/lasagnarecipes/Lasagna_Recipes.htm
[11:50] <apachelogger> Trouble: http://allrecipes.com/Recipes/Pasta/Lasagna/Main.aspx
[11:50] <apachelogger> there you go
[11:50] <Trouble> You *are* Google!
[11:50] <Trouble> Thanks!
[11:51] <apachelogger> _Groo_: libmsn for now, we can't upload network until libmsn is in main anyway .... did you ever contribute a package to ubuntu?
[11:51] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i contribute to getdeb and my own ppa.. im starting to contribute now :P
[11:51] <_Groo_> apachelogger: we need to start breaking things from somewhere :P
[11:51] <apachelogger> very true
[11:52] <apachelogger> lemme look, somewhere we have a page describing how that whole process works
[11:52] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ahhh destroy from within, bill will be so pleased.. cof cof.. i mean..
[11:53] <apachelogger> lolz
[11:53] <apachelogger> as a matter of fact... it is
[11:53] <_Groo_> apachelogger: what is?
[11:54] <apachelogger> destroying from within
[11:54] <apachelogger> _Groo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[11:54] <apachelogger> please follow the workflow outlined on that page
[11:55] <apachelogger> basically: uploading to REVU -> aggregating 2 advocations -> being happy
[11:55] <apachelogger> then we can continue with gettting the package to main
[11:55] <apachelogger> but for now... I haz to leave for weekend
[11:55] <apachelogger> \o/
[11:55] <apachelogger> => home
[11:55] <Trouble> Cherrio!
[11:56] <_Groo_> apachelogger: figures :P
[11:58] <_Groo_> apachelogger: thanks apache :)
[11:58] <_Groo_> !cookie | apachelogger
[12:18]  * NCommander thinks he had bindings fixed
[12:20] <NCommander> hey Sime_
[12:25] <NCommander> apachelogger, if I can find a sponsor, any objections to getting the new kde4bindings uploaded with armel patch?
[13:49] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Add it to what's in the bzr repo and I'll have a look.
[13:50] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, not yet
[13:50] <NCommander> I found another fun issue
[13:50] <NCommander> Neomunk::Varient has no idea what a float is
[13:50] <NCommander> (it has double support)
[13:50] <NCommander> -_-;
[13:50] <NCommander> So kde4libs needs yet another round of patching
[13:50] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: We want to turn Nepomuk support off anyway
[13:50] <brownrm> I'm working through the tutorials at the kde techbase and came upon the make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.2/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/lib/libkdecore.so' error
[13:50] <NCommander> bindings still needs its headers
[13:50] <ScottK-laptop> There's a Cmake flag you can use to turn if off
[13:51] <brownrm> I've installed kde 4.1.3 from backports but it's still giving me that error
[13:51] <NCommander> We need to kill its bindings from building anyway
[13:51] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: It's broken.  Yes.  Kill it.
[13:51] <NCommander> ScottK, wish I knew that before I spent the last half an hour adding the necessary support
[13:51] <NCommander> Oh well
[13:52] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: We discussed it here yesterday.  If you'd been paying attention ....
[13:52] <NCommander> :-P
[13:52] <NCommander> That being said, kde4bindings will need a fairly large whack to the head to remove the nepomuk from headers
[13:52] <NCommander> I don't see an easy to use OFF switch
[13:52] <NCommander> er, from bindings
[13:53] <ScottK-laptop> It looks like Nepomuk_FOUND just turns the sharp stuff on/off
[13:53] <NCommander> No
[13:53] <NCommander> Looking at bindings
[13:54] <NCommander> It should turn off if its not present in kde4libs
[13:54] <NCommander> did we actually upload a kde4libs w.o nepomuk?
[13:55] <ScottK-laptop> No, but I think that points you at where the switch would be in the build system.
[13:55] <NCommander> If I give you a patch to kill nepomuk in kde4libs, care to upload?
[13:56] <NCommander> (what is nepomuk specificially anyway?)
[13:56] <hunger> NCommander: The semantic desktop stuff.
[13:56] <NCommander> And why do we want to kill it? (for the changelog)
[13:56] <hunger> NCommander: It is supposed to be able to relate your stuff with each other so that you can do things like "show me all files I ever received from a guy with the nick NCommander".
[13:56] <ScottK-laptop> Because it's broken.
[13:57] <NCommander> fair enough
[13:57] <NCommander> will it be returning at some point?
[13:57] <ScottK-laptop> Presumably
[13:57] <NCommander> Fair enough
[13:57] <smarter> heya
[13:57] <NCommander> I'll note in the changelog what changes need to be made to nepomuk
[13:59] <NCommander> That's handy
[13:59] <NCommander> Its missing an on-off switch in the kde4libs build system
[13:59] <smarter> JontheEchidna: I think you messed up something during kdenetwork build :P
[13:59] <NCommander> Bindings has the switch because newer builds will build against older kde4libs
[13:59] <smarter> JontheEchidna: kopete msn support seems to be disabled
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> smarter: yes, read the release announcement on kubuntu.org :P
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> it had to be disabled
[14:00] <smarter> oh right, forgot about that new lib
[14:00] <smarter> is someone packaging it?
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> it's going through the sponsorship process in debian
[14:00] <smarter> ok
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> once that's done we need to sync/get a MIR
[14:02] <NCommander> Given the delays on Debian NEW ...
[14:02] <NCommander> We might be waiting awhile
[14:03] <NCommander> ScottK, I'm going to finish the nepomuk patch and place it in Bazaar so until someone figures out how to rip it out of the build system, it will build on ARM properly
[14:04] <NCommander> ScottK, I'll send it upstream with the other ARM portability fixes
[14:08] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: OK.  Let me know when it's done.
[14:09] <NCommander> I thought KDE4 ran on ARM devices
[14:10] <NCommander> But I can't find anyone having successfully compiled it on it
[14:15] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: I've seen it.
[14:15] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: seele has a N810 that was running 4.1.2 at the MD Loco release party (not Kubuntu, of course).
[14:17] <Tonio_> hi there
[14:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: back from vacations ?
[14:20] <ScottK> Tonio_: I think en route to UDS.
[14:21] <smarter> hey Tonio_
[14:27] <apachelogger> nuqneH
[14:29] <jjesse> i thought he was in san fran already
[14:30] <jjesse> wasn't there a post on kde's planet in regards to staying in someone's home/office
[14:33] <apachelogger> amarok-kde4 (2.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1) intrepid; urgency=low
[14:33] <apachelogger> muhahahaha
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> nice!
[14:36] <apachelogger> well
[14:36] <apachelogger> no
[14:37] <apachelogger> Amarok] IMPORTANT NOTE: Patches for 2.0 tarball, release good to go
[14:37] <apachelogger> QA was better when I was bitching about the lack of same :P
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:02] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Starting a test build of kde4bindings with your changes.  If that's good I'll mess about with the mono stuff a bit and see if I can get it working.
[15:04] <NCommander> Wait, I committed the changes to the repo?
[15:04] <NCommander> Oh right
[15:04] <NCommander> Can I disable the nepomuk binding?
[15:04] <NCommander> If that's off, at least bindings will build on ARM
[15:07] <NCommander> ScottK, or could you?
[15:08] <JontheEchidna> we never figured out how to cast the spell to tell cmake not to build 'em
[15:14] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Go for it if you have it figured.
[15:15] <NCommander> JontheEchidna, I can unplug nepomuk if necessary
[15:25] <NCommander> ScottK, mind also doing an upload of kde4libs before uploading bindings?
[15:31] <ScottK-laptop> I thought that got uploaded yesterday?
[15:32] <NCommander> I need another patch added
[15:33]  * NCommander notes that he just added the patch so it won't get lost, I didn't actually ask for an upload :-)
[15:33] <NCommander> ScottK, I committed the change to the kde4libs bazaar repo
[15:37] <NCommander> ScottK, recommitted with the patch now ...
[15:37] <NCommander> oops
[15:38] <apachelogger> NCommander: send the patch upstream then we can just pull it in with beta2
[15:38] <NCommander> I intend to
[15:38] <NCommander> But I want these patches in Ubuntu so incase they don't get in on time we can build this on ARM
[15:40] <apachelogger> amarok.cv.weirdness.patch
[15:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you people certainly use weird patchnames :P
[15:48] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Looking
[16:09] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: This is your kde4bindings package: http://paste.ubuntu.com/80891/
[16:29] <NCommander> waot
[16:29] <NCommander> WTF?
[16:29] <NCommander> where's the build failure
[16:29] <NCommander> All I see is ld quitting
[16:30] <NCommander> (it built here ..)
[16:39] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: That's all there was.
[16:39] <ScottK-laptop> I'll try it again after kde4libs finishes
[16:39] <NCommander> I'm building it now
[16:39] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[16:39] <NCommander> I don't think I tested the combined package
[16:40] <NCommander> I applied the debdiff to the bazaar repo, and then committed that
[16:40]  * apachelogger starts mumbling about the lack of QA
[16:42] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: It didn't get uploaded.  This is the QA.
[16:42] <apachelogger> that is a one-layer QA
[16:42] <apachelogger> as seven of nine would put it: insufficient
[17:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: give everyone the huggles from me
[17:07] <Nightrose> will do :)
[17:08] <NCommander> ScottK, kde4bindings built for me no problem
[17:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thx
[17:08] <NCommander> Have you fully updated your pbuilder chroot?
[17:08] <NCommander> ScottK, I'll upload to my PPA
[17:17] <NCommander> ScottK, ping?
[17:31] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: pong
[17:32] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Trying to build kde4libs and kde4bindings may have made my poor little laptop lose it's brain.
[17:32]  * ScottK-laptop will try again when kde4libs is done.
[17:33] <NCommander> ScottK, I uploaded it to my PPA
[17:46] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Bad news: http://paste.ubuntu.com/80938/
[17:46] <NCommander> Why can't I win today
[17:51] <ScottK-laptop> Any idea why we don't build kde4libs against aspell?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/80931/
[17:54] <stdin> I guess it should, KDE3's kdelibs builds against it
[17:55] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: ^^?
[17:55] <stdin> but it does build-dep on hspell
[17:56] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: no clue, changelog doesn't tell?
[17:56]  * apachelogger would assume debian doesn't build against it either
[17:57] <ScottK-laptop> Who's at UDS?
[17:57] <ScottK-laptop> at/going
[17:57] <stdin> last entry was for 4:4.0.80-0ubuntu2 about making kdelibs5-dev depend on libaspell-dev and hspell, and before that:   * Remove depends on libaspell-dev
[17:58] <Riddell> the hope is to get rid of all spellcheckers but enchant
[17:58] <Riddell> the big plan for Ubuntu
[17:59] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  That'd be a good reason.
[18:15] <cbr> is it normal that when i insert an audio cd, kde has no idea of it
[18:15] <cbr> no options are presented etc
[18:15] <cbr> i have to use vlc to play it
[18:15] <cbr> manually
[18:19] <FireRabbit> Riddell: hey, so now that ubuntu has a newer version of kdebindings, it doesn't really make sense to try to base this package off the debian one.. what do you want to do to close the gap here? nothing for now?
[18:20] <siekacz> hi
[18:20] <FireRabbit> hi
[18:20] <siekacz> is there any way to install newtest kdenlive on (k)ubuntu?
[18:21] <cbr> omg, the systray popups are annoying.. when i start ktorrent, it outputs like 10 popups about some log files being copied
[18:21] <cbr> why do i need to know that :o
[18:22] <Riddell> FireRabbit: it still makes sense to base it off the Debian one if it's not too much work and it doesn't lose us functionality
[18:22] <Riddell> siekacz: nobody has packaged it yet as far as I know
[18:22] <siekacz> i try to install debian version
[18:23] <FireRabbit> Riddell: well, apachelogger was saying that there was a pretty major change between 4.1.3 and 4.1.80... did you create tha 4.1.80 package? do you have any thoughts on what the best way to do all this is?
[18:24] <ScottK-laptop> We have a 4.1.80 package.
[18:24] <FireRabbit> right
[18:24] <siekacz> FireRabbit, there will be only final KDE 4.2 in backorts for intrpid
[18:24] <FireRabbit> i'm talking jaunty, siekacz
[18:26] <ScottK-laptop> FireRabbit: We're currently trying to get some armel issues sorted.
[18:26] <ScottK-laptop> Updated packaging is https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebindings/ubuntu
[18:27] <FireRabbit> okay, yeah, so it doesn't sound like this is a good time to try to rebase this on debian :)
[18:28] <ScottK> OTOH, if there are incremental improvements we can adapt from the Debian package, that'd be great.
[18:29] <FireRabbit> okay. well i got a few mono fixes in the debian package yesterday. i see that the mono bindings are completely disabled in the ubuntu one... would it make sense for me to start looking into that now?
[18:30] <ScottK> FireRabbit: Absolutely.
[18:30] <FireRabbit> okay, ill start on that
[18:31] <FireRabbit> should I use that kubuntu-members branch?
[18:35] <ScottK> FireRabbit: Yes
[18:35] <FireRabbit> okay
[18:36] <FireRabbit> as far as other changes with the debian package... they don't have libkrossruby0 or libkrosspython0, at least some of these files are in their libkde-ruby / python-kde4 packages respectively. so that will be something to keep in mind in the future.
[18:36] <FireRabbit> also their source package name is different, which i guess makes some senes now since they arent the same source
[18:37] <ScottK-laptop> FireRabbit: Yes.  We'll definitely need to rationalize the differences.
[18:37] <NCommander> ScottK, kde4bindings built in a PPA
[18:38] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: OK.  Sounds like something is borked about my system.
[18:39] <FireRabbit> okay ill be back in a bit to start hacking on the mono stuff.
[18:40] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, assuming kde4libs builds, can you upload that first?
[18:40] <ephoenix> Hey everyone!!
[18:41] <ScottK-laptop> Grumble, grumble, sure.
[18:41] <NCommander> (the new kde4bindings will still FTBFS on ARM)
[18:42] <ephoenix> I still get some warnings and errors after upgrading to kde 4.2.
[18:42] <ephoenix> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.1.80-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/object-order-front.png', which is also in package koffice-data-kde4
[18:42] <siekacz> ephoenix, it is beta, right?
[18:42] <ephoenix> yes
[18:42] <ephoenix> siekacz: yes
[18:43] <ephoenix> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.1.80-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/object-order-front.png', which is also in package koffice-data-kde4
[18:43] <siekacz> ephoenix, fro where did you get kde 4.1.80 packages?
[18:45] <ephoenix> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu
[18:48] <ephoenix> Is this error from beta kde 4.2 or something prior to 4.2? And should the next beta correct this problem?
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> it's because the koffice packages are older than 4.2 beta1
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> you can uninstall the koffice packages from the other ppa for now I suppose
[18:51] <stdin> koffice packages are older than the sun
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> lol
[18:54] <ephoenix> oK, i will uninstall koffice and see if it work. I also see a number of warnings and dependcies issues
[19:06] <FireRabbit> is anyone else having problems with plasma and dual monitors with 4.2 b1?
[19:09] <fabio> <----has problem with kubuntu KDE4.2beta1 upgrade. May I ask?
[19:09] <siekacz> yes
[19:09] <fabio> many packages with unmet dependencies.
[19:10] <fabio> juk-kde4, kate,kde-plasma...
[19:10] <fabio> e.g.
[19:10] <fabio> kate: Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.80) but 4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 is installed
[19:10] <fabio>         Depends: kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.80) but 4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid4 is installed
[19:10] <fabio>         Depends: libplasma3 but it is not installed
[19:10] <fabio> and so on
[19:11] <siekacz> uninstall kde4.1
[19:11] <stdin> JontheEchidna: more work for you
[19:11] <siekacz> and install 4.2
[19:11] <fabio> ok... apt-get remove... any hint do do it in few steps?
[19:11] <siekacz> i recommend to use adept
[19:11] <stdin> you should not have to remove KDE to install KDE
[19:12] <siekacz> stdin, i'm doing it right now
[19:12] <fabio> ok...siekacz ...
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> a package probably failed to install because it tried to overwrite something
[19:12] <fabio> yes...John..
[19:13] <siekacz> synaptic didn't want to remove old kde4.1 pakcages
[19:13] <fabio> oxygen icons tried to overvrite somethingh in the koffice package...wait a moment
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> yeah, remove the koffice-kde4 packages
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> they try to install icons that are also included in KDE 4.2
[19:14] <fabio> ok...just a moment
[19:15] <siekacz> 130 KB/s - 50% after 7 min :)
[19:15] <FireRabbit> should I just file a bug about this? http://orion.extremeboredom.net/~eric/DropBox/unhappy-kubuntu4.2b1-plasma-1.png http://orion.extremeboredom.net/~eric/DropBox/unhappy-kubuntu4.2b1-plasma-2.png
[19:18] <fabio> cannot check right now...John...
[19:19] <fabio> but I am here ready to try
[19:26] <ScottK-laptop> siekacz: Please don't tell people to uninstall KDE.
[19:27] <siekacz> argh...  /var/cache/apt/archives/pkg-kde-tools_0.2ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb
[19:27] <siekacz> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:29] <siekacz> conflict with kde-sdk
[19:29] <siekacz> *kdesdk-scripts
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> yeah we're gonna have to talk to Riddell about what he wants to do with that one
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite  /var/cache/apt/archives/pkg-kde-tools_0.2ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb
[19:31] <siekacz> thx
[19:32] <fabio> ok after disinstalling koffice-kde4 I am downloading84 Mb of packages instead of 30Mb
[19:33] <siekacz> where is apt's cache, i forgot :)
[19:33] <ScottK-laptop> siekacz: /var/cache
[19:36] <siekacz> thanks
[19:36] <fabio> this is the error:
[19:37] <fabio> APT Error. Context:
[19:37] <fabio>     Running dpkg,
[19:37] <fabio>     [ /usr/bin/dpkg, --status-fd, 3, --unpack, /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4-0x1,f8ff4bfbf6204p-1494.1.80-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2_all.deb ],
[19:37] <fabio>     Sup-process returned error code 1,
[19:37] <fabio>     Error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.1.80-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2_all.deb : trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/object-order-front.png', which is also in package koffice-data-kde4.
[19:37] <fabio> Sorry for flloding
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, the actual package you were supposed to remove was koffice-data-kde4
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> or you can just do this:
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.1.80-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa2_all.deb
[19:39] <siekacz> installed :)
[19:39] <fabio> ok...John it does not work :-/
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> could you paste the output?
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> in pastebin
[19:40] <fabio> it works now!
[19:40] <siekacz> brb
[19:41] <fabio> apt-get -f  install is required
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> :)
[19:41] <fabio> error is in pkg-kde-tools_0.2ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_all...seem you have explained yet...
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite  /var/cache/apt/archives/pkg-kde-tools_0.2ubuntu2~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb
[19:42] <fabio> yes..I am doing now
[19:43] <fabio> apt-get check does return all OK.
[19:43] <fabio> Thankyou John
[19:43] <fabio> do you think this experience could be included somewhere wiki/guides....ecc
[19:46] <fabio> ok..Thankyou John
[19:47] <fabio> JontheEchidna, sorry
[19:47] <fabio> see you soon guys!
[19:57] <NCommander> hey all
[19:59]  * NCommander pokes ScottK 
[20:00]  * ScottK smacks NCommander back.
[20:00] <NCommander> kinky
[20:00] <NCommander> :-P
[20:22] <directhex> poke poke poke
[20:22] <ScottK> NCommander and FireRabbit: ^^ is working on kde4bindings stuff.
[20:23] <ScottK> FireRabbit and directhex: I think you're both working on the same thing.
[20:23] <NCommander> I just wnat it working on ARM
[20:23] <NCommander> ScottK, any chance of uploadng kde4libs soonish?
[20:23] <ScottK> [15:21] <directhex> sigh. kde4bindings fails to build - near the end, in cpp code (ie.. not my fault)
[20:23] <ScottK> NCommander: Did you tell me it built OK?
[20:23] <NCommander> ScottK, it built in my PPA
[20:23] <NCommander> both of them
[20:24] <NCommander> and bindings has a build-conflict I think, I have that issue expect in an absolute clean chroot
[20:26]  * ScottK-laptop looks at kde4libs again.
[20:26] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Would you please link me your PPA?
[20:26] <NCommander> ScottK, http://launchpad.net/~sonicmctails
[20:27] <ScottK-laptop> Note that if you highlight the nick I'm speaking from your odds of me noticing go up...
[20:28] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: You need to update your description now that you're MOTU.
[20:28] <directhex> /tmp/buildd/kde4bindings-4.1.80/csharp/nepomuk/src/nepomukhandlers.cpp:24:27: error: nepomuk/query.h: No such file or directory
[20:28] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, you told me once that your laptop highlighted on both ScottK and ScottK-laptop
[20:29] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: It's the other way around.
[20:29] <ScottK-laptop> Desktop highlights on both.
[20:29] <NCommander> oh ...
[20:29] <ScottK-laptop> Fortunately I'm sitting where I can see the desktop, so when it started blinking I noticed.
[20:34] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: I'll heave it at the archive here in a minute.
[20:35] <NCommander> My mistake
[20:35] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: ?
 Desktop highlights on both.
[20:36] <ScottK-laptop> Ah
[20:37] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: kde4libs pitched.
[20:37]  * NCommander counts down time to self-destruction
[20:44] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Pushed back to bzr too.
[20:44]  * directhex dislikes this stuff. intensely.
[20:45] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: Which stuff?
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> ~facts about kde4bindings
[20:45] <kubotu> [14/14] kde4bindings is like a giant turd that you have to push out your ass before you can do anything else
[20:45] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, the super magical autogenerated-source-except-the-bits-i-dont-feel-like of kde4bindings :/
[20:46] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.
[20:47] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: As apachelogger mentioned the other day, it'd be worth discussing with upstream splitting out the Python bindings to it's own tarball.
[20:49]  * JontheEchidna must have missed that
[20:49] <ScottK-laptop> Well I think one of you should do that.
[21:01] <chris062689> Hello!
[21:02] <ScottK> Hello
[21:02] <chris062689> What's up? :D
[21:02] <chris062689> Has anyone tried out Kubuntu 4.2b2 yet?
[21:02] <DaSkreech> Nope
[21:03] <chris062689> (excuse me, Beta 1)
[21:03] <cbr> you mean kde?
[21:03] <chris062689> Yes.
[21:03] <cbr> i'm using it
[21:03] <chris062689> KDE 4.2 b1
[21:03] <chris062689> How stable is it?
[21:03] <chris062689> Would you recomend it for everyday use?
[21:04] <cbr> well, it doesn't crash
[21:04] <cbr> plasma did once though
[21:04] <chris062689> So all of the main bugs have been fixed?
[21:04] <cbr> it's not finished yet
[21:04] <chris062689> It's not going to like, crash every hour?
[21:04] <chris062689> Well yes, I know, it's a beta.
[21:04] <cbr> the systray popup stuff is a bit raw, to say the least
[21:04] <cbr> but it doesnt crash
[21:05] <chris062689> I'm just wondering when I go into Kubuntu 8.10 to stay with 4.1 or upgrade to 4.2b
[21:05] <cbr> there's a bug in powerdevil as well, got fixed in trunk today
[21:05] <cbr> rejoice :D
[21:05] <cbr> well, they are basically the same
[21:05] <chris062689> Do they normally upgrade their packages based on trunk?  Daily images?
[21:05] <cbr> 4.2 has some more features maybe
[21:05] <cbr> who?
[21:06] <chris062689> I'm saying, is it simply beta 2 packages, or do they upgrade to trunk?
[21:06] <DaSkreech> cbr: Some features?
[21:06] <DaSkreech> Externders are dabombdigity©
[21:06] <cbr> DaSkreech: well, i suppose why is it version+1 then?
[21:06] <chris062689> KDE 4.2 has a TON of new features.
[21:06] <chris062689> Not just a few :D
[21:06] <cbr> missing a comma
[21:07] <ScottK> chris062689: If you're uncertain, stay with 4.1.  4.2 is most definitely not ready for regular production use.
[21:07] <cbr> well, it's not shockingly more featureful
[21:07] <chris062689> well, I'm decently experienced in Linux, I know the command line, compiling packages, etc.
[21:07] <chris062689> It's not like I'm a newbie.
[21:07] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: It's building all all archs now ...
[21:07] <cbr> then go for 4.2 to scratch the itch
[21:07] <chris062689> I like to live on the edge, but what I'm asking is, are those KDE 4.2 packages updated daily?  Or is it frozen at the KDE 4.2 beta 1 packages?
[21:08] <chris062689> Since I want the updates in trunk./
[21:08] <cbr> it's only the tagged code
[21:08] <cbr> no updates
[21:08] <cbr> until beta2 i suppose
[21:08] <ScottK-laptop> We'll update for beta 2
[21:08] <chris062689> Right
[21:08] <ScottK-laptop> If you want nightly, look at project Neon.
[21:08] <chris062689> That comes out.. the 18th?
[21:08] <cbr> next tuesday
[21:08] <chris062689> oh wow
[21:08] <chris062689> lol
[21:08] <cbr> is the tagging
[21:09] <chris062689> Tagging means... packages are imported in the repo?
[21:09] <cbr> it means they say "this is beta 2" at the kde camp
[21:09] <DaSkreech> chris062689: It means that KDE is saying this revision is special
[21:09] <cbr> and then distros have a week until it's announced
[21:09] <chris062689> ah.
[21:09] <ScottK-laptop> chris062689: Scheduled the 16th.
[21:09] <DaSkreech> So anytime they want to make a note of a period in time it gets tagged
[21:09] <chris062689> So Project Neon is simply a debian repo with the trunk KDE 4.2 updates....
[21:10] <chris062689> the latest KDE 4.2
[21:10] <DaSkreech> like 4.2 would be a tag that then gets a branch that gets 4.2.1 .2 .3 .4 etc
[21:10] <ScottK-laptop> chris062689: Yes.
[21:10] <ScottK-laptop> Debian/Kubuntu, but yes.
[21:10] <chris062689> Oh well, worst case senario if I screw something up, I'll just reinstall with 4.1 and keep my /home dir.
[21:10]  * ScottK-laptop needs to run off ...
[21:11] <chris062689> How well does WINE work in KDE 4?  Such as full screen games (Source engine)
[21:11] <chris062689> How well does it work with Kwin?
[21:12] <DaSkreech> chris062689: back up ~/.kde ~/.local and ~/.confg
[21:12] <chris062689> Right, I know.
[21:12] <chris062689> How well does WINE work though/
[21:13] <DaSkreech> ahhhm .. like a drunken Monkey?
[21:13] <chris062689> so, not good? :(
[21:13] <chris062689> * How well does WINE work with KDE 4?
[21:13] <cbr> why shouldnt it?
[21:14] <chris062689> well, I just figured with KDE 4 being released rather recently, WINE wouldn't work all that great with it. =/
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> wine doesn't really care
[21:16] <DaSkreech> I'm not sure why Wine would care
[21:16] <DaSkreech> I'd worry more about a nex Xlibs than KDE
[21:16] <DaSkreech> new
[21:16] <chris062689> True.
[21:16] <chris062689> Well let me slap Kubuntu 8.10 on here, and then I'll be back :D
[21:22] <smarter> "I am using the Elegance theme because it is one of the only themes I can find that lets me have a two-row systray at a reasonable size."
[21:22] <directhex> i also dislike how bloody slow it is to build
[21:22] <smarter> thanks for the tip JontheEchidna!
[21:22]  * smarter is a fan of two-row systray
[21:23] <ScottK> directhex: There are plenty of people that would thank us if we just didn't ship mono bindings ...
[21:24] <DaSkreech> smarter: use 4.2
[21:24] <smarter> I do
[21:24] <DaSkreech> oh :-(
[21:24] <DaSkreech> Wait systray
[21:24] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[21:24] <directhex> ScottK, how many of them aren't clinically insane, though?
[21:24] <DaSkreech> Does that make the extender stop pushing things around like a billy goat?
[21:24] <smarter> and with the default theme, you need a ridiculously large panel to get two-row systray
[21:47] <directhex> hm, i need a hand with this.
[21:58] <directhex> %*&@
[21:58] <directhex> it wasn't my fault
[21:59] <directhex> missing build-dep
[22:05] <directhex> and now it's behaving funny. bleh
[22:07]  * directhex cleans & rebuilds, wonders if apachelogger still exists
[22:15] <siekacz> hi
[22:15] <siekacz> kde 4.2 is so nice... :)
[22:17] <DaSkreech> Pffft
[22:17] <DaSkreech> Rubbish
[22:17] <DaSkreech> compared to KDE 4.3 :)
[22:18] <glade88> for all plasma packages, kdebase-workspace source packages are enough?
[22:20] <directhex> okay, nope, damn.
[22:20] <DaSkreech> !hi
[22:22] <directhex> ScottK, NCommander, JontheEchidna, kde4bindings is pretty buggered right now. problems outside my scope (the actual mono re-enabling things are about 5 lines of diffitude)
[22:23] <directhex> wake up at the back there, ubottu
[22:35] <chris062689> Back again :D
[22:35] <chris062689> Does installing kde-nightly clash with the regular KDE 4.1 installation?  Are my plasmoids merged?  Do my application launcher menu's get cluttered?
[22:41] <FireRabbit> ScottK: it would be awesome if upstream could split out qyoto, too
[22:43] <directhex> FireRabbit, it'd be awesome if kde4bindings (4:4.1.80-0ubuntu1) wasn't broken
[22:52] <DaSkreech> http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/843-From-the-Post-2.0.0-Git-Vaults,-Amarok-Urls-and-Bookmarks.html
[22:54] <FireRabbit> directhex: :P
[22:55] <directhex> FireRabbit, it's properly busted though. i need to talk to some clever kubuntu person. ideally apachelogger
[22:56] <FireRabbit> directhex: i was planning to start looking into what's wrong with the mono bindings, but do you know what's going on with them?
[22:56] <directhex> FireRabbit, yes.
[22:57] <FireRabbit> what's the story?
[22:58] <directhex> FireRabbit, well, first instance issue is the mono 2.0 transition - it was ftbfs as it didn't have the new build deps
[22:58] <directhex> FireRabbit, i've transitioned it, but it goes beyond just that, sadly (and not my fault, technically ;))
[23:00] <directhex> FireRabbit, apachelogger turned off the kdebase-workspace-dev build-dep, which is needed by the mono bindings (for nepomuk/query.h amongst others)
[23:00] <directhex> FireRabbit, turning THAT back on sorta breaks the whole build badly
[23:01] <FireRabbit> ah. hm, what about just building the qt mono bindings and not any of the kde stuff?
[23:01] <directhex> FireRabbit, dunno. maybe. i think it'd be better to fix the problem than just cheat
[23:02] <FireRabbit> okay. so is someone looking into the kdebase-workspace-dev issue?
[23:02] <directhex> FireRabbit, nope. nobody's here who knows the package!
[23:03] <FireRabbit> :) okay. well, ScottK was saying that this branch has the latest changes: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebindings/ubuntu does this have your mono transition changes too?
[23:04] <directhex> no. i'm unhappy committing changes i haven't (can't!) tested
[23:05] <FireRabbit> could you commit them into a branch under your account so I could take a look, please?
[23:05] <directhex> i haven't use bzr. you can have a diff & enjoy it!
[23:05] <FireRabbit> okay sure :)
[23:14] <FireRabbit> directhex: could you please post that?
[23:17] <directhex> hang on
[23:19] <FireRabbit> thanks
[23:20] <directhex> http://retro.apebox.org/moon/kdetrans.diff
[23:20] <directhex> but like i said, it's unbuildable right now due to factors outside my control
[23:20] <FireRabbit> yeah, gotcha
[23:21] <FireRabbit> thanks
[23:21] <directhex> keep me posted, so i can keep our transition wiki updated
[23:22] <FireRabbit> will do, where's that wiki?
[23:22] <directhex> http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianMonoGroup/Mono20TransitionTODO
[23:23] <FireRabbit> ah, cool thanks