[00:17] <MAXIMUM> hey guys
[00:18] <MAXIMUM> any one here uses ubuntu 9.04 alpha can reprot any niticible performance gain
[01:33] <DanaG> I had to go back to Intrepid; I couldn't deal with the hanging in fglrx or radeon, or the slowness in radeonhd.
[01:34] <crimsun> not surprising.  there will be more breakage soon.
[01:35] <RAOF> crimsun: Anything in particular, or just the unbottling after UDS?
[01:38] <crimsun> RAOF: liable to be some sound breakage, but it won't affect people who don't deviate from from default Ubuntu config.  Definitely the latter, though.
[01:40] <DanaG> I also have failure to boot with acpi enabled.
[01:41] <RAOF> DanaG: Everyone's favourite kernel bug.
[01:41] <DanaG> But handily, I can use AMT Serial-Over-LAN to get messages... even in the case of a panic!
[01:42] <WelshDragon> Bring on the breakage \o/...as long as it's not libc
[01:44] <crimsun> ok, want some initramfs breakage?  how about pam?
[01:44] <DanaG> Naah, I'd rather use butter.
[01:44] <DanaG> =þ
[01:44] <WelshDragon> Well i very rarely reboot, even when it asks be do...So i could probably live with that =D
[01:44] <WelshDragon> (what's initramfs?) =P
[01:47] <crimsun> ok, how about upstart, bash, ar, tar, gzip, dpkg, and e2fsprogs, then?
[01:47] <DanaG> Was the breakage of fglrx based on kernel, or based on xorg?
[01:47] <WelshDragon> that could be slightly annoying crimsun =(
[01:47] <DanaG> I'm wondering if I would be able to use the Jaunty kernel on Intrepid, for the spiffy accelerometer driver.
[01:48] <crimsun> WelshDragon: nothing that can't be worked around using a live cd
[01:48] <crimsun> DanaG: you can, normally
[01:49] <WelshDragon> crimsun, indeed, but still very annoying for my only machine =P (shhh on the shouldn't be using it) =D
[01:49] <WelshDragon> I trust the devs not to break anything vital...
[01:50] <crimsun> hmm?  oh no, I encourage others to use it.  just be aware.
[01:50] <crimsun> we definitely need more testers earlier.
[01:50] <crimsun> yeah, the caveat is to use it in a throw-away, e.g., vm or secondary machine
[01:50] <DanaG> I'm leaving my Jaunty 32-bit install on my old drive, so I can still USB boot it to test.
[01:51] <DanaG> I've just installed a new Intrepid 6-bit on the new hard drive.
[01:51] <WelshDragon> Well i don't really do much 'testing'...I just like to have the very latest =)
[01:51] <WelshDragon> oh btw, the 2.6.29 kernel in jaunty...That'd be an impossibility right?
[01:52] <DanaG> oh yeah, the mute key on this laptop is odd... it does hardware mute of internal speakers, AND software hotkey through wmi.
[01:52] <DanaG> That's actually a pretty good design (the doing it in hardware, not the going over wmi) -- it means that no matter where I am, I can ALWAYS be able to mute.
[01:53] <WelshDragon> DanaG, What if you wanted to hear the beep though? but mute the speakers =\
[01:53] <crimsun> WelshDragon: impossible?  no.  scheduling is tricky.
[01:54] <DanaG> Oh yeah, you know of any kernel developers who would have a use for a cardbus Audigy2?  I can no longer use mine, due to lack of cardbus slot.  I'm thinking it'd be nice to just randomly give it to some kernel developer, or something, who could make good use of it.
[01:54] <WelshDragon> crimsun, Oh right kk, Just curious cause i heard the suspend issues should be fixed in that kernel? not sure if that's right or not ^^
[01:54] <crimsun> DanaG: well, what do you mean make good use of it?  improve the driver?
[01:54] <crimsun> (otherwise I'd freecycle or CL it)
[01:54] <DanaG> That's one fitting answer.
[01:55] <DanaG> The only thing is, the plastic on mine has completely cracked to pieces.  It still works, but it has the sticking-out PCB bare.
[01:56] <WelshDragon> lol DanaG how'd that happen?
[01:56] <DanaG> They used quite brittle plastic -- just having it in my laptop bag (not in the laptop) while carrying it was enough.
[01:56] <WelshDragon> ahh
[02:06] <DanaG> AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: unable to handle keycode 465
[03:00] <DanaG> Argh, fglrx is broken on Intrepid, too, for me.
[03:00] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f76ab2895
[03:00] <DanaG> Hooray for Serial-Over-LAN!
[03:15] <linuxman410> has anyone else tried ubuntu 9.04 beta yet
[03:16] <bazhang> its still an early alpha..
[03:16] <bazhang> check the /topic here
[03:17] <linuxman410> i am running it now it runs pretty good
[03:17] <linuxman410> ok thanks
[03:17] <bazhang> dont expect support for a while :)
[09:51] <bavarianboobs> hello there
[18:24] <DasEi> as I'm just doing another install, I wonder if there shouldn't be a choice of what soft to install (like former suse) at first time, often I only need only certain fetures and then have to apt-remove them quite nery manually
[18:24] <DasEi> *nervy
[18:44] <Jaffarkelshac> !wireless
[19:08] <Xsss4hell> hi
[19:08] <Xsss4hell> you rock!
[19:08] <Xsss4hell> jaunty runs stable altough alpha :) hope it stays so!
[19:09] <Xsss4hell> I installed apache,ssh,git.cvs.svn,bzr,ldap,php and MANY MANY more.. around 3GB applications in one big heap
[19:10] <Xsss4hell> my fav apps.. and it worked fine
[19:11] <Xsss4hell> What you could do is integrating an Optimized Font configuration, which is missing in every distro without exception.
[19:12] <Xsss4hell> sharped cleared antialiased fonts
[19:12] <Xsss4hell> Jaunty is significantly faster than Intrepid
[19:15] <Xsss4hell> I think, what you will have to do now or later is verifiying dependancies of applications removing unnecceary libraries files folders and code.
[19:15] <ikonia> wait until you get differentn kernel/libc before making that judgment
[19:16] <Xsss4hell> ikonia: Linux SGC-Abydoss 2.6.28-2-generic #3-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 4 21:49:06 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:16] <ikonia> I don't think they will run with .28
[19:17] <Xsss4hell> ikonia: what won't run with .28?
[19:17] <ikonia> I mean I don't think .28 is the final kernel
[19:17] <ikonia> as in jaunty won't "run" as in go along with .28 as the final release
[19:17] <ikonia> I'd  expect .29 in a few weeks
[19:17] <ikonia> (only my opinion
[19:19] <Xsss4hell> ikonia: ah, yeah of course I'm sure it isn't the final. The Kernel dev's are working very hard, on it. They work on the next version of the kernel just after releasing the stable
[19:19] <calc> ikonia: i'm pretty sure they are sticking with .28
[19:20] <calc> .28 isn't even released yet according to kernel.org anyway, just .28-rc7
[19:20] <Xsss4hell> ah.. it depends on the freeze man :P
[19:20] <Xsss4hell> if he freezes it it freezes :P
[19:20] <Xsss4hell> hihi
[19:20] <calc> Xsss4hell: well i'm just going by what i heard the actual Ubuntu guys say in person at FOSSCamp
[19:21]  * calc just does OOo himself, not a kernel guy
[19:21] <Xsss4hell> cool
[19:22] <calc> just like we will only have OOo 3.0.1 in Jaunty
[19:22] <calc> well that is also partially caused by the fact upstream won't likely actually release 3.1 until after Jaunty anyway, heh
[19:30] <Xsss4hell> calc I hope you won't have OOo 3.x in jaunty, it is very unstable. I've worked over two weeks with it.
[19:30] <Xsss4hell> crashy thing
[19:31] <calc> Xsss4hell: 3.0.1 should be better and we have lots of go-oo patches on it so its better than Sun's version in any case
[19:32]  * calc bbiab
[19:32] <Xsss4hell> I'm not sure dude.
[19:32] <Xsss4hell> even Office 2007 running in codeweavers was more stable.
[19:33] <Xsss4hell> had the recent version of it directly from openoffice.org
[19:39] <calc> back
[19:39] <calc> oh i have no doubt standard OOo 3 is buggy as hell, they keep pushing back the release of 3.0.1 due to finding more serious bugs
[19:39] <calc> they release a new version like 3.0.0 whenever they don't find any release critical bugs for about a week (afaict)
[19:43] <Xsss4hell> I wished they released OOo 3.x as OOo 2.5.x and planned a totally new gui superior to office2007's rubber
[19:43] <Xsss4hell> for versoin 3
[21:25] <DanaG> Went to Jaunty 64-bit.
[21:26] <DanaG> Well, fglrx is still broken, and I still can't figure out exactly why.... but at least the radeon driver works.  I can live with that.
[21:28] <DanaG> !find gnomeapplet
[21:35] <rohdef> break my system in bad ways :D sounds promising. Ok now for my actual questions
[21:36] <rohdef> is there any alpha releases?
[21:36] <rohdef> any details available on what features I can hope to look forward to? (did I make it clear enough that I don't expect anything to be final?)
[21:39] <WelshDragon> rohdef, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule <--- Click Alpha 1 for the download link. As for features....nothing worth mentioning atm
[21:39] <rohdef> WelshDragon, not even OOo 3?
[21:40] <DanaG> http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd
[21:40] <DanaG> Odd... says "3D acceleration is only implemented on R5xx and RS6xx upto now. Also no XVideo on newer chips (needs 3D engine for scaling). Still, fullscreen video is working fluently with shadowfb for many users."
[21:41] <DanaG> Oh, r_S_, not r_V_,
[21:41] <DanaG> aah.
[21:41] <WelshDragon> rohdef, There's a dependency wait for OOo 3 atm, so no :)
[21:42] <rohdef> WelshDragon, oh :( well hopefully it'll be in place soon
[21:42]  * WelshDragon is rather puzzled by DanaG 
[21:42] <WelshDragon> rohdef, hopefully =)
[21:42] <DanaG> Sorry, I'm just sort of venting randomly, but at least not in a ranting tone.
[21:43] <rohdef> WelshDragon, is there some way to become a more "pro" tester than just trying and repoting errors?
[21:43] <WelshDragon> rohdef, once the UDS is over there should be a "surge" of new features and breakages =)
[21:43] <WelshDragon> rohdef, No idea...I'm not a tester.
[21:43] <WelshDragon> I'm not anything =P
[21:44] <WelshDragon> hehe DanaG =)
[21:44] <DanaG> I wonder what practical difference there is between radeon and radeonhd.
[21:45] <rohdef> WelshDragon, ah ok :) since I don't like the idea of using backport modules, and like trying new things, and aren't afraid of messing with stuff I'm considering trying the alpha in an VM and if it works well enough... well breaks my system bad sound like fun :p
[21:47] <rohdef> WelshDragon, I'm searching for UDS, but I can't find what it is :S
[21:48] <WelshDragon> rohdef, Ubuntu Developers Summit
[21:48] <rohdef> ah ok :)
[21:57] <WelshDragon> Anyone having a problem of a few applications seg faulting?
[22:12] <milos__> WelshDragon, what applications?
[22:12] <WelshDragon> milos__, pidgin, rhythmbox, banshee, lastfm
[22:14] <WelshDragon> milos__, basically everything which plays sound...except flash in firefox =\
[22:14] <linuxman410> when i enable desktop effects system is flaky i have geforce 4 440 has any else ever had this problem
[22:15] <milos__> WelshDragon, nope, everything works fine here
[22:17] <linuxman410> have two geforce 4 cards  they both do same thing screen goes white o cert ain parts other than that it works fine
[22:17] <ikonia> calc: what makes you lean towards sticking with .28 ?
[22:55] <calc> ikonia: i'm not a kernel dev but from what i heard they are sticking with .28
[22:56] <calc> ikonia: they are still having meetings here at UDS for the rest of the week so the decision might change, but so far it looks like .28 may be the jaunty kernel