[01:16] <[reed]> asac / jcastro: how do I get in touch with the canonical.com webmaster?
[01:20] <jcastro> [reed]: matthew.nuzum@canonical.com
[01:20] <[reed]> thanks
[01:39] <fta> jcastro, still no schedule? I need to plan a meeting with a chromium dev on monday
[03:10] <[reed]> fta: schedule's out
[03:10] <[reed]> but I can't find anything Mozilla/Firefox on it
[03:11] <[reed]> asac: what sessions are yours?
[10:14] <asac> [reed]: i want to do something different this time. more like a mini sprint. i was assured that there are other rooms where we can work ... we just have to announce it somehow so others interested can join. but i think we can figure
[10:14] <[reed]> ah, ok
[10:18] <asac> where is the schedule?
[10:19] <[reed]> summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/
[11:03] <ghj> 8-)
[12:02] <gnomefreak> bug 302567
[12:12] <asac> gnomefreak: dupe of the "random stuff selected on right click bug"
[12:12] <asac> gnomefreak: bug 187313
[12:13] <gnomefreak> on damn thers a master?
[12:13] <asac> gnomefreak: yes thats it ;)
[12:14] <gnomefreak> asac: thanks its fixed :)
[12:15] <gnomefreak> ok caught up on emails now coffee and smoke
[12:52] <gnomefreak> oh asac the errors i was getting from tb-3 IIRC they were something like command did not succeed  were due to IMAP. Is there something we can do with IMAP to make it less painful to use for everyone?
[12:54] <asac> gnomefreak: yes. identify the issues ;)
[12:54] <asac> thats the right start ;)
[12:54] <asac> gnomefreak: for instance: snoop the imap network traffic
[12:55] <gnomefreak> asac: there are too many. there should still be a shit load in tb bugs
[12:55]  * gnomefreak would like to find out if it is just tbird or if other mail apps have same issue
[12:56] <asac> gnomefreak: most likely other mail apps have issues too ... but they usually fail on different mail setups
[12:56] <asac> (e.g. where tbird) succeeds
[12:56] <gnomefreak> of course why would it be that simple
[12:56] <asac> gnomefreak: then instead of identfying we could try to tag the imap related bugs
[12:56] <asac> so we can take a look if we can find something about them
[12:57] <asac> how many IMAP bugs exist?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> that sounds good to me. I will hit bugs in a bit. I never counted
[12:57] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird?field.searchtext=imap&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_packag
[12:57] <gnomefreak> i think that link trailed off
[12:57] <asac> it ends with ..._no_package?
[12:57] <asac> =
[12:57] <asac> ;)
[12:58] <gnomefreak> no_packag
[12:58] <asac> just make it a no_package=
[12:58] <asac> then you have all
[12:58] <asac> ur simply search in thunderbird package for "imap" ;)
[12:59] <asac> fta: why do we have official logo in shredder?
[13:00] <fta> do we?
[13:00] <asac> fta: i see that we copy it manually to the menu place. but there is no configure -branding switch ... does it mean that upstream builds official by default?
[13:01] <asac> fta: well ... menu ... window icon are offical
[13:01] <asac> fta: oh. about shredder is not
[13:01] <fta> i don't remember, i haven't touched it in a while
[13:01] <asac> fta: we should fix that then i think
[13:01] <asac> maybe the manual copy just needs to be dropped
[13:02] <fta> if it's there, there's a reason
[13:02] <asac> yeah. most likely there is none shipped or something like that
[13:05] <fta> my primary concern with tb is to make it speak smtp like mutt, so i can use it for work.
[13:05] <fta> same for evolution
[13:07] <asac> james_w: i think we need a --export-upstream-postcmd=... ;)
[13:07] <asac> james_w: that would allow us to run autotools stuff ... or make dist
[13:07] <asac> though make dist might be a bit tricky
[13:08] <asac> just came to my mind thats because of the cdbs + autoreconf stuff from mailing list
[13:08] <asac> would be better if we could get autoolized tarballs from bzr ... and most upstream rightfully dont commit autotools stuff
[13:09] <asac> fta: smtp? that works
[13:09] <asac> fta: i guess you mean sendmail ;)
[13:09] <asac> and maildir
[13:09] <asac> maildir was supported in the past ... but agreed, that was a bit broken
[13:09] <asac> oh ... movemail its named
[13:09] <asac> and its probably mailbox
[13:10] <asac> still supported in 3.0
[13:10] <fta> no, SMTP. i need it to use RET=HDRS in the "MAIL From:" line, then send the full headers
[13:13] <asac> RFC 2789
[13:13] <asac> hmm ... no bot support ;)
[13:14] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/80836/
[13:28] <fta> asac, i don't see why evo/tb should not be able/allowed to do what mutt can already do
[13:31] <asac> fta: i didnt question that ;) ... the RFC was unrelated
[13:31] <asac> fta: what does RET=HDRS mean?
[13:35] <fta> it's a DSN option
[13:36] <fta> in fact, it's not really RET=HDRS that i need but i want tb/evo to use the proper MAIL From
[13:36] <asac> fta: so you wantt o pass some other option?
[13:36] <fta> yeah, now that i remember it, RET=HDRS is just to sent headers on bounces, instead of the full email
[13:37] <asac> ah
[13:37] <fta> i want MAIL From to match my local user at the (E)SMTP level, even if inside the email, the From is another address.
[13:37] <fta> like mutt
[13:38] <asac> oh ok.
[13:38] <asac> i understand (i think)
[13:38] <asac> ;)
[13:39]  * asac looks at evo data server
[13:39] <asac> folks want tbird to talk to that for addrbook and calendar as it seems
[13:41] <fta> it should be as simple as adding a checkbox in the prefs
[13:42] <fta> it should work both for "sendmail" and "SMTP"
[13:46] <fta> ideally, it should be set per-email
[13:54] <gnomefreak> do we have a pop tag?
[15:28] <Jazzva> asac, you there?
[15:33] <asac> Jazzva: yes for a few minutes ;)
[15:35] <Jazzva> asac, ok. Either I'm doing something wrong, or it doesn't work well, but blip.fm never works with nspluginwrapper. I think it uses a lot of small flash elements for playing tracks
[15:35] <Jazzva> When I open a page with single track, it's usually ok, but when I open a page with lots of tracks, then it fails.
[15:35] <Jazzva> I would like if you could help me later with this...
[15:38] <asac> hmm ... ffox crashed when visiting that site here
[15:38] <Jazzva> without nspluginwrapper?
[15:39] <Jazzva> it doesn't crash here... it's just not playing any tracks
[15:39] <asac> with nspluginwrapper intrpid
[15:39] <asac> i am not sure how that site works
[15:39] <Jazzva> and lots of nspluginwrapper errors
[15:39] <asac> here it doesnt do anything at all
[15:39] <asac> most likely because i dont have an account
[15:39] <Jazzva> It should let you play the tracks, even without the account
[15:39] <asac> how?
[15:40] <Jazzva> you should just click on orange label "play" in the box, or somewhere in the box
[15:40] <Jazzva> asac, please test with this http://blip.fm/profile/judesla/blip/1714497
[15:40] <asac> ok a track is playing i think
[15:41] <Jazzva> playing? you hear it?
[15:41] <asac> yes
[15:41] <asac> :=
[15:41] <asac> its on the bottom
[15:41] <asac> a grey area
[15:41] <asac> and i have sound
[15:41] <Jazzva> on the main page?
[15:42] <asac> no ... i opened the page you gave me
[15:42] <asac> it automatically started
[15:42] <Jazzva> Yeah.. that one is playing...
[15:42] <Jazzva> for me too
[15:42] <asac> so what doesnt work?
[15:42] <Jazzva> playing on the main page :)
[15:42] <asac> i dont see any other features iwthout logging in i think
[15:43] <Jazzva> ahh, i thought there is a timeline for everyone
[15:43] <asac> so is there a song supposed to be on the start page
[15:44] <Jazzva> there are many songs
[15:44] <asac> i can push on "see it in action" ;)
[15:44] <asac> http://blip.fm/all?p=1
[15:44] <asac> opening that now
[15:44] <asac> and somthing is playing
[15:45] <Jazzva> it is? ok... I'll test with 1.1.0 and then see if I messed somewhere in the process of upgrade
[15:45] <asac> Jazzva:  ... now i can play on http://blip.fm/home
[15:45] <asac> thats current nspluginwrapper though
[15:46] <Jazzva> yeah, i'll downgrade with that one to test
[15:46] <Jazzva> thanks for the help. I'll see if I can work this out, and get back to you if I can't...
[16:02] <gnomefreak> asac: you want bug 303098 its offline mode with tbird instead of ff
[16:03] <gnomefreak> done im going to work now i cleaned up all bugs unless more have showed up
[16:06] <gnomefreak> asac: if i dont get done with work today more than likely i will be working sat and sunday. but lets see where im at tonight
[16:06] <gnomefreak> im gone now
[16:17] <fta> [reed], do you know where mfinkle is based? i'd like to meet him next week (prism/xul-explorer/fennec, and more generally xul-apps)
[16:39] <stevel> fta: he's east coast... penn
[16:45] <fta> stevel, [reed], nm, i just talked with him, we'll meet at open house on wed
[17:07] <fta> asac, again http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20226287/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-hppa.epiphany-browser_2.24.1-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:21] <fta> nsGenericElement.cpp: In function 'PRBool operator!=(const nsReadingIterator<CharT>&, const nsReadingIterator<CharT>&)':
[17:21] <fta> nsGenericElement.cpp:775797: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
[17:21] <fta> Please submit a full bug report,
[17:21] <fta> with preprocessed source if appropriate.
[17:21] <fta> See <file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.3/README.Bugs> for instructions.
[17:21] <fta> asac, armin76: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20235151/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-sparc.xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1~b2%2Bbuild1%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:44] <asac> jcastro: how can it be that folks cannot even take a look at summit.ubuntu.com if they dont have a launchpad account
[17:44] <asac> thats stupid ;)
[17:45] <asac> fta: crash reproducible locally?
[17:45] <fta> sparc
[17:45] <asac> fta: file a bug against gcc-4.3
[17:45] <asac> in ubuntu
[17:45] <asac> let doko take a look. he usually doesnt get any bug ;)
[17:45] <fta> i pasted to doko
[17:45] <asac> k
[17:49] <fta> damn, i can't change my seat with ff.
[17:50] <asac> i cant change my seat at all because i have a damn code sharing thing and no site feels responsible :/
[17:50] <asac> i called the operators and lufthansa said that i might not even be able to get a ticket from them
[17:50] <asac> but that must be utterly none-sense
[17:50] <asac> if thats the case then i probably wont make it
[17:50] <asac> ;)
[17:51] <fta> can't you enter your reservation # in their website?
[17:51] <asac> no
[17:52] <asac> it worked but then it aborted saying that a bad error hapepned
[17:52] <fta> lol
[17:52] <asac> now i am checked-in, but without seat
[17:52] <asac> ;)
[17:52] <asac> and the flight operators cannot change that as well :)
[17:53] <asac> hopefully i will end up in first class ;)
[17:53] <asac> but as i know me it will be in the middle-of-the-middle
[17:53] <asac> perfect place to reconsider life
[17:53] <fta> gasp
[17:54] <asac> middle-seat-in-the-middle-in-the-back
[17:54] <fta> damn, even epi fails miserably. i don't have non-gecko based browsers
[17:54] <asac> fta: apt-get install konqueror ;)
[17:54] <asac> or epihany-webkit
[17:55] <asac> bbut i think that doesnt work for most use-cases ;)
[17:55] <asac> fta: try with chrome testshell ;)
[17:56] <asac> fta: some sites are difficult to udnerstand
[17:56] <asac> for instance i had to select myself with double click
[17:56] <asac> on BA website
[17:56] <asac> before i could move me by clicking a different seat
[17:57] <fta> i can see the seats, select one, but when i click save, i'm back to my tickets with another seat
[18:19] <[reed]> fta: mfinkle is based in Pennsylvania, but he's going to be in MV for Add-on-con :)
[18:21] <fta> [reed], <mfinkle> come early to the open house and we can talk in a conference room or something
[18:23] <fta> rahhhh "The information entered did not allow us to find your file. Please re-enter the required information."
[18:23] <fta> i can't checkin
[18:31] <asac> fta: oh. then i am not alone ;)?
[18:32] <fta> i change my seat for the 2nd part of the return flight, but i can't change it for tomorrow. I can't check-in either.
[18:32] <fta> changeD
[18:33] <asac> fta: whats DL for a code? ... i assume its code sharing with air france ... but.
[18:33] <fta> Delta Airline
[18:33] <asac> ah
[18:33] <fta> it's an Air France plane though
[18:34] <asac> fta: most likely because of that ;) ... i must admit that i already hate code-sharing
[18:34] <asac> i will never agree to that again
[18:34] <asac> fta: yes. same for me ... United code, but lufthansa plane -> cannot check in on united website
[18:34] <asac> and lufthansa errors out
[18:35] <fta> dl recognizes my code, air france (in fact klm) doesn't.
[18:36] <fta> Claire said Air france was too expensive, now i'm in troubles :( but it's cheaper :S
[18:39] <asac> fta: yeah. not sure if its cheaper if you dont make the plane due to troubles ;)
[18:40] <asac> fta: you should call dl ... they can give you a af code
[18:40] <asac> fta: i called united and got a lufthansa code form them
[18:40] <asac> but still they think that i am checked in ... without a seat though ;)
[18:40] <fta> i know it, it's AF84
[18:41] <asac> fta: no. .. i mean the booking code ;)
[18:41] <[reed]> jcastro: ping
[18:41] <asac> fta: i have now too codes: one for united ... and one for lufthansa .
[18:42] <asac> tw
[18:42] <asac> o
[18:42] <asac> fta: jcastro is at fosscamp ;)
[18:42] <fta> i think i have it, i have a 13 digits code
[18:43] <asac> hmmm ... here booking references are 8 letters
[18:43] <fta> it doesn't know, nor does my frequent flyer #, nor my reference #
[18:43] <fta> -know+work (dman)
[18:43] <[reed]> this flight will kick me over to elite status
[18:43] <[reed]> hehe
[18:44] <[reed]> hopefully, I can upgrade coming back for free ;)
[18:44] <asac> elite-status ... which carrier?
[18:44] <asac> err, aliance i mean ;)
[18:45] <[reed]> SkyTeam (Delta, Northwest, KLM, etc.)
[18:45] <[reed]> I'll be silver medallion or something
[18:45] <[reed]> just means I've flown a lot this year ;(
[18:45] <asac> ah ... thought highest class ;)
[18:46] <[reed]> no, just the first medallion level
[18:46] <[reed]> but my first time getting that ;)
[18:46] <fta> you'll just have access to the lounge
[18:46] <fta> got that several years ago
[18:46] <[reed]> you fly a lot more than me, though :0
[18:47] <[reed]> plus, I'm just 20
[18:47] <[reed]> and in college still!
[18:47] <[reed]> hehe
[18:47] <[reed]> one exam down, four more to go
[18:47] <[reed]> one more later today
[18:47] <[reed]> and three on Monday
[18:48] <fta> not anymore, I used to travel a lot more
[18:48] <asac> [reed]: then finished?
[18:48] <[reed]> asac: for the semester
[18:48] <asac> i hate travel
[18:48] <asac> [reed]: ah ;)
[18:48] <[reed]> I have 3 semesters left
[18:48] <[reed]> (1.5 years)
[18:48]  * asac hates mobility ;)
[18:48] <asac> [reed]: and after that? university?
[18:48] <asac> for master/phd?
[18:49] <[reed]> we don't differentiate college vs. university
[18:49] <[reed]> in America
[18:49] <[reed]> but no, I'm not going to get my master's, probably
[18:49] <[reed]> just move to California and get a job ;)
[18:50] <[reed]> the school I go to now is Mississippi State University
[18:50] <[reed]> it's just that college and university are synonyms in America
[18:51] <[reed]> hah @ my manager participating in NSID (noshavingindecember.org) -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/10904161@N00/
[18:52] <asac> [reed]: post-graduate .. thought that would be at "universities" in america
[18:52] <[reed]> nope... just known as "graduate school"
[18:52] <asac> ok
[18:53] <asac> [reed]: some are called universities though ;)
[18:53] <[reed]> sure
[18:53] <asac> thought that college goes to bachelor
[18:53] <[reed]> nope
[18:53] <[reed]> college can go to ph.d or whatever
[18:53]  * asac fixes his mind-map ;)
[18:53] <[reed]> it doesn't matter
[18:53] <[reed]> "community college" would be a two-year program (associate's degree)
[18:54] <[reed]> and then college and university are basically the same thing
[18:54] <[reed]> and then graduate school after one finishes one's bachelor's, if one is so inclined... but most colleges/universities have graduate schools built directly in
[18:56] <asac> [reed]: ok. but some colleges just offer up to bachelor right?
[18:56] <[reed]> sure, but pretty rare nowdays
[18:58] <[reed]> ok, exam in two hours
[18:58] <[reed]> I need to study
[18:59] <[reed]> later :)
[18:59] <asac> good luck
[19:00]  * [reed] needs to figure out what to do with his luggage on Tuesday... could go from SFO directly to Google, or I could drop it at Mozilla for safekeeping, or I could go to the hotel first, ... that's what I need jcastro for ;)
[19:01] <[reed]> lots of "private meetings" on the summit schedule this time
[19:01] <asac> most likely go to google ... and store it somewhere ;)
[19:01] <asac> really?
[19:01] <[reed]> yeah
[19:02] <asac> [reed]: where do you see private meetings?
[19:02] <fta> i saw some on monday (kernel)
[19:03] <[reed]> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-08/ -- kernel after lunch
[19:03] <[reed]> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-09/ -- mobile in morning
[19:03] <[reed]> and kernel after lunch again
[19:04] <[reed]> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/breakout-a/ -- thursday
[19:04] <[reed]> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-12/ -- mobile
[19:05] <fta> we can do our own private :)
[19:05] <[reed]> the breakout rooms look pretty bare
[19:11] <stevel> [reed] technically college is undergraduate only. university implies undergraduate & graduate
[19:12] <stevel> (i only know this because the university i went to was further broken down into colleges, which was a point of confusion for many of us)
[19:16] <[reed]> heh, yeah, my university has "colleges", too
[19:17] <[reed]> I'm under the College of Engineering
[19:19] <[reed]> and then under the Department of Computer Science & Engineering
[19:19] <stevel> ours was really confusing. we had departments, like Department of Computer Science & Engineering
[19:19] <stevel> but actual undergraduate colleges that were independent of departments
[19:20] <[reed]> were departments under colleges?
[19:20] <stevel> that had no relation to your discipline
[19:20] <[reed]> ah
[19:20] <stevel> it dictated where you lived on campus, your advisors, and what your general-education/pre-requisite courses were
[19:20] <stevel> really strange setup
[19:21] <[reed]> at UCSD? :)
[19:21] <stevel> [reed]: yeah
[19:21]  * [reed] adds you on facebook
[19:21] <[reed]> hehe
[19:21] <stevel> you're familiar with it?
[19:21] <[reed]> I know of the school, and I know people that have gone there
[19:21] <[reed]> but I've never been there
[19:21] <[reed]> I live in Mississippi ;)
[19:22] <stevel> ah. I know of Mississippi. but I've never been there. :-)
[19:22] <[reed]> yeah, the wonders of the internet
[19:22] <[reed]> I can work part-time for Mozilla from my dorm room
[19:22] <[reed]> it's awesome ;)
[19:22] <stevel> heh
[19:23]  * stevel notes the coincidence of both [reed]'s and stevel's facebook photos being thumbs-ups
[19:23] <[reed]> haha
[19:23] <[reed]> I didn't even notice that
[20:43] <fta> asac, "Why can't I check-in?" blablabla "3/ If the first segment of your flight is operated by another airline."
[20:48] <asac> fta: yes ;=
[20:48] <asac> fta: when does your flight leave?
[20:49] <fta> 10:15
[20:50] <fta> so i need to leave home ~7am
[20:50] <fta> maybe even 6am to be on the safe side
[20:51] <asac> hehe
[20:51] <asac> good i .. start at 7:30 and leave at 10 to six ;)
[20:52] <asac> s/start/demand/
[20:52] <asac> err depart ;)
[20:53] <fta> oh, not direct then
[20:54] <asac> hamburg .. no
[20:55] <asac> our airport is in the middle of the city
[20:55] <asac> so via london
[21:03] <fta> asac, jcastro: in case you're interested, i'll meet my chromium contact on monday, early afternoon.
[21:14] <asac> fta: hmm ... monday afternoon is the only day where i have sessions ... but well
[21:14] <asac> i would like to
[21:14] <asac> anyway
[21:14] <asac> i am about to bail out
[21:14] <asac> fta: Bon voyage. A demain!
[21:33] <fta> asac, merci :) toi aussi
[22:13] <armin76> fta: lol @ sparc :)
[22:49] <Jazzva> asac, fta: have a safe trip...