| [reed] | asac / jcastro: how do I get in touch with the canonical.com webmaster? | 01:16 |
|---|---|---|
| jcastro | [reed]: matthew.nuzum@canonical.com | 01:20 |
| [reed] | thanks | 01:20 |
| fta | jcastro, still no schedule? I need to plan a meeting with a chromium dev on monday | 01:39 |
| [reed] | fta: schedule's out | 03:10 |
| [reed] | but I can't find anything Mozilla/Firefox on it | 03:10 |
| [reed] | asac: what sessions are yours? | 03:11 |
| asac | [reed]: i want to do something different this time. more like a mini sprint. i was assured that there are other rooms where we can work ... we just have to announce it somehow so others interested can join. but i think we can figure | 10:14 |
| [reed] | ah, ok | 10:14 |
| asac | where is the schedule? | 10:18 |
| [reed] | summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/ | 10:19 |
| ghj | 8-) | 11:03 |
| gnomefreak | bug 302567 | 12:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 302567 in firefox-3.0 "Right-click link in firefox opens evolution or bookmarks link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/302567 | 12:02 |
| asac | gnomefreak: dupe of the "random stuff selected on right click bug" | 12:12 |
| asac | gnomefreak: bug 187313 | 12:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 187313 in firefox "[MASTER] right click (with button release) might activate random popup-menu-item" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187313 | 12:12 |
| gnomefreak | on damn thers a master? | 12:13 |
| asac | gnomefreak: yes thats it ;) | 12:13 |
| gnomefreak | asac: thanks its fixed :) | 12:14 |
| gnomefreak | ok caught up on emails now coffee and smoke | 12:15 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| gnomefreak | oh asac the errors i was getting from tb-3 IIRC they were something like command did not succeed were due to IMAP. Is there something we can do with IMAP to make it less painful to use for everyone? | 12:52 |
| === fta_ is now known as fta | ||
| asac | gnomefreak: yes. identify the issues ;) | 12:54 |
| asac | thats the right start ;) | 12:54 |
| asac | gnomefreak: for instance: snoop the imap network traffic | 12:54 |
| gnomefreak | asac: there are too many. there should still be a shit load in tb bugs | 12:55 |
| * gnomefreak would like to find out if it is just tbird or if other mail apps have same issue | 12:55 | |
| asac | gnomefreak: most likely other mail apps have issues too ... but they usually fail on different mail setups | 12:56 |
| asac | (e.g. where tbird) succeeds | 12:56 |
| gnomefreak | of course why would it be that simple | 12:56 |
| asac | gnomefreak: then instead of identfying we could try to tag the imap related bugs | 12:56 |
| asac | so we can take a look if we can find something about them | 12:56 |
| asac | how many IMAP bugs exist? | 12:57 |
| gnomefreak | that sounds good to me. I will hit bugs in a bit. I never counted | 12:57 |
| asac | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird?field.searchtext=imap&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_packag | 12:57 |
| gnomefreak | i think that link trailed off | 12:57 |
| asac | it ends with ..._no_package? | 12:57 |
| asac | = | 12:57 |
| asac | ;) | 12:57 |
| gnomefreak | no_packag | 12:58 |
| asac | just make it a no_package= | 12:58 |
| asac | then you have all | 12:58 |
| asac | ur simply search in thunderbird package for "imap" ;) | 12:58 |
| asac | fta: why do we have official logo in shredder? | 12:59 |
| fta | do we? | 13:00 |
| asac | fta: i see that we copy it manually to the menu place. but there is no configure -branding switch ... does it mean that upstream builds official by default? | 13:00 |
| asac | fta: well ... menu ... window icon are offical | 13:01 |
| asac | fta: oh. about shredder is not | 13:01 |
| fta | i don't remember, i haven't touched it in a while | 13:01 |
| asac | fta: we should fix that then i think | 13:01 |
| asac | maybe the manual copy just needs to be dropped | 13:01 |
| fta | if it's there, there's a reason | 13:02 |
| asac | yeah. most likely there is none shipped or something like that | 13:02 |
| fta | my primary concern with tb is to make it speak smtp like mutt, so i can use it for work. | 13:05 |
| fta | same for evolution | 13:05 |
| asac | james_w: i think we need a --export-upstream-postcmd=... ;) | 13:07 |
| asac | james_w: that would allow us to run autotools stuff ... or make dist | 13:07 |
| asac | though make dist might be a bit tricky | 13:07 |
| asac | just came to my mind thats because of the cdbs + autoreconf stuff from mailing list | 13:08 |
| asac | would be better if we could get autoolized tarballs from bzr ... and most upstream rightfully dont commit autotools stuff | 13:08 |
| asac | fta: smtp? that works | 13:09 |
| asac | fta: i guess you mean sendmail ;) | 13:09 |
| asac | and maildir | 13:09 |
| asac | maildir was supported in the past ... but agreed, that was a bit broken | 13:09 |
| asac | oh ... movemail its named | 13:09 |
| asac | and its probably mailbox | 13:09 |
| asac | still supported in 3.0 | 13:10 |
| fta | no, SMTP. i need it to use RET=HDRS in the "MAIL From:" line, then send the full headers | 13:10 |
| asac | RFC 2789 | 13:13 |
| asac | hmm ... no bot support ;) | 13:13 |
| fta | asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/80836/ | 13:14 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| fta | asac, i don't see why evo/tb should not be able/allowed to do what mutt can already do | 13:28 |
| asac | fta: i didnt question that ;) ... the RFC was unrelated | 13:31 |
| asac | fta: what does RET=HDRS mean? | 13:31 |
| fta | it's a DSN option | 13:35 |
| fta | in fact, it's not really RET=HDRS that i need but i want tb/evo to use the proper MAIL From | 13:36 |
| asac | fta: so you wantt o pass some other option? | 13:36 |
| fta | yeah, now that i remember it, RET=HDRS is just to sent headers on bounces, instead of the full email | 13:36 |
| asac | ah | 13:37 |
| fta | i want MAIL From to match my local user at the (E)SMTP level, even if inside the email, the From is another address. | 13:37 |
| fta | like mutt | 13:37 |
| asac | oh ok. | 13:38 |
| asac | i understand (i think) | 13:38 |
| asac | ;) | 13:38 |
| * asac looks at evo data server | 13:39 | |
| asac | folks want tbird to talk to that for addrbook and calendar as it seems | 13:39 |
| fta | it should be as simple as adding a checkbox in the prefs | 13:41 |
| fta | it should work both for "sendmail" and "SMTP" | 13:42 |
| fta | ideally, it should be set per-email | 13:46 |
| gnomefreak | do we have a pop tag? | 13:54 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| Jazzva | asac, you there? | 15:28 |
| asac | Jazzva: yes for a few minutes ;) | 15:33 |
| Jazzva | asac, ok. Either I'm doing something wrong, or it doesn't work well, but blip.fm never works with nspluginwrapper. I think it uses a lot of small flash elements for playing tracks | 15:35 |
| Jazzva | When I open a page with single track, it's usually ok, but when I open a page with lots of tracks, then it fails. | 15:35 |
| Jazzva | I would like if you could help me later with this... | 15:35 |
| asac | hmm ... ffox crashed when visiting that site here | 15:38 |
| Jazzva | without nspluginwrapper? | 15:38 |
| Jazzva | it doesn't crash here... it's just not playing any tracks | 15:39 |
| asac | with nspluginwrapper intrpid | 15:39 |
| asac | i am not sure how that site works | 15:39 |
| Jazzva | and lots of nspluginwrapper errors | 15:39 |
| asac | here it doesnt do anything at all | 15:39 |
| asac | most likely because i dont have an account | 15:39 |
| Jazzva | It should let you play the tracks, even without the account | 15:39 |
| asac | how? | 15:39 |
| Jazzva | you should just click on orange label "play" in the box, or somewhere in the box | 15:40 |
| Jazzva | asac, please test with this http://blip.fm/profile/judesla/blip/1714497 | 15:40 |
| asac | ok a track is playing i think | 15:40 |
| Jazzva | playing? you hear it? | 15:41 |
| asac | yes | 15:41 |
| asac | := | 15:41 |
| asac | its on the bottom | 15:41 |
| asac | a grey area | 15:41 |
| asac | and i have sound | 15:41 |
| Jazzva | on the main page? | 15:41 |
| asac | no ... i opened the page you gave me | 15:42 |
| asac | it automatically started | 15:42 |
| Jazzva | Yeah.. that one is playing... | 15:42 |
| Jazzva | for me too | 15:42 |
| asac | so what doesnt work? | 15:42 |
| Jazzva | playing on the main page :) | 15:42 |
| asac | i dont see any other features iwthout logging in i think | 15:42 |
| Jazzva | ahh, i thought there is a timeline for everyone | 15:43 |
| asac | so is there a song supposed to be on the start page | 15:43 |
| Jazzva | there are many songs | 15:44 |
| asac | i can push on "see it in action" ;) | 15:44 |
| asac | http://blip.fm/all?p=1 | 15:44 |
| asac | opening that now | 15:44 |
| asac | and somthing is playing | 15:44 |
| Jazzva | it is? ok... I'll test with 1.1.0 and then see if I messed somewhere in the process of upgrade | 15:45 |
| asac | Jazzva: ... now i can play on http://blip.fm/home | 15:45 |
| asac | thats current nspluginwrapper though | 15:45 |
| Jazzva | yeah, i'll downgrade with that one to test | 15:46 |
| Jazzva | thanks for the help. I'll see if I can work this out, and get back to you if I can't... | 15:46 |
| gnomefreak | asac: you want bug 303098 its offline mode with tbird instead of ff | 16:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 303098 in thunderbird "Startup always offline" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/303098 | 16:02 |
| gnomefreak | done im going to work now i cleaned up all bugs unless more have showed up | 16:03 |
| gnomefreak | asac: if i dont get done with work today more than likely i will be working sat and sunday. but lets see where im at tonight | 16:06 |
| gnomefreak | im gone now | 16:06 |
| fta | [reed], do you know where mfinkle is based? i'd like to meet him next week (prism/xul-explorer/fennec, and more generally xul-apps) | 16:17 |
| stevel | fta: he's east coast... penn | 16:39 |
| fta | stevel, [reed], nm, i just talked with him, we'll meet at open house on wed | 16:45 |
| fta | asac, again http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20226287/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-hppa.epiphany-browser_2.24.1-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 17:07 |
| fta | nsGenericElement.cpp: In function 'PRBool operator!=(const nsReadingIterator<CharT>&, const nsReadingIterator<CharT>&)': | 17:21 |
| fta | nsGenericElement.cpp:775797: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault | 17:21 |
| fta | Please submit a full bug report, | 17:21 |
| fta | with preprocessed source if appropriate. | 17:21 |
| fta | See <file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.3/README.Bugs> for instructions. | 17:21 |
| fta | asac, armin76: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20235151/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-sparc.xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1~b2%2Bbuild1%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 17:21 |
| asac | jcastro: how can it be that folks cannot even take a look at summit.ubuntu.com if they dont have a launchpad account | 17:44 |
| asac | thats stupid ;) | 17:44 |
| asac | fta: crash reproducible locally? | 17:45 |
| fta | sparc | 17:45 |
| asac | fta: file a bug against gcc-4.3 | 17:45 |
| asac | in ubuntu | 17:45 |
| asac | let doko take a look. he usually doesnt get any bug ;) | 17:45 |
| fta | i pasted to doko | 17:45 |
| asac | k | 17:45 |
| fta | damn, i can't change my seat with ff. | 17:49 |
| asac | i cant change my seat at all because i have a damn code sharing thing and no site feels responsible :/ | 17:50 |
| asac | i called the operators and lufthansa said that i might not even be able to get a ticket from them | 17:50 |
| asac | but that must be utterly none-sense | 17:50 |
| asac | if thats the case then i probably wont make it | 17:50 |
| asac | ;) | 17:50 |
| fta | can't you enter your reservation # in their website? | 17:51 |
| asac | no | 17:51 |
| asac | it worked but then it aborted saying that a bad error hapepned | 17:52 |
| fta | lol | 17:52 |
| asac | now i am checked-in, but without seat | 17:52 |
| asac | ;) | 17:52 |
| asac | and the flight operators cannot change that as well :) | 17:52 |
| asac | hopefully i will end up in first class ;) | 17:53 |
| asac | but as i know me it will be in the middle-of-the-middle | 17:53 |
| asac | perfect place to reconsider life | 17:53 |
| fta | gasp | 17:53 |
| asac | middle-seat-in-the-middle-in-the-back | 17:54 |
| fta | damn, even epi fails miserably. i don't have non-gecko based browsers | 17:54 |
| asac | fta: apt-get install konqueror ;) | 17:54 |
| asac | or epihany-webkit | 17:54 |
| asac | bbut i think that doesnt work for most use-cases ;) | 17:55 |
| asac | fta: try with chrome testshell ;) | 17:55 |
| asac | fta: some sites are difficult to udnerstand | 17:56 |
| asac | for instance i had to select myself with double click | 17:56 |
| asac | on BA website | 17:56 |
| asac | before i could move me by clicking a different seat | 17:56 |
| fta | i can see the seats, select one, but when i click save, i'm back to my tickets with another seat | 17:57 |
| [reed] | fta: mfinkle is based in Pennsylvania, but he's going to be in MV for Add-on-con :) | 18:19 |
| fta | [reed], <mfinkle> come early to the open house and we can talk in a conference room or something | 18:21 |
| fta | rahhhh "The information entered did not allow us to find your file. Please re-enter the required information." | 18:23 |
| fta | i can't checkin | 18:23 |
| asac | fta: oh. then i am not alone ;)? | 18:31 |
| fta | i change my seat for the 2nd part of the return flight, but i can't change it for tomorrow. I can't check-in either. | 18:32 |
| fta | changeD | 18:32 |
| asac | fta: whats DL for a code? ... i assume its code sharing with air france ... but. | 18:33 |
| fta | Delta Airline | 18:33 |
| asac | ah | 18:33 |
| fta | it's an Air France plane though | 18:33 |
| asac | fta: most likely because of that ;) ... i must admit that i already hate code-sharing | 18:34 |
| asac | i will never agree to that again | 18:34 |
| asac | fta: yes. same for me ... United code, but lufthansa plane -> cannot check in on united website | 18:34 |
| asac | and lufthansa errors out | 18:34 |
| fta | dl recognizes my code, air france (in fact klm) doesn't. | 18:35 |
| fta | Claire said Air france was too expensive, now i'm in troubles :( but it's cheaper :S | 18:36 |
| asac | fta: yeah. not sure if its cheaper if you dont make the plane due to troubles ;) | 18:39 |
| asac | fta: you should call dl ... they can give you a af code | 18:40 |
| asac | fta: i called united and got a lufthansa code form them | 18:40 |
| asac | but still they think that i am checked in ... without a seat though ;) | 18:40 |
| fta | i know it, it's AF84 | 18:40 |
| asac | fta: no. .. i mean the booking code ;) | 18:41 |
| [reed] | jcastro: ping | 18:41 |
| asac | fta: i have now too codes: one for united ... and one for lufthansa . | 18:41 |
| asac | tw | 18:42 |
| asac | o | 18:42 |
| asac | fta: jcastro is at fosscamp ;) | 18:42 |
| fta | i think i have it, i have a 13 digits code | 18:42 |
| asac | hmmm ... here booking references are 8 letters | 18:43 |
| fta | it doesn't know, nor does my frequent flyer #, nor my reference # | 18:43 |
| fta | -know+work (dman) | 18:43 |
| [reed] | this flight will kick me over to elite status | 18:43 |
| [reed] | hehe | 18:43 |
| [reed] | hopefully, I can upgrade coming back for free ;) | 18:44 |
| asac | elite-status ... which carrier? | 18:44 |
| asac | err, aliance i mean ;) | 18:44 |
| [reed] | SkyTeam (Delta, Northwest, KLM, etc.) | 18:45 |
| [reed] | I'll be silver medallion or something | 18:45 |
| [reed] | just means I've flown a lot this year ;( | 18:45 |
| asac | ah ... thought highest class ;) | 18:45 |
| [reed] | no, just the first medallion level | 18:46 |
| [reed] | but my first time getting that ;) | 18:46 |
| fta | you'll just have access to the lounge | 18:46 |
| fta | got that several years ago | 18:46 |
| [reed] | you fly a lot more than me, though :0 | 18:46 |
| [reed] | plus, I'm just 20 | 18:47 |
| [reed] | and in college still! | 18:47 |
| [reed] | hehe | 18:47 |
| [reed] | one exam down, four more to go | 18:47 |
| [reed] | one more later today | 18:47 |
| [reed] | and three on Monday | 18:47 |
| fta | not anymore, I used to travel a lot more | 18:48 |
| asac | [reed]: then finished? | 18:48 |
| [reed] | asac: for the semester | 18:48 |
| asac | i hate travel | 18:48 |
| asac | [reed]: ah ;) | 18:48 |
| [reed] | I have 3 semesters left | 18:48 |
| [reed] | (1.5 years) | 18:48 |
| * asac hates mobility ;) | 18:48 | |
| asac | [reed]: and after that? university? | 18:48 |
| asac | for master/phd? | 18:48 |
| [reed] | we don't differentiate college vs. university | 18:49 |
| [reed] | in America | 18:49 |
| [reed] | but no, I'm not going to get my master's, probably | 18:49 |
| [reed] | just move to California and get a job ;) | 18:49 |
| [reed] | the school I go to now is Mississippi State University | 18:50 |
| [reed] | it's just that college and university are synonyms in America | 18:50 |
| [reed] | hah @ my manager participating in NSID (noshavingindecember.org) -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/10904161@N00/ | 18:51 |
| asac | [reed]: post-graduate .. thought that would be at "universities" in america | 18:52 |
| [reed] | nope... just known as "graduate school" | 18:52 |
| asac | ok | 18:52 |
| asac | [reed]: some are called universities though ;) | 18:53 |
| [reed] | sure | 18:53 |
| asac | thought that college goes to bachelor | 18:53 |
| [reed] | nope | 18:53 |
| [reed] | college can go to ph.d or whatever | 18:53 |
| * asac fixes his mind-map ;) | 18:53 | |
| [reed] | it doesn't matter | 18:53 |
| [reed] | "community college" would be a two-year program (associate's degree) | 18:53 |
| [reed] | and then college and university are basically the same thing | 18:54 |
| [reed] | and then graduate school after one finishes one's bachelor's, if one is so inclined... but most colleges/universities have graduate schools built directly in | 18:54 |
| asac | [reed]: ok. but some colleges just offer up to bachelor right? | 18:56 |
| [reed] | sure, but pretty rare nowdays | 18:56 |
| [reed] | ok, exam in two hours | 18:58 |
| [reed] | I need to study | 18:58 |
| [reed] | later :) | 18:59 |
| asac | good luck | 18:59 |
| * [reed] needs to figure out what to do with his luggage on Tuesday... could go from SFO directly to Google, or I could drop it at Mozilla for safekeeping, or I could go to the hotel first, ... that's what I need jcastro for ;) | 19:00 | |
| [reed] | lots of "private meetings" on the summit schedule this time | 19:01 |
| asac | most likely go to google ... and store it somewhere ;) | 19:01 |
| asac | really? | 19:01 |
| [reed] | yeah | 19:01 |
| asac | [reed]: where do you see private meetings? | 19:02 |
| fta | i saw some on monday (kernel) | 19:02 |
| [reed] | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-08/ -- kernel after lunch | 19:03 |
| [reed] | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-09/ -- mobile in morning | 19:03 |
| [reed] | and kernel after lunch again | 19:03 |
| [reed] | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/breakout-a/ -- thursday | 19:04 |
| [reed] | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-12/ -- mobile | 19:04 |
| fta | we can do our own private :) | 19:05 |
| [reed] | the breakout rooms look pretty bare | 19:05 |
| stevel | [reed] technically college is undergraduate only. university implies undergraduate & graduate | 19:11 |
| stevel | (i only know this because the university i went to was further broken down into colleges, which was a point of confusion for many of us) | 19:12 |
| [reed] | heh, yeah, my university has "colleges", too | 19:16 |
| [reed] | I'm under the College of Engineering | 19:17 |
| [reed] | and then under the Department of Computer Science & Engineering | 19:19 |
| stevel | ours was really confusing. we had departments, like Department of Computer Science & Engineering | 19:19 |
| stevel | but actual undergraduate colleges that were independent of departments | 19:19 |
| [reed] | were departments under colleges? | 19:20 |
| stevel | that had no relation to your discipline | 19:20 |
| [reed] | ah | 19:20 |
| stevel | it dictated where you lived on campus, your advisors, and what your general-education/pre-requisite courses were | 19:20 |
| stevel | really strange setup | 19:20 |
| [reed] | at UCSD? :) | 19:21 |
| stevel | [reed]: yeah | 19:21 |
| * [reed] adds you on facebook | 19:21 | |
| [reed] | hehe | 19:21 |
| stevel | you're familiar with it? | 19:21 |
| [reed] | I know of the school, and I know people that have gone there | 19:21 |
| [reed] | but I've never been there | 19:21 |
| [reed] | I live in Mississippi ;) | 19:21 |
| stevel | ah. I know of Mississippi. but I've never been there. :-) | 19:22 |
| [reed] | yeah, the wonders of the internet | 19:22 |
| [reed] | I can work part-time for Mozilla from my dorm room | 19:22 |
| [reed] | it's awesome ;) | 19:22 |
| stevel | heh | 19:22 |
| * stevel notes the coincidence of both [reed]'s and stevel's facebook photos being thumbs-ups | 19:23 | |
| [reed] | haha | 19:23 |
| [reed] | I didn't even notice that | 19:23 |
| fta | asac, "Why can't I check-in?" blablabla "3/ If the first segment of your flight is operated by another airline." | 20:43 |
| === dolske_ is now known as dolske | ||
| asac | fta: yes ;= | 20:48 |
| asac | fta: when does your flight leave? | 20:48 |
| fta | 10:15 | 20:49 |
| fta | so i need to leave home ~7am | 20:50 |
| fta | maybe even 6am to be on the safe side | 20:50 |
| asac | hehe | 20:51 |
| asac | good i .. start at 7:30 and leave at 10 to six ;) | 20:51 |
| asac | s/start/demand/ | 20:52 |
| asac | err depart ;) | 20:52 |
| fta | oh, not direct then | 20:53 |
| asac | hamburg .. no | 20:54 |
| asac | our airport is in the middle of the city | 20:55 |
| asac | so via london | 20:55 |
| fta | asac, jcastro: in case you're interested, i'll meet my chromium contact on monday, early afternoon. | 21:03 |
| asac | fta: hmm ... monday afternoon is the only day where i have sessions ... but well | 21:14 |
| asac | i would like to | 21:14 |
| asac | anyway | 21:14 |
| asac | i am about to bail out | 21:14 |
| asac | fta: Bon voyage. A demain! | 21:14 |
| fta | asac, merci :) toi aussi | 21:33 |
| armin76 | fta: lol @ sparc :) | 22:13 |
| Jazzva | asac, fta: have a safe trip... | 22:49 |
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