[00:06] <RAOF> TheMuso: I see that I forgot Ubuntu constraints in my lib32asound2-plugins work.  ia32-libs is in main, so alsa-plugins can't build against it, so lib32asound2-plugins doesn't get a pulseaudio plugin.  Which was my original goal!  Urgh.
[00:07] <allquixotic> RAOF: use getlibs
[00:08] <RAOF> allquixotic: That's not /exactly/ what I was after :)
[00:08] <allquixotic> ah, you want to push some kind of update to the real packages so that the pulse plugin is provided in the actual distribution on x86_64?
[00:08] <allquixotic> for x86?
[00:09] <RAOF> Yes.
[00:09] <allquixotic> that's a great idea, that problem has plagued me before, along with my friends
[00:09] <allquixotic> especially with wine...
[00:09] <allquixotic> I solved it with getlibs but it'd be great to have that in Jaunty
[00:09] <RAOF> This works in Debian, because ia32-libs is in main, and they don't have a main/universe separation.
[00:09] <jdong> why don't we have a magical multilibs system like fedora/yum yet?
[00:09] <allquixotic> it'd be great to have it in Intrepid too but...
[00:09] <allquixotic> chances are slim for new feature
[00:10] <RAOF> allquixotic: I believe ia32-libs in intrepid contains the pulseaudio asound plugin, actually.
[00:10] <allquixotic> does it?
[00:10] <jdong> pulse asound works on my skype on amd64.
[00:10] <RAOF> jdong: Because dpkg doesn't allow you to install the same package twice :)
[00:10] <jdong> I haven't added any more 32-bit libs.
[00:10] <jdong> RAOF: and why don't we fix that? :)
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[00:11] <RAOF> That'd be cool.  The Debian multiarch proposal /looked/ pretty nice :)
[00:11] <jdong> yeah and it seems like Fedora's hacked up something fairly fucntional with yum
[00:11]  * allquixotic passes the buck to Debian to fix their dpkg utility. Although if we have sort of affinity for the Debuntu movement, then we are just as likely to do that as Debian
[00:11] <jdong> most of their libs are installable in .i386 flavors
[00:12] <directhex> RAOF, i'm sure i remember speaking to someone about multiarch years ago
[00:12] <directhex> RAOF, it might've been Mithrandir
[00:12] <RAOF> Yeah.  It's been simmering for quite some time.
[00:12] <directhex> jdong, there's one little problem with the .i386 thing
[00:13] <RAOF> It might have boiled dry at this point, though.
[00:13] <directhex> jdong, one which makes sysadmins shout & scream
[00:13] <allquixotic> yep, my laptop runs Fedora 10 because of # yum install alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i386
[00:13] <allquixotic> (among other things, too)
[00:54] <crimsun> dpkg -L ia32-libs|grep pulse
[00:54] <crimsun> err, sorry
[00:57] <RAOF> crimsun: Yeah, they're there.
[01:01] <TheMuso> RAOF: Did my upload fix the issue BTW?
[01:01] <RAOF> TheMuso: Well, it'll now prevent people from installing lib32asound2-plugins, which is fine.
[01:02] <RAOF> Because all those plugins (and more) are in ia32-libs anyway.
[01:02] <TheMuso> RAOF: Yeah.
[01:04] <RAOF> Oh, while you're here... :)
[01:05] <RAOF> You seem to be our dmraid maintainer.  Any comments on what I think is the obviously-correct patch on bug #306114 ?
[01:06]  * TheMuso looks.
[01:07] <TheMuso> RAOF: Don't tell me you use that pile o crap?
[01:08] <RAOF> TheMuso: No, but it seems to be installed.  That typo causes error output everytime I update the initramfs, so... :)
[01:09] <RAOF> I'm not sure _why_ it's installed, but this is a fairly fresh Jaunty install and I haven't deliberately installed it.
[01:09] <TheMuso> RAOF: Anyway, thats obviously something I missed that is different in Debian, thanks.
[01:09] <TheMuso> RAOF: Ok, I'll upload that now, thanks.
[01:10] <RAOF> No problem.
[03:43] <tjaalton> RAOF: sounds nice
[03:46] <shaya> ifconfig is returning crazy info on intrepid for me
[03:46] <shaya> RX packets:72372 errors:0 dropped:1791015270 overruns:0 frame:0
[03:46] <shaya> namely the dropped
[03:46] <shaya> it keeps on cycling throgh its entire number space
[04:12] <RAOF> tjaalton: I was actually wondering whether we should try to use it by default for some hardware :)
[04:19] <tjaalton> RAOF: bold, I like it :)
[04:23] <RAOF> tjaalton: Works pretty well for me :)
[04:23] <RAOF> Therefore everyone should use it!
[04:27] <tjaalton> dogfood for the masses!
[04:28] <Treenaks> hmmm.. dogfood
[04:29] <tjaalton> you found the diner yet?-)
[06:34]  * NCommander has the only laptop at UDS that requires a jumpstart to connect to the net
[06:36] <StevenK> NCommander: How does one jumpstart it?
[06:37] <NCommander> StevenK, ask wgrant
[06:37] <StevenK> Geez NCommander is an idiot
[06:37] <wgrant> (I'm next to StevenK and one person from NCommander)
[06:38] <NCommander> Riddell, your style of taste reeks horrible
[06:38] <calc> ah i found the channel :)
[06:38] <StevenK> wgrant has a calc buffer
[06:38]  * NCommander wonders when sanity will enter ... or leave
[06:38] <StevenK> it ever existed?
[06:38]  * wgrant calls the Hobbsee to part NCommander.
[06:41] <calc> Hobbsee: KDE is... EVIL! ;-)
[06:42] <wgrant> That's just cruel. She has no laptop with her.
[06:43] <NCommander> wgrant, she'll steal StevenK's laptop and make some witty remark and use the stick
[06:45] <wgrant> Hmm, Luke has a convenient stick here.
[06:45] <StevenK> NCommander: The stick is both metric and imperial, it has been checked over. Fear the stick
[06:46] <NCommander> Do you have an International Stick Smashing Permit?
[06:46] <NCommander> ^ StevenK
[06:46] <calc> i can makes unsubstantiated claims of KDE's evilness due to maintaining it for several years... :-P
[06:47] <wgrant> calc: Yes, but you're crazy.
[06:47] <calc> i'm getting close to maintaining OOo as long now
[06:47]  * NCommander is wondering how long until the fight breaks out
[06:47] <calc> and i long ago learned OOo is evil ;-)
[06:47] <NCommander> Just compiling it requires signing over your soul
[06:48] <calc> yea
[06:48] <StevenK> To Sun
[06:48] <NCommander> and Sun will use it to make Java
[06:49] <StevenK> NCommander: After mincing it
[06:49] <NCommander> and using it to create CDDL-ed licensed code
[06:50] <wgrant> Oooh, nasty.
[06:51] <Riddell> NCommander: what's wrong with my style?
[06:51] <NCommander> Riddell, nothing, it was simply an experiment in the concept that what you say in real life, and what you say on IRC can be completely different things
[06:52] <Riddell> NCommander: are you downstairs?  did I miss you?
[06:52] <NCommander> Riddell, try looking up from the keyboard
[06:52] <wgrant> He's over here.
[06:52] <StevenK> Riddell: He is, and you did.
[06:53] <calc> NCommander: so you are in his room?
[06:53] <Riddell> ah well, I'm asleep now, introduce yourself to me tomorrow
[06:53] <NCommander> calc, unless your also in the same room ...
[06:53] <calc> and someone Riddell is typing in his sleep
[06:54] <NCommander> calc, he's simply using the Transreality Transmission Control Protocol
[06:54] <calc> i need to be a track lead so i can get a spiffy shirt from bdmurray
[06:56] <wgrant> calc: You can compete with NCommander for the insanity track.
[06:56] <NCommander> wgrant, I thought you were the crowd favorite for that
[06:57] <calc> wgrant: no one can beat me for insanity... i have maintained ALSA, KDE, and now OOo :-)
[06:57] <wgrant> I don't do anything particularly insane!
[06:57] <wgrant> calc: Right, but NCommander thinks m68k is worthwhile.
[06:57] <StevenK> Doorstop!
[06:57] <NCommander> calc, I've fixed mono bugs, I've done Ada transitions via hardy-sru
[06:58]  * StevenK hides from infinity
[06:58] <NCommander> I help with crackports ...
[06:58] <calc> wgrant: its great for a space heater
[07:01] <calc> my m68k isn't nearly as crack as NCommander's
[07:01] <NCommander> calc, its not mine
[07:02] <calc> just a poor 840av w/128mb
[07:03] <calc> StevenK: well the US wasn't a prison...
[07:05] <calc> now that we got a legimately elected president maybe we won't be a prison again :)
[07:05] <NCommander> calc, you still have hope ...
[07:26] <calc> StevenK: so are you the oldest Aussie? you've been on freenode for 8 years
[07:26] <calc> i've been on freenode almost as long as the compiz guy has been alive ;-)
[07:26] <wgrant> Hah.
[07:26]  * wgrant too is just 17
[07:27] <calc> Registered : Nov 04 16:56:38 1998 (10  years, 5 weeks, 1 day, 14:29:12 ago)
[07:27] <NCommander> calc, that's not a good thing
[07:27] <NCommander> The older your freenode account, the less of a life you have. It forms a rather interesting graph
[07:28] <calc> NCommander: maybe i've just been using irc since i was a baby? :)
[07:28] <NCommander> calc, I had wireless in the womb
[07:28] <calc> Registered : Jan 29 01:49:02 1994 (14  years, 45 weeks, 2 days, 05:39:15 ago) <- thinks that is the oldest account
[07:28] <wgrant> Oh dear.
[07:28] <wgrant> No wonder you maintain OOo.
[07:29] <NCommander> calc, is that lilo's account?
[07:29] <calc> NCommander: yea
[07:29]  * NCommander remembers when he died
[07:29] <calc> yea i live in the same city he did and never managed to meet him
[07:30] <calc> and riding a bike in Houston is crazy
[07:30]  * calc knows other people who got hit by cars as well, but they luckily survived
[07:30] <calc> there are generally no bike lanes, etc
[09:37] <didrocks> morning o/
[09:38] <didrocks> pitti: can you take a look at this hardy SRU (bug #212098) when you will have time to do so, please?
[10:48] <LimCore> hi
[10:49] <LimCore> ubuntu failed on me epically - silently destroyed lots of my files
[10:50] <LimCore> this is issue on many levels, and I wanted to develop solution to one of them:  there is no way to gracefully turn of computer fastly when the power to monitor is gone.  Fix: make power button always shut down the box (instead asking damn questions and confirmations)
[10:50] <LimCore> how to have is so that power button always just executs given script?
[11:03] <hunger> When will OOo 3 become available in jaunty?
[11:08] <pochu> hunger: possibly when bug 305790 is fixed.
[11:08] <directhex> hunger, in jaunty?
[11:08] <hunger> pochu: Thanks. Just saw that it was submitted to LP for building and failed a while back.
[11:09] <hunger> aka. yesterday:-)
[15:14] <fbond> Hi, so most init scripts seem to have "INIT INFO" blocks at the top, but update-rc.d makes no use of them when deciding what the default runlevels for an init script should be.  Is there any plan to make use of this data, or is it only present for LSB compatibility?
[16:00] <Koon> fbond: both
[16:03] <fbond> Koon: Any idea where I can get info on what is happening with update-rc.d?
[16:04] <Koon> fbond: you mean, info on what update-rc.d does ?
[16:05] <Koon> fbond: man update-rc.d, or look directly at update-rc.d code
[16:06] <fbond> Koon: No, not on what update-rc.d does, on changes to update-rc.d to make use of LSB init script comments.  Bugs or specs.
[16:07] <Koon> fbond: the long-term idea is to fully make use of upstart. See http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[16:08] <fbond> Koon: And in that case, the LSB comments would still be parsed (but by some upstart tool)?
[16:08] <Koon> fbond: i'm not sure.
[16:19] <ScottK-laptop> Koon: Are you @ UDS?
[16:20] <Koon> ScottK: no.
[16:20] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Looking for someone who's there that can maybe find out how we listen in ...
[16:20] <Koon> yes, I also intend to listen to the morning conferences
[16:20] <Koon> haven't found listening details so far
[17:17] <lukehasnoname> Anyone know where audio streams will be for UDS, if there are to be any at all?
[17:18] <ScottK-laptop> There usually are.  Lots of us are wondering right along with you.
[17:18] <NCommander> lukehasnoname, I know we had to sign releases to be filmed
[17:18] <NCommander> I'll ask the question now
[17:18] <NCommander> I just asked Scott and he had no idea
[17:23] <lukehasnoname> :(
[17:31] <slangasek> http://icecast.ubuntu.com/ lists stuff, but none of them say "plenary" which is what's happening currently
[17:34] <iulian> Yay!
[17:36] <slangasek> ArneGoetje: I think I'm in another session at 11am, but I'm noticing with interest your session on new interfaces for font management; is there any more (tentative) design detail available yet, or should I wait until after the session to peek at it again?
[17:55] <ArneGoetje> slangasek: It's not *my* session, but it touches my topic, so, I'm of course highly interested in that session.
[17:55] <pitti> directhex: will do, but later (I'm at UDS)
[17:55] <slangasek> ArneGoetje: ah, ok :)
[19:39]  * StevenK bashes ogra. 1) You're not the UDS channel
[19:39] <ogra> oh
[19:39] <StevenK> ogra: 2) It's "the", not "teh" :-P
[19:39] <ogra> right, i didnt plan to use my lappie
[19:39] <ogra> :P
[23:49] <Laney> udsserver dents too much
[23:49] <Laney> >:(
[23:55] <jpds> Laney: summit.u.c?
[23:56] <Laney> jpds: http://identi.ca/udsserver
[23:56] <jpds> Ah, right.