/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/08/#ubuntu-ops.txt

Hobbseestaff: FWIW, 67.111.52.130.ptr.us.xo.net seems to be the hotel address for UDS, so please don't block it due to the multiple connections out of there;)00:18
MezHobbsee: ilines@freenode.net00:20
HobbseeMez: was hoping to do that once i found out what the addresses for google are too.00:20
LjLlast time they said it was iline@ anyway00:22
PriceChildMez: Hobbsee: iline@freenode.net00:22
PriceChildYep I had to double check that last time someone asked about it too.00:22
HobbseePriceChild: mind sending the mail? : )00:23
MezPriceChild: ah, lol - I for some reason thought it was ilines (and I think I've used ilines before too!)00:23
PriceChildHobbsee: I'd rather someone who's an authority on it requested it ;)00:23
PriceChildHobbsee: organiser/attendee... someone who actually knows what's going on rather than me becoming a middleman.00:24
LjLHobbsee: in other words, no pony for you.00:24
PriceChildNo you can have a pony, I just don't want to request an iline, find out I have the wrong address, and get stuck not being able to contact anyone for the right one.00:26
LjLPriceChild: just iline 0.0.0.000:26
LjLwho needs bans00:26
* LjL goes to /mode #ubuntu +e *!*@*00:26
* LjL wonders how long it'd take y'all to figure that out if i did it00:27
LjLprobably not very long now that i mentioned it00:28
=== vorian is now known as heHATEme
PriceChildman i remember the first alphas of songbird, its changed a bit01:52
bazhangsteelgun seems familiar02:00
bazhangany one else feel requinb4 is going overboard with the !hi trigger?02:43
bazhanghe/she is helpful, but..02:44
naliothbazhang: i personally don't feel it's needed in #ubuntu, 02:49
=== heHATEme is now known as vorian
bazhangnalioth, okay thanks. just after a few hours of everyone saying hi getting the !hi was a bit grating imo02:50
naliothi personally see it as more of an -offtopic factoid02:54
ubottuIn ubottu, RequinB4 said: !tor is <reply> this factoid should probably give information for using tor/privoxy in ubuntu, and not just compatibility with irc once it's installed.  Secure installation instructions are already available at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TOR - "For instructions on using TOR with ubuntu, see ____"03:03
bazhang* [Guest89929] (n=idiot@pool-162-83-62-247.sal.east.verizon.net): I.P Daily03:57
meoblast001hello04:36
bazhanghi04:36
meoblast001hi04:36
meoblast001i picture this place as a round white room04:36
meoblast001with 2 doors04:36
meoblast001on oposite sides04:36
meoblast001and it echos a lot04:37
meoblast001and we talk04:37
bazhangyou wanted to discuss why you were removed?04:37
meoblast001yes04:37
bazhangjust a moment04:37
bazhang2008-12-08T02:47:53 <meoblast001> !troll | magnetron04:39
meoblast001is that bad?04:39
bazhangafter he was trying to help you for 30 minutes, yes.04:39
meoblast001he was cussing at me04:39
meoblast001i gave him a link04:39
meoblast001told him i would restart xorg04:39
bazhanghe was warned, and stopped.04:39
meoblast001came back and he asked for the link again04:39
meoblast001i gave it to him04:39
meoblast001he then told me it didnt explain what i was doing04:40
bazhangnot the right response to someone who is trying to help you.04:40
meoblast001it said that i had to install some x something and run some command04:40
meoblast001then he yelled at me04:40
bazhangpeople are volunteers.04:40
meoblast001ppl yelling offends me04:40
meoblast001sorry04:40
bazhangyou may have forgotten that key point.04:41
meoblast001yeah04:41
meoblast001i try to stick in my loco until they ban me04:41
meoblast001and then go to another room until i get hated there04:41
bazhangyou were repeatedly targeting him instead of just asking the channel.04:41
bazhangand then !troll when he did not give the answer you wanted04:42
meoblast001he told me to discus it in #ubuntu in #ubuntu-offtopic04:42
bazhangyes.04:42
meoblast001ok i understand now04:42
bazhanghe did not say he would do the support though.04:42
meoblast001oh04:43
bazhangright.04:43
meoblast001i think im gonna go to #ubuntu-offtopic to talk to the ppl that have me on their /ignore list04:43
bazhangor act in a way that people dont want to /ignore you.04:43
bazhangoops04:43
Myrttioops04:44
MyrttiI don't want to be awake, really04:44
bazhangthen sleep!04:44
bazhangits the change of seasons imo04:44
Myrttibut it's seven o'clock04:44
MyrttiI'll just let my intestines steep in two liters of strong coffee04:45
bazhangnaptime then :)04:45
Myrttiand pray for Gaia I'll be functional the whole day04:45
MyrttiARGH.05:05
MyrttiI maded you a cup of coffee but I eated it.05:05
nickrudI pine for the days I could drink 2 liters of coffee05:28
bazhangheh05:28
bazhangjust started myself05:28
nickrud3d cup, out comes the antacids :(05:28
bazhanghynix is asus-tek?06:03
MyrttiI have no idea06:04
Myrttioh06:04
bazhangor perhaps sp0rtily ban evading06:04
Myrttilooks like it06:04
Myrtti[08:04] [freenode] ~~~hynix [n=kavita@221.128.205.31]06:04
Myrtti@bansearch *!*kavita@*06:04
ubottuNo matches found for *!*kavita@* in any channel06:04
Myrttihrm06:05
Myrttinot sure anymore06:05
bazhangQED06:06
* Myrtti facepalms06:07
MyrttiWHY DOES HE HAVE TO CHANGE HIS NICK MORE OFTEN I CHANGE MY BEDSHEETS06:07
bazhangheh06:07
Myrttihe probably changes it more often I change socks06:08
bazhangnew corporate logo a week :)06:08
Myrttitwice or three times a day is his current record06:08
jdongtoo... much... info?06:11
MyrttiI've complained about it to him like dozen times06:12
Myrttijdong: you change your socks three times a day?06:12
Myrttifreak06:12
Myrttianyway06:12
Myrtti:-<06:12
jdongI was more referring to the bedsheets comment :)06:12
bazhangjust lots of strange stalker-y folks in that channel do the same06:12
bazhanghard to keep them straight06:12
jdong!twss06:13
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about twss06:13
jdongaww that doesn't work in here :)06:13
bazhangerr that came out wrong06:13
jdongthat's also what she said.06:13
bazhangback to ubuntuforums with ye!06:13
Myrttijdong: that's also a A FACTOID I HATE WITH PASSION06:13
jdong(you can tell when I'm on my 30th sleepless hour when I try to turn everything into an innuendo)06:13
jdongMyrtti: not a fan of The Office (US)?06:14
Myrttijdong: I don't really watch telly, even less some lame adaptations of perfectly good UK shows06:14
jdongoh come on! :P06:14
MyrttiI didn't watch one second of the most popular TV show in Finland either06:15
Myrttiok06:16
Myrttican I say it now?06:16
MyrttiASUS-tek is an idiot. a fool. a moron.06:17
MyrttiWHAT KIND OF FOOL GIVES THEIR IM ACCOUNTS TO BE FREELY USED BY FRIENDS AND RELATIVES06:17
Myrttithis idiocy makes my brain hurt06:18
Myrttiow ow ow oww06:18
MyrttiI feel a sudden urge to bludgeon squishy things with a baseball bat06:19
bazhangsave it for netyire06:19
bazhang /me'ing around for several hours06:20
MyrttiI'd put ASUS-tek on ignore, but he GODDAMNIT CHANGES IP'S AND NICKS ALL THE TIME06:21
MyrttiI've just about had it with him06:21
* Myrtti feels a vein throb on her neck06:22
bazhangI'm glad not to have privileges in that channel06:22
MyrttiIf I had time, I'd write a complaint about him to some higher up instance like the council and toss the problem of dealing with him politely and nicely to them06:24
MyrttiI don't have the calmness and objectivity left anymore06:24
Myrttiand of course06:24
Myrttiif I'd try to deal with him, he'd just ignore me06:25
Myrttiwell, not ignore, but wouldn't just get it06:25
MyrttiI honestly don't know what to do with him06:26
bazhangits the humm..okey?06:26
bazhangthe nick changes?06:26
Myrttithe nick changes that makes it impossible to ignore him06:27
Myrttithe creepy remarks about women06:27
bazhangyeah06:27
bazhangthe 'chicks' comments06:27
Myrttithe creepy stalking like behaviour towards many channel regulars06:27
bazhanghe does do that06:27
bazhangkind of forgot in the aftermath of sporty and others06:28
bazhangimo there should be another operator added to that channel. flannel for example06:33
MyrttiI wouldn't mind magnetron or someone from the most sensible regular users list06:34
bazhangthe entmoot-like speed of actually adding someone is not that great..06:34
bazhanghrrrmmm06:34
Myrttiwell he is on my list of more sensible regular users list06:34
Myrttidon't know about you folks06:35
bazhanghe would be a great choice06:35
bazhangsensible regular users list ~206:35
bazhanghe and toplyi06:36
Myrttiyeah06:36
Myrttiand I know topyli would decline the offer06:36
bazhangwell the next best to a finn would be a swede then :)06:37
bazhangthose arctic climes keep y'all frosty06:37
Myrttiif nanonyme would be on the channel nowadays, I'd suggest him06:38
Myrttibut I know he'd decline too06:38
MyrttiFinns are always good choice for ops, the culture of IRC is so deeply rooted into our Internet culture that the unwritten and written rules are really stuck on us06:39
bazhangyep06:39
Myrttiwell, atleast if you're >21yo06:39
Myrttiyounger tend to think of IRC as http://irc.fi06:39
bazhang<dqd> hehe i cracked my neibour ap06:44
MyrttiWOHOOO HE LEFT THE CHANNEL06:47
bazhang* [l7] (n=l7@evil-wire.org): l706:49
bazhangweird isp06:50
Myrttinot really06:59
bazhangjust paranoid I guess :)07:01
Myrttiit's about as weird as all vanity domains / shell account hostnames07:02
Myrttihe's on #maemo as well, and has acted nicely there07:03
elkbuntuoh not that moron again07:16
ikoniabazhang: I've made a request for more people to be added in -ot 07:16
Myrttielkbuntu: which moron? ;-)07:17
Myrttiwe have so many of them07:17
Myrttihard to keep up07:17
bazhangheh07:17
elkbuntuMyrtti, hynix07:17
bazhangikonia, thanks07:17
Myrttielkbuntu: yeah, him again07:17
Myrttiwell, he didn't do nothing bad per se07:18
Myrttithis time07:18
Myrttihe's just idiot.07:18
ikoniais he indian ?07:19
ikoniaor from an indian region?07:19
Myrttiindian07:20
elkbuntuhe goes by other nicks too07:20
MyrttiI had him on facebook for a while07:20
Myrttiwith him seeing my restricted profile07:20
Myrttinow he's on my blocked list07:20
elkbuntuMyrtti, ... ... ...07:20
elkbuntuyou... added him?07:21
Myrttielkbuntu: I know, I'm too nice07:21
Myrttihe added me07:21
MyrttiI thought about it for two days and added him with very restricted view to my info07:21
ikoniaputting people like that on your facbook account is inviting trouble07:21
Myrttithe moment he decided it would be ok to add me on his Skype roster, I had enough07:22
ikoniayou know his behaviour, yet you give him access to your private information, no matter how limited ?07:22
bazhangshould be a zero-tolerance approach to the stalker-y behaviour imo07:22
ikoniathats not stalking if you accept it07:22
ikoniayour offering your information07:22
bazhangI mean in the irc channels07:23
Myrttiwell I'm trying to be consistent with my policy about facebook07:23
ikoniaI think you need to be realistic07:23
ikoniagiving your information out to people you know are a pain is inviting trouble07:23
Myrttiikonia: why do you think he's on my blocked list now, then?07:23
ikonianot sure how he got onto your list in the first place07:24
ikoniait's your business who you allow on your facebook / personal information, but it seems unwise to allow people who are known to the channels any personal information07:24
Myrttiwell I hadn't grasped the whole picture of how annoying he can be before he added me to his skype roster07:25
Myrttiwell07:25
Myrttiwanted to add07:25
bazhangregardless07:26
bazhangmy point was about the comments in -ot07:26
bazhangfrom anyone07:26
bazhangcf AtomicSpark earlier07:26
Myrtti*sigh*07:27
Myrttithe day isn't starting well07:27
ikoniabazhang: I've made my feelings on the asues-tek user quite public that he should not be in the ubuntu-offtopic channel due to the number os issues he's caused on a long term basis07:27
bazhangikonia, agreed; I feel it should extend well beyond him though07:28
* Myrtti gives up07:28
bazhangany commentary of that nature just invites further07:28
bazhangelkbuntu, you are still +o here btw07:29
elkbuntuliar.07:29
bazhanghehe07:30
Myrttianyway, the moment you manage to convince me ASUS-tek is being what he is with bad intent or breaking the rules on purpose, I'm happy to kick him07:35
Myrttiand wont look back for a second07:36
bazhangfirst creepy comment should be the threshold07:36
bazhanghe has crossed the line already.07:36
bazhangMyrtti, should not come from you07:37
ikoniaMyrtti: inability to socially interact or repeated inability to follow the guidelines (both which he has shown) suggests he should be removed until he can understand 07:38
bazhangMyrtti, I agree with your earlier comments about not being objective any more in that regard07:38
* Myrtti lays her gloves on the counter and walks away07:38
bazhangcould be what hobbsee did earlier re: sdlwof/mylogic situation07:39
ikoniaI've been trying for days now with eagles to help him understand why he presents himself as he does, and the bottom line is he knows why, but just doesn't want to fit in because he enjoys the attention it gets07:39
ikoniaI suspect the same is true of asuses-tek07:39
bazhangtemp -operator someone 07:39
ikoniabazhang: it just needs more active people added to the access list, 07:39
ikoniawhich I'll chase up today 07:39
bazhangat least until the entmoot has decided :)07:40
ikoniaI'd also request a topic change in -ot, to something more clear - eg: offtopic chatter, the rules still apply, etc etc07:43
ikoniaso that it is clear to anyone who reads the topic07:43
bazhangI disagree.07:44
ikoniaor people can be pointed to the topic07:44
ikoniaoh ?07:44
bazhangmost people ignore that07:44
ikoniayes they do, but thats not a reason to not have it07:44
FlannelThe first two bits are enough for anyone who pays attention (of course, people who pay attention generally is preaching to choir)07:44
ikoniaFlannel: should just be something more formal to maeke it clear this is sstill an #ubuntu channel and the ubuntu guidelines spirit still applies (in my opinion)07:45
Flannelikonia: A link to the IRC guidelines isn't sufficient?07:45
bazhangokay I see that point07:46
ikoniaFlannel: no no, thats fine, but look at the other stuff07:46
ikonia This topic lies on prime days of month, use windows to mark that in youru diary 07:46
bazhangfrom a legalistic/guidelines view07:46
bazhangperhaps something like /msg ubottu o4o if in doubt07:46
ikoniaI don't know, I was only thinking out loud07:47
FlannelReally, anyone who pays attention to the topic already has a good idea what the channel is about.  New people don't really pay attention to topics, unfortunately.07:48
ikoniaFlannel: I concur 100 07:48
ikonia%10007:48
ikoniaFlannel: I'm more thinking of a point of stopping the "I didn't know" argument, or the ability to say "check the topic" 07:48
ikoniaso its clear07:49
ikoniaseaves in disguise as "blurry" again in -ot07:50
ikonianot sure what he's up to 07:50
FlannelWell, the 'lies on prime days of the month' is a bit deceptive if we're trying to distort the rules, but apart from the removal of that, "check the topic" will satisfy whatever.07:50
ikoniaFlannel: exactly07:51
ikoniaFlannel: just trying to present ourselves as a group a little better07:51
FlannelAs a group... better?07:52
ikoniaeg: you can't say to someone "come on, behave" if the topic's messing around07:52
FlannelSure you can.  There's being amusing and having fun, and then being inappropriate.07:52
FlannelNo person whos genuine actually thinks that the rules don't apply on the prime days.07:53
ikoniawell, I see the side of having fun, but I don't see being unclear in the topic as the best way to present the channel07:53
FlannelAnyone who would cause a problem with that, will find something else to cause a problem with.07:53
FlannelI'm sure whomever added that added it on a composite day of the month, and just forgot to remove it.07:53
ikoniaI don't disagree on that, I just feel it's sonething that can be used as a another pointless argument07:53
ikoniayes, I don't think it's intentional, just an oversight07:54
ikoniahence the request07:54
ikoniamaybe I'm a tad on the left side of this because I actually read channel topics07:55
bazhangheh08:01
bazhangthe only user on all of irc08:01
ikoniadon't mind being wrong, just giving an opinion08:02
bazhangjust kidding08:02
ikoniait's a valid point that not many people do 08:02
bazhangsorry to joke and run..08:03
bazhangbut your point applies no doubt08:03
ikoniamaybe, maybe not08:03
bazhangespecially when in terms of conflict resolution08:03
bazhanguh I didnt know?!?08:03
bazhanga backstop so to speak.08:04
bazhangback in a bit08:04
ikoniaFlannel make a valid point that anyone who uses the current topic as an excuse is already going to have ten other options in reserve08:04
bazhangyep08:04
ikoniacatch you later08:04
ikoniaannoyed now with that guy trying to direct the porn searcher to -offtopic11:35
bazhangyep11:35
ikoniaso easy to just hit !offtopic to anything without thinking it through11:36
bazhangthat is true11:36
ikoniathis guy is getting really annoying now11:40
ikoniatrying to justify porn sites as valid11:40
bazhangalthough given the state of -ot recently..11:41
elkbuntuikonia, another troll from the wikipedia/baby-dangling crap of today's headlines?11:42
ikonianot read them11:42
bazhanghe did finally drop it though, after getting in the last word of course11:42
ikoniais this the scorpions album11:42
ikoniathis guys is border line on trolling11:45
ikoniait's not hard to grasp porn = no discussion11:46
bazhangwell dont feed :)11:46
ikoniaI refuse to have him justify it to the channel11:46
bazhangjust let me chat with him for a second11:46
bazhanghe admits to doing it without thinking11:49
bazhangit happened in a split second11:49
ikoniaof coruse11:49
ikoniait wasn't intentional11:49
ikoniano-one said it was11:49
ikoniaI asked him to think about it11:49
ikoniaand he started justfiying it like he meant to do it11:49
bazhangprobably !coc or !guidelines if the guy was around long enough to see them11:49
ikonia(which I know he didn't as it was auto pilot)11:49
ikoniainstead of just syaing "yup" no problem, he went on "well who are you to censor speach" etc etc11:50
bazhangjust got his back up for being called out on it initially11:50
ikoniawell thats tough11:50
bazhangbut buzukelis was not around long enough so its moot at this point11:50
ikoniaeveryone makes mistakes, eg: autopilot !offtopic11:50
ikoniaI agree, it just took "no problem"11:51
bazhangI've done it before11:51
ikoniarather than "well, porn is an acceptable search, and freespeach is aillgal in some countries are you giong to censor that211:51
bazhangsometimes its tough to get that !coc out instead11:51
ikoniaI've done it11:51
ikoniaevery's done it, 11:51
bazhangyep11:51
ikoniaeveryone11:51
ikoniaI know it was an accident11:51
ikoniabut he started defending it like he meant to do it11:51
ikoniaas I said "no problem" was all he needed to say11:52
bazhangwell some folks dont take criticism kindly in a big channel like that.11:52
bazhangit happens11:52
ikoniaof course it does11:52
ikoniabut he didn't even drop me a pm saying that11:52
ikoniajust went off ranting about censorshop and freesepach11:52
ikoniaif he felt argived I would apologise no problem11:52
ikoniabut he didn't he pretended he did it on purpose11:53
ikoniathen changed to an accident (I knew it was an accident)11:53
bazhangsure11:53
bazhanghe got his back up ie defensive11:53
bazhangon being criticised11:53
ikoniaI see that, but he still kept going11:54
bazhangI once got into a pretty heated argument with elky in #u11:54
bazhangpre-operator days :)11:55
ikoniaI've done it with people, it's not wrong to disagree11:55
bazhangmiracle I survived :)11:55
bazhangno, but in my case I got defensive unneccesarily 11:56
bazhangas did joaopinto in this case11:57
ikoniaI've done it too11:57
ikoniait's easy done if you think your right, or the other person can't see your point of view11:57
ikoniabut as he said, it was an accident, so he knows it was wrong, but then went of on censorship11:57
bazhangtrue11:57
ikoniathere wasn't a right/wrong to it11:57
bazhangabsolutely11:57
ikoniaI could understand it if he disageed/thought I couldn't see his view point, but there was no view point, he did an autopilot thing, (no problem) and was asked to think a bit more before trigger it11:58
ikoniahence why it was so frustrating as he started making up arguemnts11:58
ikoniathere wasn't an argument to be had11:59
bazhangdont respond now please11:59
ikoniaI smell your hand there11:59
ikoniasorry I'd typed a nice response befor eyou said that11:59
ikoniaI sense your grooming hand at the helm there12:00
bazhangjust following your and flannel's lead12:00
ikonia??12:00
bazhangwith joaopinto?12:01
bazhangor icesword12:01
ikoniaour lead, I don't think I've ever spoke to him before12:01
bazhangoh12:01
ikoniaI know the nick iceword, but dno't remember him12:01
bazhangno, I mean as far as conflict resolution12:02
ikoniaooh12:02
ikoniawell, it was a nice gesture he made, even with your hand guiding him12:02
ikonianot-needed, but still appriciated12:02
bazhangI said nothing to him12:02
ikoniaHmmm ;)12:02
bazhangjust drop it, which he completely ignored :(12:02
ikoniaoh, well in that case kudos to him12:03
bazhanghehe12:03
bazhangthere is the whole language barrier thing as well12:03
bazhanghe is native brasilian12:03
ikoniayes, I did pick up on that a bit12:03
ikonia!usb12:25
ubottuFor information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent12:25
Nafallohmm12:26
ikoniahello12:26
ikonia@login12:26
ubottuThe operation succeeded.12:26
Nafalloshould that one be renamed !oldusb and !usb point to usb-creator? ;-)12:26
Nafallomight make sense actually :-12:26
Nafallo)12:26
ikoniaNafallo: I'm thinking of something like !usb-install and !usb-installer12:27
ikoniaso that a "to" a usb stick is different from a "from a usb media"12:27
ikonianot worded great in that factoid12:27
Nafallothat would probably make sense. might want to distict the two a bit further than two additional chars though? :-)12:28
ikoniaNafallo yes, bad example12:28
Nafallo!usb-creator12:28
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about usb-creator12:28
Nafallo:-)12:28
Nafalloeasy to remember12:28
ikoniausb-creator, isn't that the application though12:29
ikoniathat would be a 3rd factoid12:29
Nafallothat is the application indeed :-)12:29
NafalloI should know, since I had to read the sourcecode the other day to fight a false fact in -se ;-)12:30
ikoniawrite a quick descrption then and lets bot it up12:30
ikoniaseeing as you know it well ;)12:31
elkbuntuok, paddy_eire has just officially creeped me out12:31
ikoniawhat's up12:31
ikonia(not been following)12:31
elkbuntusee -ot12:32
elkbunturead up to about *:2612:32
ikoniahave you ever asked to see a picture of him before ?12:33
elkbuntunever.12:33
Nafallousb-creator is a simple application to help you make a bootable usb-stick from an ubuntu isofile. You may find it under System/Administration12:33
Nafallousb-creator is a simple application to help you make a bootable usb-stick from an ubuntu isofile. You may find it under System/Administration/ even12:33
ikoniaNafallo: do you suggest usb-creator or boot-usb12:34
elkbuntuikonia, hence why the random pic showing then whinging when i dont express appreciation is creepy12:34
ikoniaelkbuntu: most odd12:34
Nafalloikonia: usb-creator. boot-usb sounds more like instructions for setting up the BIOS correctly :-)12:34
Nafalloat least to me12:34
ikoniaNafallo seems sensible12:35
elkbunturght, i should at least go to bed on time, and hence i bid you adieu12:35
ikonianight12:35
ubottuIn ubottu, ikonia said: !no usb-creator is usb-creator is a simple application to help you make a bootable usb-stick from an ubuntu isofile. You may find it under System -> Administration menu even12:36
ikoniadamn you ubottu12:37
ikoniaNafallo: does that read right though ?12:37
Nafalloexcept the even shouldn't be on the end :-)12:38
ikoniaah12:38
ikoniaI quite like it with even12:38
ikoniabut your right12:38
Nafallothat or the System12:38
Nafallolike in being specific about what menu it is :-)12:38
ikoniaNafallo i quite like it saying it may be under System -> aministration12:38
ikonia"it will be under" probablty better12:39
Nafallothe System -> Administration. well. not sure. English isn't my first language :-)12:39
ikonia"the system - administration menu212:39
Nafallowell. it is a may, since it's not necessarily installed everywhere :-)12:40
ikoniaI'll drop the may12:40
Nafallooki12:40
jpdsHello from UDS.15:44
ikoniahi !15:45
ikoniayou lucky rat how di dyou get there15:45
jpds...well the hotel actually.15:46
jpdsGot a flight.15:46
Picijpds: Which hotel?15:46
ikoniastill, you jammy thing15:46
ikoniawell done15:46
ikoniaPici: I assume you are there ?15:46
PiciI am :)15:46
ikoniaanother jammy rat15:46
jpdsPici: Domain.15:46
Picijpds: I'm at the other one, Wild Palms15:48
jpdsPici: Come over, it's fun.15:49
Picijpds: How are you getting to Google from there?15:49
jpdsPici: You looked over the schedule?15:49
PiciI did.15:50
jpdsPici: We have a shuttle at 8:15.15:50
Piciooh.15:50
PiciI dont think we do, or at least I don't know about it15:51
PiciI think I'll take a walk then15:51
ubottuIn #kubuntu, pulaski said: ubottu: tilp2 is a texas instruments calculator linking program15:57
LjL!info tilp217:07
ubottutilp2 (source: tilp2): TI calculator <-> PC communication program for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.01-0ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 361 kB, installed size 1380 kB17:07
LjLi'd really like to have back the implicit !info...17:07
Hobbseebazhang: oh?17:10
ikoniaHobbsee: got moment for a quick pm ?17:52
Hobbseeikonia: yes, although i'm at UDS17:57
ikoniait's only a quicky17:57
LjLwho's "ubuntu-ops"?18:00
Picieh?18:01
LjLPici: /ns info #ubuntu-ops, it's got access in #uds18:02
LjLerr, /ns info ubuntu-ops18:02
Picilast address = ompaul, ask him.18:02
PiciI suspect its been around for longer than the ircc has.18:02
LjLPici: never been any widely used though18:03
PiciLjL: Well, if someone can login as it (or is a staffer), they can see where it does have access.18:03
LjLmight not be a tremendously bad idea to resurrect it though18:03
LjLfor that matter, it wouldn't be awful if nickserv and chanserv recognized a concept of groups18:06
PiciAny idea if thats a feature in the new ircd?18:09
LjLPici, i don't think the new ircd changes anything in the services (given they've just beed changed)18:10
PriceChildPici: that will be part of a separate project.18:10
PiciPriceChild: okay18:10
* PriceChild tries to find it18:11
PriceChildPici: http://svn.freenode.net/gms/18:11
PiciPriceChild: Ah, part of the web based management stuffs 18:11
PriceChildmmhm18:12
PriceChildhelp is always welcome ;)18:12
PiciI don't know php... but I know someone who does..18:13
* LjL totally ignores what you're talking about18:15
LjLanyway, ok with the web management, but it certainly needs new services too?18:15
PiciNot necessarily.18:17
LjLok i've registered the ubuntu-ops nickname18:26
LjLnow i'll spam you with memoservs containing its password18:26
ikoniahow delightful18:26
ikoniantohing like a good spamming18:27
ikoniaLjL: your quick today18:53
ubottuevand called the ops in #ubuntu-devel-summit ()18:56
Mez#uds = restricted?18:58
PriceChildMez: it forwards to the other?18:59
Meznope, kicks me and says I need to be invited18:59
Mezah, I'm +Q18:59
PriceChildLjL: who has access to ubuntu-ops? :/19:01
LjLPriceChild: the whole irc team, or at least that's the idea19:02
LjLPriceChild: of course whether or not to add it to access lists is entirely the prerogative of channel founders19:02
LjLjust as with uic19:02
ikoniaLjL: best kick message in a while19:15
Mezhmm, does anyone know how to setup a tunnel so my home PC connects to my server, and then a port on my server is mapped to my home PC?19:22
jdongMez: sounds like a job for SSH19:23
jdongI'm guessing your home PC is in a NAT?19:23
Mezjdong, yeah19:25
Mezand I think I worked it out19:25
jdongok :019:25
jdongI was going to suggest (1) home$ ssh server -R 1234:localhost:2219:26
jdongthen ssh to server19:26
jdongand then on server ssh to localhost -p 123419:26
Mezssh -R I need it to be accessible to others19:26
jdongthen you can directly stop at (1)19:26
jdongan make sure port 1234 is accessible through your server's firewall if there is one :)19:26
Mezjdong: that wont work will it?19:27
jdongwhy won't it?19:28
Mez:localhost: will bind it to lo19:28
jdongno, -R's syntax is [remote_host:]remote_port:localaddress:localport19:28
jdongi.e. it listens to 0.0.0.0:1234 on server, which maps to localhost:22 on home.19:29
jdongoh sorry, remote_host defaults to 127.0.0.119:30
jdongso -R 0.0.0.0:1234:localhost:22 is correct19:30
* jdong smacks himself for not RTFMing19:30
Mezstill doesnt seem to work19:31
* Mez reboots SSH19:36
Mezjdong: thanks, was an issue with my SSH config ;)19:37
Mezhttp://torpor.sourceguru.net:4444/ now works19:37
MezLjL: Floodbot is a little trigger happy with the flood warnings today20:12
* jussi01 waves22:40
* Mez waves back22:55
jussi01heya Mez, hows things?22:58
* genii sips23:05
geeksquadi need help with a ban23:08
geeksquadit has benn 1 week23:09
geeksquadis anyone on?23:10
PiciWhat channel?23:11
geeksquad#ubuntu23:11
Seeker`why were you banne23:11
Seeker`and who banned you?23:11
geeksquadi had a question and a op said he would not answer it so i asked someone else and he banned me23:12
geeksquadMyritti i think23:13
Seeker`what was the question?23:14
geeksquadhow do you make your uid 023:15
geeksquadi had a diffrent nickname though but this one was not to evade the ban23:17
Seeker`@btlogin23:18
geeksquad?23:18
Seeker`what was the nick?23:18
geeksquadthegeek or geek 64 not sure witch23:19
geeksquadgeek 64 without the space23:19
Seeker`hmm, ubottu is ignoring me23:19
geeksquadgeek64is what i think it is23:20
geeksquadthats a first23:20
geeksquaddid you put a ! infront23:20
jussi01Seeker`: @login23:20
Seeker`@login23:20
ubottuThe operation succeeded.23:20
Seeker`tried that in PM,got no reponse23:20
jussi01now try23:21
Seeker`@btlogin23:21
Seeker`mwahahahaha23:21
Seeker`I mean, it worked23:21
jussi01better?23:21
geeksquadwhats that  do23:21
jussi01lol23:21
jussi01Ive got lag23:21
geeksquadSeeker' are u there23:22
jussi01geeksquad: give him a minute23:22
geeksquadok23:23
Seeker`geeksquad: The comment on the ban is "see a banevasion here"23:24
geeksquadno it was "try a ban evasion on that"23:24
geeksquadwitch got me mad23:25
Seeker`no, it was "see a ban evasion here"23:25
geeksquadmaybe im mistaken23:26
geeksquadyou should check the logs23:27
geeksquadit was last week23:27
Seeker`it looks like youwere told to come back in 3 weeks23:27
geeksquadthat was in #ubuntu-offtopic23:27
Seeker`the bantracker shows you being banned in #ubuntu23:28
PiciAnd -ot23:28
geeksquadand offtopic23:28
geeksquadbut the are both 3 weeks23:29
Seeker`has it been 3 weeks since the ban?23:29
geeksquadwitch one23:29
Seeker`either of them23:29
geeksquadnone it has been 3 weeks one was 1 day before thanksgiving it is the -ot one23:30
Seeker`all of your bans show up as being placed on the 26th november23:31
geeksquadthe bantracker has a glitch then23:31
geeksquadcause the -ot was on the week of thanksgiving23:32
Seeker`you need to speak to Myrtti or LjL then23:32
geeksquadare they on23:32
Seeker`LjL is, dont know if he is about23:32
Seeker`jussi01: any comments?23:33
geeksquadLjL i need to speak to you23:33
geeksquadand Seeker` what does @btlogin do im just curious23:33
Seeker`logs me in to the bantracker23:34
geeksquadoh23:34
geeksquadis it for ops only23:35
Seeker`yes23:35
geeksquadok23:35
geeksquadand on chanserv i see unban whats that do23:35
Seeker`what do you think?23:36
geeksquadunbans you but is that ops only23:36
Seeker`what do you think?23:36
geeksquadyes23:36
geeksquadam i right23:36
Seeker`yes23:36
geeksquadok23:36
geeksquadcan you email me at champster@ymail.com when myrriti and LjL are on and active23:37
PiciYou were banned on the 3rd for ban evasion, the only reason that it was noticed was because you had asked for support on something that we highly suggested that you not do.23:37
geeksquadbut i was experimenting23:38
geeksquadi just forgot to tell myrtti23:38
PiciExperimenting by evading the ban placed on the 26th?23:38
geeksquadno23:38
Seeker`geeksquad: you were banned on the 26th, and told to come back in 3 weeks23:39
Seeker`you were then bakc in #ubuntu on 3rd december, which is certainly not 3 weeks later23:39
geeksquadand when i first went here and talked to LjL he said the ban was first 1 week so thats what i think the ubuntu ban is23:40
Seeker`it would probably be advisable to come back 3 weeks from the 26th november and speak to LjL or Myrtti about it then23:40
PiciIndeed.23:40
geeksquadwhens that23:40
Seeker`bugging them about it sooner will most likely make the ban longer23:40
Seeker`17th December23:41
geeksquadwitch got the -ot ban from 1 to 323:41
LjLtoo late.23:43
LjLthis is the 3 weeks ban?23:43
LjLi should update the comment to say 5 weeks. i hadn't updated it when it became 4 weeks.23:43
Seeker`LjL: when did it become 4 weeks?23:44
LjLSeeker`: last time he came here23:44
Seeker`fair enough23:45
Seeker`its really difficult to tell people to "go away" when I have no power to do so23:45
LjLheh i know23:45
Seeker`on the other hand, I have no power to unban people23:46
LjL@mark #ubuntu-ops geeksquad So, five weeks now.23:46
ubottuThe operation succeeded.23:46
Seeker`so its pointless in them trying to convince themto do so23:46
Seeker`s/2nd them/me23:46
Seeker`what is the in=channel ocmmand for searching for bans?23:48
Seeker`-typos23:48
LjL@bansearch ljl23:49
ubottuNo matches found for ljl!n=ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl in any channel23:49
LjLnot necessarily in channel, you can use it in query too23:49
Seeker`ty23:49

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