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knomehi MadsRH15:22
MadsRHHi15:22
knomeso were you coming to uds or not?15:23
MadsRHsadly, not :-(15:23
knomeok15:23
MadsRHAre you there now or packing? ;-)15:23
knomehave been here for a few days already15:23
knomea sesion at fosscamp raised some questions about the teams and how do they work15:24
knomeso it would have been great to have you discuss on that on the artwork team15:24
MadsRHyes it sounds great. I'm keeping a close look at the Youtube developers channel, hoping that videos will be uploaded like last year15:25
knomeoh15:25
knomedidn't know that15:26
knomeare they going to be public?15:26
tretlehi, I was wondering if someone could give me some feedback on a splash redesign for anjuta im working on15:26
tretlehttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=100447215:26
MadsRHknome -> you can see interviews from last time here: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ubuntudevelopers&view=videos15:27
knometretle, looks good, though the name is a bit too fat for my taste15:27
MadsRHThis is great if your missing out on UDS like me ;-) though I would like to see the "talks" streamed, like Debconf8 did15:28
knomeyeah15:28
tretleknome - hmm.. wasn't using a bold font15:29
thorwiltretle: the new text is a big improvement over the old.15:29
knometretle, the stroke? :)15:29
thorwilknome takes old for new15:29
thorwil(i guess)15:29
tretlestroke?15:29
knometretle, the grey stroke outside the text15:30
knomeor am i having some display issues :P15:30
knomeah oh15:30
knome!15:30
thorwiltretle: that horse head in the a looks too comic-like, i think. that was better solved in the old one. also not having the gnome foot in there is a plus15:30
tretleah, yeah.... I wasn't sure about the stroke, added it experimentally15:30
knomesorry!15:30
knomeso the top one is the new?15:31
tretleyup15:31
knomeok15:31
MadsRHtretle -> It looks great15:31
knomei like the old horse more:)15:32
tretleThe icon in the old one isnt used at all anymore, the icon in the new one is the icon which replaced it some time ago15:32
knomelol ok15:32
thorwiltretle: whoever made the new horse head made it worse. the old has varying line width, making it come alive. the new one looks amateurish in comparison15:33
tretleWell I had nothing to do with the redesign of the icon but I prefer it, it fits in with other icons better15:35
knomeis anjuta pronounced like un-utah ? :)15:37
thorwilpah, it could be a giraffe as well in the new one15:37
tretleIm wondering if I should put a thin black border around the blue part of the splash15:38
thorwiltretle: it will most likely be surrounded by gray, right? consider a darker and maybe less saturated version of that blue as something in between a balck border and no border at all15:40
thorwilas a black border might appear a little heavy15:40
tretleit wont be surrounded by gray15:40
tretlethe splash doesnt have a gtk window border or anything, just the image itself with a progress bar overlayed on it15:42
tretlewas thinking that the progress bar could be a black underline for the text15:42
thorwiltretle: in that case you could suggest a little depth by making the top and perhaps the left border a bit brighter15:43
tretlehmm.... thanks for the feedback so far... must go for dinner.. will be back soon15:45
_MMA_So I got a logo I've done for a free software project. They really like it, but don't have the time to use it now. They said I can put it out there, but what license do I use to make it public but keep the rights so the project can use it later? cc-by-nc-nd maybe?16:16
tretlehmmmm..... I think I did an awful job at trying to give the blue part more depth16:22
tretlehttp://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6126/anjutasplash7nt3.png16:22
knometbh yes a bit :P16:22
thorwiltretle: i was thinking of the depth of cardboard or something like that, to be achieved with a 1px border16:29
tretlenew to gimp so doing everything manually, how do u apply an lpx border?16:30
thorwiltretle: you are working with the wrong tool. so much simpler to thid kind of stuff in inkscape16:31
thorwiltretle: however, you can do a select all, then shrink selection by 1 pixel, invert selection. this way is good if you want to use a gradient16:32
thorwiltretle: for a single color edges in small images, you can use the pencil tool16:33
thorwil1px brush, click first corner, hold shift, click second corner ...16:33
tretlehow do youu get a shading/lighting effect with that brush?16:38
thorwiltretle: you don't. just pick suitable colors ;)16:42
_MMA_bah.. Bunch of useless good-for-nothings. :P16:52
tretlehmmmm.... nice new thing to learn16:57
tretlehttp://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7416/anjutasplash10hi5.png16:57
tretlewith gradiant border16:57
thorwilMadsRH: just pick a license that will be compatible with the project. that can hardly include NC and ND16:58
thorwiltretle: you have to include the bar at the bottom in your treatment. play around a bit more, maybe you will start to see the value of being subtle17:00
_MMA_thorwil: huh? You get the name wrong there? :)17:04
thorwil_MMA_: what, where?17:04
_MMA_"thorwil: *MadsRH*: just pick a license that will be compatible with the project. that can hardly include NC and ND"17:05
_MMA_I asked about license. :)17:05
thorwil_MMA_: damn, really misread that17:06
_MMA_:)17:06
_MMA_thorwil: NC and ND *for now* as I will allow the project to decide license later, once and if, they use it.17:07
thorwil_MMA_: just present the logo and say nothing. defaults nobody is allowed to do shit with it without your permission17:07
_MMA_Ok. I guess that works.17:08
_MMA_thorwil: It's the FLAC logo I did a bit ago. http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4615/myflachl7.png17:09
thorwil_MMA_: cute. the white borders have an entirely different effect for each of the colors17:10
thorwilit's a glow for yellow, but less so for others17:11
_MMA_Josh Coalson (lead on FLAC) really liked it but said he was just too busy for a update to the look of the FLAC site. I was gonna email him again and see if he would be open to a redesign if he had to do very little.17:13
tretlehttp://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2696/anjutasplash11vi4.png19:11
tretlehad some complaints about the font so made a custom letter, think it looks alot better now19:12
tretlewhat do u think?19:12
thorwiltretle: do you have the previous image link at hand?19:57
tretlehttp://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7416/anjutasplash10hi5.png19:58
thorwiltretle: i still think the horse in the a is not a good idea. look at the snout, how it ends at the vertical stroke of the a. that's unfortunate. if you want to keep it in the letter, you should either make sure there is a gap between snout and stroke, or a clear overlap19:59
thorwiltretle: does the new A have the same bow as the n and u?20:00
thorwiltretle: a darker instead of a brighter background inside the "a" will help20:01
thorwiltretle: the A is too close to the n if you look at the kerning of the other letters20:02
tretleyeah, the A has the same bow as the n, not sure about the u. the new A is just a modified n20:03
andreasntretle: cool progress, as Naba mentioned in the bug report, perhaps something with a more dramatic feeling would be coo20:09
andreasncool20:09
andreasnI would also drop the GNOME foot20:09
andreasnmaybe the big horse logo + some small text20:11

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