[00:01] <pochu> kees: woops, I forgot the changelog "SECURITY UPDATE" magic
[00:06] <pitti> kirkland: retroactively done :)
[00:06] <pitti> bryce: saw it, thanks a lot
[00:06] <pitti> bryce: in other news, are you already aware of the "X doesn't lock Alt+Fn for VT switching any more" bug, or shall I file one?
[00:08] <kirkland> pitti: sorry, please clarify...  are you waiting on me to fix that detect-if-eryptfs-installed error?
[00:08] <kirkland> pitti: or did you do that yourself?
[00:08] <bryce> pitti: file please
[00:09] <bryce> pitti: but mostly just been looking at X crash bug reports of late
[00:09] <pitti> bryce: alright, will do
[00:09] <pitti> kirkland: I was actually waiting for you
[00:09] <pitti> kirkland: you can probably test it quicker than me
[00:09] <bryce> pitti: btw at UDS I'd like to sit down with you and maybe jesse or alex and try to sort out getting the x signal handling stuff working
[00:09] <pitti> bryce: oh yes, that would be nice
[00:15] <pitti> bryce: done in bug 305641
[00:20] <directhex> dum de dum, /me waits for test build
[00:34] <mathiaz> cr3: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/ServerInstall
[00:39] <pochu> kees: jwendell (upstream for vinagre) has just told me there's a CVE for the vulnerability, but it's not public yet: it will be made public this Tuesday
[00:39] <Caesar> Where can I find pre-Dapper versions of Ubuntu?
[00:39] <pochu> kees: I've added a debdiff for Intrepid, btw. I'll look at Jaunty tomorrow
[00:39] <Caesar> I'm trying to track down a regression in the alternate installer
[00:39] <directhex> Caesar, there's a domain... oldreleases.ubuntu.com or similar
[00:40] <directhex> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[00:40] <Caesar> directhex: terrific, thanks
[00:41] <Caesar> Damn, no APT repo, just ISOs?
[00:42] <pochu> that's what (old-)releases.ubuntu.com is for, yes
[00:43] <kees> pochu: weird, they got a private CVE, but committed the fix in a public repo?
[00:43] <pochu> kees: looks like, yes
[00:44] <kees> okay, well, ask them if they want us to make the bug private and wait until Tuesday to release?
[00:44] <ScottK-laptop> If the code is already pubilshed ...
[00:45] <Caesar> pochu: but where do I get the source from for these old releases?
[00:45] <Caesar> nm, I see it
[00:46] <Caesar> Lucky I have a fat pipe
[00:52] <Caesar> Is the alternate installer in bzr or svn somewhere?
[00:53] <directhex> d-i?
[00:53] <Caesar> Yes
[00:53] <Caesar> But the Ubuntu modifications made
[00:54] <Caesar> Found it
[00:57] <kees> (sorry, I didn't name hilight you earlier) pochu: can you ask them if they want us to make the bug private and wait until Tuesday to release?
[00:58] <pochu> kees: sure
[00:58] <kees> pochu: thx :)
[00:58] <pochu> np ;)
[01:00] <pochu> kees: he tells me we don't need to, as the bug fix is already on the public svn repo
[01:01] <kees> pochu: cool, in that case, can you get the CVE from him and add it to the bug?  :)
[01:01] <pochu> kees: as in, it would be pointless as we wouldn't be hidding the important bits
[01:01] <mathiaz> cr3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/81125/
[01:01] <pochu> kees: he doesn't know if he's allowed to tell me the #id
[01:02] <kees> hah okay, nm, we'll attach it after Tuesday
[01:02] <kees> pochu: ^^
[01:02] <pochu> kees: it's his first CVE -> he's a good maintainer who doesn't make lots of security bugs ;)
[01:02] <pochu> kees: ok, I'll keep an eye on it
[01:02]  * kees nods
[01:02] <cr3> mathiaz: w3m http://127.0.0.1/
[01:03] <pochu> kees: thanks again for your guidance :)
[01:03] <pochu> good night all
[01:03] <kees> g'night pochu :) np
[02:48] <YokoZar> Just to let everyone know, you will probably get a nasty cold at UDS if you haven't had one already :)
[02:48] <YokoZar> It's "going around"
[04:01] <calc> YokoZar: yea i think i have it now, i thought it was some weird hangover effect from last night
[05:09]  * desrt seeks seb
[05:38] <calc> desrt: seb is in the hotel lobby i think
[05:38] <calc> desrt: well seb128 anyway
[06:22] <tonyyarusso> Hey, if pitti, Keybuk, or evand are around, I was just curious what came out of https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/encrypted-filesystems, as it's still marked as "Not started", but I thought maybe at least some of it had been done...
[06:32] <calc> tonyyarusso: there has been some discussion of it at FOSSCamp i think, not sure what the status is though
[06:32] <calc> tonyyarusso: well i think it was about that, looking at the blueprint now
[06:33] <calc> tonyyarusso: oh hmm i'm not sure if it is the same thing i heard about today
[06:33] <calc> it doesn't appear to be targeted for jaunty though
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> Specifically, it would rock if Bug #139057:
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> This report is public
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> and Bug #155987 were / have been addressed
[08:13] <chris062689> What is most of the GNOME Suite / Programs (Transmission, Games, Movie Player) written in?  Python or C?
[08:16] <Keybuk> C
[08:17] <wgrant> And they seem to have afinity to JavaScript.
[08:18] <chris062689> Where the heck did I see they were written in python...
[08:18] <wgrant> We like Python here. GNOME doesn't.
[08:18] <chris062689> Ah
[08:18] <chris062689> I just wish GNOME seemed.. more advanced.  Many options are hidden from us..
[08:19] <chris062689> I don't like running an IdiotOS :P
[08:19] <chris062689> *Idiot-proof OS
[08:19] <walters> no; python is fine available platform for writing applications, and there are quite a number of them
[08:19] <chris062689> So if I wrote something in python, it would have a lesser chance to make it upstream than a C package?
[08:20] <walters> upstream in what?
[08:20] <chris062689> I want to begin developing programs to help Ubuntu / GNOME in general, I just don't know if I should wait until after "GNOME 3.0" when everything will supposedly be cleaned up and rewritten for efficiency (right?)
[08:21] <walters> we're not rewriting much
[08:21] <walters> no no need to wait to do anything =)  just write your app
[08:21] <chris062689> I'm not really talking about Ubuntu-itself rewriting these things
[08:22] <chris062689> The GNOME project; GNOME 3.0, is esentially what KDE 4 was for KDE, cleaning up code, making it cleaner, more efficient, right?
[08:22] <walters> that's been an ongoing process for as long as GNOME has existed
[08:23] <walters> what we hope to do for 3.0 is improve the user experience
[08:23] <chris062689> Well, from what I've seen / heard (which is probably FUD) that GNOME (GTK) is rather... messy to write with
[08:25] <chris062689> true statement?  :O
[08:25] <walters> there's a learning curve for the core platform for sure, and we do want to improve that; there are a lot of aspects to that
[08:26] <chris062689> Well yeah, learning curve of course, but I'm talking about more cleanability / "easy on the eyes" code.
[08:26] <walters> anyways i wouldn't get caught up in the meta questions - if you have a dream just go for it, dive in
[08:27] <chris062689> Do you happen to have any Tutorials for C and GNOME?
[08:27] <chris062689> I'd rather write my GNOME apps in C (just simply because it's more "accepted" in GNOME territory lol)
[08:28] <walters> i would start out with pygtk
[11:22] <cliffbreaker> hi everyone. Try to build a package from source and it gives an error (when using debuild -S -sa) -  make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. How can I fix it?
[11:24] <azeem> cliffbreaker: that question is more on topic in #ubuntu-motu
[11:24] <cliffbreaker> azeem: ok, I'm sorry, just didn't know where to go to
[12:00] <sidd> hi, does any one know why fiesty is not a part of http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ?
[12:00] <wgrant> sidd: Feisty is obsolete.
[12:00] <directhex> sidd, because feisty is EOL?
[12:00] <Hobbsee> sidd: because it's unsupported?
[12:00] <directhex> try old-releases.ubuntu.com
[12:01] <sidd> okay, wgrant, directhex, hobbsee, i had a single dvd for ubuntu, my first :) and now i want to upgrade to gutsy. voila, it fails because fiesty is not there :)
[12:04] <sidd> directhex: thanks. that works.
[12:04] <directhex> upgrade to gutsy? that's a long term goal if ever i saw one ._.
[12:28] <yao_ziyuan> ubunbu better rename its default theme as "Outdoors Laptop Use" and its "DarkRoom" as "Indoors"
[12:28] <yao_ziyuan> and i strongly recommend Murrine + X-Colors as the default theme.
[12:29] <yao_ziyuan> fedora already takes nodoka, aurora has problems with firefox, and murrine is the best left
[12:30] <yao_ziyuan> my murrine desktop: http://i33.tinypic.com/2cbuhg.png
[12:30] <yao_ziyuan> my murrine apps: http://i38.tinypic.com/rkpzy9.png
[12:38]  * Hobbsee waves to sivang
[12:39] <sivang> hey Hobbsee !
[12:39] <Hobbsee> how goes it?
[12:39] <sivang> Hobbsee: it'll be good eventually :)
[12:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[13:53] <ryanhaigh> hi all, i have a problem with hardy that is fixed in the intrepid kernel. i have asked on the normal support channel and i have been told to install linux backports modules hardy but before i go trying to do that i would like to understand what this package actually is because the kernel version they apply to is 2.6.24, I checked the description but it isn't very complete, is there somewhere else i can look?
[17:08] <pochu> kees: just added the vinagre update for jaunty, will you be able to upload it, or shall I look for an sponsor?
[18:18] <pitti> tonyyarusso: it's kind of obsoleted by ecryptfs; kirkland is doing an awesome job of integrating this very nicely into jaunty
[18:28] <calc> pitti: ping
[18:28]  * StevenK prods calc in the back, just because he can.
[18:29] <calc> does apt-get in jaunty auto install recommends?
[18:29] <dholbach> calc: yes, it did in intrepid already
[18:29] <calc> i'm noticing some packages are getting installed for OOo build-dep that probably don't need to be
[18:29] <calc> dholbach: how do i disable that for a particular apt-get run?
[18:30] <dholbach> apt-get --no-install-recommends <bla>
[18:30] <dholbach> man apt-get :)
[18:30] <calc> thanks :)
[18:30]  * calc ran apt-get -h but apparently its not good enough, heh
[18:31]  * StevenK waits for locale-gen on armel
[18:46] <calc> pitti: is there a template MIR bug report that I could use?
[18:51] <calc> reduced the list to 17 source packages :)
[18:53] <calc> pitti: ah i found the wiki page about it :)
[18:53] <kirkland> evand: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/81501/
[18:54] <calc> pitti: here?
[18:55] <calc> StevenK: so should i just file the ubuntu-mir bug against OOo then?
[18:57] <StevenK> calc: Personally, I would find pitti in person, and have a 5 minute conversation. :-)
[18:58] <calc> StevenK: yea sounds good
[19:25] <amikrop> In what file are there the configuration rules for apt-get bash autocompletion?
[19:35] <RainCT> Ampelbein: /etc/bash_completion
[19:35] <RainCT> err sorry, that was for amikrop
[19:40] <nxvl> ogra: can you add a copyright and versioning (in a readme file or something) to usb-creator?
[19:41] <ogra> usb-imagewriter you mean :)
[19:41] <nxvl> right
[19:41] <pwnguin> anyone know if evolution-mapi has a package yet?
[19:42] <ogra> i'll add a script to dump the bzr changelog into a file
[19:42] <nxvl> that works
[19:42] <nxvl> i've versioned it as 0.1
[19:42] <nxvl> but i need a copyright
[19:42] <nxvl> a license actually
[19:42] <ogra> there is a sourcepackage in my PPA
[19:43]  * sebner asks himself if he should write nxvl an email :P
[19:43] <ogra> that should have a copyright
[19:43] <nxvl> got it
[19:43] <ogra> sebner: it's the communication system of the future
[19:44] <ogra> :p
[19:44] <sebner> ogra: hahaha :P
[19:45] <nxvl> sebner: e-mail works better usually
[19:45] <nxvl> sebner: but take the same time :D
[19:45] <sebner> nxvl: but messages on IRC are easier to ignore/forget than mails :P
[19:46] <nxvl> sebner: yup
[19:46] <nxvl> sebner: that's why i said that works better
[19:47] <sebner> nxvl: And if that doesn't help there is something like "mailbombs" :P
[19:47] <nxvl> yeah, that will make you win a filter
[19:47] <nxvl> :D
[19:47] <sebner> heh
[19:49] <kees> pochu: sure, one sec
[19:54] <kees> pochu: actually, since 2.24.2-1 is in Debian, is there a reason we don't just merge from Debian (instead of uploading a -0ubuntu1 version?)
[19:55] <pochu> kees: that it's been uploaded a few minutes ago :)
[19:55] <pochu> kees: I'll merge it
[19:55] <kees> pochu: sure, but I mean it seems like less work that way.  :)
[19:55] <kees> pochu: also, I noticed you dropped lool from the Uploaders in both intrepid and jaunty (not that it matters for Ubuntu)
[19:56] <seb128> kees: the uploaders list is dynamically built using the recent changelog entries
[19:56] <kees> oh! hah.
[20:13] <kirkland> evand: so we'd need to add ecryptfs.ko kernel module to the installer kernel modules
[20:13] <kirkland> evand: i added a linux task to bug #302870
[20:14] <kirkland> evand: i manually copied the .ko file into the installing system, insmod'd it
[20:14] <kirkland> evand: but i can't get the mount established in the installer
[20:14] <kirkland> "Unable to get the version number of the kernel module....."
[20:20] <evand> kirkland: not sure
[20:26] <pochu> kees: thanks for the uploads :)
[20:26]  * pochu prepares the jaunty one
[20:27] <pochu> kees: I don't need to mention "SECURITY UPDATE", nor do I need to upload to jaunty-security for the jaunty one, right?
[20:27] <kees> pochu: nah, it's a new upstream version.  normally, if the CVE# was known, it's nice to add that to the changelog, like a bug#.
[20:28] <pochu> ok
[20:32] <pochu> I'll have to wait until it appears on the pool, as it's now gone from incoming :)
[22:42] <pochu> kees: merge done, debdiff attached to the bug report
[23:17] <StevenK> pitti: Remember that schroot failureness on armel? It ICE's with -O1 too
[23:20] <glick> excuse me, for kernel dev on ubuntu what do i need to install?
[23:22] <Syke1> glick: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[23:23] <Chipzz> glick: ot here; please read the topic
[23:32] <TheMuso> Yay for a tarball in tarball package with a watch file, which seems useless, since afaik uscan cannot re-create the tarball in tarball setup.