/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/06/#ubuntu-motu.txt

=== Guest24294 is now known as dmb
pochugood night folks!01:03
nhandlerWhile reviewing packages on REVU, I came accross one that follows http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat?action=recall&rev=196 for debian/copyright. Is this ok? Or should I have them switch to the more traditional style?02:16
ScottK-laptopnhandler: Those are fine.02:17
nhandlerScottK-laptop: Ok, I just wanted to make sure since I hadn't seen a copyright like that before02:18
ScottK-laptopSome people are a real fan of it.02:18
=== ziroday` is now known as ziroday
nhandlerIf a program is distributable but not modifiable, can it enter multiverse?02:59
ScottKnhandler: Yes.03:06
nhandlerThanks ScottK03:07
=== in[v]aleed is now known as invaleed
AnAntHello, can someone look at this merge request: bug 30512404:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 305124 in tspc "Candidate revision tspc_2.1.1-8ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30512404:52
=== fta is now known as fta_out
* invaleed is away (Please give me hug)05:23
=== invaleed is now known as in[v]aleed
jdongHobbsee: ^^05:25
jdongI think it's removal time...05:25
wgrantYes.05:25
wgrantA very nice hug it will be.05:25
wgrantjdong: Can we backport python3.0?05:26
jdongwgrant: what does doko think?05:26
wgrantjdong: No idea. But it has no rdepends...05:26
jdongif it installs side by side correctly, I think that would be pretty cool to backport05:26
wgrantWe already have rc3 in Intrepid.05:26
jdongbut since I know /dev/null about python packaging, I'd like to have someone who knows what they're doing weigh in :)05:26
jdongI know we have rc3 in Intrepid but I want to make sure nothing changed significantly in jaunty05:27
wgrantRight.05:27
* jdong has a feeling that he needs to have a firefox-3.1 talk of similar nature in the near future :)05:27
wgrantFirefox 3.1 breaks subpixel rendering :(05:27
ScottK-laptopwgrant: doko already said no.05:27
wgrantScottK-laptop: Aw, why?05:27
ScottK-laptopWe'll have it in intrepid-updates.05:28
wgrantAh.05:28
wgrantGood enough reason.05:28
jdongScottK-laptop: ah, even cooler :)05:28
ScottK-laptopHardy, we aren't supporting.05:28
jdong<ot> what irony...05:28
jdongthe day I do a lengthy blogpost raving about the benefits of AppArmor...05:28
ScottK-laptopIt's not like Python 3.0 will be good for anything but experimental use for quite some time.05:28
jdongKDE4.2 installed a restrictive apparmor profile that I spent 20 mintues tweaking :)05:29
ScottK-laptopjdong: For which package?05:29
jdongthe mysqld config backend thingie05:29
ScottK-laptopRight.05:29
ScottK-laptopAkonadi.05:29
ScottK-laptopIt's actually a mysql profile.05:30
jdongfor my encrypted-private-directory setup apparmor chokes on it05:30
ScottK-laptopInteresting.05:30
ScottK-laptopI'd imagine jdstrand would be interested in that one.05:30
* wgrant decides he should pack at some point.05:30
jdongI needed rwk for not just ${HOME}.local/share/akonadi/**, but ${HOME}/Private and ${HOME}/.Private/local/share......05:31
jdongwhich makes sense due to the way ecryptfs has an upper and lower layer05:31
jdongand IMO Ubuntu needs to port over Suse's AppArmor troubleshooter05:31
jdongit took me a while to realize that AppArmor was causing the problem05:32
ScottK-laptopjdong: Would you please file a bug against akonadi with your information?05:33
ScottK-laptopPlease susbcribe me to it.05:33
jdongwill do.05:33
ScottK-laptopThanks05:34
jdongScottK-laptop: done (bug 305669); subscribed05:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 305669 in akonadi "Akonadi's Apparmor profile does not work with Encrypted Private Directory overlays" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30566905:37
ScottK-laptopjdong: Thanks.05:38
jdongsure thing05:38
AnAntHello, can someone help me with a bug fix ? I am trying to fix debian bug 50734008:26
ubottuDebian bug 507340 in sl-modem-daemon "sl-modem-daemon: User Slmodemd has home dir /" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/50734008:26
AnAntto fix the problem for those upgrading sl-modem, I did 'usermod --home /var/log/slmodemd Slmodemd' in postinst08:27
AnAntnow , when I install the package (even for the first time), this usermod gives a Seg fault08:27
AnAntyet dpkg does continue installing it08:27
jonnymindHello09:11
keymonehi09:33
keymonei tried apt-build with O3 but still some packages are being built with O2 - why would that happen?09:34
cliffbreaker_hi everyone. Try to build a package from source and it gives an error (when using debuild -S -sa) -  make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. How can I fix it?11:25
azeemyou need to add a clean target11:25
azeemit's required11:26
azeemcliffbreaker_: how did you create your debian/rules?11:26
cliffbreaker_azeem: well, I understand that. How do I do that - I'm a newbie, sorry, just trying to build my first package11:26
cliffbreaker_I used dh_make and it was generated11:27
azeemdh_make generates a clean rule, why did you remove it?11:27
cliffbreaker_well i didn't. I didn't change anything there. It's present and the section containing a clean rule is there11:28
azeemcliffbreaker_: post your rules file on a pastebin then11:29
cliffbreaker_ok11:29
cliffbreakerazeem: http://paste.org/index.php?id=441111:39
=== DrKranz is now known as DktrKranz
azeemcliffbreaker: can you also pastebin the whole output of debuild -S -sa?11:42
azeemcliffbreaker: otherwise, the only thing I can think of is tab/space mangling in rules maybe, so that make gets confused11:42
cliffbreakerazeem: ok, but it is half russian)11:43
azeemcliffbreaker: run it with LANG=C in front11:44
cliffbreakerazeem http://paste.org/index.php?id=441311:45
cliffbreakeroh, just a minute11:45
RainCTsebner: you haven't reviewed anything yet :(11:45
sebnerRainCT: is it still friday somewhere?11:46
cliffbreakerazeem: http://paste.org/index.php?id=4414  - here it is11:46
RainCTsebner: yep, iirc it's still REVU Day for 2 hours or so11:46
sebnerRainCT: well, I have to go off now *but* today I'll review something ;)11:47
azeemcliffbreaker: ohhhh11:47
azeemcliffbreaker: sorry11:47
cliffbreakerazeem: for what?)11:48
azeemcliffbreaker: the problem is that the clean rules exists, but runs "make clean", but either there is no Makefile in the upstream source, or it does not contain a clean rule11:48
azeemso this is not about debian/rules but Makefile11:48
azeemcliffbreaker: is there a Makefile.in?11:48
cliffbreakeri'll have a look11:49
cliffbreakerazeem: well there is none11:50
azeemcliffbreaker: what kind of project is it?11:51
cliffbreakerit is deluge-torrent. It has no makefile - just setup.py . Seems to use python11:52
azeemcliffbreaker: this is a prime example why you should not just use the dh_make debian/rules per se, it usually needs to be adopted to the project you're packaging11:52
azeemcliffbreaker: ok, so you need to rewrite debian/rules11:52
cliffbreakerazeem: well. It seems quite a task for me) could you please give me any hints?11:53
azeemlook at other python packages11:53
cliffbreakerazeem: well I don't seem to understand what to do, sorry(( just used the instructions provided by MOTU11:54
DktrKranzDoes anybody notice a "connection refused" error while uploading to PPAs?11:59
DktrKranznow it's working, probably it was just me12:00
HobbseeDktrKranz: no, it was broken12:00
DktrKranzcool12:01
Hobbsee(and was fixed)12:01
gnomefreakwe should either remove iceweasel-linky from archives or add firefox and friends to the depends. does anyone have an idea on what is better? ill be glad to fix it if needed12:32
Hobbseegnomefreak: s/firefox/abrowser/12:34
Hobbsee(if you go that route)12:34
gnomefreakHobbsee: yeah i was gonna add all that we use with extensions just not sure if removing it or adding deps would be best12:34
* gnomefreak will work on it monday. 12:40
directhexdoes it need firefoxish, or xulrunner? :p12:41
iuliandirecthex: Hey, I see that a lot of CLI apps are not yet uploaded to experimental. Is meebey lazy? ;-)12:46
directhexiulian, no comment!12:47
iulianI agree with you.12:47
directhexiulian, was giver successfully transitioned? it's still in red - if it's waiting on meebey it should go yellow12:47
iuliandirecthex: Oh really? Didn't know that.12:47
* iulian wonders how to change the colour.12:47
iulianLemme have a look at the wiki.12:48
iulianAnd yes, it's done already.12:48
directhexiulian, as for laziness, i've been bugging him for something which IMHO is higher priority: a new mono version for lenny to fix an RC bug12:48
directhexwhich is done now. 1.9.1+dfsg-512:49
directhexit might be worth a SRU for the same bugfixes for intrepid, but i'm not gonna open that can of worms myself12:49
iulianAha12:49
iuliandirecthex: How do you change the colour?12:49
* iulian was using the GUI mode.12:50
directhexiulian, i'll do it then. i assume gui modes break things ;)12:50
iuliandirecthex: OK then, but I still want to know how to change the colour :)12:51
iulianAh, got it.12:51
iulianYou cannot change the colour when using the GUI.12:52
iulian<bgcolor="">12:52
directhexyeah. apprently the gui sucks then :)12:52
iulianIndeed12:52
iulianHey mok0.12:57
gnomefreakdirecthex: it only needs to be dependant on browsers because the browsers will bring in xulrunner-*13:05
gnomefreaksorry for late reply im working on something13:05
directhexgnomefreak, right..... but if it works in all the browsers, you could depend on xulrunner-1.9. that way on debian or ubuntu it'd work in FF, iceweasel, abrowser, etc etc etc13:06
gnomefreakiirc xulrunner doesnt bring in browsers13:07
gnomefreakit doesnt depend on browsers but the other way around13:08
gnomefreaki see icedtea was renamed13:09
=== nenolod is now known as moogle
directhexgnomefreak, exactly. unless you want the | from hell in your depends, the way to offer an extension to all browsers is via depending on xulrunner13:20
directhexgnomefreak, if it CAN'T be used by all browsers, then, well, welcome to | city13:20
gnomefreaki wont know anything until i get around to looking at the *.rdf to find out what browsers it supports13:27
mok0(two hours later) Oh, hi iulian :-)14:41
StevenHarperUKHi, I am looking for a member of the SRU Team please15:45
ElbrusCan anybody imagine a reason why you want to have the clean target depend on the configure and/or patch target15:47
nixternalsuperm1: hey dude, are you in the same hotel as everyone else? I get in tomorrow at about 5pm there, so I will look you up if you are around15:47
azeemElbrus: maybe so you can run make distclean, for a autotools package15:47
azeemthough I don't think that makes a lot of sense15:48
Elbrusit does have "make XXX_distclean" lines15:49
hefe_biaHi! Anybody care to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=tomboy-blogposter ? Had one advocate and all the outstanding issues should be fixed now. I'd be happy ;)15:54
AnAntwhen's the UDS ?15:56
pochuAnAnt: from Monday to Friday15:59
StevenHarperUKOK, looks like no SRU's about : if any read this (from logs) can you have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/easycrypt/+bug/293903 it needs processing : thanks a lot15:59
AnAntI see15:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 293903 in easycrypt "Candidate revision easycrypt_0.2.3.0-0ubuntu1" [Wishlist,Confirmed]15:59
AnAntpochu: thanks15:59
=== gouki_ is now known as gouki
=== in[v]aleed is now known as invaleed
* invaleed is away (Please give me hug)16:55
=== invaleed is now known as in[v]aleed
jdongsigh I am a total idiot :)17:34
jdongdid you know that drag-drop Nautilus doesn't work well with iTunes?17:34
jdongI guess the joke's on me for having a full GNOME stack on OS X then accidentally using gnome-open when I should've used open.17:35
Skiessiaika hiljasta18:55
jdongyikes that's my 2nd time being an idiot today.19:51
jdongthis time almost dpkg -i'ed something onto my Mac19:51
mok0jdong: fink uses dpkg19:54
jdongmok0: yeah to some degree it does, though I just happen to have dpkg installed from macports19:55
jdongalong with yum and rpm (don't ask; lots of fun)19:55
mok0Oh, I see19:56
mok0I use fink on my mac19:56
jdongI use macports; somehow I've found packages in there to be better maintained.19:56
jdongcould just be the specific packages i use at specific moments in history that gave me that impression though19:56
jdongordinarily I would bias towards fink just because it uses dpkg/apt, but I was disappointied to find that only true for the binary packages.19:57
rwwi tried using fink a few times, but it somehow always seemed to mess up and break things :(19:57
mok0jdong, Hm, my impression is there are alway update19:57
jdongthe source building system is *still* a ports-like build script backend19:57
jdongnot debhelper/debuild19:57
mok0rww, just rm -rf /sw and start over :-)19:57
jdongrww: glad I'm not the only one that experiences that!19:57
jdongmok0: my macports tree has lasted me since 10.4.1019:57
jdongminor rebuilding here and there to keep ABIs from breaking19:58
jdongand I have all of GNOME, KDE4, and mono installed from macports too19:58
jdongI've been told that I don't use my Mac correctly...19:58
mok0What annoys me is that you always have to build the packages19:58
jdongyeah IMO it wouldn't KILL them to build fairly up to date packages.19:59
jdongmacports and fink.19:59
mok0which means you need to install all the build-deps in addition to the actual deps19:59
jdongthese systems don't differentiate between -dev and -bin19:59
mok0jdong: exactly19:59
jdongit is somewhat of a waste of space.19:59
jdongI've not heard ANY good arguments why this is better19:59
jdongother than it promotes lazy packaging and makes it easier to "install the stupid -dev packages" (not my words)20:00
mok0The Gentoo people claims that it's faster; I don't believe that20:00
mok0jdong: actually, in fink there _are_ dev packagees20:00
jdongit might possibly be faster.20:01
jdongbut in reality IMO only a handful of packages benefit from such optimization.20:01
jdongnot the entire system blindly20:01
jdongand neither fink nor macports ships with any kind of optimizing CFLAGS by default20:02
mok0jdong, of course you can optimize for your Athlon or K8 or whatever20:02
jdongnot to mention you *KNOW* all Mac hardware are Core Duos with SSE2,SSE3,MMX anyway.20:02
jdongthe greatest common denominator is already large enough that additional CFLAGs wouldn't matter much on top of that20:02
mok0jdong: except, just the time it takes to compile gcc easily makes up for any speed-gains in the next 100 years20:03
rwwmok0: hence me not using gentoo20:05
=== nhandler_ is now known as nhandler
mok0rww: yeah binary packages... woot20:12
retourHow to format/erase DVD-RAM under ubuntu20:17
jdong(1) this is not a support channel20:17
jdong(2) DVD-RAM should show up as a regular block device at /dev/dvd20:17
jdongyou can use mkfs just as if it were a hard drive.20:18
rwwretour: you probably want #ubuntu ;)20:19
retourSorry but I tried Ubuntu/Xubuntu chanels - no answers. I'm ignored. I've got DVD-RAM disks that were used in portable DVD player/recorder and 50% of the capacity is used by something nonvisible to me. Additionaly every DVD when automunts gives me errors because of a bug with access rights. I can aonly watch/access DVD's as root20:22
jdongwell being ignored in #ubuntu is not really an excuse to take t he topic into a channel that is not meant for support issues20:23
jdongspeaking of support, the issue at hand is Ubuntu really does not support DVD-RAM and DVD+RW writeable optical media20:23
jdongthe system mounts optical media read-only and not owned by the user in its default rules anyway20:24
retourOK sorry. Just read what Masters chanell really is. Bye!20:26
jdong      printf ("%g %f %f MB\n", f, f, f/1024000);20:42
jdong*blinks*20:42
jdongwhat the hell kind of byte is that?20:42
jdonga MixiByte?20:42
jdongthe last time I've seen that definition was with 1.44MB floppies20:43
hefe_biaHi! Anybody interested in reviewing tomboy-blogposter, a small utility to blog about Ubuntu (and other topics) from Tomboy? ;) It's been advocated by mok0 and I think I have corrected all issues mentioned by dktrkranz. See http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=tomboy-blogposter21:25
hefe_biaI'll be here for feedback...21:25
=== RainCT_ is now known as RainCT
goshawkhi23:31
goshawkif someone has free time, can please review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=dsss ?23:32

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!