[00:18] <Hobbsee> staff: FWIW, 67.111.52.130.ptr.us.xo.net seems to be the hotel address for UDS, so please don't block it due to the multiple connections out of there;)
[00:20] <Mez> Hobbsee: ilines@freenode.net
[00:20] <Hobbsee> Mez: was hoping to do that once i found out what the addresses for google are too.
[00:22] <LjL> last time they said it was iline@ anyway
[00:22] <PriceChild> Mez: Hobbsee: iline@freenode.net
[00:22] <PriceChild> Yep I had to double check that last time someone asked about it too.
[00:23] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: mind sending the mail? : )
[00:23] <Mez> PriceChild: ah, lol - I for some reason thought it was ilines (and I think I've used ilines before too!)
[00:23] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: I'd rather someone who's an authority on it requested it ;)
[00:24] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: organiser/attendee... someone who actually knows what's going on rather than me becoming a middleman.
[00:24] <LjL> Hobbsee: in other words, no pony for you.
[00:26] <PriceChild> No you can have a pony, I just don't want to request an iline, find out I have the wrong address, and get stuck not being able to contact anyone for the right one.
[00:26] <LjL> PriceChild: just iline 0.0.0.0
[00:26] <LjL> who needs bans
[00:26]  * LjL goes to /mode #ubuntu +e *!*@*
[00:27]  * LjL wonders how long it'd take y'all to figure that out if i did it
[00:28] <LjL> probably not very long now that i mentioned it
[01:52] <PriceChild> man i remember the first alphas of songbird, its changed a bit
[02:00] <bazhang> steelgun seems familiar
[02:43] <bazhang> any one else feel requinb4 is going overboard with the !hi trigger?
[02:44] <bazhang> he/she is helpful, but..
[02:49] <nalioth> bazhang: i personally don't feel it's needed in #ubuntu, 
[02:50] <bazhang> nalioth, okay thanks. just after a few hours of everyone saying hi getting the !hi was a bit grating imo
[02:54] <nalioth> i personally see it as more of an -offtopic factoid
[03:57] <bazhang> * [Guest89929] (n=idiot@pool-162-83-62-247.sal.east.verizon.net): I.P Daily
[04:36] <meoblast001> hello
[04:36] <bazhang> hi
[04:36] <meoblast001> hi
[04:36] <meoblast001> i picture this place as a round white room
[04:36] <meoblast001> with 2 doors
[04:36] <meoblast001> on oposite sides
[04:37] <meoblast001> and it echos a lot
[04:37] <meoblast001> and we talk
[04:37] <bazhang> you wanted to discuss why you were removed?
[04:37] <meoblast001> yes
[04:37] <bazhang> just a moment
[04:39] <bazhang> 2008-12-08T02:47:53 <meoblast001> !troll | magnetron
[04:39] <meoblast001> is that bad?
[04:39] <bazhang> after he was trying to help you for 30 minutes, yes.
[04:39] <meoblast001> he was cussing at me
[04:39] <meoblast001> i gave him a link
[04:39] <meoblast001> told him i would restart xorg
[04:39] <bazhang> he was warned, and stopped.
[04:39] <meoblast001> came back and he asked for the link again
[04:39] <meoblast001> i gave it to him
[04:40] <meoblast001> he then told me it didnt explain what i was doing
[04:40] <bazhang> not the right response to someone who is trying to help you.
[04:40] <meoblast001> it said that i had to install some x something and run some command
[04:40] <meoblast001> then he yelled at me
[04:40] <bazhang> people are volunteers.
[04:40] <meoblast001> ppl yelling offends me
[04:40] <meoblast001> sorry
[04:41] <bazhang> you may have forgotten that key point.
[04:41] <meoblast001> yeah
[04:41] <meoblast001> i try to stick in my loco until they ban me
[04:41] <meoblast001> and then go to another room until i get hated there
[04:41] <bazhang> you were repeatedly targeting him instead of just asking the channel.
[04:42] <bazhang> and then !troll when he did not give the answer you wanted
[04:42] <meoblast001> he told me to discus it in #ubuntu in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:42] <bazhang> yes.
[04:42] <meoblast001> ok i understand now
[04:42] <bazhang> he did not say he would do the support though.
[04:43] <meoblast001> oh
[04:43] <bazhang> right.
[04:43] <meoblast001> i think im gonna go to #ubuntu-offtopic to talk to the ppl that have me on their /ignore list
[04:43] <bazhang> or act in a way that people dont want to /ignore you.
[04:43] <bazhang> oops
[04:44] <Myrtti> oops
[04:44] <Myrtti> I don't want to be awake, really
[04:44] <bazhang> then sleep!
[04:44] <bazhang> its the change of seasons imo
[04:44] <Myrtti> but it's seven o'clock
[04:45] <Myrtti> I'll just let my intestines steep in two liters of strong coffee
[04:45] <bazhang> naptime then :)
[04:45] <Myrtti> and pray for Gaia I'll be functional the whole day
[05:05] <Myrtti> ARGH.
[05:05] <Myrtti> I maded you a cup of coffee but I eated it.
[05:28] <nickrud> I pine for the days I could drink 2 liters of coffee
[05:28] <bazhang> heh
[05:28] <bazhang> just started myself
[05:28] <nickrud> 3d cup, out comes the antacids :(
[06:03] <bazhang> hynix is asus-tek?
[06:04] <Myrtti> I have no idea
[06:04] <Myrtti> oh
[06:04] <bazhang> or perhaps sp0rtily ban evading
[06:04] <Myrtti> looks like it
[06:04] <Myrtti> [08:04] [freenode] ~~~hynix [n=kavita@221.128.205.31]
[06:04] <Myrtti> @bansearch *!*kavita@*
[06:05] <Myrtti> hrm
[06:05] <Myrtti> not sure anymore
[06:06] <bazhang> QED
[06:07]  * Myrtti facepalms
[06:07] <Myrtti> WHY DOES HE HAVE TO CHANGE HIS NICK MORE OFTEN I CHANGE MY BEDSHEETS
[06:07] <bazhang> heh
[06:08] <Myrtti> he probably changes it more often I change socks
[06:08] <bazhang> new corporate logo a week :)
[06:08] <Myrtti> twice or three times a day is his current record
[06:11] <jdong> too... much... info?
[06:12] <Myrtti> I've complained about it to him like dozen times
[06:12] <Myrtti> jdong: you change your socks three times a day?
[06:12] <Myrtti> freak
[06:12] <Myrtti> anyway
[06:12] <Myrtti> :-<
[06:12] <jdong> I was more referring to the bedsheets comment :)
[06:12] <bazhang> just lots of strange stalker-y folks in that channel do the same
[06:12] <bazhang> hard to keep them straight
[06:13] <jdong> !twss
[06:13] <jdong> aww that doesn't work in here :)
[06:13] <bazhang> err that came out wrong
[06:13] <jdong> that's also what she said.
[06:13] <bazhang> back to ubuntuforums with ye!
[06:13] <Myrtti> jdong: that's also a A FACTOID I HATE WITH PASSION
[06:13] <jdong> (you can tell when I'm on my 30th sleepless hour when I try to turn everything into an innuendo)
[06:14] <jdong> Myrtti: not a fan of The Office (US)?
[06:14] <Myrtti> jdong: I don't really watch telly, even less some lame adaptations of perfectly good UK shows
[06:14] <jdong> oh come on! :P
[06:15] <Myrtti> I didn't watch one second of the most popular TV show in Finland either
[06:16] <Myrtti> ok
[06:16] <Myrtti> can I say it now?
[06:17] <Myrtti> ASUS-tek is an idiot. a fool. a moron.
[06:17] <Myrtti> WHAT KIND OF FOOL GIVES THEIR IM ACCOUNTS TO BE FREELY USED BY FRIENDS AND RELATIVES
[06:18] <Myrtti> this idiocy makes my brain hurt
[06:18] <Myrtti> ow ow ow oww
[06:19] <Myrtti> I feel a sudden urge to bludgeon squishy things with a baseball bat
[06:19] <bazhang> save it for netyire
[06:20] <bazhang>  /me'ing around for several hours
[06:21] <Myrtti> I'd put ASUS-tek on ignore, but he GODDAMNIT CHANGES IP'S AND NICKS ALL THE TIME
[06:21] <Myrtti> I've just about had it with him
[06:22]  * Myrtti feels a vein throb on her neck
[06:22] <bazhang> I'm glad not to have privileges in that channel
[06:24] <Myrtti> If I had time, I'd write a complaint about him to some higher up instance like the council and toss the problem of dealing with him politely and nicely to them
[06:24] <Myrtti> I don't have the calmness and objectivity left anymore
[06:24] <Myrtti> and of course
[06:25] <Myrtti> if I'd try to deal with him, he'd just ignore me
[06:25] <Myrtti> well, not ignore, but wouldn't just get it
[06:26] <Myrtti> I honestly don't know what to do with him
[06:26] <bazhang> its the humm..okey?
[06:26] <bazhang> the nick changes?
[06:27] <Myrtti> the nick changes that makes it impossible to ignore him
[06:27] <Myrtti> the creepy remarks about women
[06:27] <bazhang> yeah
[06:27] <bazhang> the 'chicks' comments
[06:27] <Myrtti> the creepy stalking like behaviour towards many channel regulars
[06:27] <bazhang> he does do that
[06:28] <bazhang> kind of forgot in the aftermath of sporty and others
[06:33] <bazhang> imo there should be another operator added to that channel. flannel for example
[06:34] <Myrtti> I wouldn't mind magnetron or someone from the most sensible regular users list
[06:34] <bazhang> the entmoot-like speed of actually adding someone is not that great..
[06:34] <bazhang> hrrrmmm
[06:34] <Myrtti> well he is on my list of more sensible regular users list
[06:35] <Myrtti> don't know about you folks
[06:35] <bazhang> he would be a great choice
[06:35] <bazhang> sensible regular users list ~2
[06:36] <bazhang> he and toplyi
[06:36] <Myrtti> yeah
[06:36] <Myrtti> and I know topyli would decline the offer
[06:37] <bazhang> well the next best to a finn would be a swede then :)
[06:37] <bazhang> those arctic climes keep y'all frosty
[06:38] <Myrtti> if nanonyme would be on the channel nowadays, I'd suggest him
[06:38] <Myrtti> but I know he'd decline too
[06:39] <Myrtti> Finns are always good choice for ops, the culture of IRC is so deeply rooted into our Internet culture that the unwritten and written rules are really stuck on us
[06:39] <bazhang> yep
[06:39] <Myrtti> well, atleast if you're >21yo
[06:39] <Myrtti> younger tend to think of IRC as http://irc.fi
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[06:47] <Myrtti> WOHOOO HE LEFT THE CHANNEL
[06:49] <bazhang> * [l7] (n=l7@evil-wire.org): l7
[06:50] <bazhang> weird isp
[06:59] <Myrtti> not really
[07:01] <bazhang> just paranoid I guess :)
[07:02] <Myrtti> it's about as weird as all vanity domains / shell account hostnames
[07:03] <Myrtti> he's on #maemo as well, and has acted nicely there
[07:16] <elkbuntu> oh not that moron again
[07:16] <ikonia> bazhang: I've made a request for more people to be added in -ot 
[07:17] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: which moron? ;-)
[07:17] <Myrtti> we have so many of them
[07:17] <Myrtti> hard to keep up
[07:17] <bazhang> heh
[07:17] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, hynix
[07:17] <bazhang> ikonia, thanks
[07:17] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: yeah, him again
[07:18] <Myrtti> well, he didn't do nothing bad per se
[07:18] <Myrtti> this time
[07:18] <Myrtti> he's just idiot.
[07:19] <ikonia> is he indian ?
[07:19] <ikonia> or from an indian region?
[07:20] <Myrtti> indian
[07:20] <elkbuntu> he goes by other nicks too
[07:20] <Myrtti> I had him on facebook for a while
[07:20] <Myrtti> with him seeing my restricted profile
[07:20] <Myrtti> now he's on my blocked list
[07:20] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, ... ... ...
[07:21] <elkbuntu> you... added him?
[07:21] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: I know, I'm too nice
[07:21] <Myrtti> he added me
[07:21] <Myrtti> I thought about it for two days and added him with very restricted view to my info
[07:21] <ikonia> putting people like that on your facbook account is inviting trouble
[07:22] <Myrtti> the moment he decided it would be ok to add me on his Skype roster, I had enough
[07:22] <ikonia> you know his behaviour, yet you give him access to your private information, no matter how limited ?
[07:22] <bazhang> should be a zero-tolerance approach to the stalker-y behaviour imo
[07:22] <ikonia> thats not stalking if you accept it
[07:22] <ikonia> your offering your information
[07:23] <bazhang> I mean in the irc channels
[07:23] <Myrtti> well I'm trying to be consistent with my policy about facebook
[07:23] <ikonia> I think you need to be realistic
[07:23] <ikonia> giving your information out to people you know are a pain is inviting trouble
[07:23] <Myrtti> ikonia: why do you think he's on my blocked list now, then?
[07:24] <ikonia> not sure how he got onto your list in the first place
[07:24] <ikonia> it's your business who you allow on your facebook / personal information, but it seems unwise to allow people who are known to the channels any personal information
[07:25] <Myrtti> well I hadn't grasped the whole picture of how annoying he can be before he added me to his skype roster
[07:25] <Myrtti> well
[07:25] <Myrtti> wanted to add
[07:26] <bazhang> regardless
[07:26] <bazhang> my point was about the comments in -ot
[07:26] <bazhang> from anyone
[07:26] <bazhang> cf AtomicSpark earlier
[07:27] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[07:27] <Myrtti> the day isn't starting well
[07:27] <ikonia> bazhang: I've made my feelings on the asues-tek user quite public that he should not be in the ubuntu-offtopic channel due to the number os issues he's caused on a long term basis
[07:28] <bazhang> ikonia, agreed; I feel it should extend well beyond him though
[07:28]  * Myrtti gives up
[07:28] <bazhang> any commentary of that nature just invites further
[07:29] <bazhang> elkbuntu, you are still +o here btw
[07:29] <elkbuntu> liar.
[07:30] <bazhang> hehe
[07:35] <Myrtti> anyway, the moment you manage to convince me ASUS-tek is being what he is with bad intent or breaking the rules on purpose, I'm happy to kick him
[07:36] <Myrtti> and wont look back for a second
[07:36] <bazhang> first creepy comment should be the threshold
[07:36] <bazhang> he has crossed the line already.
[07:37] <bazhang> Myrtti, should not come from you
[07:38] <ikonia> Myrtti: inability to socially interact or repeated inability to follow the guidelines (both which he has shown) suggests he should be removed until he can understand 
[07:38] <bazhang> Myrtti, I agree with your earlier comments about not being objective any more in that regard
[07:38]  * Myrtti lays her gloves on the counter and walks away
[07:39] <bazhang> could be what hobbsee did earlier re: sdlwof/mylogic situation
[07:39] <ikonia> I've been trying for days now with eagles to help him understand why he presents himself as he does, and the bottom line is he knows why, but just doesn't want to fit in because he enjoys the attention it gets
[07:39] <ikonia> I suspect the same is true of asuses-tek
[07:39] <bazhang> temp -operator someone 
[07:39] <ikonia> bazhang: it just needs more active people added to the access list, 
[07:39] <ikonia> which I'll chase up today 
[07:40] <bazhang> at least until the entmoot has decided :)
[07:43] <ikonia> I'd also request a topic change in -ot, to something more clear - eg: offtopic chatter, the rules still apply, etc etc
[07:43] <ikonia> so that it is clear to anyone who reads the topic
[07:44] <bazhang> I disagree.
[07:44] <ikonia> or people can be pointed to the topic
[07:44] <ikonia> oh ?
[07:44] <bazhang> most people ignore that
[07:44] <ikonia> yes they do, but thats not a reason to not have it
[07:44] <Flannel> The first two bits are enough for anyone who pays attention (of course, people who pay attention generally is preaching to choir)
[07:45] <ikonia> Flannel: should just be something more formal to maeke it clear this is sstill an #ubuntu channel and the ubuntu guidelines spirit still applies (in my opinion)
[07:45] <Flannel> ikonia: A link to the IRC guidelines isn't sufficient?
[07:46] <bazhang> okay I see that point
[07:46] <ikonia> Flannel: no no, thats fine, but look at the other stuff
[07:46] <ikonia>  This topic lies on prime days of month, use windows to mark that in youru diary 
[07:46] <bazhang> from a legalistic/guidelines view
[07:46] <bazhang> perhaps something like /msg ubottu o4o if in doubt
[07:47] <ikonia> I don't know, I was only thinking out loud
[07:48] <Flannel> Really, anyone who pays attention to the topic already has a good idea what the channel is about.  New people don't really pay attention to topics, unfortunately.
[07:48] <ikonia> Flannel: I concur 100 
[07:48] <ikonia> %100
[07:48] <ikonia> Flannel: I'm more thinking of a point of stopping the "I didn't know" argument, or the ability to say "check the topic" 
[07:49] <ikonia> so its clear
[07:50] <ikonia> seaves in disguise as "blurry" again in -ot
[07:50] <ikonia> not sure what he's up to 
[07:50] <Flannel> Well, the 'lies on prime days of the month' is a bit deceptive if we're trying to distort the rules, but apart from the removal of that, "check the topic" will satisfy whatever.
[07:51] <ikonia> Flannel: exactly
[07:51] <ikonia> Flannel: just trying to present ourselves as a group a little better
[07:52] <Flannel> As a group... better?
[07:52] <ikonia> eg: you can't say to someone "come on, behave" if the topic's messing around
[07:52] <Flannel> Sure you can.  There's being amusing and having fun, and then being inappropriate.
[07:53] <Flannel> No person whos genuine actually thinks that the rules don't apply on the prime days.
[07:53] <ikonia> well, I see the side of having fun, but I don't see being unclear in the topic as the best way to present the channel
[07:53] <Flannel> Anyone who would cause a problem with that, will find something else to cause a problem with.
[07:53] <Flannel> I'm sure whomever added that added it on a composite day of the month, and just forgot to remove it.
[07:53] <ikonia> I don't disagree on that, I just feel it's sonething that can be used as a another pointless argument
[07:54] <ikonia> yes, I don't think it's intentional, just an oversight
[07:54] <ikonia> hence the request
[07:55] <ikonia> maybe I'm a tad on the left side of this because I actually read channel topics
[08:01] <bazhang> heh
[08:01] <bazhang> the only user on all of irc
[08:02] <ikonia> don't mind being wrong, just giving an opinion
[08:02] <bazhang> just kidding
[08:02] <ikonia> it's a valid point that not many people do 
[08:03] <bazhang> sorry to joke and run..
[08:03] <bazhang> but your point applies no doubt
[08:03] <ikonia> maybe, maybe not
[08:03] <bazhang> especially when in terms of conflict resolution
[08:03] <bazhang> uh I didnt know?!?
[08:04] <bazhang> a backstop so to speak.
[08:04] <bazhang> back in a bit
[08:04] <ikonia> Flannel make a valid point that anyone who uses the current topic as an excuse is already going to have ten other options in reserve
[08:04] <bazhang> yep
[08:04] <ikonia> catch you later
[11:35] <ikonia> annoyed now with that guy trying to direct the porn searcher to -offtopic
[11:35] <bazhang> yep
[11:36] <ikonia> so easy to just hit !offtopic to anything without thinking it through
[11:36] <bazhang> that is true
[11:40] <ikonia> this guy is getting really annoying now
[11:40] <ikonia> trying to justify porn sites as valid
[11:41] <bazhang> although given the state of -ot recently..
[11:42] <elkbuntu> ikonia, another troll from the wikipedia/baby-dangling crap of today's headlines?
[11:42] <ikonia> not read them
[11:42] <bazhang> he did finally drop it though, after getting in the last word of course
[11:42] <ikonia> is this the scorpions album
[11:45] <ikonia> this guys is border line on trolling
[11:46] <ikonia> it's not hard to grasp porn = no discussion
[11:46] <bazhang> well dont feed :)
[11:46] <ikonia> I refuse to have him justify it to the channel
[11:46] <bazhang> just let me chat with him for a second
[11:49] <bazhang> he admits to doing it without thinking
[11:49] <bazhang> it happened in a split second
[11:49] <ikonia> of coruse
[11:49] <ikonia> it wasn't intentional
[11:49] <ikonia> no-one said it was
[11:49] <ikonia> I asked him to think about it
[11:49] <ikonia> and he started justfiying it like he meant to do it
[11:49] <bazhang> probably !coc or !guidelines if the guy was around long enough to see them
[11:49] <ikonia> (which I know he didn't as it was auto pilot)
[11:50] <ikonia> instead of just syaing "yup" no problem, he went on "well who are you to censor speach" etc etc
[11:50] <bazhang> just got his back up for being called out on it initially
[11:50] <ikonia> well thats tough
[11:50] <bazhang> but buzukelis was not around long enough so its moot at this point
[11:50] <ikonia> everyone makes mistakes, eg: autopilot !offtopic
[11:51] <ikonia> I agree, it just took "no problem"
[11:51] <bazhang> I've done it before
[11:51] <ikonia> rather than "well, porn is an acceptable search, and freespeach is aillgal in some countries are you giong to censor that2
[11:51] <bazhang> sometimes its tough to get that !coc out instead
[11:51] <ikonia> I've done it
[11:51] <ikonia> every's done it, 
[11:51] <bazhang> yep
[11:51] <ikonia> everyone
[11:51] <ikonia> I know it was an accident
[11:51] <ikonia> but he started defending it like he meant to do it
[11:52] <ikonia> as I said "no problem" was all he needed to say
[11:52] <bazhang> well some folks dont take criticism kindly in a big channel like that.
[11:52] <bazhang> it happens
[11:52] <ikonia> of course it does
[11:52] <ikonia> but he didn't even drop me a pm saying that
[11:52] <ikonia> just went off ranting about censorshop and freesepach
[11:52] <ikonia> if he felt argived I would apologise no problem
[11:53] <ikonia> but he didn't he pretended he did it on purpose
[11:53] <ikonia> then changed to an accident (I knew it was an accident)
[11:53] <bazhang> sure
[11:53] <bazhang> he got his back up ie defensive
[11:53] <bazhang> on being criticised
[11:54] <ikonia> I see that, but he still kept going
[11:54] <bazhang> I once got into a pretty heated argument with elky in #u
[11:55] <bazhang> pre-operator days :)
[11:55] <ikonia> I've done it with people, it's not wrong to disagree
[11:55] <bazhang> miracle I survived :)
[11:56] <bazhang> no, but in my case I got defensive unneccesarily 
[11:57] <bazhang> as did joaopinto in this case
[11:57] <ikonia> I've done it too
[11:57] <ikonia> it's easy done if you think your right, or the other person can't see your point of view
[11:57] <ikonia> but as he said, it was an accident, so he knows it was wrong, but then went of on censorship
[11:57] <bazhang> true
[11:57] <ikonia> there wasn't a right/wrong to it
[11:57] <bazhang> absolutely
[11:58] <ikonia> I could understand it if he disageed/thought I couldn't see his view point, but there was no view point, he did an autopilot thing, (no problem) and was asked to think a bit more before trigger it
[11:58] <ikonia> hence why it was so frustrating as he started making up arguemnts
[11:59] <ikonia> there wasn't an argument to be had
[11:59] <bazhang> dont respond now please
[11:59] <ikonia> I smell your hand there
[11:59] <ikonia> sorry I'd typed a nice response befor eyou said that
[12:00] <ikonia> I sense your grooming hand at the helm there
[12:00] <bazhang> just following your and flannel's lead
[12:00] <ikonia> ??
[12:01] <bazhang> with joaopinto?
[12:01] <bazhang> or icesword
[12:01] <ikonia> our lead, I don't think I've ever spoke to him before
[12:01] <bazhang> oh
[12:01] <ikonia> I know the nick iceword, but dno't remember him
[12:02] <bazhang> no, I mean as far as conflict resolution
[12:02] <ikonia> ooh
[12:02] <ikonia> well, it was a nice gesture he made, even with your hand guiding him
[12:02] <ikonia> not-needed, but still appriciated
[12:02] <bazhang> I said nothing to him
[12:02] <ikonia> Hmmm ;)
[12:02] <bazhang> just drop it, which he completely ignored :(
[12:03] <ikonia> oh, well in that case kudos to him
[12:03] <bazhang> hehe
[12:03] <bazhang> there is the whole language barrier thing as well
[12:03] <bazhang> he is native brasilian
[12:03] <ikonia> yes, I did pick up on that a bit
[12:25] <ikonia> !usb
[12:26] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:26] <ikonia> hello
[12:26] <ikonia> @login
[12:26] <Nafallo> should that one be renamed !oldusb and !usb point to usb-creator? ;-)
[12:26] <Nafallo> might make sense actually :-
[12:26] <Nafallo> )
[12:27] <ikonia> Nafallo: I'm thinking of something like !usb-install and !usb-installer
[12:27] <ikonia> so that a "to" a usb stick is different from a "from a usb media"
[12:27] <ikonia> not worded great in that factoid
[12:28] <Nafallo> that would probably make sense. might want to distict the two a bit further than two additional chars though? :-)
[12:28] <ikonia> Nafallo yes, bad example
[12:28] <Nafallo> !usb-creator
[12:28] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:28] <Nafallo> easy to remember
[12:29] <ikonia> usb-creator, isn't that the application though
[12:29] <ikonia> that would be a 3rd factoid
[12:29] <Nafallo> that is the application indeed :-)
[12:30] <Nafallo> I should know, since I had to read the sourcecode the other day to fight a false fact in -se ;-)
[12:30] <ikonia> write a quick descrption then and lets bot it up
[12:31] <ikonia> seeing as you know it well ;)
[12:31] <elkbuntu> ok, paddy_eire has just officially creeped me out
[12:31] <ikonia> what's up
[12:31] <ikonia> (not been following)
[12:32] <elkbuntu> see -ot
[12:32] <elkbuntu> read up to about *:26
[12:33] <ikonia> have you ever asked to see a picture of him before ?
[12:33] <elkbuntu> never.
[12:33] <Nafallo> usb-creator is a simple application to help you make a bootable usb-stick from an ubuntu isofile. You may find it under System/Administration
[12:33] <Nafallo> usb-creator is a simple application to help you make a bootable usb-stick from an ubuntu isofile. You may find it under System/Administration/ even
[12:34] <ikonia> Nafallo: do you suggest usb-creator or boot-usb
[12:34] <elkbuntu> ikonia, hence why the random pic showing then whinging when i dont express appreciation is creepy
[12:34] <ikonia> elkbuntu: most odd
[12:34] <Nafallo> ikonia: usb-creator. boot-usb sounds more like instructions for setting up the BIOS correctly :-)
[12:34] <Nafallo> at least to me
[12:35] <ikonia> Nafallo seems sensible
[12:35] <elkbuntu> rght, i should at least go to bed on time, and hence i bid you adieu
[12:35] <ikonia> night
[12:37] <ikonia> damn you ubottu
[12:37] <ikonia> Nafallo: does that read right though ?
[12:38] <Nafallo> except the even shouldn't be on the end :-)
[12:38] <ikonia> ah
[12:38] <ikonia> I quite like it with even
[12:38] <ikonia> but your right
[12:38] <Nafallo> that or the System
[12:38] <Nafallo> like in being specific about what menu it is :-)
[12:38] <ikonia> Nafallo i quite like it saying it may be under System -> aministration
[12:39] <ikonia> "it will be under" probablty better
[12:39] <Nafallo> the System -> Administration. well. not sure. English isn't my first language :-)
[12:39] <ikonia> "the system - administration menu2
[12:40] <Nafallo> well. it is a may, since it's not necessarily installed everywhere :-)
[12:40] <ikonia> I'll drop the may
[12:40] <Nafallo> oki
[15:44] <jpds> Hello from UDS.
[15:45] <ikonia> hi !
[15:45] <ikonia> you lucky rat how di dyou get there
[15:46] <jpds> ...well the hotel actually.
[15:46] <jpds> Got a flight.
[15:46] <Pici> jpds: Which hotel?
[15:46] <ikonia> still, you jammy thing
[15:46] <ikonia> well done
[15:46] <ikonia> Pici: I assume you are there ?
[15:46] <Pici> I am :)
[15:46] <ikonia> another jammy rat
[15:46] <jpds> Pici: Domain.
[15:48] <Pici> jpds: I'm at the other one, Wild Palms
[15:49] <jpds> Pici: Come over, it's fun.
[15:49] <Pici> jpds: How are you getting to Google from there?
[15:49] <jpds> Pici: You looked over the schedule?
[15:50] <Pici> I did.
[15:50] <jpds> Pici: We have a shuttle at 8:15.
[15:50] <Pici> ooh.
[15:51] <Pici> I dont think we do, or at least I don't know about it
[15:51] <Pici> I think I'll take a walk then
[17:07] <LjL> !info tilp2
[17:07] <LjL> i'd really like to have back the implicit !info...
[17:10] <Hobbsee> bazhang: oh?
[17:52] <ikonia> Hobbsee: got moment for a quick pm ?
[17:57] <Hobbsee> ikonia: yes, although i'm at UDS
[17:57] <ikonia> it's only a quicky
[18:00] <LjL> who's "ubuntu-ops"?
[18:01] <Pici> eh?
[18:02] <LjL> Pici: /ns info #ubuntu-ops, it's got access in #uds
[18:02] <LjL> err, /ns info ubuntu-ops
[18:02] <Pici> last address = ompaul, ask him.
[18:02] <Pici> I suspect its been around for longer than the ircc has.
[18:03] <LjL> Pici: never been any widely used though
[18:03] <Pici> LjL: Well, if someone can login as it (or is a staffer), they can see where it does have access.
[18:03] <LjL> might not be a tremendously bad idea to resurrect it though
[18:06] <LjL> for that matter, it wouldn't be awful if nickserv and chanserv recognized a concept of groups
[18:09] <Pici> Any idea if thats a feature in the new ircd?
[18:10] <LjL> Pici, i don't think the new ircd changes anything in the services (given they've just beed changed)
[18:10] <PriceChild> Pici: that will be part of a separate project.
[18:10] <Pici> PriceChild: okay
[18:11]  * PriceChild tries to find it
[18:11] <PriceChild> Pici: http://svn.freenode.net/gms/
[18:11] <Pici> PriceChild: Ah, part of the web based management stuffs 
[18:12] <PriceChild> mmhm
[18:12] <PriceChild> help is always welcome ;)
[18:13] <Pici> I don't know php... but I know someone who does..
[18:15]  * LjL totally ignores what you're talking about
[18:15] <LjL> anyway, ok with the web management, but it certainly needs new services too?
[18:17] <Pici> Not necessarily.
[18:26] <LjL> ok i've registered the ubuntu-ops nickname
[18:26] <LjL> now i'll spam you with memoservs containing its password
[18:26] <ikonia> how delightful
[18:27] <ikonia> ntohing like a good spamming
[18:53] <ikonia> LjL: your quick today
[18:58] <Mez> #uds = restricted?
[18:59] <PriceChild> Mez: it forwards to the other?
[18:59] <Mez> nope, kicks me and says I need to be invited
[18:59] <Mez> ah, I'm +Q
[19:01] <PriceChild> LjL: who has access to ubuntu-ops? :/
[19:02] <LjL> PriceChild: the whole irc team, or at least that's the idea
[19:02] <LjL> PriceChild: of course whether or not to add it to access lists is entirely the prerogative of channel founders
[19:02] <LjL> just as with uic
[19:15] <ikonia> LjL: best kick message in a while
[19:22] <Mez> hmm, does anyone know how to setup a tunnel so my home PC connects to my server, and then a port on my server is mapped to my home PC?
[19:23] <jdong> Mez: sounds like a job for SSH
[19:23] <jdong> I'm guessing your home PC is in a NAT?
[19:25] <Mez> jdong, yeah
[19:25] <Mez> and I think I worked it out
[19:25] <jdong> ok :0
[19:26] <jdong> I was going to suggest (1) home$ ssh server -R 1234:localhost:22
[19:26] <jdong> then ssh to server
[19:26] <jdong> and then on server ssh to localhost -p 1234
[19:26] <Mez> ssh -R I need it to be accessible to others
[19:26] <jdong> then you can directly stop at (1)
[19:26] <jdong> an make sure port 1234 is accessible through your server's firewall if there is one :)
[19:27] <Mez> jdong: that wont work will it?
[19:28] <jdong> why won't it?
[19:28] <Mez> :localhost: will bind it to lo
[19:28] <jdong> no, -R's syntax is [remote_host:]remote_port:localaddress:localport
[19:29] <jdong> i.e. it listens to 0.0.0.0:1234 on server, which maps to localhost:22 on home.
[19:30] <jdong> oh sorry, remote_host defaults to 127.0.0.1
[19:30] <jdong> so -R 0.0.0.0:1234:localhost:22 is correct
[19:30]  * jdong smacks himself for not RTFMing
[19:31] <Mez> still doesnt seem to work
[19:36]  * Mez reboots SSH
[19:37] <Mez> jdong: thanks, was an issue with my SSH config ;)
[19:37] <Mez> http://torpor.sourceguru.net:4444/ now works
[20:12] <Mez> LjL: Floodbot is a little trigger happy with the flood warnings today
[22:40]  * jussi01 waves
[22:55]  * Mez waves back
[22:58] <jussi01> heya Mez, hows things?
[23:05]  * genii sips
[23:08] <geeksquad> i need help with a ban
[23:09] <geeksquad> it has benn 1 week
[23:10] <geeksquad> is anyone on?
[23:11] <Pici> What channel?
[23:11] <geeksquad> #ubuntu
[23:11] <Seeker`> why were you banne
[23:11] <Seeker`> and who banned you?
[23:12] <geeksquad> i had a question and a op said he would not answer it so i asked someone else and he banned me
[23:13] <geeksquad> Myritti i think
[23:14] <Seeker`> what was the question?
[23:15] <geeksquad> how do you make your uid 0
[23:17] <geeksquad> i had a diffrent nickname though but this one was not to evade the ban
[23:18] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[23:18] <geeksquad> ?
[23:18] <Seeker`> what was the nick?
[23:19] <geeksquad> thegeek or geek 64 not sure witch
[23:19] <geeksquad> geek 64 without the space
[23:19] <Seeker`> hmm, ubottu is ignoring me
[23:20] <geeksquad> geek64is what i think it is
[23:20] <geeksquad> thats a first
[23:20] <geeksquad> did you put a ! infront
[23:20] <jussi01> Seeker`: @login
[23:20] <Seeker`> @login
[23:20] <Seeker`> tried that in PM,got no reponse
[23:21] <jussi01> now try
[23:21] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[23:21] <Seeker`> mwahahahaha
[23:21] <Seeker`> I mean, it worked
[23:21] <jussi01> better?
[23:21] <geeksquad> whats that  do
[23:21] <jussi01> lol
[23:21] <jussi01> Ive got lag
[23:22] <geeksquad> Seeker' are u there
[23:22] <jussi01> geeksquad: give him a minute
[23:23] <geeksquad> ok
[23:24] <Seeker`> geeksquad: The comment on the ban is "see a banevasion here"
[23:24] <geeksquad> no it was "try a ban evasion on that"
[23:25] <geeksquad> witch got me mad
[23:25] <Seeker`> no, it was "see a ban evasion here"
[23:26] <geeksquad> maybe im mistaken
[23:27] <geeksquad> you should check the logs
[23:27] <geeksquad> it was last week
[23:27] <Seeker`> it looks like youwere told to come back in 3 weeks
[23:27] <geeksquad> that was in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:28] <Seeker`> the bantracker shows you being banned in #ubuntu
[23:28] <Pici> And -ot
[23:28] <geeksquad> and offtopic
[23:29] <geeksquad> but the are both 3 weeks
[23:29] <Seeker`> has it been 3 weeks since the ban?
[23:29] <geeksquad> witch one
[23:29] <Seeker`> either of them
[23:30] <geeksquad> none it has been 3 weeks one was 1 day before thanksgiving it is the -ot one
[23:31] <Seeker`> all of your bans show up as being placed on the 26th november
[23:31] <geeksquad> the bantracker has a glitch then
[23:32] <geeksquad> cause the -ot was on the week of thanksgiving
[23:32] <Seeker`> you need to speak to Myrtti or LjL then
[23:32] <geeksquad> are they on
[23:32] <Seeker`> LjL is, dont know if he is about
[23:33] <Seeker`> jussi01: any comments?
[23:33] <geeksquad> LjL i need to speak to you
[23:33] <geeksquad> and Seeker` what does @btlogin do im just curious
[23:34] <Seeker`> logs me in to the bantracker
[23:34] <geeksquad> oh
[23:35] <geeksquad> is it for ops only
[23:35] <Seeker`> yes
[23:35] <geeksquad> ok
[23:35] <geeksquad> and on chanserv i see unban whats that do
[23:36] <Seeker`> what do you think?
[23:36] <geeksquad> unbans you but is that ops only
[23:36] <Seeker`> what do you think?
[23:36] <geeksquad> yes
[23:36] <geeksquad> am i right
[23:36] <Seeker`> yes
[23:36] <geeksquad> ok
[23:37] <geeksquad> can you email me at champster@ymail.com when myrriti and LjL are on and active
[23:37] <Pici> You were banned on the 3rd for ban evasion, the only reason that it was noticed was because you had asked for support on something that we highly suggested that you not do.
[23:38] <geeksquad> but i was experimenting
[23:38] <geeksquad> i just forgot to tell myrtti
[23:38] <Pici> Experimenting by evading the ban placed on the 26th?
[23:38] <geeksquad> no
[23:39] <Seeker`> geeksquad: you were banned on the 26th, and told to come back in 3 weeks
[23:39] <Seeker`> you were then bakc in #ubuntu on 3rd december, which is certainly not 3 weeks later
[23:40] <geeksquad> and when i first went here and talked to LjL he said the ban was first 1 week so thats what i think the ubuntu ban is
[23:40] <Seeker`> it would probably be advisable to come back 3 weeks from the 26th november and speak to LjL or Myrtti about it then
[23:40] <Pici> Indeed.
[23:40] <geeksquad> whens that
[23:40] <Seeker`> bugging them about it sooner will most likely make the ban longer
[23:41] <Seeker`> 17th December
[23:41] <geeksquad> witch got the -ot ban from 1 to 3
[23:43] <LjL> too late.
[23:43] <LjL> this is the 3 weeks ban?
[23:43] <LjL> i should update the comment to say 5 weeks. i hadn't updated it when it became 4 weeks.
[23:44] <Seeker`> LjL: when did it become 4 weeks?
[23:44] <LjL> Seeker`: last time he came here
[23:45] <Seeker`> fair enough
[23:45] <Seeker`> its really difficult to tell people to "go away" when I have no power to do so
[23:45] <LjL> heh i know
[23:46] <Seeker`> on the other hand, I have no power to unban people
[23:46] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops geeksquad So, five weeks now.
[23:46] <Seeker`> so its pointless in them trying to convince themto do so
[23:46] <Seeker`> s/2nd them/me
[23:48] <Seeker`> what is the in=channel ocmmand for searching for bans?
[23:48] <Seeker`> -typos
[23:49] <LjL> @bansearch ljl
[23:49] <LjL> not necessarily in channel, you can use it in query too
[23:49] <Seeker`> ty