[00:05] genii: bad idea with Mez. her prefers the desalinated tears of nubile virgins. [00:11] Might be difficult to find enough of those to quench a thirst... [00:31] exaaaactly [00:59] Hi [00:59] LJL? [00:59] You there? [01:00] Oh, that guy. [01:05] no i'm not [01:18] In #ubuntu-offtopic, __mikem said: !stallman is alias Toolbag! [01:18] Hm [01:19] * mneptok is dealing [01:21] Cards, I hope [01:22] with __mikem [01:24] nice [01:32] genii: you need to identify [01:33] stdin: Thanks. I wonder what happened there. [01:34] jussio1: Restarting core or so? [01:34] I'm guessing it happened when the connection timed out [01:34] [00:37]* genii has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [01:34] [00:39]* genii (n=genii@oul110-gw10.netplaza.fi) has joined #ubuntu-ops [01:34] stdin: Yes, looks like his quassel core some issue then [01:35] wouldn't be any fun without a few bugs to squish [01:36] although, it identified for jussio1 when it reconnected [01:36] Yes, weird [01:36] how do you set it to identify? [01:38] stdin: Similar method as Konv [01:39] it's probably better to put the nickserv password as the server password [01:39] the client is probably not sending the message when it reconnects [01:39] I'll look into it's settings there [01:40] weekend has arrived early [01:56] * [e^2pi] (n=faryshta@189.145.197.229): Angel Guevara [01:56] sandwich=menaige a trois? [01:57] can't even spell it right.... [01:57] that channel needs to be cleaned out. [01:58] much like the augean stables [03:01] * mneptok diverts the St. Lawrence [03:08] * jussio1 waves [03:08] * genii wobbles [03:09] * mneptok cacks up a furball [03:14] genii: so did you get the identify thing sorted? [03:15] jussio1: in the future, please ask before prodding my furballs with sticks. i may not be finished with that. thanks. [03:15] O:) [03:16] mneptok: I always thought you were mad, now Im certain... [03:17] * mneptok beeps incessantly [03:42] Second time this hour with this in ubuntu.. http://www.sexyemilie.com/?id=303558 [03:54] Pnux called the ops in #ubuntu () === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 [07:38] elkbuntu: How embarassing [07:38] Flannel, yes. [07:39] looks like john crawford did the physical adding. version 31, 10-25 [07:39] but, That likely didn't come from him, as its in a whole slew of additions, etc. Wonder what ML they use [07:40] it says at the bottom [07:40] Yeah, it doesn't have much info though, I guess I'll check the ideas page info [07:41] Not there. [07:41] ah, -news-team [07:41] i'm going to mail a complaint about inappropriateness to there [07:42] Hmmm, I don't see any originl mention on that ML. But I'll keep looking (at least, not with subject searches) [07:43] it'll at least get to the right places === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant [08:42] 30 seconds lag? [08:55] oh crap. i think i cant get my s key back on... [09:04] can I reboot the universe somehow? [09:06] Myrtti, i wish. [09:06] yay, i fixeded my s key [09:10] Myrtti: did you upgrade its kernel? [09:10] Flannel: I was just hoping some settings would reset [09:12] Myrtti: which ones? [09:13] the ones that make my life constant misery [09:13] the stupidity quotient [09:13] like yesterday [09:13] I can't mull in this enough [09:13] it feels too good to curse with a good reason for a while [09:13] http://myrtti.jaiku.com/presence/50050778 [09:18] Myrtti, when is your flickr due? [09:19] "You have a Flickr Pro Account. It expires on 19th December, 2008." [09:19] I was going to write a "Dear Santa" letter anyway... [09:19] I guess I should write it now [09:19] Myrtti, you deserve a xmas pressie from me. [09:20] :-o [09:20] now, how do i buy flickr voucher things? [09:21] up off the floor girl [09:24] Myrtti, i'm assuming gifts can be used for renewals, yes? [09:25] well... yes. [09:29] * Myrtti pokes jussi01 with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™ [09:29] *SQUEEEAK* [09:30] * elkbuntu waits for the email. [09:33] Myrtti, your nick at your domain? [09:34] should work, aswell as @ubuntu [09:35] Does anyone know why the name 'anandjones' is banned? [09:36] because there was a person using it who was harrassing users. [09:36] hmm [09:36] is it some obscure pop reference or something? [09:36] my friend uses the nick as well [09:36] If its obscure, is it really a pop reference? [09:37] Flannel, obscure to me, pop to someone? [09:37] elkbuntu: I don't see it in the bt, am I... blind? [09:37] * Myrtti sees it neither [09:37] I'll ask him what is actually banned [09:37] Stratton: you can have them join this channel, that'd be easiest and fastest [09:37] kk [09:38] we usually don't do by proxy unbanning [09:38] nice to talk to the actual person [09:39] Hey [09:39] hi [09:39] Stratton, what channel is this person banned from? [09:39] elkbuntu: check realname [09:39] anandjones, what channel were you trying to enter? [09:39] #ubuntu [09:40] aha [09:40] yes that one [09:40] anandjones, please change your realname to not have swearing in it. we ban it because it stops more trolls than actual users. [09:41] oh [09:41] k [09:41] the /b/ culture has alot to answer for [09:41] you'll need to reconnect to the network for it to take effect === Stratton is now known as StrattonBRB [09:42] k === StrattonBRB is now known as Stratton [09:46] Thanks for the help ^_^ [10:04] bazhang, awake? [10:04] elkbuntu, hi [10:05] we just had another visit from -ru [10:05] well... [10:05] -ru* [10:05] we being -women [10:05] who [10:05] mau_dZe_doon [10:05] not that it matters [10:05] n=mau_@92.255.160.75 [10:05] was just going to ask is there something going on again? [10:06] [12:04] [freenode] ~~~ channels : #ubuntu-women #ubuntu-ru-offtopic #ubuntu-ru [10:06] I'll have a chat with him [10:06] bazhang, it was a flyby [10:06] bazhang, nothing said, just join and flee [10:06] elkbuntu, nonetheless [10:06] better to nip it in the bud [10:06] which makes us even more suspicious as scouting is rarely done with good intent [10:06] yep [10:07] (well, scouting *there*) [10:07] exactly [10:11] * elkbuntu tries to find a cheap 3g usb dongle [10:12] polatov, #ubuntu-irc [10:12] polatov, not here [10:12] *shudder* [10:13] bazhang: have I mentioned to you lately how much I love you? [10:14] Myrtti, they have no reason whatsoever to go in there, ever. [10:14] bazhang, well, unless they have the pointy bits rather than the dangly bits. [10:15] elkbuntu, iirc there is a -ru-women [10:16] bazhang, i dont blame them. [10:16] but, intermingling is usually A Good Thing [10:17] just, i dont feel like intermingling until -ru changes their act -- big time. [10:19] bazhang, he's replying to me? [10:19] or, he has no idea what i'm saying? [10:20] if they'd forget #ubuntu-women exists [10:20] elkbuntu, he is talking to me for the most part [10:20] and just look at the web pages [10:20] and look at our blogging [10:20] I'd be happy [10:20] and look at our contributions to Ubuntu [10:21] Myrtti, uh your comments are disabled, right? [10:21] elkbuntu: no, they either need my approval or openid [10:21] close enough [10:22] I've had that like that always, I don't need a single spam [10:31] I feel like I'm wading in rice pudding talking to him [10:32] I'm off to do my groceries, bbl [10:35] Myrtti, I think I better continue with this. [10:36] thank god for google translate. [10:36] and sanakirja.org [10:37] * elkbuntu cuddles Myrtti and sends her off to buy noms [10:37] http://www.sanakirja.org/search.php?q=mention&l=-1&l2=-1 [10:37] (also with an English UI, click on the right hand side) [10:38] --> [10:57] the main problem with that channel, apart from the immaturity of some of the users, is that the operators are seldom around. === _jason is now known as jrib [11:14] its likely not a problem that will be solved overnight [11:14] unless they get some operators who are there full time-ish [11:20] ugh, there was another visitor. i suspect it is time for you to lurk with us [11:20] bazhang, * _kamaz_ (n=faraonxg@91.196.7.26) has joined #ubuntu-women [11:20] In #ubuntu-offtopic, magnetron said: !nexenta is an Ubuntu derivative with an OpenSolaris kernel [11:20] In #ubuntu-offtopic, magnetron said: !nexenta is an Ubuntu derivative with an OpenSolaris kernel [11:21] <_kamaz_> Здравствуйте о прекрасная половина человечества!!!! [11:21] <_kamaz_> эээ.......меня кто нибудь слышит? [11:21] question is we want create channel 'ubuntu-blackjack-and-hookers' <--via PM [11:21] bazhang, dmay is not in there anymore [11:21] and next time i see him there, he'll be asked to go [11:21] he knows not to go there [11:22] as does everyone in that channel [11:22] and have done so for some time now [11:22] yeah, i've been busy the past few weeks [11:23] no. [11:23] I mean in -ru [11:23] bazhang, but you're welcome to sit in the channel. i suspect if you're there, they might actually believe they're busted [11:23] their operators are *never* around [11:23] and they cant try a hesaid shesaid thing [11:23] i mean #ubuntu-women, dear [11:23] okay [11:24] the real solution in my opinion is to have the -ru operators around, or just dissolve that channel entirely. [11:25] bazhang, until then, we need you to be the instrument of consequence [11:25] nice choice of words [11:26] you currently have something to ... well... blackmail them into behaving with. if you dissolve the channel, you wont. [11:27] but I think the same of -ot :) [11:27] sometimes the only difference between the two is the charset [11:27] true [11:57] after having eaten poorly for a week and being super annoyed about everything, nothing beats a big Sub with roast beef. [12:01] anyone know the command to star gnome network manager? [12:01] start* [12:07] nvm... [12:39] gdm ... [12:44] nm-applet [12:44] come 1700 EET, I'll open the wine bottle and drink myself silly. [12:45] be warned. [12:47] I'll be off irc though [12:47] watching Forrest Gump === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [14:22] jussi01: I think I have it sorted now to auto identify but we won't know til next core disconnect I guess === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [15:48] !puregnome [15:48] If you want to remove all !KDE packages and have a default !Ubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome » [15:50] !no puregnome is If you want to remove all !KDE packages, type « sudo apt-get remove kdelibs4c2 ; sudo apt-get remove kdelibs5 ; sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop » [15:50] I'll remember that LjL [15:50] those instructions are outdated and bad, see #Ubuntu [15:52] ljl, does that take out the sound subsystem, or is kde using modern stuff now? [15:53] nickrud: on Hardy, KDE 3 uses what it always used, but i've no idea about KDE 4 and Intrepid [15:55] ljl I used to use the purge libqt3-mt trick but had to remove a few other bits as well; as you can see that's extremely obsolete though [15:55] nickrud, yes that's why i removed the "and have a default Ubuntu system" part. but that remove line was just *bad*. [15:56] Hmmm raul still hasn't joined #debian, I bet 10 minutes until the next time he just randomly asks [15:56] oh, I believe you. It's over a year old I think [16:21] bazhang: wait, anyone who enters is +b...? [16:21] LjL, from -ru yes [16:21] bazhang: by default? [16:21] LjL, they were told not to go in there and harass [16:21] LjL, and they ignored it [16:22] uhm [16:22] still, we don't ban people from #ubuntu by default just because they're also in, say, #archlinux? until they actually *do* something? [16:22] just take this to freenode [16:22] nice in theory, but this is a unique situation [16:23] the archlinux-offtopic channel is unacceptable [16:23] ikonia: that's not what we're talking about, it was an example [16:23] in terms of breeding ground to harrass other channels [16:23] ahh [16:23] sorry [16:23] I thought it had kicked off again [16:23] ikonia: no, it's about #ubuntu-women [16:23] LjL, freenode made me the operator of -ru in response to this [16:23] oh this again [16:23] ikonia: where apparently anyone who joins there coming from #ubuntu-ru gets banned [16:24] LjL, freenode knows about the situation. they want it under control. [16:24] there was disscusion on this a few days ago [16:24] bazhang: right, which means they wanted you to ensure that the mess-up stops in *#ubuntu-ru*, not that *#ubuntu-women* ban people by default [16:24] look [16:25] can't do ban by default [16:25] i've been trying to convince a channel just two days ago that the correct way to deal with harassing users from another channel was NOT to ban by default anyone coming from that channel [16:25] now if the very same is happening in a channel in the main namespace, then i'm starting to feel like a fool [16:26] LjL: you can't have ban on sight for a whole channel [16:26] LjL, I have only so many hours in a day I can sit in there; the usual operators are *never* there. [16:26] I'm sure there are legitimate -ru users ? [16:26] bazhang: is it possible to find other operators ? [16:26] ikonia, i agree with that [16:26] bazhang: fair enough, but that doesn't justify banning by default [16:26] once a channel had *.it banned [16:26] i didn't like that [16:26] LjL, banning for harassment does [16:26] this is exceedingly similar [16:26] bazhang: sure, if there *is* actual harassment [16:27] bazhang: have not the problem users been banned ? [16:27] LjL, and that is the only reason they have ever gone in there. [16:27] bazhang: not if someone just *is* in a given channel [16:27] bazhang: I thought there was only say 4 guys who where a problem [16:27] LjL, for them enter=harass [16:27] bazhang: that sounds very much like the equation italians on irc = a mess [16:27] which leads channels to banning all italians [16:27] which is not acceptable [16:28] LjL, if there was an elegant solution to this I would be all for it. [16:28] LjL, they still treat it all as a big joke. [16:28] bazhang: ban people who actually start harassing. [16:28] LjL, that is what is happening. [16:28] bazhang: how many of them are there ? [16:29] bazhang: ok then i'm not understanding [16:29] apparently not. [16:29] bazhang: if someone is in -ru and they join #ubuntu-women, do they get banned immediately, or not? [16:29] the only reason they go in there is to harass and make sex jokes. [16:30] which the users of -women do not find amusing or welcome [16:30] bazhang: ok, so do they get banned *after* they start doing that, or *before*? [16:32] LjL, they are challenging this by stating that going in there and making those kinds of jokes is some kind of free speech issue; that they have the right to go where they please and do what they wish under the banner of 'free speech' [16:33] of course that's a bogus claim [16:33] but they do have a right to join an #ubuntu channel [16:33] they just don't have the right to say stuff that's not acceptable in it [16:33] unless they are banned for their behaviour [16:33] sure [16:33] mau_ and polatov were able to explain why they went in there and thus were unbanned. [16:33] some of these are known issues and should be banned for the behabiour and the ban not lifted [16:34] free speech simply does not enter into it. [16:34] bazhang: but to begin with, they were banned without a reason? had those two *done anything*? [16:34] one user from that channel wants to open a channel called ubuntu-blackjack_and_hookers [16:35] good riddance to them, it'll get closed before they know [16:35] bazhang: sounds like you have your hands ful [16:35] full even [16:36] imagine -ot at its worst and multiply by 10 [16:36] anyway [16:37] i won't accept bans merely set because someone is on a given loco channel. that'd be discriminatory. if someone, a *specific* person, actually *behaves* badly, then of course that's another story. [16:38] they are only in there for one reason and one reason alone. to harass. [16:38] bans set on country domains, or on people who haven't actually even spoken on a channel (unless they've *personally* expressed the intention to troll that channel -- not *someone else* on the same channel has), aren't acceptable [16:38] bazhang: that's apparently not true, because you just said that mau_ and polatov aren't [16:38] so that's already to exceptions [16:38] no. [16:38] generalizing automatically is not acceptable. [16:38] mau_ did not know. [16:39] polatov was part of the original crew. [16:39] he knows not to go back. [16:51] bazhang: are any of the -ru *operators* involved in the harassment? [16:52] LjL, one entered with the others, but did not openly make the comments [16:54] bazhang: any evidence of operators *being* around, *seeing* plans to go troll -women, and not saying a word about them? [16:55] LjL, no direct evidence that I have seen [16:55] only circumstantial, ie entering the channel at the same time. [17:02] bazhang: is it just me or are you hiding from a4 the fact that you can read russian? :P [17:02] LjL, not hiding it; have not disclosed it [17:10] a4 still does not get it. [17:13] bazhang: how come i don't even see him as part of the russian team? [17:13] am I even grasping the idea now? [17:13] LjL, not sure. [17:13] am I explaining things simply enough? [17:14] he just does not want to get it, imo [17:14] well [17:14] he wants to go in there and chat people up. [17:14] his level of english is also... suboptimal [17:14] You speaker? [17:14] I have no idea [17:14] I think the analogies aren't translating well. [17:15] I think I might have to blog that [17:15] and have it also translated [17:15] speak = speech [17:15] you speaker = speechify [17:16] which in turn means what? :P [17:16] he assumes I'm cutpasting that from somewhere [17:16] that he wants to get down to brass tacks. [17:16] and be allowed to come in and chat people up. [17:17] that it's a ready made thing, a lecture [17:18] blunt is better imo. [17:18] Myrtti: he won't have a single clue what "gawk", "tear" and "stomp" would mean, most likely [17:18] i don't know what the former means myself [17:18] leer at [17:19] gawker.com [17:19] I guess I was assuming that his vocabulary would be a bit better than polatovs [17:19] "to stare with empty-minded fascination" [17:19] *sigh* [17:19] and i don't even know what "leer" means. but no worries, i have a dictionary [17:20] O.O = gawk [17:20] ogle [17:20] just trying to say that sometimes (especially in english) the words that you'd consider "everyday" and "common" are the least known ones to foreign speakers [17:20] LjL: omg, I'm too English [17:20] for me as an italian for instance, the latinate words that you'd consider most awkward are often familiar, but apples and strawberries are not [17:21] Myrtti: no but you speak a language where there's no bias towards or against latin words [17:21] so you don't perceive that difference [17:21] now, russian isn't latin to begin with so it's not the same thing [17:21] LjL: English has a lot of slang that has integrated itself into the core of the language. [17:21] but he just plainly knows too little english to understand your analogy imo [17:21] yep [17:22] better to invoke Yosemite Sam [17:22] Pici: that's another issue but to someone like me, whether it's slang or just a typical one-syllable germanic word makes little difference - as in, not a clue [17:28] this is ending up like a huge advertisement of -women [17:29] as long as, excuse the language, the idiots stay the fuck out of there [17:29] and I mean only the idiots. [17:29] people who Get It are always welcome [17:30] Myrtti, -irc is getting too many spectators, some are bound to not stay the fuck out of there. [17:35] * Pici facepalms [17:37] bazhang: might -ru-offtopic have anything to do with all these spectators coming in? [17:37] LjL, no idea [17:46] [19:45] < fbc> I'm curious, If an Ubuntu Muslim edition locates an Ubuntu Jewish Edition online does it try to attack it? [17:46] [19:45] < Myrtti> fbc: you're so badly offtopic, it doesn't fit into Ubuntu IRC channels. [17:46] *sigh* [17:46] politically incorrect joke FAIL? [17:46] is there a command to check which app is blocking my alsa? [17:46] Myrtti: problem is, it's not so far from the truth... [17:47] Myrtti: if it's going through pulseaudio, i doubt it...? [17:47] and if it doesn't, i still don't know [17:47] Pici: ♥ [17:47] if it were OSS, you'd just lsof [17:47] LjL: but the Ubuntu Jewish Edition will call for help from Ubuntu US Edition and before we know it 9 trillion dollars are being dropped on the geographic region and we go into recession? [17:48] lsof works for alsa too, I'm not sure how to check with pulse [17:48] Well, I mean you can use lsof, but it just says the mixer is using it here. [17:48] pulse's alsa sink shouldn't be blockable [17:48] Pici: what do you see in lsof with alsa? [17:49] I saw nothing with /dev/dsp [17:49] but got firefox and ekiga with alsa [17:49] and miraculously, killing firefox and restarting alsa worked ♥ [17:49] I love you guys [17:50] jdong: well, that'd call for a voting by the UN, i mean the IRCC, which of course would be stalled for a couple of decades, and meanwhile yes, all would rot [17:50] I'm sure I wrote elkies address on back of a Christmas card already [17:50] LjL: I used to be able to see what was using it. I don't have a /dev/dsp anymore here though, grepping for /dev/snd gives me mixer_app [17:50] but where the heck did I put it to?! [17:51] oh, nvm [17:51] I wrote it on THE ENVELOPE [17:51] GAS{ [17:51] uhm, starting aplay /bin/sh does give me a couple more /dev/snd/pcm* entries [17:51] er, GASP. [17:58] is the flash installation broken again? [17:58] http://twitter.com/popey/statuses/1040506325 [17:59] yes [17:59] adobe has changed the url this morning [17:59] do we need a factoid? [17:59] :-/ [17:59] again [17:59] I'm waiting to see if its a perm change or not [17:59] before I went nuts on it [17:59] only a few people have asked so far [18:00] ubottu: tell XenSA about pm [18:00] !search qt4 [18:00] Found: qt [18:00] ubottu: tell XenSA about qt [18:06] I suck in drawing kangaroos [19:17] anyone else get a pm from ubuntu_? [19:17] Not I/ [19:18] they are in #kubuntu [20:21] Is anybody looking into getting a temporary ubuntu FossCamp/UDS cloak? I can PM someone the IP I am currently accessing IRC from. [20:22] Affiliated cloaks override gateway cloaks, so I'm not sure it will be of much use to cloaked Ubuntu members attending UDS [20:22]