[00:01] poke rgreening, nixternal, seele, tonio kubuntu session [00:04] Riddell, do you mind if I upload a python-qt4 package? [00:05] * NCommander notes that we have a bit of an issue with KDE libs and ARM and a possible transition ... [00:05] NCommander: not if it fixes things [00:05] Riddell: [00:06] Riddell, wait, what? [00:08] NCommander: if you fix things uploading the fix is good :) [00:08] But you just said if it fixes things, don't upload :-P [00:08] Riddell, anyway, I'm having ARM build issues ... again [00:11] Riddell, https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive [00:11] er [00:11] er [00:11] NCommander: I said I don't mind uploads if it fixes things [00:16] directhex: hey, you there? [00:16] Riddell, StevenK is doing a test build on real hardware for me [00:19] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs [00:19] pokey pokey [00:20] * DaSkreech pokes nixternal With stick of Doooooooooom [00:20] FireRabbit, ? [00:21] hey there is a typo in qyoto.pc [00:21] the libs path is wrong [00:22] directhex: If you agree, just push it in bzr and I'll merge it. [00:22] FireRabbit, i haven't touched it - i didn't think pusling took on my pc files0 [00:22] debian does not ship a pc file [00:23] it needs to be added upstream.. but until then.. the package is broken for now [00:24] if the path is wrong in qyoto.pc, then it should be pretty trivial to fix [00:25] yes should take 10 seconds :) [00:26] i don't have any of my bzr nonsense here on this box - easiest for you to fix [00:27] OK. Somebodby pastebin me the diff and I'll get it in bzr [00:32] ScottK-laptop: http://gist.github.com/33700 [00:33] hm you know that version needs to change too [00:34] directhex: ^^ Do you agree with that change? [00:34] (reload it) [00:34] Why is the version 4.3/4.4? I'd have expected 4.1 or 4.2? [00:35] its qt 4.4 [00:35] i dont know why the install dir is kdebindings-4.4 [00:35] Ah. OK. That almost makes sense. [00:35] * ScottK-laptop waits for confirmation from directhex. [00:35] FireRabbit, because the assembly version is 4.4.0.0 presumably [00:35] yes the assembly version is 4.4.0.0 [00:36] * ScottK-laptop still waits for confirmation. [00:37] i'm checking [00:37] Thanks [00:38] cp obj-*-linux-gnu*/lib/qt-dotnet.dll debian/libqyoto4.4-cil/usr/lib/cli/kdebindings-4.4/ [00:39] okay, yes, that adds up then [00:39] So I need to change rules too? [00:42] directhex: ^^? [00:43] ScottK-laptop, no, that's from the build log [00:43] Ah. OK. [00:44] ScottK-laptop, i.e. FireRabbit's change is needed to match that build log [00:44] directhex: OK. I'll make the change. [00:47] FireRabbit: What's your actual name so I can credit you in debian/chanagelog [00:48] Eric Butler [00:48] Thanks [00:48] thanks for fixing it [00:51] FireRabbit: I'm not going to upload it right now (it's a big package to build). I'm putting the change in bzr so it'll be in the next upload when we get to it. [00:51] sounds good [00:52] rgreening: txwikinger apparently has info on how to make python apps into kcm modules [00:52] or at least was pointed in that direction by sime :P [00:53] hai [00:53] vorian: y hello thar [00:54] how goes it JontheEchidna! [00:54] wishing I was at UDS [00:54] lol [00:54] yeah, me too! [00:54] stupid boss [00:55] vorian: Ask your boss to come to Camp KDE :0 [00:56] when is that? [00:56] Jan [00:56] http:// camp.kde.org [00:58] oh! [00:58] maybe [00:58] two people talking at once... confusing [00:59] JontheEchidna: cool. That's awesome. I'll ping him on it [00:59] rgreening: /me waves to everyone [01:00] JontheEchidna: you listening? [01:00] ya [01:00] o/ waves back [01:01] directhex and FireRabbit: Pushed up to revision 8. [01:01] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebindings/ubuntu/annotate/8?file_id=qyoto.pc-20081202130636-qf2gdt7wssmot037-52 [01:08] vorian: :-D [01:19] ScottK, good good [01:30] rgreening: you should use a checkbox for the incoming traffic option [01:32] seele: you mean for the default policy? [01:34] for ufw-kde [01:34] seele: possibly. That would clean up the UI a bit... only thing is it's not really an on/off conceptually.. so it may be confusing to the user... [01:34] it's either or [01:34] you allow incoming traffic or you dont [01:34] on/off, yes/no, enabled/disabled [01:34] checkboxes mean all that [01:34] and they are opposite options [01:36] seele: yeah... ok, let me have a look at that. I may need to do some re-wording to ensure the context and implications are clear. thanks [01:36] sure, it's just a suggestion [01:36] :) [01:36] anyone feel like fixing the KDE 4.1.80 -dev packages? :) [01:37] they're broken? [01:38] oh, file conflicts with pkg-kde-tools? [01:38] It's fixed in Jaunty. I think it's just the PPA needs fixing. [01:38] I think they are, or it's my PPA that's broken [01:38] yeah, using the experimental PPA packages [01:39] problems with kdebase-workspace-dev [01:39] anyone care about 4.1.3 in intrepid? [01:40] Riddell: Yes. [01:40] I'm still running 4.1.3, just building something in .80 [01:40] Riddell: I have to leave now to go recover $ELDEST_CHILD from work, but would be glad to discuss later. [01:42] when isKDE 4.1.4 due ? [01:43] DaSkreech: tagging is wednesday [01:43] da10th :P [01:43] DaSkreech: december 17th [01:43] ok [01:43] fells late [01:43] feels [01:45] no kidding.. feels like 9 *yawn* [01:49] almost time for dinner some place [01:50] ScottK: it's still in -proposed, it needs someone to comment on the bugs in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru/+bugs?field.bug_reporter=jr that they're all good [01:50] then poke pitti to copy it over [01:53] seele: I updated and committed the UI change :) thanks. I think it will work better. [01:53] rgreening: sweet [01:55] seele: you know, I always ended up pronouncing pidgen "pigden" ... haha dont know why. Dyslexic [01:56] its cause you are canadian eh [01:56] I think I should write a clone called pigden. write it in perl so its completed unreadable [01:56] rgreening: hmm.. i wonder if i pronounce the d or if i say it like pigeon [01:57] i always ignore the d [01:58] I miss my MSN in Kopete [01:58] isnt there a thread on that on kubuntu-devel [01:59] yep [01:59] msn is broken in kopete? [01:59] yep [01:59] no plugin [01:59] * rgreening cries [01:59] or something like that [01:59] oh 4.2 [01:59] damn.. that sucks. i need msn for work [02:01] yep. libmsn missing from debian [02:02] I can sync that from incoming I guess [02:02] except, we're just leaving [02:02] someone remind me to do that tonight [02:03] ** https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyGapAnalysis [02:04] please review ^^ [02:07] Adept [02:28] Riddell: libmsn is in Debian New currently. [02:35] Riddell: When I did this for 3.5.10 in Hardy I did one bug for the whole thing .... [02:44] Riddell: They all have at least one "works for me" comment now. [02:53] Hmm, looks like we have our work cut out for us for Jaunty [02:54] lots o' stuff to go after [03:27] ScottK: pitti said it needed one bug per package, which seems daft t ome [03:27] ScottK: excellent, I shall remind him over dinner to get it moved [03:40] Riddell: Your mistake was asking in advance ... [03:49] mmm [03:50] we forgot to include apturl in our session today, we should make sure to get that in [03:59] Riddell: Would you please do the sync for mlt++ in Bug 306257? I need it as a build-dep for getting kdenlive to the KDE4 version. [03:59] Launchpad bug 306257 in mlt++ "Please sync mlt++ 0.3.2-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/306257 [06:08] evening jpds === glade88|ZzZ is now known as glade88 === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde === glade88 is now known as glade88|AFK === glade88|AFK is now known as glade88 [15:10] * a|wen finally got his MSN support back in kopete, yay! [16:39] JontheEchidna: I cannot reproduce it.. Shall I mark it as "fixed released" ? === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [17:08] Riddell: about soyuz and neon: I noticed that multiple PPA's per user/team would make sense, quite some people broke their installation because they were upgrading while I wasn't finished rolling the intrepid stack [17:10] mcas: pong [17:10] apachelogger: hi [17:11] sorry to late apachelogger [17:12] meh :P [17:16] glade88: ya, you can mark it fixed [17:16] JontheEchidna: ok :) === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [17:29] the system settings module for nepomuk and strigi says that the "strigi service is not running" [17:29] how should i enable it? [17:29] don't [17:29] just don't :P [17:29] why [17:30] because I've never seen strigi running without using all your CPU and creating really big cache [17:30] and that currently there is almost no way to use it [17:30] truths^ [17:30] I have had a multiple GiB cache come from enabling strigi [17:31] I think krunner might let you search for files if strigi is enabled, but that's it, and it probably does not work great too [17:31] (krunner=ALT+F2) [17:37] WTF [17:37] i didnt change anything @ krunner options [17:37] just viewed them [17:37] but it broke something [17:37] it displays some excessive popup on the side [17:37] that's really annoying [17:39] WTF [17:39] how did that just happen [17:39] it looks like a feature or smth, cuz it looks designed [17:40] but no way did i enable something [17:40] it's quicksand [17:40] (I guess) [17:40] configure --> user interface --> command oriented [17:41] no, i tried it, but then turned back to the "command oriented" stuff [17:41] to get back to the normal stuff [17:41] but those popups now appear beside the normal stuff [17:41] go try it [17:42] oh god :/ [18:26] someone please ping me when rgreeneg shows up [18:27] Nightrose, he's here in the room somewhere [18:28] NCommander: ah tell him i talked to someone yesterday also interested in a good twitter client - probably a good idea to work together [18:30] collaboration-- [18:30] causes less clearity in copyright :P === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK-laptop === hunger is now known as Guest20145 === hunger_ is now known as hunger === blizzzek is now known as blizzz [19:27] Nightrose: Amarok is not listed as a supported player on icecast.com. It's working great for me to listen to UDS stuff. Someone from Amarok might want to disucss that with them. [19:27] ScottK-laptop: amarok 1 or 2? [19:28] Amarok 1. [19:28] ok thx [19:28] I'm using the released Intrepid package. [19:28] ok [19:28] Why wouldn't it work? [19:29] It would and does, but it's not listed as a supported player. [19:29] ScottK-laptop: UDS stuff? [19:29] Yeah. [19:29] http://icecast.ubuntu.com/ [19:30] nice [19:30] nowadays, everyone got icecast because that fluendo stuff is not working :P [19:31] Dirac!! [19:32] DaSkreech: looks more like a video codec? [19:33] Ah right :) I just remember it being Open source DRM [19:34] lot of discussion on installer on identi.ca follow udsdesktop right now [19:34] also gobby page, connect to gobby.ubuntu.com [19:37] What should I subscribe to? [19:38] Anyone on enabling trusted third party repositories? [19:38] kubuntu jaunty installer or something like that [19:38] Which brings me to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695 [19:38] Is that official? ^^^ [19:39] DaSkreech: more offical then before [19:39] *than [19:39] Yeah I'm on all the kubuntu stuff :-) I meant anything else interesting [19:39] * apachelogger needs to review the source again [19:40] So should I be on the third party repository gobby discussion so that we can look at supporting community KDE3 ? [19:40] if someone can monitor the ppa, that is not much of a problem [19:40] but apparently no one has time for that [19:41] Well that would be the >trusted< part of the repository [19:41] At what point do we trust them? [19:44] well, this should have planed better... IMHO they are trusted when >=MOTU monitors the changes and is able to kick stuff out (i.e. has upload rights) [19:44] apachelogger: does that come with setting up a PPA ? [19:45] if you set it up for a team, yes, but that ppa is setup for a user [19:45] so the upload part doesn't apply [19:46] hmm ok [19:47] Maybe we can ask if they would like to be a team effort? [19:48] DaSkreech: we already contacted once, but I had to leave so I couldn't participate in the discussion [19:49] Can someone change the session to kubuntu-jaunty-installer :) [19:49] instead of kunbuntu ? [19:49] evil typo [19:53] Riddell: Is there still plans for edubuntu-desktop-kde ? [19:53] rgreening: KDE 4 got it's own space indicater, which is by design superior to the cairo one, you'd just need to add multi-color support to the widget [19:54] It's still in Ibex but is it still just you maintaining it? [19:59] DaSkreech: not really [19:59] Hmm ok [19:59] No plans for marble in kunbuntu installer? [20:00] marble in installer would be cool but not actually at all useful to anyone and takes up space on the CD [20:00] would be a bit overkill [20:00] ok :) [20:00] sorry I missed the Kubuntu packaging one, I was following the archive reorg which != fun [20:00] Well all I want is that when you click it zooms in [20:00] that's neat in Gnome but never happened in KDE [20:01] it's not neat in gnome [20:01] it is the worst possible implementation of zoom IMHO [20:05] apachelogger: cool. I'll ad it. [20:06] yeah their zoom in is horrible [20:06] it should work far more sanely [20:07] Nightrose: ping [20:07] it's only people who live in the caribbean who need zoom in really [20:07] rgreening: pong [20:07] hey Nightrose [20:07] haha Riddell [20:08] having fun at uds? [20:08] Nightrose: yes [20:08] :) [20:08] meanies! [20:08] wanna be there as well [20:08] to bad you weren't here to bug :P [20:08] :( [20:08] but well i got to spend a weekend in the kde office instead :P [20:08] Riddell: I think the primary usecase is for people with visual impairment [20:08] that was much more fun i am sure [20:09] hehe [20:09] Nightrose: more geeks = more fun [20:09] rgreening: anyway... - the kde office manager's bf is a mac guy - and we managed to make him want to contribute to kde [20:09] Might ask TheMuso for a usability review then. [20:09] rgreening: and the thing he wants to do is a twitter client using the ruby bindings [20:09] he is a real twitter addict so i think that will work out fine [20:10] wanna join him? [20:11] oh and he installed kubuntu yesterday [20:11] \o/ [20:11] Nightrose: cool. [20:12] Nightrose: there exists one in python gtk, so I was going to look at using that... [20:12] doen't plasma already have a twitter client? [20:12] Riddell: it is horrible [20:12] Riddell: it's bad [20:12] :) [20:12] gwibber is a much better client for twitter/identi.ca [20:12] rgreening: let me get you his twitter nick then you can msg him - sec [20:12] Riddell: although, someone with commit to kde could update with patches I suppose... if I fixed it [20:13] but gwibber is gtk only [20:13] jjesse-dell9: yes, it would need porting to qt/kde [20:13] jjesse-dell9: segfault is looking for someone to do a Qt frontend [20:13] jjesse-dell9: which is what I was thinkin [20:14] rgreening: http://twitter.com/purzelrakete <- that is the guy [20:14] cool [20:14] rgreening: tell him i send you then he'll know :) [20:14] ok [20:17] NCommander: How goes python-qt4 porting? [20:19] ScottK-laptop: I've done some work, I'm waiting on StevenK to finish a build for me. [20:19] OK. === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [20:21] mcasadevall: for the time being, I"m on this nick, my NCommande r session is currently on the projector [20:23] NCommander: why are you using xfce? [20:23] oops, just made the projector blink :p [20:24] thank goodness there wasn't a libnotify popup on that one :) [20:24] nixternal: I've always used Xfce ... [20:25] ... [20:25] I am cold [20:25] apachelogger: I will keep you warm! [20:25] I switch to GNOME and KDE [20:25] uhhhh [20:25] But Xfce been my main desktop for a very long time. [20:28] DaSkreech: you are now my usecase for the installer spec :) [20:28] heehee :) [20:29] I live in the Caribbean :) [20:29] Tm_T: Hey :0 [20:29] exactly [20:29] Isn't there a libgwibber? [20:30] * apachelogger saddles his pony to get some tea [20:31] apachelogger: did you see my question from cprov? [20:35] Riddell: did you see my answer :P [20:36] Riddell: about soyuz and neon: I noticed that multiple PPA's per user/team would make sense, quite some people broke their installation because they were upgrading while I wasn't finished rolling the intrepid stack [20:37] yes that would seem nice === alexander_ is now known as Xand3r [20:38] apachelogger: you could stage in your personal PPA then copy [20:38] * mcasadevall does that with Xfce updates [20:38] mcasadevall: people also use my personal PPA [20:38] apachelogger: so make another group :-) [20:38] * mcasadevall runs [20:38] * DaSkreech talks here since the gobby server is dead :( [20:39] :P [20:39] Is wifi part of the catch up? [20:39] wifi? [20:39] Yeah [20:39] catch up? [20:39] /usr/bin/batl10n:58:in `initialize': No such file or directory - ./debian/control (Errno::ENOENT) [20:39] wasn't there a problem with static IPs in Ibex? [20:39] that's covered by having new networkmanager plasmoid [20:39] apachelogger: the Gobby server writeups [20:39] batl10n is clearly using too many vars [20:40] Riddell: did you take a look at it recently? it seems to be coming along quite nicely [20:40] apachelogger: I havn't no [20:40] very recommendable :) [20:41] maybe we should snapshot a package [20:48] Riddell: I added a mention of apturl to the spec wiki [20:49] so, which icecast stream would I want to listen to? [20:50] ScottK-laptop: which page? [20:50] apachelogger: I'm in xorg config, other people are in ubiquity [20:52] * apachelogger needs to turn up the volume [20:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuJauntySpecs [20:57] proofing needed https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyInstaller [20:58] Riddell: "he uses he new map to select it." [22:13] seele: you hanging out in the plenary? [22:14] what's US English for cobbler? [22:14] shoe maker? [22:15] actually cobbler seems to work [22:16] hey Riddell [22:16] hi NCommander [22:17] Riddell, I finally have an armel emulator going (ogra gave me the necessary tip to get things going) [22:17] I can now actually build things in less than a day! [22:17] jjesse-dell9: yes, i think julian is doing the desktop experience talk thing [22:17] seele: ah trying to stay awake through the rest of the stuff then [22:18] NCommander: yay [22:18] UDS dudes: going to the computer museum trip? [22:18] Riddell, I'm thinking about it [22:19] yes i am [22:20] excited for it [22:21] Riddell, anyway, I have some things I need sponsored soonish [22:21] How long until the next KDE 4.1 alpha? [22:21] Because now that I can *gasp* compile things at decent speeds ... [22:22] you mean 4.2? [22:22] er, 4.2 [22:22] yeah [22:22] beta 2 tagged today alledgedly [22:27] jjesse-dell9: yeah.. i'm back to doing some work for a bit [22:28] me too trying to stay awake === glade88 is now known as glade88|ZzZ [22:29] Isn't 4.2 already out of Alpha? [22:29] yes [22:30] Riddell: did you ever have any success getting Kaffeine 0.8.7 to build for jaunty? [22:34] devinheitmueller: I havn't looked at it I'm afraid [22:34] was on holiday and now at the ubuntu summit [22:34] ah. [22:34] I'm just getting increasingly nervous since 0.8.7 missed the Intrepid window too. [22:35] There are lots of US users trying to do ATSC scanning, which wasn't available until 0.8.7 [22:36] I'm a Kaffeine developer and not an Kubuntu, but is there anything I can do to help? [22:36] keep poking us :) [22:36] Do you know when the merge window closes? [22:36] a while yet [22:37] We were planning a release that provide s2api support, but it won't work until kernel 2.6.28 is released. Do you know what kernel Jaunty is planning on including? [22:37] FeatureFreeze Feb 19th [22:37] Please forgive my general Ubuntu ignorance. [22:38] Yeah, but isn't there a debian import freeze that is earlier? [22:38] that's just the automatic importer [22:38] kaffeine needs done by hand anyway since we have our own changed (codec installer) [22:38] Ah, ok. [22:39] jaunty currently has linux 2.6.28-2.3 [22:40] Ah. [22:40] Hmmm.... It would be great if we could get the yet unreleased 0.8.8 in since that has the s2api and other fixes, but I don't want you guys to have to do the work twice. [22:41] let me see if I can get kaffeine merged before the next session [22:41] Pardon, I am unfamiliar with the terminology. What do you mean by "session"? [22:42] we are at a developer summit, Riddell is between sessions at the summit [22:42] Oh, duh. Sorry. [22:42] no worries [22:42] I was thinking perhaps "session" was Ubuntu code for "release merge window". :-) [22:43] * NCommander waits on QEMU ... [22:43] Riddell: Ok. Thanks! [22:47] oh, I remember, I was doing the kaffeine merge but XInput.h had disappeared [22:47] so it's all the fault of those X packagers [22:47] WHAT? [22:47] i sat in here for nothing? [22:47] grr [22:48] why, what's happening there? [22:48] some talk on python [22:48] it looks like tomorrows scheduled talk [22:48] Riddell: oh? Well, that's good to know. [22:49] "Need to get 327MB/327MB of archives." hmm, might take some time [22:49]