[00:01] <Riddell> poke rgreening, nixternal, seele, tonio kubuntu session
[00:04] <NCommander> Riddell, do you mind if I upload a python-qt4 package?
[00:05]  * NCommander notes that we have a bit of an issue with KDE libs and ARM and a possible transition ...
[00:05] <Riddell> NCommander: not if it fixes things
[00:05] <jjesse> Riddell:
[00:06] <NCommander> Riddell, wait, what?
[00:08] <Riddell> NCommander: if you fix things uploading the fix is good :)
[00:08] <NCommander> But you just said if it fixes things, don't upload :-P
[00:08] <NCommander> Riddell, anyway, I'm having ARM build issues ... again
[00:11] <NCommander> Riddell, https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive
[00:11] <NCommander> er
[00:11] <NCommander> er
[00:11] <Riddell> NCommander: I said I don't mind uploads if it fixes things
[00:16] <FireRabbit> directhex: hey, you there?
[00:16] <NCommander> Riddell, StevenK is doing a test build on real hardware for me
[00:19] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs
[00:19] <nixternal> pokey pokey
[00:20]  * DaSkreech pokes nixternal With stick of Doooooooooom
[00:20] <directhex> FireRabbit, ?
[00:21] <FireRabbit> hey there is a typo in qyoto.pc
[00:21] <FireRabbit> the libs path is wrong
[00:22] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: If you agree, just push it in bzr and I'll merge it.
[00:22] <directhex> FireRabbit, i haven't touched it - i didn't think pusling took on my pc files0
[00:22] <FireRabbit> debian does not ship a pc file
[00:23] <FireRabbit> it needs to be added upstream.. but until then.. the package is broken for now
[00:24] <directhex> if the path is wrong in qyoto.pc, then it should be pretty trivial to fix
[00:25] <FireRabbit> yes should take 10 seconds :)
[00:26] <directhex> i don't have any of my bzr nonsense here on this box - easiest for you to fix
[00:27] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Somebodby pastebin me the diff and I'll get it in bzr
[00:32] <FireRabbit> ScottK-laptop: http://gist.github.com/33700
[00:33] <FireRabbit> hm you know that version needs to change too
[00:34] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: ^^ Do you agree with that change?
[00:34] <FireRabbit> (reload it)
[00:34] <ScottK-laptop> Why is the version 4.3/4.4?  I'd have expected 4.1 or 4.2?
[00:35] <FireRabbit> its qt 4.4
[00:35] <FireRabbit> i dont know why the install dir is kdebindings-4.4
[00:35] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.  OK.  That almost makes sense.
[00:35]  * ScottK-laptop waits for confirmation from directhex.
[00:35] <directhex> FireRabbit, because the assembly version is 4.4.0.0 presumably
[00:35] <FireRabbit> yes the assembly version is 4.4.0.0
[00:36]  * ScottK-laptop still waits for confirmation.
[00:37] <directhex> i'm checking
[00:37] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks
[00:38] <directhex> cp obj-*-linux-gnu*/lib/qt-dotnet.dll debian/libqyoto4.4-cil/usr/lib/cli/kdebindings-4.4/
[00:39] <directhex> okay, yes, that adds up then
[00:39] <ScottK-laptop> So I need to change rules too?
[00:42] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: ^^?
[00:43] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, no, that's from the build log
[00:43] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.  OK.
[00:44] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, i.e. FireRabbit's change is needed to match that build log
[00:44] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: OK.  I'll make the change.
[00:47] <ScottK-laptop> FireRabbit: What's your actual name so I can credit you in debian/chanagelog
[00:48] <FireRabbit> Eric Butler
[00:48] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks
[00:48] <FireRabbit> thanks for fixing it
[00:51] <ScottK-laptop> FireRabbit: I'm not going to upload it right now (it's a big package to build).  I'm putting the change in bzr so it'll be in the next upload when we get to it.
[00:51] <FireRabbit> sounds good
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: txwikinger apparently has info on how to make python apps into kcm modules
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> or at least was pointed in that direction by sime :P
[00:53] <vorian> hai
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> vorian: y hello thar
[00:54] <vorian> how goes it JontheEchidna!
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> wishing I was at UDS
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> lol
[00:54] <vorian> yeah, me too!
[00:54] <vorian> stupid boss
[00:55] <DaSkreech> vorian: Ask your boss to come to Camp KDE :0
[00:56] <vorian> when is that?
[00:56] <DaSkreech> Jan
[00:56] <DaSkreech> http:// camp.kde.org
[00:58] <vorian> oh!
[00:58] <vorian> maybe
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> two people talking at once... confusing
[00:59] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: cool. That's awesome. I'll ping him on it
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: /me waves to everyone
[01:00] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: you listening?
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> ya
[01:00] <rgreening> o/ waves back
[01:01] <ScottK-laptop> directhex and FireRabbit: Pushed up to revision 8.
[01:01] <ScottK-laptop> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebindings/ubuntu/annotate/8?file_id=qyoto.pc-20081202130636-qf2gdt7wssmot037-52
[01:08] <DaSkreech> vorian: :-D
[01:19] <directhex> ScottK, good good
[01:30] <seele> rgreening: you should use a checkbox for the incoming traffic option
[01:32] <rgreening> seele: you mean for the default policy?
[01:34] <seele> for ufw-kde
[01:34] <rgreening> seele: possibly. That would clean up the UI a bit... only thing is it's not really an on/off conceptually.. so it may be confusing to the user...
[01:34] <seele> it's either or
[01:34] <seele> you allow incoming traffic or you dont
[01:34] <seele> on/off, yes/no, enabled/disabled
[01:34] <seele> checkboxes mean all that
[01:34] <seele> and they are opposite options
[01:36] <rgreening> seele: yeah... ok, let me have a look at that. I may need to do some re-wording to ensure the context and implications are clear. thanks
[01:36] <seele> sure, it's just a suggestion
[01:36] <rgreening> :)
[01:36] <stdin> anyone feel like fixing the KDE 4.1.80 -dev packages? :)
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> they're broken?
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, file conflicts with pkg-kde-tools?
[01:38] <ScottK-laptop> It's fixed in Jaunty.  I think it's just the PPA needs fixing.
[01:38] <stdin> I think they are, or it's my PPA that's broken
[01:38] <stdin> yeah, using the experimental PPA packages
[01:39] <stdin> problems with kdebase-workspace-dev
[01:39] <Riddell> anyone care about 4.1.3 in intrepid?
[01:40] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.
[01:40] <stdin> I'm still running 4.1.3, just building something in .80
[01:40] <ScottK> Riddell: I have to leave now to go recover $ELDEST_CHILD from work, but would be glad to discuss later.
[01:42] <DaSkreech> when isKDE 4.1.4 due ?
[01:43] <vorian> DaSkreech: tagging is wednesday
[01:43] <vorian> da10th :P
[01:43] <seele> DaSkreech: december 17th
[01:43] <DaSkreech> ok
[01:43] <DaSkreech> fells late
[01:43] <DaSkreech> feels
[01:45] <seele> no kidding.. feels like 9 *yawn*
[01:49] <jjesse-dell9> almost time for dinner some place
[01:50] <Riddell> ScottK: it's still in -proposed, it needs someone to comment on the bugs in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru/+bugs?field.bug_reporter=jr that they're all good
[01:50] <Riddell> then poke pitti to copy it over
[01:53] <rgreening> seele: I updated and committed the UI change :) thanks. I think it will work better.
[01:53] <seele> rgreening: sweet
[01:55] <rgreening> seele: you know, I always ended up pronouncing pidgen "pigden" ... haha dont know why. Dyslexic
[01:56] <jjesse-dell9> its cause you are canadian eh
[01:56] <rgreening> I think I should write a clone called pigden. write it in perl so its completed unreadable
[01:56] <seele> rgreening: hmm.. i wonder if i pronounce the d or if i say it like pigeon
[01:57] <jjesse-dell9> i always ignore the d
[01:58] <rgreening> I miss my MSN in Kopete
[01:58] <jjesse-dell9> isnt there a thread on that on kubuntu-devel
[01:59] <rgreening> yep
[01:59] <seele> msn is broken in kopete?
[01:59] <rgreening> yep
[01:59] <jjesse-dell9> no plugin
[01:59]  * rgreening cries
[01:59] <jjesse-dell9> or something like that
[01:59] <seele> oh 4.2
[01:59] <seele> damn.. that sucks. i need msn for work
[02:01] <rgreening> yep. libmsn missing from debian
[02:02] <Riddell> I can sync that from incoming I guess
[02:02] <Riddell> except, we're just leaving
[02:02] <Riddell> someone remind me to do that tonight
[02:03] <Riddell> ** https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyGapAnalysis
[02:04] <Riddell> please review ^^
[02:07] <DaSkreech> Adept
[02:28] <ScottK> Riddell: libmsn is in Debian New currently.
[02:35] <ScottK> Riddell: When I did this for 3.5.10 in Hardy I did one bug for the whole thing ....
[02:44] <ScottK> Riddell: They all have at least one "works for me" comment now.
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, looks like we have our work cut out for us for Jaunty
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> lots o' stuff to go after
[03:27] <Riddell> ScottK: pitti said it needed one bug per package, which seems daft t ome
[03:27] <Riddell> ScottK: excellent, I shall remind him over dinner to get it moved
[03:40] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Your mistake was asking in advance ...
[03:49] <Riddell> mmm
[03:50] <Riddell> we forgot to include apturl in our session today, we should make sure to get that in
[03:59] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Would you please do the sync for mlt++ in Bug 306257?  I need it as a build-dep for getting kdenlive to the KDE4 version.
[06:08] <Riddell> evening jpds
[15:10]  * a|wen finally got his MSN support back in kopete, yay!
[16:39] <glade88> JontheEchidna: I cannot reproduce it.. Shall I mark it as "fixed released" ?
[17:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: about soyuz and neon: I noticed that multiple PPA's per user/team would make sense, quite some people broke their installation because they were upgrading while I wasn't finished rolling the intrepid stack
[17:10] <apachelogger> mcas: pong
[17:10] <mcas> apachelogger: hi
[17:11] <mcas> sorry to late apachelogger
[17:12] <apachelogger> meh :P
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> glade88: ya, you can mark it fixed
[17:16] <glade88> JontheEchidna: ok :)
[17:29] <cbr> the system settings module for nepomuk and strigi says that the "strigi service is not running"
[17:29] <cbr> how should i enable it?
[17:29] <smarter> don't
[17:29] <smarter> just don't :P
[17:29] <cbr> why
[17:30] <smarter> because I've never seen strigi running without using all your CPU and creating really big cache
[17:30] <smarter> and that currently there is almost no way to use it
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> truths^
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> I have had a multiple GiB cache come from enabling strigi
[17:31] <smarter> I think krunner might let you search for files if strigi is enabled, but that's it, and it probably does not work great too
[17:31] <smarter> (krunner=ALT+F2)
[17:37] <cbr> WTF
[17:37] <cbr> i didnt change anything @ krunner options
[17:37] <cbr> just viewed them
[17:37] <cbr> but it broke something
[17:37] <cbr> it displays some excessive popup on the side
[17:37] <cbr> that's really annoying
[17:39] <cbr> WTF
[17:39] <cbr> how did that just happen
[17:39] <cbr> it looks like a feature or smth, cuz it looks designed
[17:40] <cbr> but no way did i enable something
[17:40] <smarter> it's quicksand
[17:40] <smarter> (I guess)
[17:40] <smarter> configure --> user interface --> command oriented
[17:41] <cbr> no, i tried it, but then turned back to the "command oriented" stuff
[17:41] <smarter> to get back to the normal stuff
[17:41] <cbr> but those popups now appear beside the normal stuff
[17:41] <cbr> go try it
[17:42] <cbr> oh god :/
[18:26] <Nightrose> someone please ping me when rgreeneg shows up
[18:27] <NCommander> Nightrose, he's here in the room somewhere
[18:28] <Nightrose> NCommander: ah tell him i talked to someone yesterday also interested in a good twitter client - probably a good idea to work together
[18:30] <apachelogger> collaboration--
[18:30] <apachelogger> causes less clearity in copyright :P
[19:27] <ScottK-laptop> Nightrose: Amarok is not listed as a supported player on icecast.com.  It's working great for me to listen to UDS stuff.  Someone from Amarok might want to disucss that with them.
[19:27] <Nightrose> ScottK-laptop: amarok 1 or 2?
[19:28] <ScottK-laptop> Amarok 1.
[19:28] <Nightrose> ok thx
[19:28] <ScottK-laptop> I'm using the released Intrepid package.
[19:28] <Nightrose> ok
[19:28] <DaSkreech> Why wouldn't it work?
[19:29] <ScottK-laptop> It would and does, but it's not listed as a supported player.
[19:29] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: UDS stuff?
[19:29] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.
[19:29] <ScottK-laptop> http://icecast.ubuntu.com/
[19:30] <apachelogger> nice
[19:30] <apachelogger> nowadays, everyone got icecast because that fluendo stuff is not working :P
[19:31] <DaSkreech> Dirac!!
[19:32] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: looks more like a video codec?
[19:33] <DaSkreech> Ah right :) I just remember it being Open source DRM
[19:34] <jjesse-dell9> lot of discussion on installer on identi.ca follow udsdesktop right now
[19:34] <jjesse-dell9> also gobby page, connect to gobby.ubuntu.com
[19:37] <DaSkreech> What should I subscribe to?
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Anyone on enabling trusted third party repositories?
[19:38] <jjesse-dell9> kubuntu jaunty installer or something like that
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Which brings me to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Is that official? ^^^
[19:39] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: more offical then before
[19:39] <apachelogger> *than
[19:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah I'm on all the kubuntu stuff :-) I meant anything else interesting
[19:39]  * apachelogger needs to review the source again
[19:40] <DaSkreech> So should I be on the third party repository gobby discussion so that we can look at supporting community KDE3 ?
[19:40] <apachelogger> if someone can monitor the ppa, that is not much of a problem
[19:40] <apachelogger> but apparently no one has time for that
[19:41] <DaSkreech> Well that would be the >trusted< part of the repository
[19:41] <DaSkreech> At what point do we trust them?
[19:44] <apachelogger> well, this should have planed better... IMHO they are trusted when >=MOTU monitors the changes and is able to kick stuff out (i.e. has upload rights)
[19:44] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: does that come with setting up a PPA ?
[19:45] <apachelogger> if you set it up for a team, yes, but that ppa is setup for a user
[19:45] <apachelogger> so the upload part doesn't apply
[19:46] <DaSkreech> hmm ok
[19:47] <DaSkreech> Maybe we can ask if they would like to be a team effort?
[19:48] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: we already contacted once, but I had to leave so I couldn't participate in the discussion
[19:49] <DaSkreech> Can someone change the session to kubuntu-jaunty-installer :)
[19:49] <DaSkreech> instead of kunbuntu ?
[19:49] <apachelogger> evil typo
[19:53] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Is there still plans for edubuntu-desktop-kde ?
[19:53] <apachelogger> rgreening: KDE 4 got it's own space indicater, which is by design superior to the cairo one, you'd just need to add multi-color support to the widget
[19:54] <DaSkreech> It's still in Ibex but is it still just you maintaining it?
[19:59] <Riddell> DaSkreech: not really
[19:59] <DaSkreech> Hmm ok
[19:59] <DaSkreech> No plans for marble in kunbuntu installer?
[20:00] <Riddell> marble in installer would be cool but not actually at all useful to anyone and takes up space on the CD
[20:00] <seele> would be a bit overkill
[20:00] <DaSkreech> ok :)
[20:00] <nixternal> sorry I missed the Kubuntu packaging one, I was following the archive reorg which != fun
[20:00] <DaSkreech> Well all I want is that when you click it zooms in
[20:00] <DaSkreech> that's neat in Gnome but never happened in KDE
[20:01] <apachelogger> it's not neat in gnome
[20:01] <apachelogger> it is the worst possible implementation of zoom IMHO
[20:05] <rgreening> apachelogger: cool. I'll ad it.
[20:06] <Riddell> yeah their zoom in is horrible
[20:06] <Riddell> it should work far more sanely
[20:07] <rgreening> Nightrose: ping
[20:07] <Riddell> it's only people who live in the caribbean who need zoom in really
[20:07] <Nightrose> rgreening: pong
[20:07] <rgreening> hey Nightrose
[20:07] <Nightrose> haha Riddell
[20:08] <Nightrose> having fun at uds?
[20:08] <rgreening> Nightrose: yes
[20:08] <rgreening> :)
[20:08] <Nightrose> meanies!
[20:08] <Nightrose> wanna be there as well
[20:08] <rgreening> to bad you weren't here to bug :P
[20:08] <Nightrose> :(
[20:08] <Nightrose> but well i got to spend a weekend in the kde office instead :P
[20:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think the primary usecase is for people with visual impairment
[20:08] <Nightrose> that was much more fun i am sure
[20:09] <rgreening> hehe
[20:09] <apachelogger> Nightrose: more geeks = more fun
[20:09] <Nightrose> rgreening: anyway... - the kde office manager's bf is a mac guy - and we managed to make him want to contribute to kde
[20:09] <ScottK-laptop> Might ask TheMuso for a usability review then.
[20:09] <Nightrose> rgreening: and the thing he wants to do is a twitter client using the ruby bindings
[20:09] <Nightrose> he is a real twitter addict so i think that will work out fine
[20:10] <Nightrose> wanna join him?
[20:11] <Nightrose> oh and he installed kubuntu yesterday
[20:11] <Nightrose> \o/
[20:11] <rgreening> Nightrose: cool.
[20:12] <rgreening> Nightrose: there exists one in python gtk, so I was going to look at using that...
[20:12] <Riddell> doen't plasma already have a twitter client?
[20:12] <Nightrose> Riddell: it is horrible
[20:12] <rgreening> Riddell: it's bad
[20:12] <rgreening> :)
[20:12] <jjesse-dell9> gwibber is a much better client for twitter/identi.ca
[20:12] <Nightrose> rgreening: let me get you his twitter nick then you can msg him - sec
[20:12] <rgreening> Riddell: although, someone with commit to kde could update with patches I suppose... if I fixed it
[20:13] <jjesse-dell9> but gwibber is gtk only
[20:13] <rgreening> jjesse-dell9: yes, it would need porting to qt/kde
[20:13] <Nightrose> jjesse-dell9: segfault is looking for someone to do a Qt frontend
[20:13] <rgreening> jjesse-dell9: which is what I was thinkin
[20:14] <Nightrose> rgreening: http://twitter.com/purzelrakete <- that is the guy
[20:14] <rgreening> cool
[20:14] <Nightrose> rgreening: tell him i send you then he'll know :)
[20:14] <rgreening> ok
[20:17] <ScottK> NCommander: How goes python-qt4 porting?
[20:19] <mcasadevall> ScottK-laptop: I've done some work, I'm waiting on StevenK to finish a build for me.
[20:19] <ScottK> OK.
[20:21] <mcasadevall> mcasadevall: for the time being, I"m on this nick, my NCommande r session is currently on the projector
[20:23] <nixternal> NCommander: why are you using xfce?
[20:23] <nixternal> oops, just made the projector blink :p
[20:24] <nixternal> thank goodness there wasn't a libnotify popup on that one :)
[20:24] <mcasadevall> nixternal: I've always used Xfce ...
[20:25] <apachelogger> ...
[20:25] <apachelogger> I am cold
[20:25] <nixternal> apachelogger: I will keep you warm!
[20:25] <mcasadevall> I switch to GNOME and KDE
[20:25] <apachelogger> uhhhh
[20:25] <mcasadevall> But Xfce been my main desktop for a very long time.
[20:28] <Riddell> DaSkreech: you are now my usecase for the installer spec :)
[20:28] <DaSkreech> heehee :)
[20:29] <DaSkreech> I live in the Caribbean :)
[20:29] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Hey :0
[20:29] <Riddell> exactly
[20:29] <DaSkreech> Isn't there a libgwibber?
[20:30]  * apachelogger saddles his pony to get some tea
[20:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you see my question from cprov?
[20:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you see my answer :P
[20:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: about soyuz and neon: I noticed that multiple PPA's per user/team would make sense, quite some people broke their installation because they were upgrading while I wasn't finished rolling the intrepid stack
[20:37] <Riddell> yes that would seem nice
[20:38] <mcasadevall> apachelogger: you could stage in your personal PPA then copy
[20:38]  * mcasadevall does that with Xfce updates
[20:38] <apachelogger> mcasadevall: people also use my personal PPA
[20:38] <mcasadevall> apachelogger: so make another group :-)
[20:38]  * mcasadevall runs
[20:38]  * DaSkreech talks here since the gobby server is dead :(
[20:39] <apachelogger> :P
[20:39] <DaSkreech> Is wifi part of the catch up?
[20:39] <apachelogger> wifi?
[20:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[20:39] <apachelogger> catch up?
[20:39] <apachelogger> /usr/bin/batl10n:58:in `initialize': No such file or directory - ./debian/control (Errno::ENOENT)
[20:39] <DaSkreech> wasn't there a problem with static IPs in Ibex?
[20:39] <Riddell> that's covered by having new networkmanager plasmoid
[20:39] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: the Gobby server writeups
[20:39] <apachelogger> batl10n is clearly using too many vars
[20:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you take a look at it recently? it seems to be coming along quite nicely
[20:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: I havn't no
[20:40] <apachelogger> very recommendable :)
[20:41] <apachelogger> maybe we should snapshot a package
[20:48] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I added a mention of apturl to the spec wiki
[20:49] <apachelogger> so, which icecast stream would I want to listen to?
[20:50] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: which page?
[20:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm in xorg config, other people are in ubiquity
[20:52]  * apachelogger needs to turn up the volume
[20:52] <ScottK-laptop> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuJauntySpecs
[20:57] <Riddell> proofing needed https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyInstaller
[20:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: "he uses he new map to select it."
[22:13] <jjesse-dell9> seele: you hanging out in the plenary?
[22:14] <Riddell> what's US English for cobbler?
[22:14] <jjesse-dell9> shoe maker?
[22:15] <Riddell> actually cobbler seems to work
[22:16] <NCommander> hey Riddell
[22:16] <Riddell> hi NCommander
[22:17] <NCommander> Riddell, I finally have an armel emulator going (ogra gave me the necessary tip to get things going)
[22:17] <NCommander> I can now actually build things in less than a day!
[22:17] <seele> jjesse-dell9: yes, i think julian is doing the desktop experience talk thing
[22:17] <jjesse-dell9> seele: ah trying to stay awake through the rest of the stuff then
[22:18] <Riddell> NCommander: yay
[22:18] <Riddell> UDS dudes: going to the computer museum trip?
[22:18] <NCommander> Riddell, I'm thinking about it
[22:19] <jjesse-dell9> yes i am
[22:20] <jjesse-dell9> excited for it
[22:21] <NCommander> Riddell, anyway, I have some things I need sponsored soonish
[22:21] <NCommander> How long until the next KDE 4.1 alpha?
[22:21] <NCommander> Because now that I can *gasp* compile things at decent speeds ...
[22:22] <Riddell> you mean 4.2?
[22:22] <NCommander> er, 4.2
[22:22] <NCommander> yeah
[22:22] <Riddell> beta 2 tagged today alledgedly
[22:27] <seele> jjesse-dell9: yeah.. i'm back to doing some work for a bit
[22:28] <jjesse-dell9> me too trying to stay awake
[22:29] <DaSkreech> Isn't 4.2 already out of Alpha?
[22:29] <Riddell> yes
[22:30] <devinheitmueller> Riddell: did you ever have any success getting Kaffeine 0.8.7 to build for jaunty?
[22:34] <Riddell> devinheitmueller: I havn't looked at it I'm afraid
[22:34] <Riddell> was on holiday and now at the ubuntu summit
[22:34] <devinheitmueller> ah.
[22:34] <devinheitmueller> I'm just getting increasingly nervous since 0.8.7 missed the Intrepid window too.
[22:35] <devinheitmueller> There are lots of US users trying to do ATSC scanning, which wasn't available until 0.8.7
[22:36] <devinheitmueller> I'm a Kaffeine developer and not an Kubuntu, but is there anything I can do to help?
[22:36] <Riddell> keep poking us :)
[22:36] <devinheitmueller> Do you know when the merge window closes?
[22:36] <Riddell> a while yet
[22:37] <devinheitmueller> We were planning a release that provide s2api support, but it won't work until kernel 2.6.28 is released.  Do you know what kernel Jaunty is planning on including?
[22:37] <Riddell> FeatureFreeze Feb 19th
[22:37] <devinheitmueller> Please forgive my general Ubuntu ignorance.
[22:38] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, but isn't there a debian import freeze that is earlier?
[22:38] <Riddell> that's just the automatic importer
[22:38] <Riddell> kaffeine needs done by hand anyway since we have our own changed (codec installer)
[22:38] <devinheitmueller> Ah, ok.
[22:39] <Riddell> jaunty currently has linux 2.6.28-2.3
[22:40] <devinheitmueller> Ah.
[22:40] <devinheitmueller> Hmmm....  It would be great if we could get the yet unreleased 0.8.8 in since that has the s2api and other fixes, but I don't want you guys to have to do the work twice.
[22:41] <Riddell> let me see if I can get kaffeine merged before the next session
[22:41] <devinheitmueller> Pardon, I am unfamiliar with the terminology.  What do you mean by "session"?
[22:42] <jjesse-dell9> we are at a developer summit, Riddell is between sessions at the summit
[22:42] <devinheitmueller> Oh, duh.  Sorry.
[22:42] <jjesse-dell9> no worries
[22:42] <devinheitmueller> I was thinking perhaps "session" was Ubuntu code for "release merge window".  :-)
[22:43]  * NCommander waits on QEMU ...
[22:43] <devinheitmueller> Riddell:  Ok.  Thanks!
[22:47] <Riddell> oh, I remember, I was doing the kaffeine merge but XInput.h had disappeared
[22:47] <Riddell> so it's all the fault of those X packagers
[22:47] <seele> WHAT?
[22:47] <seele> i sat in here for nothing?
[22:47] <seele> grr
[22:48] <Hobbsee> why, what's happening there?
[22:48] <seele> some talk on python
[22:48] <seele> it looks like tomorrows scheduled talk
[22:48] <devinheitmueller> Riddell: oh?  Well, that's good to know.
[22:49] <Riddell> "Need to get 327MB/327MB of archives."  hmm, might take some time
[22:49] <Hobbsee> ah, darn
[22:50] <NCommander> Riddell, that's been fixed for awhile
[22:51] <jjesse-dell9> seele: you and me both
[22:51] <jjesse-dell9> argh
[22:51] <Riddell> yeah, I expected so
[22:51] <jjesse-dell9> now i dont know what to go to next
[22:52] <jjesse-dell9> someplace with a power plug
[22:52] <jjesse-dell9> seele: have you picked up your staff shirt yet?  heading to community room to gather mine
[22:52] <seele> jjesse-dell9: where is the community room?
[22:53] <jjesse-dell9> ummm in the other builing
[22:53] <jjesse-dell9> dia room
[22:53] <Riddell> I'd make a joke about seele wearing blue but I'm afraid she might scowel at me
[22:53] <seele> :P
[22:53] <seele> jjesse-dell9: ok.. i'm going to walk over and get it too
[22:54] <jjesse-dell9> ok see you there
[22:57]  * DaSkreech whispers to seele at least make sure your toothbrush is a different colour
[23:05] <seele> nixternal: let me know how the upstream session goes.. this desktop session might not be interesting
[23:05] <seele> or at least, relevant to anything we do
[23:10] <DaSkreech> is anyone going to Asus per chance?
[23:10] <jjesse-dell9> seele: how much of this desktop stuff is going to be gnome only?
[23:10] <jjesse-dell9> seems like most?
[23:10] <DaSkreech> jjesse-dell9: 99.361 percent?
[23:11] <jjesse-dell9> probablly
[23:11] <DaSkreech> There is a Colloboration section as to how to unify the different Ubuntu flavours on Gobby
[23:11] <DaSkreech>  Don't know if that's a talk or not
[23:11] <nixternal> seele: so far so good on the upstream project...it is more upstream bug contact related
[23:13] <jjesse-dell9> did someone just say "as long as we dont break it too bad?"
[23:17] <DaSkreech> >_<
[23:23] <jjesse-dell9> seele: those are all gnome apps
[23:23] <DaSkreech> Gnome == Desktop
[23:24] <jjesse-dell9> http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/notifications
[23:24] <jjesse-dell9> and then in the main txt file they are all main
[23:25] <jjesse-dell9> meant they are all gnome
[23:26] <jjesse-dell9> kubuntu jaunty documentation is next session
[23:29] <seele> jjesse-dell9: yes.. but they are talking about other stuff too
[23:30] <seele> and it is good to know what they are doing about notifications
[23:31] <jjesse-dell9> is there a kde4 port of konverstation yet?
[23:33] <jjesse-dell9> kde apps to use knotify if it supports it