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DanaGHmm, is fglrx broken for everyone, or is it just me?01:37
DanaGI've had to switch to radeon or radeonhd (and can't decide which of the two is better).01:37
DanaGIt's irritating having two equivalent things to choose between, and no idea of what the practical (as in, for the user) differences are.01:42
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DanaG(restarted finch in screen)01:43
DanaG unable to handle keycode 46501:55
DanaGargh... I get that when I hit one of my hotkeys.01:56
X1karr0usXyo01:56
nandyo01:57
X1karr0usXwhats goin on in the discussion for 904?01:57
nandsee http://summit.ubuntu.com/01:57
X1karr0usXawesome dude... thanks!01:58
geniiHave they decided on a "K" name yet?01:59
DanaGI wouldn't mind radeon or radeonhd so much if they'd at least put the GPU in low-speed mode.01:59
X1karr0usXklepto kangaroo01:59
X1karr0usXidk... this one blows lol01:59
X1karr0usXthey should talk about that at the summit02:00
geniiKaleidoscopic Koala ...02:00
X1karr0usXseriously?02:01
DanaGhmm, for some reason I just thought of some creature called a 'kappa'02:01
X1karr0usXlol02:02
geniiDamn the summit is in Mountain View CA.02:03
DanaGI wish the ATI drivers would work.  :(02:03
X1karr0usXhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames02:03
X1karr0usXyeah02:03
X1karr0usXi wish i got more out of my intel driver02:04
geniiAfter looking at the name list I'm partial now to "Kooky Kitten"02:06
X1karr0usXlol02:07
X1karr0usXim partial to cutting myself02:07
rww!o4o02:07
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DanaGI have an RV635 card -- and the R600 series don't do 3D in radeon or radeonhd.02:07
X1karr0usXlol02:08
rwwI kinda like Kinetic Kittie :D02:08
geniirww: That one's catchy too02:08
DanaGI'm fine with not having 3D -- but I don't like how my battery life is divided by three, or so, under Linux when compared to Windows.02:10
DanaGIt's probably due to lack of GPU power savings.02:11
X1karr0usXyeah02:11
DanaGI wish it would at least put the GPU in the slowest mode, if it's not going to use it for much, anyway.02:12
DanaGAccording to ATI Tray Tools in Windows (which I'm not sure is correct), it drops down to like 14MHz GPU and RAM speeds when sitting at the desktop.02:12
DanaG3D speed is like 500 or 600 or so.02:13
DanaGGrr, I wish fglrx worked... then I could play Neverball with my nifty accelerometer.02:18
DanaGSwitched to Pidgin now.02:24
DanaGhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipunji02:30
DanaGspiffy.  it's a K, and it's from somewhere in Africa (I think).02:31
DanaGhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klipspringer    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kori_Bustard02:32
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murlidharwhat is the mail address that i was given to stay update with the news regarding jaunty  ?03:27
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DanaGgrargh, undefined symbol: firegl_querymcrange04:03
DanaGI fixed fglrx, by downgrading merely one package: libdrm2.05:07
DanaGI fixed fglrx, by downgrading merely one package: libdrm2.05:07
DanaGer, sorry05:07
teratomadoes Jaunty Jackalope have support for two monitors, with one monitor rotated 90 degrees ?05:15
histodoesn't intrepid?05:23
histowhat type of video card do you  have?05:23
teratomaintel05:29
teratomathe screen resolution offers:  Normal and Reversed05:30
teratomano left or right05:30
RAOFDanaG: You might want to file a bug; check whether rebuilding fglrx against the shiny new libdrm works?05:50
derekSls07:05
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BUGabundocalc: ping12:23
prahal_hi has anybody got suspend to ram working under jaunty ? hal thhrow me consolekit error and fails to suspend (while echo "mem" > /sys/power/state works)13:01
prahal_I am trying to track the bug : if it is a consolekit issue or otherwise . Having reports by other users that it is supposed to work would help me a lot13:03
prahal_http://pastebin.com/f6c1faa9f is the hal output . I ll send it as is to the bug tracker if I cannot get more feedback from other users .(13:11
BUGabundoprahal_: it used to work for me13:29
prahal_BUGabundo, hum I wonder if those consolekit warnings explains the rc=1 instead of rc=0 for /usr/lib/hal/scripts/hal-system-power-suspend ... ccould you check with hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes (after  /etc/init.d/hal )? sorry to ask you so much consolekit was my only clue and if suspend ever worked in jaunty this one is moot13:41
BUGabundo_workdon't know either prahal_13:42
prahal_ok thanks ... I ll do my best to get this one resolved13:44
BUGabundoI find it always very strange13:47
BUGabundowhy some times hibernation/suspend works great13:47
BUGabundoand the next week it fails13:47
BUGabundoand I have my own backtrace on shutdown to figure out!!!13:47
BUGabundoits hard to do it, after the disk is off13:47
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calcBUGabundo_work: hello16:58
BUGabundo_workhi there calc16:59
BUGabundo_workdid you read my mail on LP about OOo backport?16:59
calcBUGabundo_work: just followed up to it the jaunty debs just haven't been compiled yet due to waiting on the bug 305790 not being processed yet17:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 305790 in backport-util-concurrent "MIR - move to main for openoffice.org 3 build-depends" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30579017:00
BUGabundo_workah ok17:00
calcprimarily due to everyone being at FOSSCamp/UDS for the past week (until this Friday) I'm here too17:01
BUGabundo_work'cause I only manage to get ũbutnu6 package17:01
BUGabundo_workby removing old ~2 I had installed17:01
BUGabundo_workand inslaing the PPA ibex version17:01
calcyea, it should be installable by early next week i would imagine, assuming no one processes the packages until then17:01
calcbrb17:02
calcback17:04
calci lost the foot off my laptop, luckily it was on the bottom of my shoe, lol17:04
BUGabundo_workehehe17:05
BUGabundo_workgoing to university. hope you guys enjoy UDS17:17
calcBUGabundo_work: ttyl17:21
Le-Chuck_ITAHi there, I installed jaunty alpha-1 and then applied all upgrades. Is it just my impression, or is the latest xorg extremely slow, especially with compiz but also normally?18:00
Le-Chuck_ITAin particular, scrolling in lyx with previews on is a real pita18:00
Le-Chuck_ITAnobody around :)18:09
Le-Chuck_ITAbye all18:09
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prahal_ok I found the culprit for suspend not working with jaunty on eeepc 900. pm-utils . Any idea how to debug pm-suspend (pm-utils) . The one in intrepid works so it is not a kernel module issue20:02
prahal_I mean just downgrading pm-utils in jaunty fix the issue20:03
BUGabundoprahal_: there is a wiki page telling you how to debug it!20:04
BUGabundoand filling an intial bug is also good, cause it stays in the Dev radar20:04
BUGabundoor for other ppl to find it20:04
prahal_argh I read the doc provided with the package ... my bad . I just hope it is not like the offline doc . Telling you how to force a module unload (as I tested it is not related) or how to disable specific hooks (without any debugging output from pm-utils telling what s wrong). Thanks20:06
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tretleis anyone working on monodevelop 2.0 packages for jaunty yet?20:36
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jafadebugging... is it possible to get the system to log a stack backtrace when an application crashes?20:53
jafaby default it seems to log only the ip and sp to /var/log/messages20:54
charlie-tcajafa: I think it depends on the application. There is some information here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace20:56
jafacharlie-tca: thanks for the link. I am running the app in gdb but it isn't ideal. This is a custom internet-facing server app that SEGFAULTs every few days. Normally a separate watchdog detects the crash and restarts to minimize downtime. Stopping in gdb adds to the downtime. I was thinking an automatic stack backtrace log would give more information without burning the disk space of a coredump21:07
charlie-tcanp. I try to help when I can21:08
emilienok iv booted 8.10 live cd and its asking me for password and id but its a live cd ... ?21:38
stdinemilien: try user name "ubuntu" and blank password21:39
emilienstdin: nope21:40
stdinwell the default user name of the LiveCD is "ubuntu" and that user has no password, if it's not working then it's a bug21:41
emilienstdin; i have a /home from last ubuntu install could be causing conflict ?21:41
charlie-tcaPerhaps intrepid and blank21:42
stdinthe LiveCD doesn't mount the hard disk21:42
charlie-tcaor let it countdown, it is a 10 second count21:42
emiliennot count down can't see numbers , could be cd defect =( ?21:44
charlie-tcaMight be, I had one do that, and a reboot fixed it.21:44
emilieniv already burned 4 cd today can't seem to get it right always different erro21:45
* charlie-tca hates when that happens21:46
* charlie-tca went through 10 one day, 2 burners were bad21:46
emiliencould be hope not , they are both pretty old21:49
emilieni think il just send off for cd , i live in paris will not take to long ?21:52
prahal_argh I found out the cullprit for jaunty pm-suspend not working. /var/log/pm-suspend.log is what I was looking after ... there is a new clock hook tat fails as I (and I have not found yet if anybody else have found how to ) don't have the kernel clock interface working for eeepc .22:10
emilienok thanks sent off for cd . thanks for your help22:12
DanielRMAnyone here using mpd with Jaunty?22:28
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burneranyone around who can help me get a background picture for nautilus back?  I'm not sure why it's gone away22:34
burnerif I drag a color from the "backgrounds and emblems" menu, it works22:34
burnerbut if I drag a pattern, it shows that pattern for a moment and then changes to an all white background.  my icons stay present the whole time22:35
aboucherhow can i start testing jaunty22:42
charlie-tcaburner: is that in Jaunty or Intrepid?22:45
charlie-tcaMight have more luck on #ubuntu22:45
rwwaboucher: do you have intrepid installed and want to upgrade it to jaunty?22:45
abouchernow i want to test jaunty in a vm22:46
aboucheri mean no22:46
rwwaboucher: okay. Go get the Jaunty Alpha 1 CD from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-1/ . It should install in VirtualBox just fine22:46
prahal_burner, take a look at ~/.xsession-errors and if it is truncated (because too big) try pkill nautilus && nautilus ... it takes care of the background22:48
prahal_maybe an error will shows up22:48
burnercharlie-tca: jaunty.  prahal_: i'm checking22:51
aboucherwhat version of linux is jaunty?22:52
rwwaboucher: 9.0422:52
rwwaboucher: wait, you mean what version of the linux kernel does it use?22:52
aboucheryes22:52
rwwaboucher: 2.6.28-222:53
aboucherthanks22:53
burnernothing in .xsession-errors unfortunately.  this is so weird22:53
burnermy nautilus respects the color selection... be it solid, gradient or whatever, but I still get nothing as far as a png or jpg goes22:54
aboucher!JauntyJackelope22:58
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about JauntyJackelope22:58
aboucher!JauntyJackalope22:58
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about JauntyJackalope22:58
aboucher!rootkits22:59
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about rootkits22:59
aboucher!VirtualBox22:59
ubottuvirtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available from !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox22:59
rww!jaunty | aboucher22:59
ubottuaboucher: Jaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009 - UDS December 8th-12th in Mountain View, CA, USA - Jaunty doesn't even really exist yet, but join #ubuntu+1 for help and discussion.22:59
aboucher!hardy22:59
ubottuUbuntu 8.04-LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04 - See !lts for more details.22:59
aboucher!intrepid22:59
ubottuUbuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) is the current release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.10/ - Features: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/81022:59
rwwaboucher: might be better if you do /msg ubottu !factoid instead of saying !factoid in channel. Ubottu's quite happy to have a private conversation, and it means that everyone else doesn't get your investigative messages :)23:01
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