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| TheMuso | When one wants to close more than one LP bug at once, is only a comma and the next LP bug number sufficient? | 00:21 |
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| StevenK | TheMuso: From what I recall (LP: #xxxxx, #yyyy) works | 00:23 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: Yeah, just confirmed it by checking the resulting changes file, thanks. | 00:23 |
| TheMuso | c | 00:23 |
| tonyyarusso | pitti: Excellent. | 00:28 |
| ScottK-laptop | Anyone around with hardware, inclination, etc, to do an armel test build for me? | 01:29 |
| glick | excuse me reading the community Kernel/Compile page and it says i have to do sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-devel among other things, but apt says that there is no such package | 03:20 |
| jdong | who's our selinux people? There's so much conflicting info on how to enable SELinux in Ubuntu | 03:29 |
| ScottK | jdong: Join #ubuntu-hardened and I'll point you at them. | 03:55 |
| soc | hi | 03:57 |
| ScottK | Hello soc. | 03:58 |
| soc | do i need the mount option "journal_async_commit" when mounting ext4 in jaunty | 03:58 |
| soc | or is this already enabled by default? | 03:58 |
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| bluefoxicy | Question | 05:46 |
| bluefoxicy | in Top, what's state D again? | 05:46 |
| bluefoxicy | Non-escapable kernel call or something? | 05:47 |
| bluefoxicy | Pidgin just froze stuck in state D, and when I killed itand brought it back up it went back to it immediately. | 05:47 |
| jdong | bluefoxicy: uninterruptable | 05:47 |
| bluefoxicy | ok it's working again | 05:47 |
| bluefoxicy | but that's really strange | 05:48 |
| jdong | but yeah you have the right idea; most of the times that state is when it gets stuck on a syscall | 05:48 |
| jdong | i.e. disk IO, etc | 05:48 |
| jdong | *cough* Pulse/Alsa *cough* | 05:48 |
| bluefoxicy | hmm :| | 05:52 |
| bluefoxicy | well I didn't strace it and it's working now | 05:52 |
| bluefoxicy | If I catch something later I'll file it | 05:52 |
| thinkgnu | is there any difference to compile a project and make a package for ubuntu 8.4 or 8.10 while using the same compiler ? | 08:00 |
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| det | Are there any kind of estimates on how popcon installs figures relate to actual installs? | 10:05 |
| RainCT | det: there are 800.000 submissions, so if we guess a user base of like 10 millions it would be around an 5-10% | 10:07 |
| det | So, you are saying multiply the number of installs in popcon statistics by 10-20 to get the real number ? | 10:08 |
| det | (estimated) | 10:08 |
| RainCT | det: Yes. I'm not sure how accurate the 10 millions are, though | 10:10 |
| det | Thanks. | 10:12 |
| det | I wonder how popcon determines if someone uses a program "regularly". | 10:14 |
| det | I'll check the FAQ | 10:14 |
| RainCT | iirc it checks if it was executed within the last <insert timeframe>. | 10:15 |
| RainCT | «A computer 'vote' for a package if according to the data provided in the report, a program provided or depending on the package was used less than thirty days ago. This computation is performed by the popcon server. | 10:16 |
| RainCT | » | 10:17 |
| RainCT | (http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ) | 10:17 |
| ion_ | Heh. There’s a b-boy team called Ubuntu in the documentary Planet B-Boy. :-) | 10:32 |
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| siekacz | hi | 11:20 |
| siekacz | I can't find displayconfig-gtk | 11:20 |
| tombee | Is there any recommendations for an IDE when it comes to development within Ubuntu? | 11:46 |
| tombee | I've had a look at Anjuta and Eclipse, certain things I like about each of them. | 11:47 |
| Company | tombee: there's also kdevelop | 11:47 |
| Company | tombee: but most of the ubuntu developers use pure text editors like vim and terminals | 11:48 |
| siekacz | is there any replacement for displayconfig-gtk? | 11:48 |
| RainCT | siekacz: gnome-display-properties | 11:50 |
| RainCT | siekacz: displayconfig-gtk has been obsoleted by changes in X.org | 11:50 |
| siekacz | i need to reconfigure my monitor | 11:51 |
| siekacz | nly 800x600 is available | 11:51 |
| siekacz | xfix doesn't work | 11:51 |
| siekacz | editing xorg is the only way? | 11:52 |
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| === siekach is now known as siekacz | ||
| RainCT | siekacz: better ask in #ubuntu | 11:55 |
| siekacz | RainCT, i know, but i'm banned, don't know why? | 11:55 |
| RainCT | siekacz: ask in #ubuntu-ops | 11:56 |
| LordMetroid | What do a distro developer do? The kernel and all software is already coded, right? | 12:35 |
| RainCT | LordMetroid: package software, write/apply patches when necessary, etc. | 12:38 |
| LordMetroid | ok | 12:38 |
| Company | LordMetroid: from my point of view, a distro developer a) is a link between his users and the kernel etc developers and b) works on integrating the kernel and all other things so they work fine together | 12:41 |
| Company | (but i'm not a distro developer, but a gnome developer) | 12:41 |
| LordMetroid | Ohh, I see... | 12:42 |
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| ebroder | How do I figure out why a package wasn't imported from Debian? | 17:09 |
| nhandler | ebroder: What is the package? | 17:11 |
| ebroder | The shibboleth-sp2 shource package | 17:11 |
| nhandler | It looks like Debian has 2.0.dfsg1-4 as well as jaunty | 17:13 |
| ebroder | Oh, hmm. packages.ubuntu.com didn't list it | 17:13 |
| sebner | ebroder: it's often outdated | 17:14 |
| * ebroder nods | 17:14 | |
| ebroder | Is there somewhere else I can look for a more updated list? Other than running jaunty | 17:14 |
| sebner | ebroder: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+search?text= | 17:15 |
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| ebroder | That doesn't find it | 17:16 |
| jdong | /usr/bin/madison | 17:18 |
| jdong | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shibboleth-sp2 | 17:19 |
| jdong | found it just fine for me. | 17:19 |
| nhandler | rmadison should also work | 17:19 |
| ebroder | Looks like it FTBFS | 17:19 |
| jdong | oh that's a nasty error :) | 17:20 |
| ebroder | Yeah... | 17:21 |
| glick | excuse me, im trying to build my current kernel. i got the sources using apt-get. and i installed all the packages from the community doc Kernel/Compile how ever when i try to build it I get this error.../usr/bin/fakeroot: line 164: debian/rules: No such file or directory | 17:26 |
| glick | it looks like the kernel debian subfolder is empty | 17:26 |
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| glick | is there an ubuntu kernel channel? | 17:28 |
| RainCT | glick: Sure, #ubuntu-kernel | 17:28 |
| glick | cool | 17:28 |
| glick | thanks | 17:28 |
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| glick | hey does anyone know why my kernel debian subfolder is empty? | 17:51 |
| glick | when i download the the kernel sources | 17:51 |
| ebroder | Did you just download the .tar.gz file? Or did you get the .diff.gz as well? | 17:51 |
| glick | so when i try to run debian/rules i get a file not found | 17:51 |
| glick | i got the diff file as well | 17:52 |
| ebroder | And the diff was applied? | 17:52 |
| glick | no | 17:52 |
| ebroder | Well...then that's your problem :) | 17:52 |
| glick | thast not in the documentation | 17:53 |
| ebroder | What documentation did you read? | 17:53 |
| glick | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile | 17:53 |
| ebroder | Did you do apt-get source linux-something? | 17:53 |
| ebroder | (That should apply the diff) | 17:53 |
| glick | i did apt-get linux-sources | 17:54 |
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| ebroder | Huh? | 17:54 |
| glick | i also did apt-get build-dep linux-source | 17:55 |
| glick | which is an error | 17:55 |
| ebroder | Running "apt-get linux-sources" wouldn't do anything | 17:55 |
| ebroder | Because that's not an apt-get command | 17:55 |
| ebroder | Uh...let's backtrack for a moment. What version of Ubuntu are you using? | 17:55 |
| jdong | apt-get source linux? | 17:55 |
| glick | ibex | 17:56 |
| ebroder | jdong: That gives you linux-meta, I think | 17:56 |
| jdong | the linux-source-`uname -r` distribution does *NOT* include debian/ | 17:56 |
| TheMuso | apt-get source linux=version is what works, at least for me. | 17:56 |
| jdong | ebroder: no, That's linux-meta :) | 17:56 |
| jdong | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux | 17:56 |
| jdong | linux is the main Linux source package since hardy. | 17:56 |
| glick | whats linux meta? | 17:56 |
| ebroder | On Hardy, `apt-get source linux` gives me the source for linux-meta | 17:56 |
| jdong | that's the one you want if you want debian/ too | 17:57 |
| glick | first, the docs say i need a package called linux-kernel-devel | 17:57 |
| glick | when i try to get that it says there is no such package | 17:57 |
| jdong | ebroder: ack that's because apt-get source picks *binary* package names first :( | 17:58 |
| jdong | stupid thing. | 17:58 |
| jdong | grab the version you want from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux then | 17:58 |
| jdong | linux-meta generates a binary package called linux | 17:58 |
| jdong | now who's idea was that :) | 17:58 |
| ebroder | jdong: I know - I'm just saying that `apt-get source linux` won't DWYW | 17:59 |
| pitti | calc: MIR> ah, good; yes, it's MainInclusionReportTemplate | 18:00 |
| glick | so what do i need to get to compile the kernel? | 18:00 |
| * TheMuso is finding himself not entirely surprised that a lot of people are online this morning. | 18:01 | |
| ebroder | glick: Start with `apt-get build-dep linux-image-$(uname -r)` | 18:01 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Oh? | 18:01 |
| jdong | that works too. | 18:01 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: I thought that a lot of people would be heading out to do things. | 18:01 |
| TheMuso | c | 18:01 |
| glick | ok thats done ebroder | 18:02 |
| ebroder | Ok. Then I think you want to do `apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)` | 18:02 |
| ebroder | That'll download the source package for the kernel you're running | 18:02 |
| glick | ok | 18:03 |
| glick | i got a .dsc file a deff file and a tar file | 18:03 |
| ebroder | Yeah, it should unpack everything, too | 18:03 |
| glick | into my current folder? | 18:04 |
| ebroder | It should make a folder called linux-2.6.27 | 18:04 |
| ebroder | ...do you have build-essential installed? | 18:04 |
| glick | yes ebroder | 18:04 |
| ebroder | glick: ok, just checking. So is there a linux-2.6.27 folder? | 18:05 |
| glick | yes ebroder | 18:05 |
| ebroder | glick: So are you just trying to rebuild the kernel you're running? Or are you trying to do something to it? | 18:06 |
| glick | ebroder, im trying to get a built tree so i can do some module devel | 18:06 |
| ebroder | glick: Ah, ok. Then just run `AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-FLAVOR`, where flavor is something like generic or server | 18:07 |
| glick | ebroder, dont i have to do something with a config file? | 18:07 |
| ebroder | Not if you're not changing the config | 18:07 |
| glick | sweet | 18:07 |
| glick | lemme give it a shot | 18:08 |
| jdong | wait why do you need a built tree to do module development? | 18:08 |
| glick | thats what my driver book says :) | 18:08 |
| TheMuso | c | 18:09 |
| * jdong whispers apt-get install linux-headers-generic | 18:09 | |
| TheMuso | gah typing | 18:09 |
| NCommander | hey TheMuso | 18:09 |
| TheMuso | Yo NCommander. Where are you at present? | 18:09 |
| glick | jdong, i thought the latest modules link to object files in the kernel tree | 18:10 |
| glick | thats why you need a pre-built kernel tree | 18:10 |
| NCommander | TheMuso, trapped in the Rochester deepfreeze | 18:10 |
| glick | thanks ebroder its workin :) | 18:10 |
| NCommander | and praying I can make my connector in Washington DC | 18:10 |
| NCommander | If I don't make the connection | 18:10 |
| TheMuso | NCommander: Fun. | 18:10 |
| NCommander | I won't get to SF until Tuesday likely | 18:10 |
| TheMuso | On that really sucks. When were you supposed to get here? | 18:10 |
| jdong | glick: no, the headers in linux-headers-generic are all that's necessary to build kernel modules | 18:11 |
| jdong | you don't need a fully built kernel tree | 18:11 |
| jdong | just like how with a kernel tree you only need "make modules_prepare" | 18:11 |
| NCommander | TheMuso, tonight, 8PM PST | 18:11 |
| glick | hmm | 18:11 |
| TheMuso | NCommander: Oh that really sucks. | 18:12 |
| TheMuso | NCommander: You let anybody at SF know this? | 18:12 |
| * NCommander makes it personal policy not to fly if at all possible | 18:12 | |
| NCommander | TheMuso, not yet, the flight is delayed, but not outright canceled (yet) | 18:12 |
| TheMuso | NCommander: Right. | 18:12 |
| NCommander | If it leaves at the current delayed time | 18:12 |
| NCommander | I'll JUST make the connection | 18:12 |
| TheMuso | NCommander: Well good luck, I hope you can get here today. | 18:13 |
| NCommander | Yeah | 18:13 |
| * NCommander is cleanly shaved, and has short hair again | 18:13 | |
| NCommander | I've been going all around the ****ing country running errands and dealing with stuff that I just finally got around to doing things like getting my jacket pressed yesterday | 18:14 |
| jdong | too much information. | 18:14 |
| jdong | *ducks* | 18:14 |
| * NCommander kills jdong | 18:14 | |
| jdong | lol | 18:14 |
| * NCommander throws jdong into the Rochester deep-freeze | 18:14 | |
| sebner | !ohmy NCommander :P | 18:15 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 18:15 |
| sebner | !ohmy! NCommander :P | 18:15 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 18:15 |
| sebner | -.- | 18:15 |
| NCommander | ahahah | 18:15 |
| NCommander | sebner, I'm censored | 18:16 |
| sebner | !ohmy | NCommander :P | 18:16 |
| ubottu | NCommander :P: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. | 18:16 |
| NCommander | No need to ohmy me | 18:16 |
| sebner | haha! | 18:16 |
| jdong | so is shaved or unshaved the new fad? :) | 18:16 |
| jdong | wow we've derailed this channel | 18:16 |
| NCommander | You'll see when I get to UDS | 18:16 |
| sebner | too much information for sebner :P | 18:16 |
| NCommander | jdong, it's a talent | 18:16 |
| jdong | sigh they change this stuff too often :) | 18:16 |
| jdong | there's no lvcreate -s for shaving, is there.... | 18:16 |
| * NCommander torrents remixs from oc remix | 18:19 | |
| === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler | ||
| NCommander | By time I make it to the west coast, my music collection should be fully restored | 18:19 |
| NCommander | Wow, impressive, I'm being throttled all the way down to 10kb/s | 18:23 |
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| sigp226 | How do I setup a drag and drop encrypted folder? | 18:42 |
| === wasabi is now known as wasabi_1 | ||
| * calc is in pleasanton, ca for the day | 19:03 | |
| Keybuk | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/105234/comments/113 | 20:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 105234 in network-manager "Network manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Critical,Fix released] | 20:32 |
| pitti | Keybuk: headhunters must really be desperate... | 20:37 |
| * pitti finishes wrestling with ekiga and flushing the SRU queue, and wonders if anyone is up for a walk for an hour or two? | 20:38 | |
| Spads | Keybuk: you should make a linkedin account for that bug and then try to link up with all the networkmanager developers | 20:41 |
| NCommander | hey TheMuso | 21:31 |
| TheMuso | NCommander: hey again. | 21:36 |
| NCommander | TheMuso, now communicating from Washington DC | 21:36 |
| TheMuso | NCommander: Is that a good thing? | 21:37 |
| NCommander | One connection down | 21:37 |
| jdong | TERRORIST! | 21:37 |
| NCommander | I'm sitting next to the fight to San Franscisco | 21:37 |
| jdong | HE IS IN IRC AT AN AIRPORT | 21:37 |
| NCommander | I'm using IRC over a wireless modem at an airport at the nations capital | 21:37 |
| NCommander | The FCC should be descending from avoid and shooting my laptop any moment | 21:38 |
| TheMuso | lol | 21:38 |
| * NCommander wonders if gmail will load anytime soon | 21:38 | |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Where airport? | 21:44 |
| ScottK-laptop | Where/Which | 21:44 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop, Washington DC/Dulles | 21:44 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: You're about an hour drive from my house then. | 21:45 |
| ScottK-laptop | Well, between one hour and two days depending on the traffic. | 21:45 |
| RainCT | lol | 21:45 |
| NCommander | rofl | 21:45 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop, If you want to meet in real life, lets do it after I return from UDS, Maryland is only a three-four hour drive, and I don't mind doing it | 21:45 |
| ScottK-laptop | Sure thing. | 21:46 |
| NCommander | It's nice tobe out the deep freeze | 21:47 |
| NCommander | My laptop actually running above 70F since I'm someplace with heat :-) | 21:47 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: I thought you were in NY somewhere? | 21:48 |
| ScottK-laptop | Normally, I mean. | 21:48 |
| NCommander | Rochester, NY | 21:48 |
| NCommander | But I have family in NYC | 21:48 |
| NCommander | And I don't have a huge problem driving across this country | 21:48 |
| NCommander | :-) | 21:48 |
| ScottK-laptop | I think that's more than 3-4 hours, but ... | 21:49 |
| NCommander | from NYC? | 21:49 |
| NCommander | (from Rochester, its more in the ballpark of seven or eight) | 21:49 |
| * NCommander books the supershuttle from SFO to the hotel | 21:50 | |
| ScottK-laptop | Maybe 4 from NYC, depending on where. | 21:57 |
| Treenaks | so.. is there a special uds channel yet? | 22:11 |
| j1mc | Treenaks: #ubuntu-devel-summit | 22:18 |
| test34 | kernel Ubuntu-2.7.27-4.7 in ubuntu's git ? a mistake or is a beta ? | 22:26 |
| jdong | sounds like a typo to me? | 22:31 |
| test34 | ok | 22:35 |
| test34 | I experience a kernel bug with the latest one then: Ubuntu-2.6.27-9.19 | 22:35 |
| test34 | but it doesn't happen with kernel v2.6.27.8 | 22:38 |
| test34 | sorry that doesnt belong here | 22:38 |
| RAOF | tjaalton: I've stumbled across your xorg-jaunty blueprint, with the 'status of nouveau' question. Nouveau is now buildable and useable on Jaunty's standard libdrm, and I've got a dkms'd build of the kernel modules in my PPA. | 23:42 |
| directhex | RAOF, is it generally usable, though? | 23:42 |
| RAOF | directhex: Absolutely. | 23:43 |
| RAOF | directhex: Moreso than nv on my hardware. | 23:43 |
| directhex | RAOF, does more than glxgears yet? | 23:43 |
| RAOF | Yes. But the interesting features aren't 3d, at least yet. | 23:43 |
| RAOF | We wouldn't be shipping the 3d component. | 23:44 |
| RAOF | Interesting features are excellent 2d acceleration, dual head support, etc. | 23:44 |
| directhex | which are interesting features, then? | 23:44 |
| RAOF | The aggressively-unsupported 3d (still) runs OpenArena at good framerates on my lappy, but many other apps either hit slow paths or don't work properly. | 23:45 |
| directhex | the problem with openarena as a benchmark is it's a 9 year old engine | 23:47 |
| RAOF | Right. The 3d isn't ready to be used yet. | 23:47 |
| * directhex is mostly waiting for 4000-series intel support to improve enough that he can run a game on his laptop without X falling over dead | 23:49 | |
| jdong | ha you're joking. | 23:49 |
| jdong | I'm still waiting for my 900-series Intel to work. | 23:49 |
| jdong | what's red and blue and red and blue and green and blocky all over? | 23:50 |
| jdong | xserver-xorg-video-intel trying to wake from suspend while playing xvideo with compiz on. | 23:50 |
| jdong | :P | 23:50 |
| RAOF | Hah. Suspend! Surely you jest? | 23:50 |
| jdong | it's amazing that some laptop users might actually want suspend support :) | 23:51 |
| directhex | jdong, nothing changes. i remember the good ol' days of ati rage on windows - one driver would cause lockups within 12 seconds of boot, t'other would, on fullscreen 3d apps, only draw half the screen, in purple | 23:51 |
| jdong | fast-user switching not having 3D accelerated 2nd users is also a bit mean :) | 23:51 |
| jdong | I guess it's a fight for who gets to log in first and have 3D :) | 23:51 |
| allquixotic | Hi! I reported the SRU here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libshout/+bug/304843 and it has been pushed to intrepid-proposed. If someone else can run the test case and verify its correctness, we should be good to go after waiting a week for regressions. Please leave a comment on the bug if you perform the test steps. :) | 23:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 304843 in libshout "SRU Request: libshout3 in intrepid" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 23:51 |
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