[00:21] <TheMuso> When one wants to close more than one LP bug at once, is only a comma and the next LP bug number sufficient?
[00:23] <StevenK> TheMuso: From what I recall (LP: #xxxxx, #yyyy) works
[00:23] <TheMuso> StevenK: Yeah, just confirmed it by checking the resulting changes file, thanks.
[00:23] <TheMuso> c
[00:28] <tonyyarusso> pitti: Excellent.
[01:29] <ScottK-laptop> Anyone around with hardware, inclination, etc, to do an armel test build for me?
[03:20] <glick> excuse me reading the community Kernel/Compile page and it says i have to do sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-devel among other things, but apt says that there is no such package
[03:29] <jdong> who's our selinux people? There's so much conflicting info on how to enable SELinux in Ubuntu
[03:55] <ScottK> jdong: Join #ubuntu-hardened and I'll point you at them.
[03:57] <soc> hi
[03:58] <ScottK> Hello soc.
[03:58] <soc> do i need the mount option "journal_async_commit" when mounting ext4 in jaunty
[03:58] <soc> or is this already enabled by default?
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> Question
[05:46] <bluefoxicy> in Top, what's state D again?
[05:47] <bluefoxicy> Non-escapable kernel call or something?
[05:47] <bluefoxicy> Pidgin just froze stuck in state D, and when I killed itand brought it back up it went back to it immediately.
[05:47] <jdong> bluefoxicy: uninterruptable
[05:47] <bluefoxicy> ok it's working again
[05:48] <bluefoxicy> but that's really strange
[05:48] <jdong> but yeah  you have the right idea; most of the times that state is when it gets stuck on a syscall
[05:48] <jdong> i.e. disk IO, etc
[05:48] <jdong> *cough* Pulse/Alsa *cough*
[05:52] <bluefoxicy> hmm :|
[05:52] <bluefoxicy> well I didn't strace it and it's working now
[05:52] <bluefoxicy> If I catch something later I'll file it
[08:00] <thinkgnu> is there any difference to compile a project and make a package for ubuntu 8.4 or 8.10 while using the same compiler ?
[10:05] <det> Are there any kind of estimates on how popcon installs figures relate to actual installs?
[10:07] <RainCT> det: there are 800.000 submissions, so if we guess a user base of like 10 millions it would be around an 5-10%
[10:08] <det> So, you are saying multiply the number of installs in popcon statistics by 10-20 to get the real number ?
[10:08] <det> (estimated)
[10:10] <RainCT> det: Yes. I'm not sure how accurate the 10 millions are, though
[10:12] <det> Thanks.
[10:14] <det> I wonder how popcon determines if someone uses a program "regularly".
[10:14] <det> I'll check the FAQ
[10:15] <RainCT> iirc it checks if it was executed within the last <insert timeframe>.
[10:16] <RainCT> «A computer 'vote' for a package if according to the data provided in the report, a program provided or depending on the package was used less than thirty days ago. This computation is performed by the popcon server.
[10:17] <RainCT> »
[10:17] <RainCT> (http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ)
[10:32] <ion_> Heh. There’s a b-boy team called Ubuntu in the documentary Planet B-Boy. :-)
[11:20] <siekacz> hi
[11:20] <siekacz> I can't find displayconfig-gtk
[11:46] <tombee> Is there any recommendations for an IDE when it comes to development within Ubuntu?
[11:47] <tombee> I've had a look at Anjuta and Eclipse, certain things I like about each of them.
[11:47] <Company> tombee: there's also kdevelop
[11:48] <Company> tombee: but most of the ubuntu developers use pure text editors like vim and terminals
[11:48] <siekacz> is there any replacement for displayconfig-gtk?
[11:50] <RainCT> siekacz: gnome-display-properties
[11:50] <RainCT> siekacz: displayconfig-gtk has been obsoleted by changes in X.org
[11:51] <siekacz> i need to reconfigure my monitor
[11:51] <siekacz> nly 800x600 is available
[11:51] <siekacz> xfix doesn't work
[11:52] <siekacz> editing xorg is the only way?
[11:55] <RainCT> siekacz: better ask in #ubuntu
[11:55] <siekacz> RainCT, i know, but i'm banned, don't know why?
[11:56] <RainCT> siekacz: ask in #ubuntu-ops
[12:35] <LordMetroid> What do a distro developer do? The kernel and all software is already coded, right?
[12:38] <RainCT> LordMetroid: package software, write/apply patches when necessary, etc.
[12:38] <LordMetroid> ok
[12:41] <Company> LordMetroid: from my point of view, a distro developer a) is a link between his users and the kernel etc developers and b) works on integrating the kernel and all other things so they work fine together
[12:41] <Company> (but i'm not a distro developer, but a gnome developer)
[12:42] <LordMetroid> Ohh, I see...
[17:09] <ebroder> How do I figure out why a package wasn't imported from Debian?
[17:11] <nhandler> ebroder: What is the package?
[17:11] <ebroder> The shibboleth-sp2 shource package
[17:13] <nhandler> It looks like Debian has 2.0.dfsg1-4 as well as jaunty
[17:13] <ebroder> Oh, hmm. packages.ubuntu.com didn't list it
[17:14] <sebner> ebroder: it's often outdated
[17:14]  * ebroder nods
[17:14] <ebroder> Is there somewhere else I can look for a more updated list? Other than running jaunty
[17:15] <sebner> ebroder: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+search?text=
[17:16] <ebroder> That doesn't find it
[17:18] <jdong> /usr/bin/madison
[17:19] <jdong> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shibboleth-sp2
[17:19] <jdong> found it just fine for me.
[17:19] <nhandler> rmadison should also work
[17:19] <ebroder> Looks like it FTBFS
[17:20] <jdong> oh that's a nasty error :)
[17:21] <ebroder> Yeah...
[17:26] <glick> excuse me, im trying to build my current kernel.  i got the sources using apt-get. and i installed all the packages from the community doc Kernel/Compile how ever when i try to build it I get this error.../usr/bin/fakeroot: line 164: debian/rules: No such file or directory
[17:26] <glick> it looks like the kernel debian subfolder is empty
[17:28] <glick> is there an ubuntu kernel channel?
[17:28] <RainCT> glick: Sure, #ubuntu-kernel
[17:28] <glick> cool
[17:28] <glick> thanks
[17:51] <glick> hey does anyone know why my kernel debian subfolder is empty?
[17:51] <glick> when i download the the kernel sources
[17:51] <ebroder> Did you just download the .tar.gz file? Or did you get the .diff.gz as well?
[17:51] <glick> so when i try to run debian/rules i get a file not found
[17:52] <glick> i got the diff file as well
[17:52] <ebroder> And the diff was applied?
[17:52] <glick> no
[17:52] <ebroder> Well...then that's your problem :)
[17:53] <glick> thast not in the documentation
[17:53] <ebroder> What documentation did you read?
[17:53] <glick> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[17:53] <ebroder> Did you do apt-get source linux-something?
[17:53] <ebroder> (That should apply the diff)
[17:54] <glick> i did apt-get linux-sources
[17:54] <ebroder> Huh?
[17:55] <glick> i also did apt-get build-dep linux-source
[17:55] <glick> which is an error
[17:55] <ebroder> Running "apt-get linux-sources" wouldn't do anything
[17:55] <ebroder> Because that's not an apt-get command
[17:55] <ebroder> Uh...let's backtrack for a moment. What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[17:55] <jdong> apt-get source linux?
[17:56] <glick> ibex
[17:56] <ebroder> jdong: That gives you linux-meta, I think
[17:56] <jdong> the linux-source-`uname -r` distribution does *NOT* include debian/
[17:56] <TheMuso> apt-get source linux=version is what works, at least for me.
[17:56] <jdong> ebroder: no, That's linux-meta :)
[17:56] <jdong> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[17:56] <jdong> linux is the main Linux source package since hardy.
[17:56] <glick> whats linux meta?
[17:56] <ebroder> On Hardy, `apt-get source linux` gives me the source for linux-meta
[17:57] <jdong> that's the one you want if you want debian/ too
[17:57] <glick> first, the docs say i need a package called linux-kernel-devel
[17:57] <glick> when i try to get that it says there is no such package
[17:58] <jdong> ebroder: ack that's because apt-get source picks *binary* package names first :(
[17:58] <jdong> stupid thing.
[17:58] <jdong> grab the version you want from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux then
[17:58] <jdong> linux-meta generates a binary package called linux
[17:58] <jdong> now who's idea was that :)
[17:59] <ebroder> jdong: I know - I'm just saying that `apt-get source linux` won't DWYW
[18:00] <pitti> calc: MIR> ah, good; yes, it's MainInclusionReportTemplate
[18:00] <glick> so what do i need to get to compile the kernel?
[18:01]  * TheMuso is finding himself not entirely surprised that a lot of people are online this morning.
[18:01] <ebroder> glick: Start with `apt-get build-dep linux-image-$(uname -r)`
[18:01] <StevenK> TheMuso: Oh?
[18:01] <jdong> that works too.
[18:01] <TheMuso> StevenK: I thought that a lot of people would be heading out to do things.
[18:01] <TheMuso> c
[18:02] <glick> ok thats done ebroder
[18:02] <ebroder> Ok. Then I think you want to do `apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)`
[18:02] <ebroder> That'll download the source package for the kernel you're running
[18:03] <glick> ok
[18:03] <glick> i got a .dsc file a deff file and a tar file
[18:03] <ebroder> Yeah, it should unpack everything, too
[18:04] <glick> into my current folder?
[18:04] <ebroder> It should make a folder called linux-2.6.27
[18:04] <ebroder> ...do you have build-essential installed?
[18:04] <glick> yes ebroder
[18:05] <ebroder> glick: ok, just checking. So is there a linux-2.6.27 folder?
[18:05] <glick> yes ebroder
[18:06] <ebroder> glick: So are you just trying to rebuild the kernel you're running? Or are you trying to do something to it?
[18:06] <glick> ebroder, im trying to get a built tree so i can do some module devel
[18:07] <ebroder> glick: Ah, ok. Then just run `AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-FLAVOR`, where flavor is something like generic or server
[18:07] <glick> ebroder, dont i have to do something with a config file?
[18:07] <ebroder> Not if you're not changing the config
[18:07] <glick> sweet
[18:08] <glick> lemme give it a shot
[18:08] <jdong> wait why do  you need a built tree to do module development?
[18:08] <glick> thats what my driver book says :)
[18:09] <TheMuso> c
[18:09]  * jdong whispers apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[18:09] <TheMuso> gah typing
[18:09] <NCommander> hey TheMuso
[18:09] <TheMuso> Yo NCommander. Where are you at present?
[18:10] <glick> jdong, i thought the latest modules link to object files in the kernel tree
[18:10] <glick> thats why you need a pre-built kernel tree
[18:10] <NCommander> TheMuso, trapped in the Rochester deepfreeze
[18:10] <glick> thanks ebroder its workin :)
[18:10] <NCommander> and praying I can make my connector in Washington DC
[18:10] <NCommander> If I don't make the connection
[18:10] <TheMuso> NCommander: Fun.
[18:10] <NCommander> I won't get to SF until Tuesday likely
[18:10] <TheMuso> On that really sucks. When were you supposed to get here?
[18:11] <jdong> glick: no, the headers in linux-headers-generic are all that's necessary to build kernel modules
[18:11] <jdong> you don't need a fully built kernel tree
[18:11] <jdong> just like how with a kernel tree you only need "make modules_prepare"
[18:11] <NCommander> TheMuso, tonight, 8PM PST
[18:11] <glick> hmm
[18:12] <TheMuso> NCommander: Oh that really sucks.
[18:12] <TheMuso> NCommander: You let anybody at SF know this?
[18:12]  * NCommander makes it personal policy not to fly if at all possible
[18:12] <NCommander> TheMuso, not yet, the flight is delayed, but not outright canceled (yet)
[18:12] <TheMuso> NCommander: Right.
[18:12] <NCommander> If it leaves at the current delayed time
[18:12] <NCommander> I'll JUST make the connection
[18:13] <TheMuso> NCommander: Well good luck, I hope you can get here today.
[18:13] <NCommander> Yeah
[18:13]  * NCommander is cleanly shaved, and has short hair again
[18:14] <NCommander> I've been going all around the ****ing country running errands and dealing with stuff that I just finally got around to doing things like getting my jacket pressed yesterday
[18:14] <jdong> too much information.
[18:14] <jdong> *ducks*
[18:14]  * NCommander kills jdong 
[18:14] <jdong> lol
[18:14]  * NCommander throws jdong into the Rochester deep-freeze
[18:15] <sebner> !ohmy NCommander :P
[18:15] <sebner> !ohmy! NCommander :P
[18:15] <sebner> -.-
[18:15] <NCommander> ahahah
[18:16] <NCommander> sebner, I'm censored
[18:16] <sebner> !ohmy | NCommander :P
[18:16] <NCommander> No need to ohmy me
[18:16] <sebner> haha!
[18:16] <jdong> so is shaved or unshaved the new fad? :)
[18:16] <jdong> wow we've derailed this channel
[18:16] <NCommander> You'll see when I get to UDS
[18:16] <sebner> too much information for sebner :P
[18:16] <NCommander> jdong, it's a talent
[18:16] <jdong> sigh they change this stuff too often :)
[18:16] <jdong> there's no lvcreate -s for shaving, is there....
[18:19]  * NCommander torrents remixs from oc remix
[18:19] <NCommander> By time I make it to the west coast, my music collection should be fully restored
[18:23] <NCommander> Wow, impressive, I'm being throttled all the way down to 10kb/s
[18:42] <sigp226> How do I setup a drag and drop encrypted folder?
[19:03]  * calc is in pleasanton, ca for the day
[20:32] <Keybuk> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/105234/comments/113
[20:37] <pitti> Keybuk: headhunters must really be desperate...
[20:38]  * pitti finishes wrestling with ekiga and flushing the SRU queue, and wonders if anyone is up for a walk for an hour or two?
[20:41] <Spads> Keybuk: you should make a linkedin account for that bug and then try to link up with all the networkmanager developers
[21:31] <NCommander> hey TheMuso
[21:36] <TheMuso> NCommander: hey again.
[21:36] <NCommander> TheMuso, now communicating from Washington DC
[21:37] <TheMuso> NCommander: Is that a good thing?
[21:37] <NCommander> One connection down
[21:37] <jdong> TERRORIST!
[21:37] <NCommander> I'm sitting next to the fight to San Franscisco
[21:37] <jdong> HE IS IN IRC AT AN AIRPORT
[21:37] <NCommander> I'm using IRC over a wireless modem at an airport at the nations capital
[21:38] <NCommander> The FCC should be descending from avoid and shooting my laptop any moment
[21:38] <TheMuso> lol
[21:38]  * NCommander wonders if gmail will load anytime soon
[21:44] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Where airport?
[21:44] <ScottK-laptop> Where/Which
[21:44] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, Washington DC/Dulles
[21:45] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: You're about an hour drive from my house then.
[21:45] <ScottK-laptop> Well, between one hour and two days depending on the traffic.
[21:45] <RainCT> lol
[21:45] <NCommander> rofl
[21:45] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, If you want to meet in real life, lets do it after I return from UDS, Maryland is only a three-four hour drive, and I don't mind doing it
[21:46] <ScottK-laptop> Sure thing.
[21:47] <NCommander> It's nice tobe out the deep freeze
[21:47] <NCommander> My laptop actually running above 70F since I'm someplace with heat :-)
[21:48] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: I thought you were in NY somewhere?
[21:48] <ScottK-laptop> Normally, I mean.
[21:48] <NCommander> Rochester, NY
[21:48] <NCommander> But I have family in NYC
[21:48] <NCommander> And I don't have a huge problem driving across this country
[21:48] <NCommander> :-)
[21:49] <ScottK-laptop> I think that's more than 3-4 hours, but ...
[21:49] <NCommander> from NYC?
[21:49] <NCommander> (from Rochester, its more in the ballpark of seven or eight)
[21:50]  * NCommander books the supershuttle from SFO to the hotel
[21:57] <ScottK-laptop> Maybe 4 from NYC, depending on where.
[22:11] <Treenaks> so.. is there a special uds channel yet?
[22:18] <j1mc> Treenaks: #ubuntu-devel-summit
[22:26] <test34> kernel Ubuntu-2.7.27-4.7 in ubuntu's git ? a mistake  or is a beta ?
[22:31] <jdong> sounds like a typo to me?
[22:35] <test34> ok
[22:35] <test34> I experience a kernel bug with the latest one then: Ubuntu-2.6.27-9.19
[22:38] <test34> but it doesn't happen with kernel v2.6.27.8
[22:38] <test34> sorry that doesnt belong here
[23:42] <RAOF> tjaalton: I've stumbled across your xorg-jaunty blueprint, with the 'status of nouveau' question.  Nouveau is now buildable and useable on Jaunty's standard libdrm, and I've got a dkms'd build of the kernel modules in my PPA.
[23:42] <directhex> RAOF, is it generally usable, though?
[23:43] <RAOF> directhex: Absolutely.
[23:43] <RAOF> directhex: Moreso than nv on my hardware.
[23:43] <directhex> RAOF, does more than glxgears yet?
[23:43] <RAOF> Yes.  But the interesting features aren't 3d, at least yet.
[23:44] <RAOF> We wouldn't be shipping the 3d component.
[23:44] <RAOF> Interesting features are excellent 2d acceleration, dual head support, etc.
[23:44] <directhex> which are interesting features, then?
[23:45] <RAOF> The aggressively-unsupported 3d (still) runs OpenArena at good framerates on my lappy, but many other apps either hit slow paths or don't work properly.
[23:47] <directhex> the problem with openarena as a benchmark is it's a 9 year old engine
[23:47] <RAOF> Right.  The 3d isn't ready to be used yet.
[23:49]  * directhex is mostly waiting for 4000-series intel support to improve enough that he can run a game on his laptop without X falling over dead
[23:49] <jdong> ha you're joking.
[23:49] <jdong> I'm still waiting for my 900-series Intel to work.
[23:50] <jdong> what's red and blue and red and blue and green and blocky all over?
[23:50] <jdong> xserver-xorg-video-intel trying to wake from suspend while playing xvideo with compiz on.
[23:50] <jdong> :P
[23:50] <RAOF> Hah.  Suspend!  Surely you jest?
[23:51] <jdong> it's amazing that some laptop users might actually want suspend support :)
[23:51] <directhex> jdong, nothing changes. i remember the good ol' days of ati rage on windows - one driver would cause lockups within 12 seconds of boot, t'other would, on fullscreen 3d apps, only draw half the screen, in purple
[23:51] <jdong> fast-user switching not having 3D accelerated 2nd users is also a bit mean :)
[23:51] <jdong> I guess it's a fight for who gets to log in first and have 3D :)
[23:51] <allquixotic> Hi! I reported the SRU here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libshout/+bug/304843 and it has been pushed to intrepid-proposed. If someone else can run the test case and verify its correctness, we should be good to go after waiting a week for regressions. Please leave a comment on the bug if you perform the test steps. :)