/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/06/#ubuntu-ops.txt

Picinalioth: Could we get ubot3 in #ubuntu, ubottu is MIA00:07
PriceChildMyrtti: council are able to restart it... or is it more dead than that?00:08
Myrttithen why haven't you already :-<00:08
LjLPriceChild: we are?00:08
PriceChildMyrtti: because you pinged those two and didn't say what was wrong so i figured it wasn't anything i could help with00:08
PriceChildLjL: you missed the memo?00:09
* PriceChild finds the link00:09
Myrtti:-<00:09
Pici17:32:42 >>>> ubottu (n=supybot@ubuntu/bot/ubottu) has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]00:09
LjLPriceChild: or i've forgotten it00:09
* Myrtti facepalms00:09
Myrttioh well, back to my skype video call00:09
PriceChildRunning the bot start script00:10
PriceChildDone00:10
PriceChildLjL: I'll forward it to you again.00:10
LjLi have a feeling floodbot might be tuned a tad more aggressively00:11
PriceChildubottu is back and joining slowly.00:11
naliothah00:11
naliothping pong 00:11
PiciLjL: You mean you will tune it more aggressively?00:12
hischildUbottu seems to be gone. This is for a reason?00:12
Picihm?00:12
LjLPici: well, i meant it seems like a reasonable idea to do so00:12
LjLPici: that huge flood could have been avoided after the smaller flood that came before it00:12
PiciLjL: Agreed.00:12
Myrttihischild: we've noticed the situation a few moments ago00:12
Myrttiand it's coming back already, as you can see00:12
Myrttihischild: was there anything else?00:12
Picihischild: The bot takes a bit to rejoin the channels, so just be patient :)00:12
hischildMyrtti, Pici, I only joined moments ago but it catched my attention. Thanks.00:13
Picihischild: And it takes a bit for it to respond, it needs to rejoin all its channels first.00:13
hischildPici, i see. I'll be patient and wait for it. 00:13
LjLuhm00:14
LjLwhat the hell is this00:14
Myrttinow what the heck00:14
PiciThats jenda 00:14
LjLnot jenda00:14
LjLthe operation timed outs00:14
PiciDunno, maybe a bot attack in another channel?00:14
LjLlooks more like a server gone south00:15
PiciOr that.00:15
LjLyet, there's 26 online, i.e. all of them. bah00:16
PiciMaybe one of them went down and came up before you checked?00:17
LjLlikely00:17
LjLalso, i can't really guarantee i can count up to 2600:17
Myrtti:-D00:19
mrwesHey, can you please remove the ban on me?01:28
Myrttiooh, you're actually waiting now for an answer?01:34
mrweser...yah01:34
mrwesI've walked through the valley of death....01:35
mrwesand of course reread the CoC 01:35
Myrttiam I the only one awake still?01:36
Myrttihmmmm01:37
* Myrtti pokes LjL 01:37
mrwesappears so01:37
mrwesgotta be a joint decision aye?01:38
mrwesheh01:38
Myrttino, I'm just about to head to bed (really late here) and I can't login01:38
Myrtti2008-12-06 03:38:2501:38
mrwesahh...Ok...I'll check back another time01:38
Myrttihold on01:38
mrwesthanks Myrtti 01:38
mrwesk01:39
Myrttidon't go vanishing now01:39
mrwesnod01:39
MyrttiLjL: can you login to ubottu?01:40
LjLyeah01:40
nickrudwe really need to get the old name for ubottu back, I keep typing the wrong one ;(01:40
MyrttiI can't :-<01:40
nickrudnor can I01:40
MyrttiI can use my old session01:40
mrwesMyrtti, you in Europe?01:40
Myrttiyeah01:40
mrweswhere01:40
MyrttiFinland01:40
mrwesahh01:40
LjLmrwes, i wasn't the one who banned you01:40
LjLbut i'll unban you01:40
LjLwhat does that mean?01:40
mrwesI used to live in Berlin01:41
LjLit means that if you give us reason to ban you again, i'd feel very embarassed01:41
LjLyou don't want to make me feel embarassed, right?01:41
mrwesLjL, understood01:41
mrwesof course not01:41
Myrttiok, since there's someone else on the line now, I'm heading to brush my teeth and vanish myself01:41
Myrttinini babehs01:41
mrwesl8r01:41
LjLmrwes: you can join01:42
mrwesLjL, danke sehr01:42
mrwes:)01:42
LjLbitte01:43
ubottuIn #ubuntuforums, jdong said: !omgjacob-#ubuntuforums is <alias>twss-#ubuntuforums02:02
jdongthat's a different jdong. I swear :)02:02
LjL!omgjdong | jdong, who, this jdong?02:04
ubottujdong, who, this jdong?: jdong: You're going to hell.02:04
jdong:)02:05
mneptokhas anyone talked to Seveas about releasing the "ubotu" nick?02:14
nickrudplease please02:15
nickrudmy fingers are simply unretrainable02:15
bazhangits mostly baked02:53
bazhang@login03:22
ubottuThe operation succeeded.03:22
mneptok@boobjob03:24
mneptok:(03:24
jdonglol04:28
Flannelbazhang: Doesn't really matter, four word lines in the middle of an explanation isn't required08:12
bazhangFlannel, he was spamming08:12
bazhangFlannel, just trying an alternate route to get him to stop.08:12
FlannelI'm not sure "Oh, he's Seveas" will get him to stop, but sure.08:13
FlannelI'm willing to try anything once ;)  except most seafood.08:14
bazhanghehe08:15
FlannelLjL: What's up with the change in puregnome?08:31
Flannelthe factoid, that is08:31
jussi01Hey all09:42
bazhanghi09:43
FlannelHowdy jussi01 09:43
jussi01so ubottuwent awol for a while then?09:43
FlannelI have her timing out at 14:18, and then peer gets on her case at 14:32 (it's now 1:44)09:44
jussi01who was it who messaged me about it?09:45
elkbuntujussi01, myrtti09:50
elkbuntujussi01, she messaged you before we had any clue what the emergency was09:50
jussi01ahh,ok09:51
jussi01wonder why her number didnt come up.. well whatever..09:51
elkbuntujussi01, carrier probably09:51
elkbuntushe was having a rather crappy day09:52
jussi01ok09:52
* jussi01 hugs Myrtti09:52
elkbuntucheck her jaiku09:52
elkbuntujussi01, specifically http://myrtti.jaiku.com/presence/50050778#c-188679209:54
jussi01damn!09:54
jussi01someone recommend me a good speedtest site?09:56
elkbuntuspeedtest.net09:56
jussi01:)09:57
elkbuntuit's one that caters to aussies at least09:58
jussi01ooh, nice my aunt has good internet :D09:58
jussi01http://www.speedtest.net/result/368146002.png09:58
jussi01at least much better than my dads...09:58
elkbuntunot bad at all09:59
elkbuntushe must me on the doorstep of the exchange09:59
jussi01yeah09:59
elkbuntui'm even closer to an exchange than her :P http://www.speedtest.net/result/368146002.png10:00
elkbuntui'm about 500m as the crow flies10:01
Myrttihi kids12:58
elkbuntuMyrtti, i assume the jaiku app is bandwidth respectful?13:20
elkbuntugiven i only have 100mb/mth, it needs to be13:21
Myrttifairly so13:21
Myrttibut...13:21
elkbuntui've set it to be only on if used13:21
elkbuntusince i dont really care about it if i'm not looking at it.13:21
Myrttiyeah13:22
MyrttiI've personally ditched the Jaiku app though13:22
elkbuntuoh, why?13:22
Myrttiwell13:22
Myrttiit is bandwidth respectful to certain degree13:23
Myrttibut when you go online with it... then it sorta starts updating13:23
Myrttialso13:23
Myrttithe app is very very old13:23
elkbuntuhrm ok. how do you update then?13:23
Myrttiit doesn't like to coexist with the later/latest Nokia apps, like Nokia Conversations13:23
MyrttiI just use http://m.jaiku.com and http://m.hellotxt.com :-/13:24
elkbuntui'm also noticing it likes to own everything in your addressbook too13:24
* elkbuntu deletes it.13:24
LjLFlannel: i explained why i changed !puregnome, it's outdated (tries to remove packages that never were installed by kubuntu-desktop), and even where it does work, it appears to remove a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with KDE13:59
LjLjrib: ah cute, can i have some? :P14:11
LjLjrib: actually no because i'm using konv, but do you use ubuntu's standard whois?14:11
jribLjL: I use the GeoIP python module14:12
jribLjL: can you write konv scripts in python?14:12
LjLjrib: i can write konv scripts in anything that can begin with a shebang14:12
LjLjrib: but they can't be particularly powerful14:13
Myrttigeoip? where?14:13
Myrttiubottu?14:13
Myrttipls?14:13
Myrttime wants14:13
jribLjL: http://paste.ubuntu.com/81379/ that's what it looks like for weechat14:13
LjL!info python-geoip | Myrtti14:13
ubottupython-geoip (source: python-geoip): python bindings for the GeoIP IP-to-country resolver library. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.1-2ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 9 kB, installed size 120 kB14:13
Myrttihttp://www.selfdestruct.org/misc/geoip.pl.html14:14
LjLjrib: thing that gets on my nerves is that, for some reason, the ubuntu/debian whois command doesn't really seem to know very much. for instance, it did resolve that fellow's APNIC entry, but i've seen many other APNIC entries that it had no idea about...14:14
LjL[15:24:40] <LjL> !away > Panarchy    (Panarchy, see the private message from ubottu)14:25
LjL[15:25:12] <orgthingy> LjL : the !away are the ones that waste channel chatting space14:25
LjLshall i say "no, your comment is what just wasted channel space" and we go on like that?14:26
LjLwhat's this, the revenge of the indonesians?14:27
ikoniaLjL: just bring him in here to explain it14:38
LjLikonia: cannot be bothered. he's been around long enough to know how stuff works and why, if he had wanted to.14:43
LjLikonia: also, interesting that among his bantracker entries, there's *precisely* a kick for away14:44
ikoniashoke horror14:46
ikoniashock even14:46
elkbuntumy jaiku is purtier than Myrtti's14:51
Myrttihehe14:52
ikonia@btlogin15:55
jdonganyone have ops in #ubuntu-devel?17:03
jdong11:55  * invaleed is away (Please give me hug)17:03
jdong11:55 -!- invaleed is now known as in[v]aleed17:03
jdonghe's been doing this for 3 days now17:03
ikoniahobbsee is your best bet for quick action17:10
jdongyup, tried pinging her last night, will attempt again17:12
Myrttiwhuddabout mnept?17:14
ikoniawhoaaaa lag17:30
Myrtti...17:33
Myrtti_21h_ is russian...17:33
ikoniahe's gone in about 10 17:33
ikoniahe doesn't want what he's asking17:33
Myrttihe doesn't know what he is asking17:33
ikoniahe does, he knows it's bad17:34
LjLcan't you just tell him to man rm and cut the trolling? there *is* a --no-preserve-root option, after all17:35
MyrttiI wonder what's going on on -ru17:36
ikoniaif you want to tell him that, go for it, I wasnt going to post that in a public channel for him to start shouting about17:36
LjLMyrtti: nothing special, he's not speaking there17:36
LjLikonia: i told him to "man rm" already, but i didn't tell him what option to look for17:36
LjLtwice17:36
ikoniawatch for laughter in -ru now17:36
Myrttisurprisingly17:36
ikonia"ha, I trolled them good in #ubuntu"17:37
ikoniaetc17:37
LjLhe's still not speaking17:38
ikoniagood17:38
MyrttiI feel so ... ignorant17:43
* Mez sighs17:47
MyrttiI can't install that geoip.pl to my irssi as the server is lacking Geo::IP and I just don't know how to get them installed in my environment.17:49
Myrttisucks.17:49
Myrttion related news, it's the Finnish independence day.17:50
PiciYay17:50
Myrttihttp://loimaannorppa.blogspot.com/2008/09/suomalainen-hkyy-ja-eksyy-tielt.html17:50
Myrtti"A Finn is the one who answers when not asked..."17:50
PiciNeat17:51
MezMyrtti: http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/14/install-geoip-perl-module-on-debian/18:00
Mezthat's three times now I've hit alt+f4 instead of alt+418:02
* Myrtti tries once again18:02
MezMyrtti: actually, should be in libgeo-ip-perl18:04
MyrttiMez: the problem is, I don't have root rights on this machine18:05
MezMyrtti: ah - fair enough... 18:05
Myrttithe server doesn't have libgeoip-dev, I can bypass that with PP=118:05
Myrttibut make test fails18:05
MyrttiI think18:06
MyrttiFailed 3/4 test scripts, 25.00% okay. 31/33 subtests failed, 6.06% okay.18:06
Myrttimake: *** [test_dynamic] Error 218:06
Mezyeah, that probably requires the dev stuff18:06
Myrttit/1_lookup........Error opening /usr/local/share/GeoIP/GeoIP.dat at (eval 3) line 438, <DATA> line 300.18:07
Myrttiit's looking for that in the wrong place18:07
Myrtti/usr/share/GeoIP/GeoIP.dat18:07
Myrttimeh.18:08
Mezis that in the package? or your install ?18:08
Mezactually, this isn't the place to help... 18:09
* Myrtti notes this isn't the help channel for help...18:09
Myrtti:-/18:09
Myrttiyeah. I'll just go to bed to listen to Eddings.18:09
MezLol - great minds think alike eh?18:09
Mezwell, if you need help - you know how to poke me...18:10
MyrttiI'm almost tempted to put -ot to +m and forget to take it off18:55
LjL[20:23:12] <LjL> helping people is no justification for ignoring the channel rules.19:23
LjL[20:23:23] <AHMAD1NEJAD> ...19:23
LjL[20:23:35] <AHMAD1NEJAD> somebody breaking the channel rules is no justification for banning them from the channel19:23
LjLbest retort ever.19:24
Picihah19:24
AHMAD1NEJADi'm banned from ubuntu for making one off-the-cuff remark19:25
AHMAD1NEJADafter helping noobs for like 20 minutes19:25
LjLno, that's not why you're banned from it.19:25
AHMAD1NEJADwell then19:25
AHMAD1NEJADlet's hear it19:25
LjLlet's hear it?19:25
AHMAD1NEJADyeah19:25
LjLi thought it would be pretty clear that, after two !offtopic warnings, you were supposed to DROP IT or take it here or to PM19:26
AHMAD1NEJADwhat did i do to DESERVE a ban19:26
AHMAD1NEJADi got one offtopic warning19:26
AHMAD1NEJADcontested the warning19:26
AHMAD1NEJADgot another offtopic warning19:26
AHMAD1NEJADand then a ban19:26
LjLindeed.19:26
AHMAD1NEJADUbuntu (IPA: [u?'bu?ntu?] in English,[2] [ù?úntú] in Zulu) is a free operating system based on Debian, a popular Linux distribution. Its name comes from the Zulu word "ubuntu", loosely translated as "humanity", describing the ubuntu philosophy: "I am who I am because of those around me,19:26
PiciWhat did you expect?19:26
AHMAD1NEJADsomething along those lines ^19:26
AHMAD1NEJADyou know19:26
AHMAD1NEJADan ounce of respect for people who are taking their own time to help others19:26
LjLAHMAD1NEJAD: you showed no repsect towards them when you made a completely inappropriate and irrelevant comment, and even less respect when you kept discussing your kick.19:27
AHMAD1NEJADthat doesn't make any sense19:27
AHMAD1NEJADhow is it disrespectful to make an irrelevant comment19:27
AHMAD1NEJAD'because they have to read through it and then move their eyes to the next line'?19:28
Pici!guidelines19:28
ubottuThe guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines19:28
PiciPlease read19:28
LjLhow it is? it is, clearly, because 1) there are guidelines, and other very helpful people are abiding to them, and who are you to do otherwise  2) the channel has 1500 people, and it's busy enough without getting irrelevant comments19:28
AHMAD1NEJAD1500 people19:28
AHMAD1NEJADmaybe what, 1400 lurkers19:28
AHMAD1NEJADi feel that my actions justify themselves19:29
AHMAD1NEJADand that the channel guidelines are arbitrary and imposed likewise19:29
LjLthen feel free to find another place to spend your time in.19:29
AHMAD1NEJADwithout any consideration as to whether or not their application is at all beneficial19:29
LjLbeing in #ubuntu requires respect of the guidelines19:29
AHMAD1NEJADwhat makes the internet worthwhile is the lack of guidelines19:29
AHMAD1NEJADmaybe you missed that memo19:29
LjLAHMAD1NEJAD: i take note of the fact that you have no intention of respecting the guidelines.19:30
AHMAD1NEJADthat is why wikipedia is more useful as a source of information than fox news19:30
LjLAHMAD1NEJAD: your ban won't be lifted, have a good day.19:30
AHMAD1NEJADcan i get somebody else's opinion19:30
AHMAD1NEJADwho didn't ban me in the first place19:30
LjLsure.19:30
LjLPici: got a second opinion on hand?19:30
AHMAD1NEJADno19:30
AHMAD1NEJADnot from a person of your selection19:30
PriceChildSo far you have given your opinion, bear in mind other people's opinions may differ. Just because you see something as fact, doesn't make it so.19:30
AHMAD1NEJADthat's not how impartiality works19:30
naliothAHMAD1NEJAD: attacking us isn't helping you19:31
AHMAD1NEJADi'm not attacking anybody19:31
AHMAD1NEJADin fact i haven't done that yet19:31
nalioth"A river in Egypt."19:31
naliothmost bans don't last 24 hours, AHMAD1NEJAD 19:32
PiciOur channels are not ruled by a system of anarchy, the IRC Council was elected and they created the guidelines and enforce the rules here.19:32
AHMAD1NEJADi haven't made any derogatory remark19:32
naliothwhy not take a break and try back later19:32
AHMAD1NEJADi spend twenty minutes teaching these noobs about dd, cfdisk, fstab, mount, all of it19:32
AHMAD1NEJADand i say one thing that you don't understand19:32
AHMAD1NEJADand the process begins19:32
AHMAD1NEJADyou label me as a troll19:32
AHMAD1NEJADkick me19:32
naliothAHMAD1NEJAD: you're definitely not helping yourself here19:32
AHMAD1NEJADif i discuss the kick, i just get banned19:32
AHMAD1NEJADhow can you not see what you're doing as harmful?19:33
AHMAD1NEJADhow do you justify this?19:33
naliothAHMAD1NEJAD: obviously, you've not read the CoC or our guidelines19:35
naliothand if you have, you've forgotten the content immediately19:36
AHMAD1NEJADyou're not listening to me at all19:36
naliothcome back in 24h19:36
AHMAD1NEJADwhat use are the guidelines if their execution is harmful19:36
AHMAD1NEJADyou can say you're restricted by them19:36
AHMAD1NEJADbut they're only used at your own volition19:36
naliothwell, they only seem 'harmful' to trolls - which you disavow being among19:36
AHMAD1NEJADwhat makes your judgment of 'trolls' impartial, or absolute?19:37
naliothi hate time wasters19:37
AHMAD1NEJADthere you go again! i'm just trying to discuss this with you19:37
AHMAD1NEJADcalmly and rationally19:37
naliothAHMAD1NEJAD: please come back in 24h19:38
AHMAD1NEJADforget it19:38
AHMAD1NEJADi can't believe you people turn ubuntu19:38
AHMAD1NEJADthe one-laptop-per-child distro19:38
AHMAD1NEJADinto this19:38
Myrttierrr19:38
Myrttiubuntu isn't the olpc distro19:38
MyrttiSugar is based on RedHat IIRC19:39
* nalioth passes Myrtti the salt19:39
AHMAD1NEJADoh well19:39
AHMAD1NEJADno wonder19:39
AHMAD1NEJADi bet you'd ban the kids who came to #ubuntu19:39
PriceChildIs Ahmadinejad a common surname?19:39
naliothdon't feed the trolls -and this guy is definitely one.19:39
naliothi suspect they run betting pools in ##politics as to how long they can "act normal" elsewhere before they get k/b'd19:40
* Mez chuckles @ nal's salt comment19:49
MezMyrtti: I actually thought that OLPC were going to be using some crappy XP modded version now ?19:49
MyrttiMez: they have that too20:16
* genii sips20:17
jdongMez: the project is starting to become a sellout20:25
* jdong watches his back, being less than 2 blocks away from the Media Lab...20:25
ikoniahad any trouble from  arch-ot today ?20:53
ikoniamy hightlight picked up this 20:53
ikonia18:48 < fogobogo> hullap: never watched #ubuntu just for the fun?20:53
ikonia18:48 < Losowski> fogobogo: Actually...if you would like to laugh (besides being on this channel), join #ubuntu!20:53
LjLikonia: losowski was in earlier, talked mild nonsense20:55
ikoniaHmmm, 20:55
ikoniaI'm quite bored of this arch-ot and ubuntu-ru stuff20:56
ikoniaPriceChild: didn't you speak to the arch-ot operators ?20:56
Myrttiikonia: you're not the only one who is getting bored20:57
Myrtticorrect me if I'm wrong21:46
Myrttibut isn't it so, that Firefox isn't particularly a GTK software?21:47
LjLMyrtti: that's my understanding too21:51
LjLalthough it definitely depends on libgtk21:51
LjLbut that might simply be for, say, Open File dialog boxes21:51
naliothit can be compiled with the QT library or the OS X Cocoa libs, too21:59
JeremyEHi22:28
JeremyEIS anybody here?22:29
JeremyELjL: Are you there?22:29
LjLno22:29
JeremyEHello22:29
JeremyEI'm back after taking some time away to serve my sentence22:29
JeremyESorry about spamming, it was very noobish22:29
JeremyELjL: Hello?22:34
LjLJeremyE: oh, hi!22:35
JeremyELOL HI!22:35
LjLJeremyE: ok, ok you're unbanned22:35
JeremyEThanks a lot22:35
JeremyEIt won't happen again22:35
LjLi hope so22:36
MezJeremyE: you sorted?22:54
JeremyEYes22:54
JeremyEThank you22:54
Mez!idle | JeremyE22:54
ubottuJeremyE: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.22:54
Mezer... oops ;)22:54
Meznalioth: you around?22:56
Mezor any IRCC22:58
LjLi'm around22:59
MezLjL: pm?23:01
naliothMez: pong23:02
Meznal - I'll catch you up in PM ...23:03
jdongsounds kinky23:14

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