[15:22] <knome> hi MadsRH
[15:22] <MadsRH> Hi
[15:23] <knome> so were you coming to uds or not?
[15:23] <MadsRH> sadly, not :-(
[15:23] <knome> ok
[15:23] <MadsRH> Are you there now or packing? ;-)
[15:23] <knome> have been here for a few days already
[15:24] <knome> a sesion at fosscamp raised some questions about the teams and how do they work
[15:24] <knome> so it would have been great to have you discuss on that on the artwork team
[15:25] <MadsRH> yes it sounds great. I'm keeping a close look at the Youtube developers channel, hoping that videos will be uploaded like last year
[15:25] <knome> oh
[15:26] <knome> didn't know that
[15:26] <knome> are they going to be public?
[15:26] <tretle> hi, I was wondering if someone could give me some feedback on a splash redesign for anjuta im working on
[15:26] <tretle> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1004472
[15:27] <MadsRH> knome -> you can see interviews from last time here: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ubuntudevelopers&view=videos
[15:27] <knome> tretle, looks good, though the name is a bit too fat for my taste
[15:28] <MadsRH> This is great if your missing out on UDS like me ;-) though I would like to see the "talks" streamed, like Debconf8 did
[15:28] <knome> yeah
[15:29] <tretle> knome - hmm.. wasn't using a bold font
[15:29] <thorwil> tretle: the new text is a big improvement over the old.
[15:29] <knome> tretle, the stroke? :)
[15:29] <thorwil> knome takes old for new
[15:29] <thorwil> (i guess)
[15:29] <tretle> stroke?
[15:30] <knome> tretle, the grey stroke outside the text
[15:30] <knome> or am i having some display issues :P
[15:30] <knome> ah oh
[15:30] <knome> !
[15:30] <thorwil> tretle: that horse head in the a looks too comic-like, i think. that was better solved in the old one. also not having the gnome foot in there is a plus
[15:30] <tretle> ah, yeah.... I wasn't sure about the stroke, added it experimentally
[15:30] <knome> sorry!
[15:31] <knome> so the top one is the new?
[15:31] <tretle> yup
[15:31] <knome> ok
[15:31] <MadsRH> tretle -> It looks great
[15:32] <knome> i like the old horse more:)
[15:32] <tretle> The icon in the old one isnt used at all anymore, the icon in the new one is the icon which replaced it some time ago
[15:32] <knome> lol ok
[15:33] <thorwil> tretle: whoever made the new horse head made it worse. the old has varying line width, making it come alive. the new one looks amateurish in comparison
[15:35] <tretle> Well I had nothing to do with the redesign of the icon but I prefer it, it fits in with other icons better
[15:37] <knome> is anjuta pronounced like un-utah ? :)
[15:37] <thorwil> pah, it could be a giraffe as well in the new one
[15:38] <tretle> Im wondering if I should put a thin black border around the blue part of the splash
[15:40] <thorwil> tretle: it will most likely be surrounded by gray, right? consider a darker and maybe less saturated version of that blue as something in between a balck border and no border at all
[15:40] <thorwil> as a black border might appear a little heavy
[15:40] <tretle> it wont be surrounded by gray
[15:42] <tretle> the splash doesnt have a gtk window border or anything, just the image itself with a progress bar overlayed on it
[15:42] <tretle> was thinking that the progress bar could be a black underline for the text
[15:43] <thorwil> tretle: in that case you could suggest a little depth by making the top and perhaps the left border a bit brighter
[15:45] <tretle> hmm.... thanks for the feedback so far... must go for dinner.. will be back soon
[16:16] <_MMA_> So I got a logo I've done for a free software project. They really like it, but don't have the time to use it now. They said I can put it out there, but what license do I use to make it public but keep the rights so the project can use it later? cc-by-nc-nd maybe?
[16:22] <tretle> hmmmm..... I think I did an awful job at trying to give the blue part more depth
[16:22] <tretle> http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6126/anjutasplash7nt3.png
[16:22] <knome> tbh yes a bit :P
[16:29] <thorwil> tretle: i was thinking of the depth of cardboard or something like that, to be achieved with a 1px border
[16:30] <tretle> new to gimp so doing everything manually, how do u apply an lpx border?
[16:31] <thorwil> tretle: you are working with the wrong tool. so much simpler to thid kind of stuff in inkscape
[16:32] <thorwil> tretle: however, you can do a select all, then shrink selection by 1 pixel, invert selection. this way is good if you want to use a gradient
[16:33] <thorwil> tretle: for a single color edges in small images, you can use the pencil tool
[16:33] <thorwil> 1px brush, click first corner, hold shift, click second corner ...
[16:38] <tretle> how do youu get a shading/lighting effect with that brush?
[16:42] <thorwil> tretle: you don't. just pick suitable colors ;)
[16:52] <_MMA_> bah.. Bunch of useless good-for-nothings. :P
[16:57] <tretle> hmmmm.... nice new thing to learn
[16:57] <tretle> http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7416/anjutasplash10hi5.png
[16:57] <tretle> with gradiant border
[16:58] <thorwil> MadsRH: just pick a license that will be compatible with the project. that can hardly include NC and ND
[17:00] <thorwil> tretle: you have to include the bar at the bottom in your treatment. play around a bit more, maybe you will start to see the value of being subtle
[17:04] <_MMA_> thorwil: huh? You get the name wrong there? :)
[17:04] <thorwil> _MMA_: what, where?
[17:05] <_MMA_> "thorwil: *MadsRH*: just pick a license that will be compatible with the project. that can hardly include NC and ND"
[17:05] <_MMA_> I asked about license. :)
[17:06] <thorwil> _MMA_: damn, really misread that
[17:06] <_MMA_> :)
[17:07] <_MMA_> thorwil: NC and ND *for now* as I will allow the project to decide license later, once and if, they use it.
[17:07] <thorwil> _MMA_: just present the logo and say nothing. defaults nobody is allowed to do shit with it without your permission
[17:08] <_MMA_> Ok. I guess that works.
[17:09] <_MMA_> thorwil: It's the FLAC logo I did a bit ago. http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4615/myflachl7.png
[17:10] <thorwil> _MMA_: cute. the white borders have an entirely different effect for each of the colors
[17:11] <thorwil> it's a glow for yellow, but less so for others
[17:13] <_MMA_> Josh Coalson (lead on FLAC) really liked it but said he was just too busy for a update to the look of the FLAC site. I was gonna email him again and see if he would be open to a redesign if he had to do very little.
[19:11] <tretle> http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2696/anjutasplash11vi4.png
[19:12] <tretle> had some complaints about the font so made a custom letter, think it looks alot better now
[19:12] <tretle> what do u think?
[19:57] <thorwil> tretle: do you have the previous image link at hand?
[19:58] <tretle> http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7416/anjutasplash10hi5.png
[19:59] <thorwil> tretle: i still think the horse in the a is not a good idea. look at the snout, how it ends at the vertical stroke of the a. that's unfortunate. if you want to keep it in the letter, you should either make sure there is a gap between snout and stroke, or a clear overlap
[20:00] <thorwil> tretle: does the new A have the same bow as the n and u?
[20:01] <thorwil> tretle: a darker instead of a brighter background inside the "a" will help
[20:02] <thorwil> tretle: the A is too close to the n if you look at the kerning of the other letters
[20:03] <tretle> yeah, the A has the same bow as the n, not sure about the u. the new A is just a modified n
[20:09] <andreasn> tretle: cool progress, as Naba mentioned in the bug report, perhaps something with a more dramatic feeling would be coo
[20:09] <andreasn> cool
[20:09] <andreasn> I would also drop the GNOME foot
[20:11] <andreasn> maybe the big horse logo + some small text