=== jws141_ is now known as dashua [00:21] When one wants to close more than one LP bug at once, is only a comma and the next LP bug number sufficient? [00:23] TheMuso: From what I recall (LP: #xxxxx, #yyyy) works [00:23] StevenK: Yeah, just confirmed it by checking the resulting changes file, thanks. [00:23] c [00:28] pitti: Excellent. [01:29] Anyone around with hardware, inclination, etc, to do an armel test build for me? [03:20] excuse me reading the community Kernel/Compile page and it says i have to do sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-devel among other things, but apt says that there is no such package [03:29] who's our selinux people? There's so much conflicting info on how to enable SELinux in Ubuntu [03:55] jdong: Join #ubuntu-hardened and I'll point you at them. [03:57] hi [03:58] Hello soc. [03:58] do i need the mount option "journal_async_commit" when mounting ext4 in jaunty [03:58] or is this already enabled by default? === beuno_ is now known as beuno === veloc1ty_ is now known as veloc1ty [05:46] Question [05:46] in Top, what's state D again? [05:47] Non-escapable kernel call or something? [05:47] Pidgin just froze stuck in state D, and when I killed itand brought it back up it went back to it immediately. [05:47] bluefoxicy: uninterruptable [05:47] ok it's working again [05:48] but that's really strange [05:48] but yeah you have the right idea; most of the times that state is when it gets stuck on a syscall [05:48] i.e. disk IO, etc [05:48] *cough* Pulse/Alsa *cough* [05:52] hmm :| [05:52] well I didn't strace it and it's working now [05:52] If I catch something later I'll file it [08:00] is there any difference to compile a project and make a package for ubuntu 8.4 or 8.10 while using the same compiler ? === veloc1ty_ is now known as veloc1ty [10:05] Are there any kind of estimates on how popcon installs figures relate to actual installs? [10:07] det: there are 800.000 submissions, so if we guess a user base of like 10 millions it would be around an 5-10% [10:08] So, you are saying multiply the number of installs in popcon statistics by 10-20 to get the real number ? [10:08] (estimated) [10:10] det: Yes. I'm not sure how accurate the 10 millions are, though [10:12] Thanks. [10:14] I wonder how popcon determines if someone uses a program "regularly". [10:14] I'll check the FAQ [10:15] iirc it checks if it was executed within the last . [10:16] «A computer 'vote' for a package if according to the data provided in the report, a program provided or depending on the package was used less than thirty days ago. This computation is performed by the popcon server. [10:17] » [10:17] (http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ) [10:32] Heh. There’s a b-boy team called Ubuntu in the documentary Planet B-Boy. :-) === _Nicke_ is now known as Nicke [11:20] hi [11:20] I can't find displayconfig-gtk [11:46] Is there any recommendations for an IDE when it comes to development within Ubuntu? [11:47] I've had a look at Anjuta and Eclipse, certain things I like about each of them. [11:47] tombee: there's also kdevelop [11:48] tombee: but most of the ubuntu developers use pure text editors like vim and terminals [11:48] is there any replacement for displayconfig-gtk? [11:50] siekacz: gnome-display-properties [11:50] siekacz: displayconfig-gtk has been obsoleted by changes in X.org [11:51] i need to reconfigure my monitor [11:51] nly 800x600 is available [11:51] xfix doesn't work [11:52] editing xorg is the only way? === siekacz is now known as siekach === siekach is now known as siekacz [11:55] siekacz: better ask in #ubuntu [11:55] RainCT, i know, but i'm banned, don't know why? [11:56] siekacz: ask in #ubuntu-ops [12:35] What do a distro developer do? The kernel and all software is already coded, right? [12:38] LordMetroid: package software, write/apply patches when necessary, etc. [12:38] ok [12:41] LordMetroid: from my point of view, a distro developer a) is a link between his users and the kernel etc developers and b) works on integrating the kernel and all other things so they work fine together [12:41] (but i'm not a distro developer, but a gnome developer) [12:42] Ohh, I see... === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === nhandler1 is now known as nhandler [17:09] How do I figure out why a package wasn't imported from Debian? [17:11] ebroder: What is the package? [17:11] The shibboleth-sp2 shource package [17:13] It looks like Debian has 2.0.dfsg1-4 as well as jaunty [17:13] Oh, hmm. packages.ubuntu.com didn't list it [17:14] ebroder: it's often outdated [17:14] * ebroder nods [17:14] Is there somewhere else I can look for a more updated list? Other than running jaunty [17:15] ebroder: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+search?text= === fta2 is now known as fta_uds [17:16] That doesn't find it [17:18] /usr/bin/madison [17:19] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shibboleth-sp2 [17:19] found it just fine for me. [17:19] rmadison should also work [17:19] Looks like it FTBFS [17:20] oh that's a nasty error :) [17:21] Yeah... [17:26] excuse me, im trying to build my current kernel. i got the sources using apt-get. and i installed all the packages from the community doc Kernel/Compile how ever when i try to build it I get this error.../usr/bin/fakeroot: line 164: debian/rules: No such file or directory [17:26] it looks like the kernel debian subfolder is empty === fta_uds is now known as fta [17:28] is there an ubuntu kernel channel? [17:28] glick: Sure, #ubuntu-kernel [17:28] cool [17:28] thanks === veloc1ty_ is now known as veloc1ty [17:51] hey does anyone know why my kernel debian subfolder is empty? [17:51] when i download the the kernel sources [17:51] Did you just download the .tar.gz file? Or did you get the .diff.gz as well? [17:51] so when i try to run debian/rules i get a file not found [17:52] i got the diff file as well [17:52] And the diff was applied? [17:52] no [17:52] Well...then that's your problem :) [17:53] thast not in the documentation [17:53] What documentation did you read? [17:53] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile [17:53] Did you do apt-get source linux-something? [17:53] (That should apply the diff) [17:54] i did apt-get linux-sources === pgraner is now known as pgraner-afk [17:54] Huh? [17:55] i also did apt-get build-dep linux-source [17:55] which is an error [17:55] Running "apt-get linux-sources" wouldn't do anything [17:55] Because that's not an apt-get command [17:55] Uh...let's backtrack for a moment. What version of Ubuntu are you using? [17:55] apt-get source linux? [17:56] ibex [17:56] jdong: That gives you linux-meta, I think [17:56] the linux-source-`uname -r` distribution does *NOT* include debian/ [17:56] apt-get source linux=version is what works, at least for me. [17:56] ebroder: no, That's linux-meta :) [17:56] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux [17:56] linux is the main Linux source package since hardy. [17:56] whats linux meta? [17:56] On Hardy, `apt-get source linux` gives me the source for linux-meta [17:57] that's the one you want if you want debian/ too [17:57] first, the docs say i need a package called linux-kernel-devel [17:57] when i try to get that it says there is no such package [17:58] ebroder: ack that's because apt-get source picks *binary* package names first :( [17:58] stupid thing. [17:58] grab the version you want from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux then [17:58] linux-meta generates a binary package called linux [17:58] now who's idea was that :) [17:59] jdong: I know - I'm just saying that `apt-get source linux` won't DWYW [18:00] calc: MIR> ah, good; yes, it's MainInclusionReportTemplate [18:00] so what do i need to get to compile the kernel? [18:01] * TheMuso is finding himself not entirely surprised that a lot of people are online this morning. [18:01] glick: Start with `apt-get build-dep linux-image-$(uname -r)` [18:01] TheMuso: Oh? [18:01] that works too. [18:01] StevenK: I thought that a lot of people would be heading out to do things. [18:01] c [18:02] ok thats done ebroder [18:02] Ok. Then I think you want to do `apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)` [18:02] That'll download the source package for the kernel you're running [18:03] ok [18:03] i got a .dsc file a deff file and a tar file [18:03] Yeah, it should unpack everything, too [18:04] into my current folder? [18:04] It should make a folder called linux-2.6.27 [18:04] ...do you have build-essential installed? [18:04] yes ebroder [18:05] glick: ok, just checking. So is there a linux-2.6.27 folder? [18:05] yes ebroder [18:06] glick: So are you just trying to rebuild the kernel you're running? Or are you trying to do something to it? [18:06] ebroder, im trying to get a built tree so i can do some module devel [18:07] glick: Ah, ok. Then just run `AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-FLAVOR`, where flavor is something like generic or server [18:07] ebroder, dont i have to do something with a config file? [18:07] Not if you're not changing the config [18:07] sweet [18:08] lemme give it a shot [18:08] wait why do you need a built tree to do module development? [18:08] thats what my driver book says :) [18:09] c [18:09] * jdong whispers apt-get install linux-headers-generic [18:09] gah typing [18:09] hey TheMuso [18:09] Yo NCommander. Where are you at present? [18:10] jdong, i thought the latest modules link to object files in the kernel tree [18:10] thats why you need a pre-built kernel tree [18:10] TheMuso, trapped in the Rochester deepfreeze [18:10] thanks ebroder its workin :) [18:10] and praying I can make my connector in Washington DC [18:10] If I don't make the connection [18:10] NCommander: Fun. [18:10] I won't get to SF until Tuesday likely [18:10] On that really sucks. When were you supposed to get here? [18:11] glick: no, the headers in linux-headers-generic are all that's necessary to build kernel modules [18:11] you don't need a fully built kernel tree [18:11] just like how with a kernel tree you only need "make modules_prepare" [18:11] TheMuso, tonight, 8PM PST [18:11] hmm [18:12] NCommander: Oh that really sucks. [18:12] NCommander: You let anybody at SF know this? [18:12] * NCommander makes it personal policy not to fly if at all possible [18:12] TheMuso, not yet, the flight is delayed, but not outright canceled (yet) [18:12] NCommander: Right. [18:12] If it leaves at the current delayed time [18:12] I'll JUST make the connection [18:13] NCommander: Well good luck, I hope you can get here today. [18:13] Yeah [18:13] * NCommander is cleanly shaved, and has short hair again [18:14] I've been going all around the ****ing country running errands and dealing with stuff that I just finally got around to doing things like getting my jacket pressed yesterday [18:14] too much information. [18:14] *ducks* [18:14] * NCommander kills jdong [18:14] lol [18:14] * NCommander throws jdong into the Rochester deep-freeze [18:15] !ohmy NCommander :P [18:15] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [18:15] !ohmy! NCommander :P [18:15] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [18:15] -.- [18:15] ahahah [18:16] sebner, I'm censored [18:16] !ohmy | NCommander :P [18:16] NCommander :P: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [18:16] No need to ohmy me [18:16] haha! [18:16] so is shaved or unshaved the new fad? :) [18:16] wow we've derailed this channel [18:16] You'll see when I get to UDS [18:16] too much information for sebner :P [18:16] jdong, it's a talent [18:16] sigh they change this stuff too often :) [18:16] there's no lvcreate -s for shaving, is there.... [18:19] * NCommander torrents remixs from oc remix === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [18:19] By time I make it to the west coast, my music collection should be fully restored [18:23] Wow, impressive, I'm being throttled all the way down to 10kb/s === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [18:42] How do I setup a drag and drop encrypted folder? === wasabi is now known as wasabi_1 [19:03] * calc is in pleasanton, ca for the day [20:32] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/105234/comments/113 [20:32] Launchpad bug 105234 in network-manager "Network manager says disconnected but is connected and working" [Critical,Fix released] [20:37] Keybuk: headhunters must really be desperate... [20:38] * pitti finishes wrestling with ekiga and flushing the SRU queue, and wonders if anyone is up for a walk for an hour or two? [20:41] Keybuk: you should make a linkedin account for that bug and then try to link up with all the networkmanager developers [21:31] hey TheMuso [21:36] NCommander: hey again. [21:36] TheMuso, now communicating from Washington DC [21:37] NCommander: Is that a good thing? [21:37] One connection down [21:37] TERRORIST! [21:37] I'm sitting next to the fight to San Franscisco [21:37] HE IS IN IRC AT AN AIRPORT [21:37] I'm using IRC over a wireless modem at an airport at the nations capital [21:38] The FCC should be descending from avoid and shooting my laptop any moment [21:38] lol [21:38] * NCommander wonders if gmail will load anytime soon [21:44] NCommander: Where airport? [21:44] Where/Which [21:44] ScottK-laptop, Washington DC/Dulles [21:45] NCommander: You're about an hour drive from my house then. [21:45] Well, between one hour and two days depending on the traffic. [21:45] lol [21:45] rofl [21:45] ScottK-laptop, If you want to meet in real life, lets do it after I return from UDS, Maryland is only a three-four hour drive, and I don't mind doing it [21:46] Sure thing. [21:47] It's nice tobe out the deep freeze [21:47] My laptop actually running above 70F since I'm someplace with heat :-) [21:48] NCommander: I thought you were in NY somewhere? [21:48] Normally, I mean. [21:48] Rochester, NY [21:48] But I have family in NYC [21:48] And I don't have a huge problem driving across this country [21:48] :-) [21:49] I think that's more than 3-4 hours, but ... [21:49] from NYC? [21:49] (from Rochester, its more in the ballpark of seven or eight) [21:50] * NCommander books the supershuttle from SFO to the hotel [21:57] Maybe 4 from NYC, depending on where. [22:11] so.. is there a special uds channel yet? [22:18] Treenaks: #ubuntu-devel-summit [22:26] kernel Ubuntu-2.7.27-4.7 in ubuntu's git ? a mistake or is a beta ? [22:31] sounds like a typo to me? [22:35] ok [22:35] I experience a kernel bug with the latest one then: Ubuntu-2.6.27-9.19 [22:38] but it doesn't happen with kernel v2.6.27.8 [22:38] sorry that doesnt belong here [23:42] tjaalton: I've stumbled across your xorg-jaunty blueprint, with the 'status of nouveau' question. Nouveau is now buildable and useable on Jaunty's standard libdrm, and I've got a dkms'd build of the kernel modules in my PPA. [23:42] RAOF, is it generally usable, though? [23:43] directhex: Absolutely. [23:43] directhex: Moreso than nv on my hardware. [23:43] RAOF, does more than glxgears yet? [23:43] Yes. But the interesting features aren't 3d, at least yet. [23:44] We wouldn't be shipping the 3d component. [23:44] Interesting features are excellent 2d acceleration, dual head support, etc. [23:44] which are interesting features, then? [23:45] The aggressively-unsupported 3d (still) runs OpenArena at good framerates on my lappy, but many other apps either hit slow paths or don't work properly. [23:47] the problem with openarena as a benchmark is it's a 9 year old engine [23:47] Right. The 3d isn't ready to be used yet. [23:49] * directhex is mostly waiting for 4000-series intel support to improve enough that he can run a game on his laptop without X falling over dead [23:49] ha you're joking. [23:49] I'm still waiting for my 900-series Intel to work. [23:50] what's red and blue and red and blue and green and blocky all over? [23:50] xserver-xorg-video-intel trying to wake from suspend while playing xvideo with compiz on. [23:50] :P [23:50] Hah. Suspend! Surely you jest? [23:51] it's amazing that some laptop users might actually want suspend support :) [23:51] jdong, nothing changes. i remember the good ol' days of ati rage on windows - one driver would cause lockups within 12 seconds of boot, t'other would, on fullscreen 3d apps, only draw half the screen, in purple [23:51] fast-user switching not having 3D accelerated 2nd users is also a bit mean :) [23:51] I guess it's a fight for who gets to log in first and have 3D :) [23:51] Hi! I reported the SRU here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libshout/+bug/304843 and it has been pushed to intrepid-proposed. If someone else can run the test case and verify its correctness, we should be good to go after waiting a week for regressions. Please leave a comment on the bug if you perform the test steps. :) [23:51] Launchpad bug 304843 in libshout "SRU Request: libshout3 in intrepid" [Undecided,Fix committed]