[01:09] <Riddell> ScottK: accepted
[01:19]  * Riddell goes to hotel gym
[01:24] <Hobbsee> there si a gym?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> where?
[01:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[02:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: on the way to the pool
[06:39]  * seele yawns
[06:39] <seele> i dont care what the local time is
[06:39] <seele> i'm going to bed
[06:40] <NCommander> seele, you here at UDS?
[06:53] <Riddell> NCommander: she is, you missed her :)
[06:59] <manchicken> Riddell: Howdy.
[06:59] <Riddell> evening manchicken
[07:00] <manchicken> Been a while since we've come across one another.
[07:06] <Riddell> manchicken: are you secretly at UDS?
[07:06] <manchicken> That would be fun, no?
[07:06] <manchicken> But unfortunately not.
[07:06] <Riddell> just checking
[07:06] <manchicken> I don't even know where UDS is this time... that's how sorely out of the loop I am.
[07:07] <Riddell> chez google
[07:07]  * Riddell sleeps
[07:07] <manchicken> Mountainview?
[07:08] <Riddell> yes
[07:08] <manchicken> Ah.
[07:08] <manchicken> I'll be in California next week though.
[07:08] <manchicken> South of MV though.
[07:09] <Riddell> me too
[07:09] <manchicken> Where will you be next week?
[07:10] <Riddell> dunno, wherever my bike takes me
[07:10] <manchicken> I'm going to be in Westlake Village, CA, a suburb of LA.
[07:10] <manchicken> Work is sending flying me to our home office.
[07:10] <Riddell> probably a bit too south to cycle to
[07:10] <manchicken> Heh, I would tend to agree.
[07:16] <manchicken> Riddell: If there's a time at which you'll be around to answer me (I know it's getting late in CA), I'd love to ask you the awkward question of what needs doing with the project.
[07:17] <manchicken> I don't have oodles of time, but I will have some time.
[07:25] <NCommander> ScottK, you floating around
[11:36] <ScottK> NCommander: Am now.
[13:43] <ScottK-laptop> So I'm looking for the spec about "Let's make our translations at least not worse than upstreams" and I'm not finding it.
[13:45] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Please note you need to change your "selective-backport-support" spec to "discussion".
[14:18] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, that was an LP bug :-)
[14:19] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: OK.
[14:19] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, anyway, I have python-qt4 for you
[14:20] <NCommander> But there is a slight ... snag
[14:20]  * ScottK-laptop cringes.
[16:03] <freeflying> any special reason for disable build msn protocol in kopete?
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> yes: http://www.kubuntu.org/node/58
[16:05] <freeflying> JontheEchidna: thanks
[16:10] <freeflying> JontheEchidna: is there anyone working on libmsn?
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's being mentored in debian
[16:11] <JontheEchidna> once it gets uploaded we can sync it and then get a main inclusion request in for it
[16:17] <ScottK-laptop> Would someone who's @UDS please get us some infos on how to listen in?  Riddell, seele, NCommander ....
[17:03] <Riddell> hi ScottK-laptop, apparantly it'll all be videoed, not sure how to listen in currently but presumably it'll have SIP addresses you can connect to
[17:03] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I'll take a vido feed too ...
[17:04] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: There are a number of people asking on different channels and there is no info.
[17:13] <lool> NCommander: Dunno when you pinged me but I was like afk the whole of yesterday
[17:13] <NCommander> lool, don't worry, we followed up in real life :-)
[17:16]  * smarter waves
[17:16] <NCommander> smarter, you floating here at the Googleplex?
[17:17] <DaSkreech> On the Mooon?
[17:17] <smarter> for the UDS? I wish I could
[17:17] <smarter> but unfortunately I can't miss school
[17:18] <NCommander> smarter, next year
[17:18] <smarter> probably, if it's during the holiday :)
[17:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: cprov of soyuz was asking if there's anything that can be changed in PPAs to make them better for neon
[18:18] <seele> *cough*kde4*cough*
[18:19]  * DaSkreech gives seele 2 kks of koff medikine
[18:51] <FireRabbit>  hey nixternal has there been any changes with the kde bindings package?
[18:51] <ScottK-laptop> FireRabbit: Since when?  We got the mono packages done.
[18:52] <FireRabbit> oh? awesome
[18:52] <FireRabbit> lemme take a look
[18:53] <jjesse> trying to install kjots from the ppa and it is trying to  /usr/share/icons/oxygen/scalableactions/editpdelete-page.svgz
[18:53] <jjesse> and fails
[18:57] <FireRabbit> ScottK-laptop: will this build on intrepid? could the kubuntu-experimental ppa be updated?
[18:58] <ScottK-laptop> FireRabbit: We'd need mono 2.0 first.
[18:58] <FireRabbit> ah.. I do have that in my PPA. I'll try building the kdebindings package there.
[19:00] <ScottK-laptop> FireRabbit: You'll also have to build against the kubuntu experimental ppa too.
[19:00] <FireRabbit> nod. i've got that as a ppa dependency
[19:06] <DaSkreech> We use mono?
[19:06] <ScottK-laptop> DaSkreech: We have KDE bindings for it.
[19:06] <ScottK-laptop> We don't have any core packages that use it.
[19:07] <DaSkreech> ah ok
[19:09] <ScottK-laptop> Anyone @ UDS going to the session on cooperation between flavors at the next block.
[19:19] <DaSkreech> edubuntu-desktop-kde ftw
[20:02] <steveire> jjesse: Hey, I don't see edit-delete-page in the kdepim/kmail/icons directory. Any idea where it comes from? Might kubuntu have added it?
[20:03] <jjesse> steveire: i have no idea
[20:03] <jjesse> someone able to a swer above query?
[20:03] <steveire> Hmm, ok. Did you get my email about korganizer for blogging?
[20:04] <jjesse> steveire: yes i did tyring it out for uds this time
[20:04] <steveire> I haven't tried it myself yet
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> steveire: It's probably in the old version of package. We just need the new the new kjots package to conflict older versions of kmail
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> totally a bug on our part, and very easy to fix too
[20:04] <steveire> OK cool. Thanks JontheEchidna
[20:05] <Riddell> steveire: kdepim-4.1.2/kjots/icons/ox16-actions-edit-delete-page.png
[20:05]  * JontheEchidna brbs
[20:05] <jjesse> thanks jon for figuring that out
[20:05] <steveire> Riddell: Yep, but on the ml, there was apt output saying it was also in the kmail package
[20:06] <jjesse> Riddell: that was the error i got today trying to install kjots
[20:06] <steveire> Riddell: Did you cycle everywhere on that trip through Europe you blogged about? Or take the bike on the train or anything?
[20:07] <Riddell> hmm, you're right
[20:08] <jjesse> Riddell: i
[20:08] <Riddell> steveire: it's fixed in jaunty
[20:08] <jjesse> Riddell:  im in the server team room let me know when we talk kubuntu :)
[20:15] <smarter> Riddell: you're referring to the fix I pushed to bzr some hours ago?
[20:15] <cbr> will you package beta2 asap? or for the release date or smth?
[20:16] <Riddell> smarter: I am?
[20:16] <smarter> cbr: KDE don't want distros to release packages before the version is officialy available
[20:17] <smarter> Riddell: well, I fixed the kjots bug here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu/revision/3
[20:17] <smarter> I was wondering if you were speaking of that or if somehow someone managed to fix it and upload it before me :]
[20:18] <Riddell> just grepped the jaunty packaging
[20:18] <jjesse> is that fix making it to the ppa for intrepid then?
[20:19] <Riddell> smarter: why is it in libkdepim4? is it needed by both apps?
[20:19] <smarter> jjesse: as soon as it is actually built and therefore can be tested
[20:19] <smarter> Riddell: yes
[20:19] <smarter> well, I assume so
[20:19] <smarter> if not, then why is it in kmail to begin with?
[20:20] <Riddell> is it in kmail?
[20:20] <smarter> I mean, in kmail.install
[20:20]  * smarter grep kmail sources to see if it's actually used
[20:21] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be
[20:21] <smarter> oh, then I'll make another revision
[20:22] <smarter> but you said it was already fixed in jaunty, are you sure?
[20:22] <Riddell> I looked at 4.1.73 and say it was in kjots
[20:24] <smarter> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/82628/
[20:24] <smarter> looks like someone messed a .install upgrade :}
[20:25] <smarter> (4.1.80-0ubuntu2)
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> ScottK-laptop: I found this: http://icecast.ubuntu.com/
[20:25] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Yeah.  That's it, but it's so faint on mylaptop I can barely hear it.
[20:25]  * JontheEchidna had to pump it to 11
[20:26]  * smarter prepares proper fix for bzr branch
[20:26] <Riddell> there's just one microphone (on the camera) in the corner of the room
[20:27] <seele> Riddell: tell ken, he might be able to adjust the input
[20:32] <smarter> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu/revision/4 actual fix :)
[20:38]  * JontheEchidna is listening to the desktop bug session
[20:41] <seele> jjesse: ping
[20:41] <jjesse> seele: pong
[20:41] <seele> oh oh nevermind
[20:41] <seele> i thought we were crew on thursday and there are two kubuntu sessions
[20:41] <seele> and we're on wednesday when not much is going on
[20:41] <jjesse> oh, when are we crew
[20:41] <jjesse> btw did we meet already?
[20:41] <seele> wednesday i guess
[20:41] <seele> i dunno.. where are you?
[20:42] <jjesse> in server right now
[20:42] <seele> did you sit with Riddell and nixternal and rgreening during the intro?
[20:42] <steveire> Is some meeting on at the moment?
[20:42] <jjesse> yes i was right next to him on his right
[20:42] <Riddell> he was on my left
[20:42] <jjesse> the other side of rich
[20:42] <steveire> fosscamp or something?
[20:42] <jjesse> oh yeah left
[20:43] <jjesse> steveire:  ubuntu developer summit in mountain view
[20:43] <seele> Riddell: there was an empty seat on your left
[20:43] <steveire> Ah, right.
[20:43] <nixternal> jeesh, don't even know your left from your right :)
[20:43] <Riddell> seele: it wasn't empty, it was reserved for my smoothie
[20:43] <jjesse> my right
[20:43] <seele> Riddell: jjesse is a smoothie?
[20:43] <jjesse> yes i am a blueberry smoothier
[20:43] <nixternal> a smoothie he thought I sat on :)
[20:43] <Riddell> jjesse was on the left of the smoothie
[20:44] <seele> oooh
[20:44] <seele> hmm..
[20:44] <seele> wait.. tonio got you coffee?
[20:45] <jjesse> no tonio didnt get me coffee
[20:46] <seele> ok, then i dont think we met
[20:46] <seele> heh
[20:47] <Riddell> I'm still unconvinced NCommander is really here
[20:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: he is, he is...
[20:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: poke him in the ribs
[20:48] <Riddell> I can't until I know who he is
[20:49] <jjesse> i think NCommander was in the last session i was in?
[20:50] <NCommander> jjesse, I'm with mobile
[20:50] <NCommander> Riddell, care to eat launch?
[20:50] <NCommander> Hobbsee, shoosh
[20:51] <Hobbsee> NCommander: <evil grin>
[20:53] <NCommander> Hobbsee, I will get revenge for that
[20:53] <Hobbsee> :P
[20:54]  * ScottK-laptop advises NCommander to avoid trying to out revenge Hobbsee.
[20:54] <Riddell> NCommander: you'd need to find me first :)
[20:54] <NCommander> Riddell, I saw you when I arrived last night!
[20:54] <Riddell> did I see you?
[20:54] <NCommander> Yes, you talked to me and introduced yourself
[20:54] <NCommander> I was wearing a red dress shirt, and a black jacket
[20:55]  * seele read that as "I was wearing a red dress"
[20:55] <jjesse> so did i
[20:55] <seele> too much matrix
[20:55] <Riddell> I met a lot of people last night, I'm not sure I met anyone in a red shirt
[20:55]  * NCommander rewrites the matrix to remove seele's memories of it
[20:56] <DaSkreech> Were you looking at the NCommander in the red dress?
[20:56]  * ScottK-laptop looks for needles for his eyes.
[20:56] <DaSkreech> A cat like it or the same cat?
[20:56] <NCommander> ScottK, I perfer acid
[20:56] <ScottK-laptop> Needles are traditional.
[20:59] <ScottK-laptop> Looking at the enabling third party repos discussion we'll definitely need a KDE apturl for Juanty.
[21:00] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: ^^
[21:00]  * ScottK-laptop runs off to shuffle kids around ....
[21:01] <seele> food?
[21:02] <ScottK-laptop> No, we don't eat the kids.  They frown on that.
[21:02]  * ryanakca grins and wishes he was in MV
[21:03] <ryanakca> Does each item get it's seperate IRC channel (since they aren't using SIP this year)?
[21:04] <seele> ryanakca: yes, althought it seems like some of the rooms don't have IRC channels (yet?)
[21:04] <ryanakca> seele: *nod*
[21:04]  * ryanakca wishes they had SIP...
[21:15] <DaSkreech> hunger: Hi
[21:23] <hunger> DaSkreech: ho.
[21:23] <DaSkreech> hunger: how goes?
[21:23] <hunger> DaSkreech: Not too well. I'm sick.
[21:24] <DaSkreech> Oh Sorry to hear
[21:24] <DaSkreech> what with?
[21:30] <hunger> DaSkreech: Nothing mayor, just a common cold. Just a bit harder than usual.
[21:30] <DaSkreech> I had an uncommon cold once
[21:30] <DaSkreech>  was horible
[21:30] <DaSkreech> :)
[21:31] <hunger> Well, the common one can be nasty enough:-)
[21:32] <DaSkreech> Yeah Esp in winter
[21:37] <EagleScreen> I think that there is no way to change the font size of some KDE applications in Kubuntu 8.10, for instance: Adept, gdebi-kde..
[21:37] <smarter> EagleScreen: that's because they're run by root
[21:37] <smarter> which has it's own parameters
[21:37] <smarter> so you have to launch systemsettings as root(using kdesudo systemsettings) if you want to change parameters used by these apps
[21:38] <EagleScreen> smarter surely you have reason, thanks
[21:38] <smarter> thought it's workaround, real solution involves policykit and at least 1 more year of development I'd say :p
[21:38] <smarter> EagleScreen: you're welcome
[21:39] <smarter> 'night people
[21:39] <EagleScreen> i think OpenSuse 11.1 will use Policykit for KDE 4.1
[21:40] <EagleScreen> it is releases 18th december
[22:13] <yuriy> hmm uds is on for a day now isn't it? is there a schedule up?
[22:15]  * ScottK-laptop hands yuriy http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/
[22:16] <yuriy> thanks ScottK-laptop
[22:20] <FireRabbit> ScottK-laptop: hey, this is wrong: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebindings/ubuntu/annotate/7?file_id=qyoto.pc-20081202130636-qf2gdt7wssmot037-52
[22:22] <ScottK-laptop> FireRabbit: OK, what should it be (and chat with directhex about it, because I think he did that)?
[22:23] <FireRabbit> ah okay. it should be "kdebindings-4.4" instead of "qyoto-4.3" in the libs path. this should move upstream though.
[22:23] <ScottK-laptop> Why?  qyoto is the binary package name (IIRC)
[22:24] <FireRabbit> qt-dotnet.dll is installed into /usr/lib/cli/kdebindings-4.4/
[22:25] <ScottK-laptop> Oh.
[22:30] <Ch1ppy> Does anyone know what is happening with kopete and msn in the 4.2 beta? When can we expect libmsn to be added and such?
[22:30] <ScottK-laptop> Ch1ppy: Yes we know.  If you want everything to work, don't run a beta.
[22:31] <Ch1ppy> ScottK-laptop: Er, not what I was asking. I know it doesn't work, I'm asking when it will :)
[22:32] <ScottK-laptop> Ch1ppy: I'm telling you if you want it to work, go back to 4.1.
[22:32] <Ch1ppy> ScottK-laptop: I'm on 4.1. I'm waiting for this so I can check out 4.2. So I'm wondering when that will be.
[22:33] <ScottK-laptop> Ch1ppy: It's hard to tell exactly.  Sorry if I seem short, but you are about that bazillionth person to show up and ask.
[22:34] <Ch1ppy> ScottK-laptop: No worries, I know how it is. Will it be in a week or so? Before the end of the month? I'm just wondering about a ballpark.
[22:34] <ScottK-laptop> Not in a week or so.  Hard to tell.
[22:36] <Ch1ppy> ScottK-laptop: Alright, thanks. Will it be announced on kubuntu.org, or will the 4.2 beta article just be updated?
[22:37] <ScottK-laptop> I'd expect it'll get a mention in the next relevant post, but I'm not the one that'll write it, so who knows.
[22:37] <Ch1ppy> ScottK-laptop: Alright. Thanks for the help :)
[22:38] <cbr> libmsn is in Debian's NEW queue at the moment
[22:39] <cbr> has been for 6 days
[22:39] <DaSkreech> Debian has something going on?
[22:39] <cbr> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[22:39] <cbr> see for yourself
[22:42] <Ch1ppy> cbr: That's just the amd64 version isn't it?
[22:43] <cbr> well, other stuff usually gets built automagically by the buildd's with a small delay iirc
[22:43] <cbr> but dunno
[23:01] <FireRabbit> ScottK-laptop: did you guys see that debian has kdebindings 4.2 packages as well?
[23:01] <ScottK-laptop> FireRabbit: Yes.  Riddell did ours first, so there are some differences.  We need to sort those out.  Probably after NCommander gets off his backside and fixes armel.
[23:02] <FireRabbit> okay.
[23:46] <Riddell> seele: is it socially acceptable to share nail clippers?  (and if so do you have any I can borrow?)
[23:48] <seele> Riddell: since we're close friends and all i think it would be ok.. not nearly as intimate as a toothbrush :P
[23:49] <seele> Riddell: but unfortunately i dont have any clippers.  i do have a nail file if that will help?
[23:49] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: They may have them to give you at the hotel.
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> gap-analysis session in ~20 minutes?
[23:52] <jjesse> what room is that one in?
[23:54] <Riddell> anseris mons, our sessions are on Mars
[23:54]  * JontheEchidna has the desktop live stream queued up
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> they're talking about boring networking stuff right now
[23:54] <Riddell> I realise the camera is pointing straight at me, the video from this session is going to be really boring
[23:55] <jjesse> what building is anseris mons?
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> there is a video feed?
[23:56] <jjesse> the sessions are being recorded and will show up later
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> oh, nice
[23:56] <jjesse> what building are you in Riddell?
[23:57] <Riddell> the other side of the building we had lunch in
[23:58] <jjesse> ok gotta go find it
[23:58] <jpds> Riddell: I wonder if the camera is even on.