[00:05] <mneptok> genii: bad idea with Mez. her prefers the desalinated tears of nubile virgins.
[00:11] <genii> Might be difficult to find enough of those to quench a thirst...
[00:31] <mneptok> exaaaactly
[00:59] <JeremyE> Hi
[00:59] <JeremyE> LJL?
[00:59] <JeremyE> You there?
[01:00] <Flannel> Oh, that guy.
[01:05] <LjL> no i'm not
[01:18] <genii> Hm
[01:19]  * mneptok is dealing
[01:21] <genii> Cards, I hope
[01:22] <mneptok> with __mikem
[01:24] <bazhang> nice
[01:32] <stdin> genii: you need to identify
[01:33] <genii> stdin: Thanks. I wonder what happened there.
[01:34] <genii> jussio1: Restarting core or so?
[01:34] <stdin> I'm guessing it happened when the connection timed out
[01:34] <stdin> [00:37]* genii has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
[01:34] <stdin> [00:39]* genii (n=genii@oul110-gw10.netplaza.fi) has joined #ubuntu-ops
[01:34] <genii> stdin: Yes, looks like his quassel core some issue then
[01:35] <stdin> wouldn't be any fun without a few bugs to squish
[01:36] <stdin> although, it identified for jussio1 when it reconnected
[01:36] <genii> Yes, weird
[01:36] <stdin> how do you set it to identify?
[01:38] <genii> stdin: Similar method as Konv
[01:39] <stdin> it's probably better to put the nickserv password as the server password
[01:39] <stdin> the client is probably not sending the message when it reconnects
[01:39] <genii> I'll look into it's settings there
[01:40] <bazhang> weekend has arrived early
[01:56] <bazhang> * [e^2pi] (n=faryshta@189.145.197.229): Angel Guevara
 sandwich=menaige a trois?
[01:57] <jdong> can't even spell it right....
[01:57] <bazhang> that channel needs to be cleaned out.
[01:58] <bazhang> much like the augean stables
[03:01]  * mneptok diverts the St. Lawrence
[03:08]  * jussio1 waves
[03:08]  * genii wobbles
[03:09]  * mneptok cacks up a furball
[03:14] <jussio1> genii: so did you get the identify thing sorted?
[03:15] <mneptok> jussio1: in the future, please ask before prodding my furballs with sticks. i may not be finished with that. thanks.
[03:15] <mneptok> O:)
[03:16] <jussio1> mneptok: I always thought you were mad, now Im certain...
[03:17]  * mneptok beeps incessantly
[03:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Second time this hour with this in ubuntu..  http://www.sexyemilie.com/?id=303558
[07:38] <Flannel> elkbuntu: How embarassing
[07:38] <elkbuntu> Flannel, yes.
[07:39] <Flannel> looks like john crawford did the physical adding.  version 31, 10-25
[07:39] <Flannel> but, That likely didn't come from him, as its in a whole slew of additions, etc.  Wonder what ML they use
[07:40] <elkbuntu> it says at the bottom
[07:40] <Flannel> Yeah, it doesn't have much info though, I guess I'll check the ideas page info
[07:41] <Flannel> Not there.
[07:41] <Flannel> ah, -news-team
[07:41] <elkbuntu> i'm going to mail a complaint about inappropriateness to there
[07:42] <Flannel> Hmmm, I don't see any originl mention on that ML.  But I'll keep looking (at least, not with subject searches)
[07:43] <elkbuntu> it'll at least get to the right places
[08:42] <Flannel> 30 seconds lag?
[08:55] <elkbuntu> oh crap. i think i cant get my s key back on...
[09:04] <Myrtti> can I reboot the universe somehow?
[09:06] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, i wish.
[09:06] <elkbuntu> yay, i fixeded my s key
[09:10] <Flannel> Myrtti: did you upgrade its kernel?
[09:10] <Myrtti> Flannel: I was just hoping some settings would reset
[09:12] <Flannel> Myrtti: which ones?
[09:13] <Myrtti> the ones that make my life constant misery
[09:13] <elkbuntu> the stupidity quotient
[09:13] <Myrtti> like yesterday
[09:13] <Myrtti> I can't mull in this enough
[09:13] <Myrtti> it feels too good to curse with a good reason for a while
[09:13] <Myrtti> http://myrtti.jaiku.com/presence/50050778
[09:18] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, when is your flickr due?
[09:19] <Myrtti> "You have a Flickr Pro Account. It expires on 19th December, 2008."
[09:19] <Myrtti> I was going to write a "Dear Santa" letter anyway...
[09:19] <Myrtti> I guess I should write it now
[09:19] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, you deserve a xmas pressie from me.
[09:20] <Myrtti> :-o
[09:20] <elkbuntu> now, how do i buy flickr voucher things?
[09:21] <elkbuntu> up off the floor girl
[09:24] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, i'm assuming gifts can be used for renewals, yes?
[09:25] <Myrtti> well... yes.
[09:29]  * Myrtti pokes jussi01 with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™
[09:29] <Myrtti> *SQUEEEAK*
[09:30]  * elkbuntu waits for the email.
[09:33] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, your nick at your domain?
[09:34] <Myrtti> should work, aswell as @ubuntu
[09:35] <Stratton> Does anyone know why the name 'anandjones' is banned?
[09:36] <elkbuntu> because there was a person using it who was harrassing users.
[09:36] <Stratton> hmm
[09:36] <elkbuntu> is it some obscure pop reference or something?
[09:36] <Stratton> my friend uses the nick as well
[09:36] <Flannel> If its obscure, is it really a pop reference?
[09:37] <elkbuntu> Flannel, obscure to me, pop to someone?
[09:37] <Flannel> elkbuntu: I don't see it in the bt, am I... blind?
[09:37]  * Myrtti sees it neither
[09:37] <Stratton> I'll ask him what is actually banned
[09:37] <Flannel> Stratton: you can have them join this channel, that'd be easiest and fastest
[09:37] <Stratton> kk
[09:38] <Myrtti> we usually don't do by proxy unbanning
[09:38] <Myrtti> nice to talk to the actual person
[09:39] <Stratton> Hey
[09:39] <anandjones> hi
[09:39] <elkbuntu> Stratton, what channel is this person banned from?
[09:39] <Flannel> elkbuntu: check realname
[09:39] <elkbuntu> anandjones, what channel were you trying to enter?
[09:39] <Stratton> #ubuntu
[09:40] <elkbuntu> aha
[09:40] <anandjones> yes that one
[09:40] <elkbuntu> anandjones, please change your realname to not have swearing in it. we ban it because it stops more trolls than actual users.
[09:41] <anandjones> oh
[09:41] <anandjones> k
[09:41] <elkbuntu> the /b/ culture has alot to answer for
[09:41] <elkbuntu> you'll need to reconnect to the network for it to take effect
[09:42] <anandjones> k
[09:46] <Stratton> Thanks for the help ^_^
[10:04] <elkbuntu> bazhang, awake?
[10:04] <bazhang> elkbuntu, hi
[10:05] <Myrtti> we just had another visit from -ru
[10:05] <Myrtti> well...
[10:05] <Myrtti> -ru*
[10:05] <elkbuntu> we being -women
[10:05] <bazhang> who
[10:05] <elkbuntu> mau_dZe_doon
[10:05] <Myrtti> not that it matters
[10:05] <elkbuntu> n=mau_@92.255.160.75
[10:05] <Myrtti> was just going to ask is there something going on again?
[10:06] <Myrtti> [12:04] [freenode] ~~~ channels : #ubuntu-women #ubuntu-ru-offtopic #ubuntu-ru
[10:06] <bazhang> I'll have a chat with him
[10:06] <elkbuntu> bazhang, it was a flyby
[10:06] <elkbuntu> bazhang, nothing said, just join and flee
[10:06] <bazhang> elkbuntu, nonetheless
[10:06] <bazhang> better to nip it in the bud
[10:06] <elkbuntu> which makes us even more suspicious as scouting is rarely done with good intent
[10:06] <bazhang> yep
[10:07] <elkbuntu> (well, scouting *there*)
[10:07] <bazhang> exactly
[10:11]  * elkbuntu tries to find a cheap 3g usb dongle
[10:12] <bazhang> polatov, #ubuntu-irc
[10:12] <bazhang> polatov, not here
[10:12] <Myrtti> *shudder*
[10:13] <Myrtti> bazhang: have I mentioned to you lately how much I love you?
[10:14] <bazhang> Myrtti, they have no reason whatsoever to go in there, ever.
[10:14] <elkbuntu> bazhang, well, unless they have the pointy bits rather than the dangly bits.
[10:15] <bazhang> elkbuntu, iirc there is a -ru-women
[10:16] <elkbuntu> bazhang, i dont blame them.
[10:16] <elkbuntu> but, intermingling is usually A Good Thing
[10:17] <elkbuntu> just, i dont feel like intermingling until -ru changes their act -- big time.
[10:19] <elkbuntu> bazhang, he's replying to me?
[10:19] <elkbuntu> or, he has no idea what i'm saying?
[10:20] <Myrtti> if they'd forget #ubuntu-women exists
[10:20] <bazhang> elkbuntu, he is talking to me for the most part
[10:20] <Myrtti> and just look at the web pages
[10:20] <Myrtti> and look at our blogging
[10:20] <Myrtti> I'd be happy
[10:20] <Myrtti> and look at our contributions to Ubuntu
[10:21] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, uh your comments are disabled, right?
[10:21] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: no, they either need my approval or openid
[10:21] <elkbuntu> close enough
[10:22] <Myrtti> I've had that like that always, I don't need a single spam
[10:31] <Myrtti> I feel like I'm wading in rice pudding talking to him
[10:32] <Myrtti> I'm off to do my groceries, bbl
[10:35] <bazhang> Myrtti, I think I better continue with this.
[10:36] <Myrtti> thank god for google translate.
[10:36] <Myrtti> and sanakirja.org
[10:37]  * elkbuntu cuddles Myrtti and sends her off to buy noms
[10:37] <Myrtti> http://www.sanakirja.org/search.php?q=mention&l=-1&l2=-1
[10:37] <Myrtti> (also with an English UI, click on the right hand side)
[10:38] <Myrtti> -->
[10:57] <bazhang> the main problem with that channel, apart from the immaturity of some of the users, is that the operators are seldom around.
[11:14] <bazhang> its likely not a problem that will be solved overnight
[11:14] <bazhang> unless they get some operators who are there full time-ish
[11:20] <elkbuntu> ugh, there was another visitor. i suspect it is time for you to lurk with us
[11:20] <elkbuntu> bazhang, * _kamaz_ (n=faraonxg@91.196.7.26) has joined #ubuntu-women
[11:20] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-offtopic, magnetron said: !nexenta is an Ubuntu derivative with an OpenSolaris kernel
 Здравствуйте о прекрасная половина человечества!!!!
 эээ.......меня кто нибудь слышит?
 question is we want create channel 'ubuntu-blackjack-and-hookers' <--via PM
[11:21] <elkbuntu> bazhang, dmay is not in there anymore
[11:21] <elkbuntu> and next time i see him there, he'll be asked to go
[11:21] <bazhang> he knows not to go there
[11:22] <bazhang> as does everyone in that channel
[11:22] <bazhang> and have done so for some time now
[11:22] <elkbuntu> yeah, i've been busy the past few weeks
[11:23] <bazhang> no.
[11:23] <bazhang> I mean in -ru
[11:23] <elkbuntu> bazhang, but you're welcome to sit in the channel. i suspect if you're there, they might actually believe they're busted
[11:23] <bazhang> their operators are *never* around
[11:23] <elkbuntu> and they cant try a hesaid shesaid thing
[11:23] <elkbuntu> i mean #ubuntu-women, dear
[11:23] <bazhang> okay
[11:24] <bazhang> the real solution in my opinion is to have the -ru operators around, or just dissolve that channel entirely.
[11:25] <elkbuntu> bazhang, until then, we need you to be the instrument of consequence
[11:25] <bazhang> nice choice of words
[11:26] <elkbuntu> you currently have something to ... well... blackmail them into behaving with. if you dissolve the channel, you wont.
[11:27] <bazhang> but I think the same of -ot :)
[11:27] <elkbuntu> sometimes the only difference between the two is the charset
[11:27] <bazhang> true
[11:57] <Myrtti> after having eaten poorly for a week and being super annoyed about everything, nothing beats a big Sub with roast beef.
[12:01] <jussi01> anyone know the command to star gnome network manager?
[12:01] <jussi01> start*
[12:07] <jussi01> nvm...
[12:39] <elkbuntu> gdm ...
[12:44] <Myrtti> nm-applet
[12:44] <Myrtti> come 1700 EET, I'll open the wine bottle and drink myself silly.
[12:45] <Myrtti> be warned.
[12:47] <Myrtti> I'll be off irc though
[12:47] <Myrtti> watching Forrest Gump
[14:22] <genii> jussi01: I think I have it sorted now to auto identify but we won't know til next core disconnect I guess
[15:48] <LjL> !puregnome
[15:50] <LjL> !no puregnome is <reply> If you want to remove all !KDE packages, type « sudo apt-get remove kdelibs4c2 ; sudo apt-get remove kdelibs5 ; sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop »
[15:50] <LjL> those instructions are outdated and bad, see #Ubuntu
[15:52] <nickrud> ljl, does that take out the sound subsystem, or is kde using modern stuff now?
[15:53] <LjL> nickrud: on Hardy, KDE 3 uses what it always used, but i've no idea about KDE 4 and Intrepid
[15:55] <nickrud> ljl I used to use the purge libqt3-mt trick but had to remove a few other bits as well; as you can see that's extremely obsolete though
[15:55] <LjL> nickrud, yes that's why i removed the "and have a default Ubuntu system" part. but that remove line was just *bad*.
[15:56] <ikonia> Hmmm raul still hasn't joined #debian, I bet 10 minutes until the next time he just randomly asks
[15:56] <nickrud> oh, I believe you. It's over a year old I think
[16:21] <LjL> bazhang: wait, anyone who enters is +b...?
[16:21] <bazhang> LjL, from -ru yes
[16:21] <LjL> bazhang: by default?
[16:21] <bazhang> LjL, they were told not to go in there and harass
[16:21] <bazhang> LjL, and they ignored it
[16:22] <LjL> uhm
[16:22] <LjL> still, we don't ban people from #ubuntu by default just because they're also in, say, #archlinux? until they actually *do* something?
[16:22] <ikonia> just take this to freenode
[16:22] <bazhang> nice in theory, but this is a unique situation
[16:23] <ikonia> the archlinux-offtopic channel is unacceptable
[16:23] <LjL> ikonia: that's not what we're talking about, it was an example
[16:23] <ikonia> in terms of breeding ground to harrass other channels
[16:23] <ikonia> ahh
[16:23] <ikonia> sorry
[16:23] <ikonia> I thought it had kicked off again
[16:23] <LjL> ikonia: no, it's about #ubuntu-women
[16:23] <bazhang> LjL, freenode made me the operator of -ru in response to this
[16:23] <ikonia> oh this again
[16:23] <LjL> ikonia: where apparently anyone who joins there coming from #ubuntu-ru gets banned
[16:24] <bazhang> LjL, freenode knows about the situation. they want it under control.
[16:24] <ikonia> there was disscusion on this a few days ago
[16:24] <LjL> bazhang: right, which means they wanted you to ensure that the mess-up stops in *#ubuntu-ru*, not that *#ubuntu-women* ban people by default
[16:24] <LjL> look
[16:25] <ikonia> can't do ban by default
[16:25] <LjL> i've been trying to convince a channel just two days ago that the correct way to deal with harassing users from another channel was NOT to ban by default anyone coming from that channel
[16:25] <LjL> now if the very same is happening in a channel in the main namespace, then i'm starting to feel like a fool
[16:26] <ikonia> LjL: you can't have ban on sight for a whole channel
[16:26] <bazhang> LjL, I have only so many hours in a day I can sit in there; the usual operators are *never* there.
[16:26] <ikonia> I'm sure there are legitimate -ru users ?
[16:26] <ikonia> bazhang: is it possible to find other operators ?
[16:26] <LjL> ikonia, i agree with that
[16:26] <LjL> bazhang: fair enough, but that doesn't justify banning by default
[16:26] <LjL> once a channel had *.it banned
[16:26] <LjL> i didn't like that
[16:26] <bazhang> LjL, banning for harassment does
[16:26] <LjL> this is exceedingly similar
[16:26] <LjL> bazhang: sure, if there *is* actual harassment
[16:27] <ikonia> bazhang: have not the problem users been banned ?
[16:27] <bazhang> LjL, and that is the only reason they have ever gone in there.
[16:27] <LjL> bazhang: not if someone just *is* in a given channel
[16:27] <ikonia> bazhang: I thought there was only say 4 guys who where a problem
[16:27] <bazhang> LjL, for them enter=harass
[16:27] <LjL> bazhang: that sounds very much like the equation italians on irc = a mess
[16:27] <LjL> which leads channels to banning all italians
[16:27] <LjL> which is not acceptable
[16:28] <bazhang> LjL, if there was an elegant solution to this I would be all for it.
[16:28] <bazhang> LjL, they still treat it all as a big joke.
[16:28] <LjL> bazhang: ban people who actually start harassing.
[16:28] <bazhang> LjL, that is what is happening.
[16:28] <ikonia> bazhang: how many of them are there ?
[16:29] <LjL> bazhang: ok then i'm not understanding
[16:29] <bazhang> apparently not.
[16:29] <LjL> bazhang: if someone is in -ru and they join #ubuntu-women, do they get banned immediately, or not?
[16:29] <bazhang> the only reason they go in there is to harass and make sex jokes.
[16:30] <bazhang> which the users of -women do not find amusing or welcome
[16:30] <LjL> bazhang: ok, so do they get banned *after* they start doing that, or *before*?
[16:32] <bazhang> LjL, they are challenging this by stating that going in there and making those kinds of jokes is some kind of free speech issue; that they have the right to go where they please and do what they wish under the banner of 'free speech'
[16:33] <LjL> of course that's a bogus claim
[16:33] <LjL> but they do have a right to join an #ubuntu channel
[16:33] <LjL> they just don't have the right to say stuff that's not acceptable in it
[16:33] <ikonia> unless they are banned for their behaviour
[16:33] <LjL> sure
[16:33] <bazhang> mau_ and polatov were able to explain why they went in there and thus were unbanned.
[16:33] <ikonia> some of these are known issues and should be banned for the behabiour and the ban not lifted
[16:34] <bazhang> free speech simply does not enter into it.
[16:34] <LjL> bazhang: but to begin with, they were banned without a reason? had those two *done anything*?
[16:34] <bazhang> one user from that channel wants to open a channel called ubuntu-blackjack_and_hookers
[16:35] <LjL> good riddance to them, it'll get closed before they know
[16:35] <ikonia> bazhang: sounds like you have your hands ful
[16:35] <ikonia> full even
[16:36] <bazhang> imagine -ot at its worst and multiply by 10
[16:36] <LjL> anyway
[16:37] <LjL> i won't accept bans merely set because someone is on a given loco channel. that'd be discriminatory. if someone, a *specific* person, actually *behaves* badly, then of course that's another story.
[16:38] <bazhang> they are only in there for one reason and one reason alone. to harass.
[16:38] <LjL> bans set on country domains, or on people who haven't actually even spoken on a channel (unless they've *personally* expressed the intention to troll that channel -- not *someone else* on the same channel has), aren't acceptable
[16:38] <LjL> bazhang: that's apparently not true, because you just said that mau_ and polatov aren't
[16:38] <LjL> so that's already to exceptions
[16:38] <bazhang> no.
[16:38] <LjL> generalizing automatically is not acceptable.
[16:38] <bazhang> mau_ did not know.
[16:39] <bazhang> polatov was part of the original crew.
[16:39] <bazhang> he knows not to go back.
[16:51] <LjL> bazhang: are any of the -ru *operators* involved in the harassment?
[16:52] <bazhang> LjL, one entered with the others, but did not openly make the comments 
[16:54] <LjL> bazhang: any evidence of operators *being* around, *seeing* plans to go troll -women, and not saying a word about them?
[16:55] <bazhang> LjL, no direct evidence that I have seen
[16:55] <bazhang> only circumstantial, ie entering the channel at the same time.
[17:02] <LjL> bazhang: is it just me or are you hiding from a4 the fact that you can read russian? :P
[17:02] <bazhang> LjL, not hiding it; have not disclosed it
[17:10] <bazhang> a4 still does not get it.
[17:13] <LjL> bazhang: how come i don't even see him as part of the russian team?
[17:13] <Myrtti> am I even grasping the idea now?
[17:13] <bazhang> LjL, not sure.
[17:13] <Myrtti> am I explaining things simply enough?
[17:14] <bazhang> he just does not want to get it, imo
[17:14] <LjL> well
[17:14] <bazhang> he wants to go in there and chat people up.
[17:14] <LjL> his level of english is also... suboptimal
[17:14] <Pici> You speaker?
[17:14] <Myrtti> I have no idea
[17:14] <Pici> I think the analogies aren't translating well.
[17:15] <Myrtti> I think I might have to blog that
[17:15] <Myrtti> and have it also translated
[17:15] <bazhang> speak = speech
[17:15] <bazhang> you speaker = speechify
[17:16] <LjL> which in turn means what? :P
[17:16] <Myrtti> he assumes I'm cutpasting that from somewhere
[17:16] <bazhang> that he wants to get down to brass tacks.
[17:16] <bazhang> and be allowed to come in and chat people up.
[17:17] <Myrtti> that it's a ready made thing, a lecture
[17:18] <bazhang> blunt is better imo.
[17:18] <LjL> Myrtti: he won't have a single clue what "gawk", "tear" and "stomp" would mean, most likely
[17:18] <LjL> i don't know what the former means myself
[17:18] <bazhang> leer at
[17:19] <bazhang> gawker.com
[17:19] <Myrtti> I guess I was assuming that his vocabulary would be a bit better than polatovs
[17:19] <Pici> "to stare with empty-minded fascination"
[17:19] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[17:19] <LjL> and i don't even know what "leer" means. but no worries, i have a dictionary
[17:20] <Pici> O.O = gawk
[17:20] <bazhang> ogle
[17:20] <LjL> just trying to say that sometimes (especially in english) the words that you'd consider "everyday" and "common" are the least known ones to foreign speakers
[17:20] <Myrtti> LjL: omg, I'm too English
[17:20] <LjL> for me as an italian for instance, the latinate words that you'd consider most awkward are often familiar, but apples and strawberries are not
[17:21] <LjL> Myrtti: no but you speak a language where there's no bias towards or against latin words
[17:21] <LjL> so you don't perceive that difference
[17:21] <LjL> now, russian isn't latin to begin with so it's not the same thing
[17:21] <Pici> LjL: English has a lot of slang that has integrated itself into the core of the language.
[17:21] <LjL> but he just plainly knows too little english to understand your analogy imo
[17:21] <bazhang> yep
[17:22] <bazhang> better to invoke Yosemite Sam
[17:22] <LjL> Pici: that's another issue but to someone like me, whether it's slang or just a typical one-syllable germanic word makes little difference - as in, not a clue
[17:28] <LjL> this is ending up like a huge advertisement of -women
[17:29] <Myrtti> as long as, excuse the language, the idiots stay the fuck out of there
[17:29] <Myrtti> and I mean only the idiots.
[17:29] <Myrtti> people who Get It are always welcome
[17:30] <LjL> Myrtti, -irc is getting too many spectators, some are bound to not stay the fuck out of there.
[17:35]  * Pici facepalms
[17:37] <LjL> bazhang: might -ru-offtopic have anything to do with all these spectators coming in?
[17:37] <bazhang> LjL, no idea
[17:46] <Myrtti> [19:45] < fbc> I'm curious, If an Ubuntu Muslim edition locates an Ubuntu Jewish  Edition online does it try to attack it?
[17:46] <Myrtti> [19:45] < Myrtti> fbc: you're so badly offtopic, it doesn't fit into Ubuntu IRC  channels.
[17:46] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[17:46] <jdong> politically incorrect joke FAIL?
[17:46] <Myrtti> is there a command to check which app is blocking my alsa?
[17:46] <LjL> Myrtti: problem is, it's not so far from the truth...
[17:47] <LjL> Myrtti: if it's going through pulseaudio, i doubt it...?
[17:47] <LjL> and if it doesn't, i still don't know
[17:47] <Myrtti> Pici: ♥ 
[17:47] <LjL> if it were OSS, you'd just lsof
[17:47] <jdong> LjL: but the Ubuntu Jewish Edition will call for help from Ubuntu US Edition and before we know it 9 trillion dollars are being dropped on the geographic region and we go into recession?
[17:48] <Pici> lsof works for alsa too, I'm not sure how to check with pulse
[17:48] <Pici> Well, I mean you can use lsof, but it just says the mixer is using it here.
[17:48] <jdong> pulse's alsa sink shouldn't  be blockable
[17:48] <LjL> Pici: what do you see in lsof with alsa?
[17:49] <Myrtti> I saw nothing with /dev/dsp
[17:49] <Myrtti> but got firefox and ekiga with alsa
[17:49] <Myrtti> and miraculously, killing firefox and restarting alsa worked ♥ 
[17:49] <Myrtti> I love you guys
[17:50] <LjL> jdong: well, that'd call for a voting by the UN, i mean the IRCC, which of course would be stalled for a couple of decades, and meanwhile yes, all would rot
[17:50] <Myrtti> I'm sure I wrote elkies address on back of a Christmas card already
[17:50] <Pici> LjL: I used to be able to see what was using it.  I don't have a /dev/dsp anymore here though, grepping for /dev/snd gives me mixer_app
[17:50] <Myrtti> but where the heck did I put it to?!
[17:51] <Myrtti> oh, nvm
[17:51] <Myrtti> I wrote it on THE ENVELOPE
[17:51] <Pici> GAS{
[17:51] <LjL> uhm, starting aplay /bin/sh does give me a couple more /dev/snd/pcm* entries
[17:51] <Pici> er, GASP. 
[17:58] <Myrtti> is the flash installation broken again?
[17:58] <Myrtti> http://twitter.com/popey/statuses/1040506325
[17:59] <ikonia> yes
[17:59] <ikonia> adobe has changed the url this morning
[17:59] <Myrtti> do we need a factoid?
[17:59] <Myrtti> :-/
[17:59] <Myrtti> again
[17:59] <ikonia> I'm waiting to see if its a perm change or not
[17:59] <ikonia> before I went nuts on it
[17:59] <ikonia> only a few people have asked so far
[18:00] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell XenSA about pm
[18:00] <Myrtti> !search qt4
[18:00] <Myrtti> ubottu: tell XenSA about qt
[18:06] <Myrtti> I suck in drawing kangaroos
[19:17] <vorian> anyone else get a pm from ubuntu_?
[19:17] <Pici> Not I/
[19:18] <vorian> they are in #kubuntu
[20:21] <TheMuso> Is anybody looking into getting a temporary ubuntu FossCamp/UDS cloak? I can PM someone the IP I am currently accessing IRC from.
[20:22] <Pici> Affiliated cloaks override gateway cloaks, so I'm not sure it will be of much use to cloaked Ubuntu members attending UDS
[20:22] <LjL> bah
[20:23] <Pici> humbug?
[20:23] <LjL> there's a lot of what i think is nonsense being said about GRUB in #ubuntu, if someone who knows anything about it wants to check... i don't
[20:24] <TheMuso> LjL: I know about the member c loaks, but I am thinking of various people who are attending fosscamp/UDS who do not have cloaks of any sort. I've seen some already.
[20:25] <PriceChild> TheMuso: iline@freenode.net please.
[20:25] <PriceChild> TheMuso: wait lemme just double check that's iline not ilines.
[20:26] <PriceChild> TheMuso: yep its iline@freenode.net Would be great if you could send the request there.
[20:27] <TheMuso> PriceChild: Ok thanks, will get to it in a bit.
[20:29] <ikonia> LjL: your correct, massive ammount of nonsense
[20:58] <Pici> Why?
[20:58] <Pici> @ orgthingy in -ot
[20:59] <LjL> Pici: you mean the gnaa references?
[20:59] <Pici> LjL: Yeah
[20:59] <LjL> Pici: i dunno. i would guess he's had issues with magnetron before, and he attempted a half assed joke.
[21:00] <LjL> Pici: orgthingy is one of the names i have on mental highlight list anyway. as in, no real idea who he is, still rings a bell in the distance for some reason
[21:00] <Pici> LjL: Ditto.
[21:05] <LjL> and now i have blurry in my query (no surprise, he highlighted me before)... wthiswthdhw
[22:33] <Myrtti> erm.
[22:33] <Myrtti> stdin? jussi01?
[22:33] <Myrtti> help?
[22:33] <Myrtti> what are you guys doing?
[22:51] <mneptok> damn you, peer!
[23:31] <mneptok> jussi01_: meep
[23:34] <Myrtti> where's me phone
[23:34] <Myrtti> ...
[23:34] <Myrtti> perkele
[23:35] <mneptok> pairrrrrrrrrrrrrkehleh
[23:36] <Myrtti> "um, ubottu is really very very annoyingly dead. if you could do something about that, would be nice."
[23:37] <Myrtti> text message sent