[01:16] <[reed]> asac / jcastro: how do I get in touch with the canonical.com webmaster? [01:20] [reed]: matthew.nuzum@canonical.com [01:20] <[reed]> thanks [01:39] jcastro, still no schedule? I need to plan a meeting with a chromium dev on monday [03:10] <[reed]> fta: schedule's out [03:10] <[reed]> but I can't find anything Mozilla/Firefox on it [03:11] <[reed]> asac: what sessions are yours? [10:14] [reed]: i want to do something different this time. more like a mini sprint. i was assured that there are other rooms where we can work ... we just have to announce it somehow so others interested can join. but i think we can figure [10:14] <[reed]> ah, ok [10:18] where is the schedule? [10:19] <[reed]> summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/ [11:03] 8-) [12:02] bug 302567 [12:02] Launchpad bug 302567 in firefox-3.0 "Right-click link in firefox opens evolution or bookmarks link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/302567 [12:12] gnomefreak: dupe of the "random stuff selected on right click bug" [12:12] gnomefreak: bug 187313 [12:12] Launchpad bug 187313 in firefox "[MASTER] right click (with button release) might activate random popup-menu-item" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187313 [12:13] on damn thers a master? [12:13] gnomefreak: yes thats it ;) [12:14] asac: thanks its fixed :) [12:15] ok caught up on emails now coffee and smoke === asac_ is now known as asac [12:52] oh asac the errors i was getting from tb-3 IIRC they were something like command did not succeed were due to IMAP. Is there something we can do with IMAP to make it less painful to use for everyone? === fta_ is now known as fta [12:54] gnomefreak: yes. identify the issues ;) [12:54] thats the right start ;) [12:54] gnomefreak: for instance: snoop the imap network traffic [12:55] asac: there are too many. there should still be a shit load in tb bugs [12:55] * gnomefreak would like to find out if it is just tbird or if other mail apps have same issue [12:56] gnomefreak: most likely other mail apps have issues too ... but they usually fail on different mail setups [12:56] (e.g. where tbird) succeeds [12:56] of course why would it be that simple [12:56] gnomefreak: then instead of identfying we could try to tag the imap related bugs [12:56] so we can take a look if we can find something about them [12:57] how many IMAP bugs exist? [12:57] that sounds good to me. I will hit bugs in a bit. I never counted [12:57] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird?field.searchtext=imap&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_packag [12:57] i think that link trailed off [12:57] it ends with ..._no_package? [12:57] = [12:57] ;) [12:58] no_packag [12:58] just make it a no_package= [12:58] then you have all [12:58] ur simply search in thunderbird package for "imap" ;) [12:59] fta: why do we have official logo in shredder? [13:00] do we? [13:00] fta: i see that we copy it manually to the menu place. but there is no configure -branding switch ... does it mean that upstream builds official by default? [13:01] fta: well ... menu ... window icon are offical [13:01] fta: oh. about shredder is not [13:01] i don't remember, i haven't touched it in a while [13:01] fta: we should fix that then i think [13:01] maybe the manual copy just needs to be dropped [13:02] if it's there, there's a reason [13:02] yeah. most likely there is none shipped or something like that [13:05] my primary concern with tb is to make it speak smtp like mutt, so i can use it for work. [13:05] same for evolution [13:07] james_w: i think we need a --export-upstream-postcmd=... ;) [13:07] james_w: that would allow us to run autotools stuff ... or make dist [13:07] though make dist might be a bit tricky [13:08] just came to my mind thats because of the cdbs + autoreconf stuff from mailing list [13:08] would be better if we could get autoolized tarballs from bzr ... and most upstream rightfully dont commit autotools stuff [13:09] fta: smtp? that works [13:09] fta: i guess you mean sendmail ;) [13:09] and maildir [13:09] maildir was supported in the past ... but agreed, that was a bit broken [13:09] oh ... movemail its named [13:09] and its probably mailbox [13:10] still supported in 3.0 [13:10] no, SMTP. i need it to use RET=HDRS in the "MAIL From:" line, then send the full headers [13:13] RFC 2789 [13:13] hmm ... no bot support ;) [13:14] asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/80836/ === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [13:28] asac, i don't see why evo/tb should not be able/allowed to do what mutt can already do [13:31] fta: i didnt question that ;) ... the RFC was unrelated [13:31] fta: what does RET=HDRS mean? [13:35] it's a DSN option [13:36] in fact, it's not really RET=HDRS that i need but i want tb/evo to use the proper MAIL From [13:36] fta: so you wantt o pass some other option? [13:36] yeah, now that i remember it, RET=HDRS is just to sent headers on bounces, instead of the full email [13:37] ah [13:37] i want MAIL From to match my local user at the (E)SMTP level, even if inside the email, the From is another address. [13:37] like mutt [13:38] oh ok. [13:38] i understand (i think) [13:38] ;) [13:39] * asac looks at evo data server [13:39] folks want tbird to talk to that for addrbook and calendar as it seems [13:41] it should be as simple as adding a checkbox in the prefs [13:42] it should work both for "sendmail" and "SMTP" [13:46] ideally, it should be set per-email [13:54] do we have a pop tag? === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:28] asac, you there? [15:33] Jazzva: yes for a few minutes ;) [15:35] asac, ok. Either I'm doing something wrong, or it doesn't work well, but blip.fm never works with nspluginwrapper. I think it uses a lot of small flash elements for playing tracks [15:35] When I open a page with single track, it's usually ok, but when I open a page with lots of tracks, then it fails. [15:35] I would like if you could help me later with this... [15:38] hmm ... ffox crashed when visiting that site here [15:38] without nspluginwrapper? [15:39] it doesn't crash here... it's just not playing any tracks [15:39] with nspluginwrapper intrpid [15:39] i am not sure how that site works [15:39] and lots of nspluginwrapper errors [15:39] here it doesnt do anything at all [15:39] most likely because i dont have an account [15:39] It should let you play the tracks, even without the account [15:39] how? [15:40] you should just click on orange label "play" in the box, or somewhere in the box [15:40] asac, please test with this http://blip.fm/profile/judesla/blip/1714497 [15:40] ok a track is playing i think [15:41] playing? you hear it? [15:41] yes [15:41] := [15:41] its on the bottom [15:41] a grey area [15:41] and i have sound [15:41] on the main page? [15:42] no ... i opened the page you gave me [15:42] it automatically started [15:42] Yeah.. that one is playing... [15:42] for me too [15:42] so what doesnt work? [15:42] playing on the main page :) [15:42] i dont see any other features iwthout logging in i think [15:43] ahh, i thought there is a timeline for everyone [15:43] so is there a song supposed to be on the start page [15:44] there are many songs [15:44] i can push on "see it in action" ;) [15:44] http://blip.fm/all?p=1 [15:44] opening that now [15:44] and somthing is playing [15:45] it is? ok... I'll test with 1.1.0 and then see if I messed somewhere in the process of upgrade [15:45] Jazzva: ... now i can play on http://blip.fm/home [15:45] thats current nspluginwrapper though [15:46] yeah, i'll downgrade with that one to test [15:46] thanks for the help. I'll see if I can work this out, and get back to you if I can't... [16:02] asac: you want bug 303098 its offline mode with tbird instead of ff [16:02] Launchpad bug 303098 in thunderbird "Startup always offline" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/303098 [16:03] done im going to work now i cleaned up all bugs unless more have showed up [16:06] asac: if i dont get done with work today more than likely i will be working sat and sunday. but lets see where im at tonight [16:06] im gone now [16:17] [reed], do you know where mfinkle is based? i'd like to meet him next week (prism/xul-explorer/fennec, and more generally xul-apps) [16:39] fta: he's east coast... penn [16:45] stevel, [reed], nm, i just talked with him, we'll meet at open house on wed [17:07] asac, again http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20226287/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-hppa.epiphany-browser_2.24.1-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [17:21] nsGenericElement.cpp: In function 'PRBool operator!=(const nsReadingIterator&, const nsReadingIterator&)': [17:21] nsGenericElement.cpp:775797: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault [17:21] Please submit a full bug report, [17:21] with preprocessed source if appropriate. [17:21] See for instructions. [17:21] asac, armin76: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20235151/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-sparc.xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1~b2%2Bbuild1%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [17:44] jcastro: how can it be that folks cannot even take a look at summit.ubuntu.com if they dont have a launchpad account [17:44] thats stupid ;) [17:45] fta: crash reproducible locally? [17:45] sparc [17:45] fta: file a bug against gcc-4.3 [17:45] in ubuntu [17:45] let doko take a look. he usually doesnt get any bug ;) [17:45] i pasted to doko [17:45] k [17:49] damn, i can't change my seat with ff. [17:50] i cant change my seat at all because i have a damn code sharing thing and no site feels responsible :/ [17:50] i called the operators and lufthansa said that i might not even be able to get a ticket from them [17:50] but that must be utterly none-sense [17:50] if thats the case then i probably wont make it [17:50] ;) [17:51] can't you enter your reservation # in their website? [17:51] no [17:52] it worked but then it aborted saying that a bad error hapepned [17:52] lol [17:52] now i am checked-in, but without seat [17:52] ;) [17:52] and the flight operators cannot change that as well :) [17:53] hopefully i will end up in first class ;) [17:53] but as i know me it will be in the middle-of-the-middle [17:53] perfect place to reconsider life [17:53] gasp [17:54] middle-seat-in-the-middle-in-the-back [17:54] damn, even epi fails miserably. i don't have non-gecko based browsers [17:54] fta: apt-get install konqueror ;) [17:54] or epihany-webkit [17:55] bbut i think that doesnt work for most use-cases ;) [17:55] fta: try with chrome testshell ;) [17:56] fta: some sites are difficult to udnerstand [17:56] for instance i had to select myself with double click [17:56] on BA website [17:56] before i could move me by clicking a different seat [17:57] i can see the seats, select one, but when i click save, i'm back to my tickets with another seat [18:19] <[reed]> fta: mfinkle is based in Pennsylvania, but he's going to be in MV for Add-on-con :) [18:21] [reed], come early to the open house and we can talk in a conference room or something [18:23] rahhhh "The information entered did not allow us to find your file. Please re-enter the required information." [18:23] i can't checkin [18:31] fta: oh. then i am not alone ;)? [18:32] i change my seat for the 2nd part of the return flight, but i can't change it for tomorrow. I can't check-in either. [18:32] changeD [18:33] fta: whats DL for a code? ... i assume its code sharing with air france ... but. [18:33] Delta Airline [18:33] ah [18:33] it's an Air France plane though [18:34] fta: most likely because of that ;) ... i must admit that i already hate code-sharing [18:34] i will never agree to that again [18:34] fta: yes. same for me ... United code, but lufthansa plane -> cannot check in on united website [18:34] and lufthansa errors out [18:35] dl recognizes my code, air france (in fact klm) doesn't. [18:36] Claire said Air france was too expensive, now i'm in troubles :( but it's cheaper :S [18:39] fta: yeah. not sure if its cheaper if you dont make the plane due to troubles ;) [18:40] fta: you should call dl ... they can give you a af code [18:40] fta: i called united and got a lufthansa code form them [18:40] but still they think that i am checked in ... without a seat though ;) [18:40] i know it, it's AF84 [18:41] fta: no. .. i mean the booking code ;) [18:41] <[reed]> jcastro: ping [18:41] fta: i have now too codes: one for united ... and one for lufthansa . [18:42] tw [18:42] o [18:42] fta: jcastro is at fosscamp ;) [18:42] i think i have it, i have a 13 digits code [18:43] hmmm ... here booking references are 8 letters [18:43] it doesn't know, nor does my frequent flyer #, nor my reference # [18:43] -know+work (dman) [18:43] <[reed]> this flight will kick me over to elite status [18:43] <[reed]> hehe [18:44] <[reed]> hopefully, I can upgrade coming back for free ;) [18:44] elite-status ... which carrier? [18:44] err, aliance i mean ;) [18:45] <[reed]> SkyTeam (Delta, Northwest, KLM, etc.) [18:45] <[reed]> I'll be silver medallion or something [18:45] <[reed]> just means I've flown a lot this year ;( [18:45] ah ... thought highest class ;) [18:46] <[reed]> no, just the first medallion level [18:46] <[reed]> but my first time getting that ;) [18:46] you'll just have access to the lounge [18:46] got that several years ago [18:46] <[reed]> you fly a lot more than me, though :0 [18:47] <[reed]> plus, I'm just 20 [18:47] <[reed]> and in college still! [18:47] <[reed]> hehe [18:47] <[reed]> one exam down, four more to go [18:47] <[reed]> one more later today [18:47] <[reed]> and three on Monday [18:48] not anymore, I used to travel a lot more [18:48] [reed]: then finished? [18:48] <[reed]> asac: for the semester [18:48] i hate travel [18:48] [reed]: ah ;) [18:48] <[reed]> I have 3 semesters left [18:48] <[reed]> (1.5 years) [18:48] * asac hates mobility ;) [18:48] [reed]: and after that? university? [18:48] for master/phd? [18:49] <[reed]> we don't differentiate college vs. university [18:49] <[reed]> in America [18:49] <[reed]> but no, I'm not going to get my master's, probably [18:49] <[reed]> just move to California and get a job ;) [18:50] <[reed]> the school I go to now is Mississippi State University [18:50] <[reed]> it's just that college and university are synonyms in America [18:51] <[reed]> hah @ my manager participating in NSID (noshavingindecember.org) -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/10904161@N00/ [18:52] [reed]: post-graduate .. thought that would be at "universities" in america [18:52] <[reed]> nope... just known as "graduate school" [18:52] ok [18:53] [reed]: some are called universities though ;) [18:53] <[reed]> sure [18:53] thought that college goes to bachelor [18:53] <[reed]> nope [18:53] <[reed]> college can go to ph.d or whatever [18:53] * asac fixes his mind-map ;) [18:53] <[reed]> it doesn't matter [18:53] <[reed]> "community college" would be a two-year program (associate's degree) [18:54] <[reed]> and then college and university are basically the same thing [18:54] <[reed]> and then graduate school after one finishes one's bachelor's, if one is so inclined... but most colleges/universities have graduate schools built directly in [18:56] [reed]: ok. but some colleges just offer up to bachelor right? [18:56] <[reed]> sure, but pretty rare nowdays [18:58] <[reed]> ok, exam in two hours [18:58] <[reed]> I need to study [18:59] <[reed]> later :) [18:59] good luck [19:00] * [reed] needs to figure out what to do with his luggage on Tuesday... could go from SFO directly to Google, or I could drop it at Mozilla for safekeeping, or I could go to the hotel first, ... that's what I need jcastro for ;) [19:01] <[reed]> lots of "private meetings" on the summit schedule this time [19:01] most likely go to google ... and store it somewhere ;) [19:01] really? [19:01] <[reed]> yeah [19:02] [reed]: where do you see private meetings? [19:02] i saw some on monday (kernel) [19:03] <[reed]> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-08/ -- kernel after lunch [19:03] <[reed]> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-09/ -- mobile in morning [19:03] <[reed]> and kernel after lunch again [19:04] <[reed]> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/breakout-a/ -- thursday [19:04] <[reed]> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-12/ -- mobile [19:05] we can do our own private :) [19:05] <[reed]> the breakout rooms look pretty bare [19:11] [reed] technically college is undergraduate only. university implies undergraduate & graduate [19:12] (i only know this because the university i went to was further broken down into colleges, which was a point of confusion for many of us) [19:16] <[reed]> heh, yeah, my university has "colleges", too [19:17] <[reed]> I'm under the College of Engineering [19:19] <[reed]> and then under the Department of Computer Science & Engineering [19:19] ours was really confusing. we had departments, like Department of Computer Science & Engineering [19:19] but actual undergraduate colleges that were independent of departments [19:20] <[reed]> were departments under colleges? [19:20] that had no relation to your discipline [19:20] <[reed]> ah [19:20] it dictated where you lived on campus, your advisors, and what your general-education/pre-requisite courses were [19:20] really strange setup [19:21] <[reed]> at UCSD? :) [19:21] [reed]: yeah [19:21] * [reed] adds you on facebook [19:21] <[reed]> hehe [19:21] you're familiar with it? [19:21] <[reed]> I know of the school, and I know people that have gone there [19:21] <[reed]> but I've never been there [19:21] <[reed]> I live in Mississippi ;) [19:22] ah. I know of Mississippi. but I've never been there. :-) [19:22] <[reed]> yeah, the wonders of the internet [19:22] <[reed]> I can work part-time for Mozilla from my dorm room [19:22] <[reed]> it's awesome ;) [19:22] heh [19:23] * stevel notes the coincidence of both [reed]'s and stevel's facebook photos being thumbs-ups [19:23] <[reed]> haha [19:23] <[reed]> I didn't even notice that [20:43] asac, "Why can't I check-in?" blablabla "3/ If the first segment of your flight is operated by another airline." === dolske_ is now known as dolske [20:48] fta: yes ;= [20:48] fta: when does your flight leave? [20:49] 10:15 [20:50] so i need to leave home ~7am [20:50] maybe even 6am to be on the safe side [20:51] hehe [20:51] good i .. start at 7:30 and leave at 10 to six ;) [20:52] s/start/demand/ [20:52] err depart ;) [20:53] oh, not direct then [20:54] hamburg .. no [20:55] our airport is in the middle of the city [20:55] so via london [21:03] asac, jcastro: in case you're interested, i'll meet my chromium contact on monday, early afternoon. [21:14] fta: hmm ... monday afternoon is the only day where i have sessions ... but well [21:14] i would like to [21:14] anyway [21:14] i am about to bail out [21:14] fta: Bon voyage. A demain! [21:33] asac, merci :) toi aussi [22:13] fta: lol @ sparc :) [22:49] asac, fta: have a safe trip...