[00:01] kees: woops, I forgot the changelog "SECURITY UPDATE" magic [00:06] kirkland: retroactively done :) [00:06] bryce: saw it, thanks a lot [00:06] bryce: in other news, are you already aware of the "X doesn't lock Alt+Fn for VT switching any more" bug, or shall I file one? [00:08] pitti: sorry, please clarify... are you waiting on me to fix that detect-if-eryptfs-installed error? [00:08] pitti: or did you do that yourself? [00:08] pitti: file please [00:09] pitti: but mostly just been looking at X crash bug reports of late [00:09] bryce: alright, will do [00:09] kirkland: I was actually waiting for you [00:09] kirkland: you can probably test it quicker than me [00:09] pitti: btw at UDS I'd like to sit down with you and maybe jesse or alex and try to sort out getting the x signal handling stuff working [00:09] bryce: oh yes, that would be nice [00:15] bryce: done in bug 305641 [00:15] Launchpad bug 305641 in xorg-server "[jaunty] Does not lock Alt+Fn, now switches VT" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/305641 [00:20] dum de dum, /me waits for test build === elpargo__ is now known as elpargo [00:34] cr3: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/ServerInstall [00:39] kees: jwendell (upstream for vinagre) has just told me there's a CVE for the vulnerability, but it's not public yet: it will be made public this Tuesday [00:39] Where can I find pre-Dapper versions of Ubuntu? [00:39] kees: I've added a debdiff for Intrepid, btw. I'll look at Jaunty tomorrow [00:39] I'm trying to track down a regression in the alternate installer [00:39] Caesar, there's a domain... oldreleases.ubuntu.com or similar [00:40] http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ [00:40] directhex: terrific, thanks [00:41] Damn, no APT repo, just ISOs? [00:42] that's what (old-)releases.ubuntu.com is for, yes [00:43] pochu: weird, they got a private CVE, but committed the fix in a public repo? [00:43] kees: looks like, yes [00:44] okay, well, ask them if they want us to make the bug private and wait until Tuesday to release? === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [00:44] If the code is already pubilshed ... [00:45] pochu: but where do I get the source from for these old releases? === Guest24294 is now known as dmb [00:45] nm, I see it [00:46] Lucky I have a fat pipe [00:52] Is the alternate installer in bzr or svn somewhere? [00:53] d-i? [00:53] Yes [00:53] But the Ubuntu modifications made [00:54] Found it [00:57] (sorry, I didn't name hilight you earlier) pochu: can you ask them if they want us to make the bug private and wait until Tuesday to release? [00:58] kees: sure [00:58] pochu: thx :) [00:58] np ;) [01:00] kees: he tells me we don't need to, as the bug fix is already on the public svn repo [01:01] pochu: cool, in that case, can you get the CVE from him and add it to the bug? :) [01:01] kees: as in, it would be pointless as we wouldn't be hidding the important bits [01:01] cr3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/81125/ [01:01] kees: he doesn't know if he's allowed to tell me the #id [01:02] hah okay, nm, we'll attach it after Tuesday [01:02] pochu: ^^ [01:02] kees: it's his first CVE -> he's a good maintainer who doesn't make lots of security bugs ;) [01:02] kees: ok, I'll keep an eye on it [01:02] * kees nods [01:02] mathiaz: w3m http://127.0.0.1/ [01:03] kees: thanks again for your guidance :) [01:03] good night all [01:03] g'night pochu :) np === ziroday` is now known as ziroday [02:48] Just to let everyone know, you will probably get a nasty cold at UDS if you haven't had one already :) [02:48] It's "going around" [04:01] YokoZar: yea i think i have it now, i thought it was some weird hangover effect from last night [05:09] * desrt seeks seb === fta is now known as fta_out [05:38] desrt: seb is in the hotel lobby i think [05:38] desrt: well seb128 anyway [06:22] Hey, if pitti, Keybuk, or evand are around, I was just curious what came out of https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/encrypted-filesystems, as it's still marked as "Not started", but I thought maybe at least some of it had been done... [06:32] tonyyarusso: there has been some discussion of it at FOSSCamp i think, not sure what the status is though [06:32] tonyyarusso: well i think it was about that, looking at the blueprint now [06:33] tonyyarusso: oh hmm i'm not sure if it is the same thing i heard about today [06:33] it doesn't appear to be targeted for jaunty though [06:33] Specifically, it would rock if Bug #139057: [06:33] This report is public [06:33] Launchpad bug 139057 in cryptsetup "Should try given password for next partition" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139057 [06:34] and Bug #155987 were / have been addressed [06:34] Launchpad bug 155987 in partman-crypto "Installer doesn't support mounting existing encryption volumes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155987 [08:13] What is most of the GNOME Suite / Programs (Transmission, Games, Movie Player) written in? Python or C? [08:16] C [08:17] And they seem to have afinity to JavaScript. [08:18] Where the heck did I see they were written in python... [08:18] We like Python here. GNOME doesn't. [08:18] Ah [08:18] I just wish GNOME seemed.. more advanced. Many options are hidden from us.. [08:19] I don't like running an IdiotOS :P [08:19] *Idiot-proof OS [08:19] no; python is fine available platform for writing applications, and there are quite a number of them [08:19] So if I wrote something in python, it would have a lesser chance to make it upstream than a C package? [08:20] upstream in what? [08:20] I want to begin developing programs to help Ubuntu / GNOME in general, I just don't know if I should wait until after "GNOME 3.0" when everything will supposedly be cleaned up and rewritten for efficiency (right?) [08:21] we're not rewriting much [08:21] no no need to wait to do anything =) just write your app [08:21] I'm not really talking about Ubuntu-itself rewriting these things [08:22] The GNOME project; GNOME 3.0, is esentially what KDE 4 was for KDE, cleaning up code, making it cleaner, more efficient, right? [08:22] that's been an ongoing process for as long as GNOME has existed [08:23] what we hope to do for 3.0 is improve the user experience [08:23] Well, from what I've seen / heard (which is probably FUD) that GNOME (GTK) is rather... messy to write with [08:25] true statement? :O [08:25] there's a learning curve for the core platform for sure, and we do want to improve that; there are a lot of aspects to that [08:26] Well yeah, learning curve of course, but I'm talking about more cleanability / "easy on the eyes" code. [08:26] anyways i wouldn't get caught up in the meta questions - if you have a dream just go for it, dive in [08:27] Do you happen to have any Tutorials for C and GNOME? [08:27] I'd rather write my GNOME apps in C (just simply because it's more "accepted" in GNOME territory lol) [08:28] i would start out with pygtk === hunger__ is now known as hunger [11:22] hi everyone. Try to build a package from source and it gives an error (when using debuild -S -sa) - make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. How can I fix it? [11:24] cliffbreaker: that question is more on topic in #ubuntu-motu [11:24] azeem: ok, I'm sorry, just didn't know where to go to === DrKranz is now known as DktrKranz [12:00] hi, does any one know why fiesty is not a part of http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ ? [12:00] sidd: Feisty is obsolete. [12:00] sidd, because feisty is EOL? [12:00] sidd: because it's unsupported? [12:00] try old-releases.ubuntu.com [12:01] okay, wgrant, directhex, hobbsee, i had a single dvd for ubuntu, my first :) and now i want to upgrade to gutsy. voila, it fails because fiesty is not there :) [12:04] directhex: thanks. that works. [12:04] upgrade to gutsy? that's a long term goal if ever i saw one ._. === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [12:28] ubunbu better rename its default theme as "Outdoors Laptop Use" and its "DarkRoom" as "Indoors" [12:28] and i strongly recommend Murrine + X-Colors as the default theme. [12:29] fedora already takes nodoka, aurora has problems with firefox, and murrine is the best left [12:30] my murrine desktop: http://i33.tinypic.com/2cbuhg.png [12:30] my murrine apps: http://i38.tinypic.com/rkpzy9.png [12:38] * Hobbsee waves to sivang [12:39] hey Hobbsee ! [12:39] how goes it? [12:39] Hobbsee: it'll be good eventually :) [12:39] :) === nenolod is now known as moogle [13:53] hi all, i have a problem with hardy that is fixed in the intrepid kernel. i have asked on the normal support channel and i have been told to install linux backports modules hardy but before i go trying to do that i would like to understand what this package actually is because the kernel version they apply to is 2.6.24, I checked the description but it isn't very complete, is there somewhere else i can look? === lacqui_ is now known as lacqui [17:08] kees: just added the vinagre update for jaunty, will you be able to upload it, or shall I look for an sponsor? === sommer_ is now known as sommer === ArneGoet1e is now known as ArneGoetje [18:18] tonyyarusso: it's kind of obsoleted by ecryptfs; kirkland is doing an awesome job of integrating this very nicely into jaunty [18:28] pitti: ping [18:28] * StevenK prods calc in the back, just because he can. [18:29] does apt-get in jaunty auto install recommends? [18:29] calc: yes, it did in intrepid already [18:29] i'm noticing some packages are getting installed for OOo build-dep that probably don't need to be [18:29] dholbach: how do i disable that for a particular apt-get run? [18:30] apt-get --no-install-recommends [18:30] man apt-get :) [18:30] thanks :) [18:30] * calc ran apt-get -h but apparently its not good enough, heh [18:31] * StevenK waits for locale-gen on armel [18:46] pitti: is there a template MIR bug report that I could use? [18:51] reduced the list to 17 source packages :) [18:53] pitti: ah i found the wiki page about it :) [18:53] evand: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/81501/ [18:54] pitti: here? [18:55] StevenK: so should i just file the ubuntu-mir bug against OOo then? [18:57] calc: Personally, I would find pitti in person, and have a 5 minute conversation. :-) [18:58] StevenK: yea sounds good [19:25] In what file are there the configuration rules for apt-get bash autocompletion? [19:35] Ampelbein: /etc/bash_completion [19:35] err sorry, that was for amikrop [19:40] ogra: can you add a copyright and versioning (in a readme file or something) to usb-creator? [19:41] usb-imagewriter you mean :) [19:41] right [19:41] anyone know if evolution-mapi has a package yet? [19:42] i'll add a script to dump the bzr changelog into a file [19:42] that works [19:42] i've versioned it as 0.1 [19:42] but i need a copyright [19:42] a license actually [19:42] there is a sourcepackage in my PPA [19:43] * sebner asks himself if he should write nxvl an email :P [19:43] that should have a copyright [19:43] got it [19:43] sebner: it's the communication system of the future [19:44] :p [19:44] ogra: hahaha :P [19:45] sebner: e-mail works better usually [19:45] sebner: but take the same time :D [19:45] nxvl: but messages on IRC are easier to ignore/forget than mails :P [19:46] sebner: yup [19:46] sebner: that's why i said that works better [19:47] nxvl: And if that doesn't help there is something like "mailbombs" :P [19:47] yeah, that will make you win a filter [19:47] :D [19:47] heh [19:49] pochu: sure, one sec [19:54] pochu: actually, since 2.24.2-1 is in Debian, is there a reason we don't just merge from Debian (instead of uploading a -0ubuntu1 version?) [19:55] kees: that it's been uploaded a few minutes ago :) [19:55] kees: I'll merge it [19:55] pochu: sure, but I mean it seems like less work that way. :) [19:55] pochu: also, I noticed you dropped lool from the Uploaders in both intrepid and jaunty (not that it matters for Ubuntu) [19:56] kees: the uploaders list is dynamically built using the recent changelog entries [19:56] oh! hah. === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [20:13] evand: so we'd need to add ecryptfs.ko kernel module to the installer kernel modules [20:13] evand: i added a linux task to bug #302870 [20:13] Launchpad bug 302870 in user-setup "add support for setting up encrypted home directory on user creation" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/302870 [20:14] evand: i manually copied the .ko file into the installing system, insmod'd it [20:14] evand: but i can't get the mount established in the installer [20:14] "Unable to get the version number of the kernel module....." [20:20] kirkland: not sure [20:26] kees: thanks for the uploads :) [20:26] * pochu prepares the jaunty one [20:27] kees: I don't need to mention "SECURITY UPDATE", nor do I need to upload to jaunty-security for the jaunty one, right? [20:27] pochu: nah, it's a new upstream version. normally, if the CVE# was known, it's nice to add that to the changelog, like a bug#. [20:28] ok [20:32] I'll have to wait until it appears on the pool, as it's now gone from incoming :) === RainCT_ is now known as RainCT [22:42] kees: merge done, debdiff attached to the bug report === robbiew1 is now known as robbiew [23:17] pitti: Remember that schroot failureness on armel? It ICE's with -O1 too [23:20] excuse me, for kernel dev on ubuntu what do i need to install? [23:22] glick: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile [23:23] glick: ot here; please read the topic === robbiew1 is now known as robbiew [23:32] Yay for a tarball in tarball package with a watch file, which seems useless, since afaik uscan cannot re-create the tarball in tarball setup.