[00:11] StevenK, https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive === pericamali is now known as ivoks === robbiew is now known as robbie-projector [00:36] umm, could an archive-admin promote x11proto-dri2 to main, new mesa/xorg-server will depend on it [00:37] it's just protocol headers, no security issues etc :) [00:44] pitti, slangasek, ..: ^^ :) [00:57] Is anyone from uds listening here? [00:58] yes [00:59] okey please ask them that are talking about boot up perfomance to see how to fit in the accessibility things as well in the chain. === j1mc_ is now known as j1mc [01:13] tjaalton: sorry, UDS madness; looking [01:15] tjaalton: argh, source is in main; can you please file an MIR bug? I'll do it later then [01:24] pitti: it is? to me it looks like it's in universe, both source and binary [01:24] pitti: but I can file a bug too [01:24] tjaalton: yes, only a quarter of a brain; I meant "universe" [01:27] pitti: yes, promotable packages usually tend to be, right? :) [01:28] tjaalton: If source is in Universe, then it needs a MIR. [01:28] tjaalton: I thought it was a binary in universe for a src in main [01:28] tjaalton: if it's a trivial package, just file a bug [01:28] ScottK-laptop: wouldn't be the first time a x11proto is promoted without paperwork, but I've filed a bug already [01:29] pitti: right, it's bug 306383 [01:29] Launchpad bug 306383 in x11proto-dri2 "please promote x11proto-dri2 to main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/306383 [01:36] tseliot: does your X setup stuff have a name? [01:37] Riddell: not yet [01:38] tseliot: "new display setup tool" it is then [01:38] Riddell: yes, that's appropriate === elpargo__ is now known as elpargo [02:20] calc: really big and important question: why in Ooocal there is starwars game? :-) === mjheagle8 is now known as mjheagle [03:07] Hi everyone I want to contribute to Ubuntu can someone tell me how to make a start [03:14] ozgurgerilla: do you have a particular area you would like to contribute to? [03:17] LaserJock: I want to start as a tester or join the bug squad [03:17] ozgurgerilla: Thanks for having an interest in contributing to Ubuntu; There's a lot of ways one can help the project and community; most of them are listed at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate [03:17] if you have any specific questions we're all here to answer them :) [03:18] ozgurgerilla: have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad and/or joined #ubuntu-bugs? [03:19] I was just wondering what language do I need to know to write and test code in? [03:19] I'm just reading the website you've provided, many thanks. [03:20] Ubuntu contains software written in a wide variety of languages [03:20] debs are also built with the help of a packaging "language" if you will, that is described in the MOTU documentation too [03:20] you can contribute with little to no programming experience and pick up bits of knowledge as you go along [03:21] Furthermore with the volume of bugs that our userbase reports, we need a *LOT* of help just sifting through them, figuring out which ones are valid, which ones are duplicates, and so on [03:21] and that stuff is very important work for us and doesn't really need any computer science or programming background [03:22] which project do you think I should join first as a 3rd year programmer with some knowledge in C, C++, Java and functional languages? [03:23] what do you like to do? Do you like finding bugs, writing documentation, providing support to the community, creating packages for your favorite programs, etc? [03:24] I've been told I'm magical and all, but I can't tell what your interests are :) [03:24] pfft [03:25] :) I like creating packages and finding bugs but I am hesitating to start doing that as it might be difficult. Is there programming projects that are for intermediate or beginers level? if yes, where can I find information to join such developing groups? [03:26] LaserJock obviously disagrees with my ego [03:26] LaserJock is obviously prejudging ;) [03:26] ozgurgerilla: I don't think either of the tasks you mentioned are difficult or technically involved. [03:26] the MOTU section of the wiki has good walkthroughs on making packages [03:27] and #ubuntu-bugs can probably point you towards what kind of work bug-triaging typically entails [03:27] I suggest trying both and seeing which one you like [03:27] jdong: is mirc the main way of communication? [03:28] IRC tends to be the primary communications medium for developers. [03:28] the mailing lists are also popular for the developers if you need more to engage in in-length discussions [03:28] jdong: no no, I was just scoffing at the idea that you can't read minds ;-p [03:30] I can barely read this SELinux manual set in front of me :) [03:30] what has MIT done to you?! [03:31] haha [03:31] :) thanks for the help jdong [03:31] good night. [03:31] nor do I know why I am at "Zero Insertion Force" on wikipedia from the Mandatory Access Control page :) [03:31] I don't know how people who actually have attention deficit issues use wikis... [03:32] amen to that [03:32] the other day I was looking up Density Functional Theory for a dissertation chapter [03:32] jdong: getting lost in a maze of wiki links? [03:32] yes [03:32] and ended up reading an article on the rivalry between the nazi SS and SA [03:33] mmm, procrastination [03:33] I've even forgotten exactly why I opened wikipedia to begin with [03:33] LaserJock: completely the same topic! [03:33] there was a connection [03:33] I'm sure there was, somewhere :) [03:34] 6 degrees to Hitler, is it? [03:34] something about somebody not getting a Nobel prize because one of the guys the worked with later joined the SA [03:34] *they === j1mc is now known as j1mc_ [05:02] nixternal, ping? [05:15] When will Python 2.6.x and 3.0.y be packaged and get into the repositories? [05:22] amikrop: Python 3.0 is already there [05:23] ScottK-laptop: You are right. What about 2.6? [05:24] I'd guess the next couple of weeks. [05:24] It's a matter for doko and when he has time AFAIK. [05:27] ScottK-laptop: He is the packager of Python, for Ubuntu? [05:27] ScottK: Also, will Python 2.6 be added to the repositories in that version of Ubuntu? I thought that only bug and security fixes are applied in daily updates. [05:29] amikrop: Yes. [05:29] For Intrepid, you won't see 2.6. That'll be in Jaunty. [05:29] We will update the 3.0 RC in Intrepid to the final. [05:32] ScottK-laptop: I see. Thank you. [06:22] emgent: because they would rather write games than fix bugs at sun? [06:41] crimsun: ping. i'm curious to know why you removed all my attachments from bug 202089 [06:42] Launchpad bug 202089 in pulseaudio "Pulseaudio is blocking normal sound after resume" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202089 === PriceChild is now known as PriceChi1d === PriceChi1d is now known as PriceChild [12:17] I'm getting this from update-manager since last week: Failed to fetch http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-proposed/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch. Shoud this be looked into? [12:18] In the first time, I thought it was a syncing issue, but it's been days since the first time I saw it [12:31] philsf: bad time to ask, the whole crew's in california for UDS [12:32] and it's 3.30AM there === LucidFox_ is now known as LucidFox === fta2_ is now known as fta [15:09] hey StevenK === geser__ is now known as geser [16:49] StevenK, morning [16:50] * StevenK grumbles. It's morning? === fta2 is now known as fta [16:56] It's always morning somewhere. That's the problem with it. === dickydoo2 is now known as WelshDragon === fta2 is now known as fta === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK-laptop === hunger is now known as Guest20145 === hunger_ is now known as hunger [19:21] I've come up with a use case for libtool linking all dependency libraries [19:21] it makes tracing reverse dependencies *much* easier since I don't have to walk a tree [19:33] i've noticed that bringing my notebook back from suspend sometimes the sound doesn't work -- if i kill pulseaudio and restart it comes back [19:33] anyone any ideas? === Hobbsee changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: UDS: occuring, Archive: open, MoM running | Ubuntu 8.10 released! | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper-intrepid | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs [19:38] Hobbsee: you just like playing ops don't you :p [19:38] LaserJock: :P. Nah. Just being thrown big scary red warnings about the scripts being wrong. [19:38] hi walters [19:39] Mithrandir! [19:39] also, hi LJ, Hobbsee [19:39] hello [19:39] * StevenK waves to Mithrandir [19:39] how's the googleplex? [19:40] interesting. [19:40] Mithrandir: hello! [19:40] Big and scar ^W^W^WPerfectly fine. [19:41] they're still fattening up the devs, I presume? [19:41] The lunch yesterday was large [19:49] what was the jaunty UDS irc channel? [19:50] #ubuntu-devel-summit [19:50] Hobbsee, thanks! [19:51] pitti: thanks for the upload :) sorry for the core dev change. I might be tired when doing that as I was sure to do the contrary: motu -> core dev in control file :/ === elmo_ is now known as elmo [20:32] how do i control how much history is saved in the command line? [20:33] that's not an #ubuntu-devel topic. [20:35] very helpful. thanks [20:35] y... you're welcome? [21:00] crimsun: your PA packages just segfault [21:00] E: shm.c: Invalid shared memory segment size [21:00] times lots [21:01] then SIGSEGV [21:01] erm, segfault?! they're usable here :/ Can you roll back a libc6* version? [21:01] i don't know, can i? [21:01] if i run under GDB i get this first: [21:01] [New process 12759] [21:01] Executing new program: /proc/12759/exe [21:01] /proc/12759/exe: Permission denied. [21:02] no idea what that menas [21:02] *means [21:02] if you roll back to jaunty's pa packages, try just placing the extracted /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/01PulseAudio [21:03] i'm on intrepid... [21:03] hmm, I thought you were running jaunty. Anyhow, then you need the 01PulseAudio file from 202089 [21:04] if all it's going to do is kill pulseaudio on sleep and then start it again on resume [21:04] then there's no point, that obviously works [21:04] doesn't kill; suspends [21:04] ok i will try it later [21:04] my stomach is knacking with hunger so i gotta go! [21:04] bbl [21:04] it's known upstream, this just works around it [21:04] ok cool === RainCT_ is now known as RainCT [22:45] Ok. So, this time we've deliberately sync'd nouveau from Debian :). I'll do the cleanup requried to make nouveau-kernel-source uploadable, then. === beuno_ is now known as beuno === ogra__ is now known as ogra [23:36] hey, excuse my bluntness but what idiot put pulse alsa pluging in ubuntu 8.10? [23:40] The person who wanted audio to work. I presume this breaks something for you? [23:42] If so, a bug report is a nice permanent way of recording this in a fasion that makes it possible to diagnose and fix :). Initial discussion here is possibly useful, but it'll want to end up in launchpad. [23:43] tseliot: around? [23:44] Keybuk: yep [23:44] RAOF: yes it does, it doesn't pick up that I want to use hdmi as output (it is the only output device in there) [23:44] RAOF: ok [23:45] tseliot: screen-resolution-backend [23:45] that has a D-Bus service [23:45] do you really not want anyone to communicate with it? [23:46] MacSlow: this is the new notifier in KDE 4.2 http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/knotify.png [23:46] Keybuk: yes, it uses policykit [23:46] Keybuk: why should anything else use it? [23:46] phix: That sounds like it could be a pulseaudio bug; I presume that your alsa is actually exposing a hdmi output? If so, pulse shouldn't be ignoring it. [23:46] tseliot: it uses policykit? [23:46] does it not have any methods of its own? [23:47] it reserves the com.ubuntu.ScreenResolution.Mechanism bus name? [23:47] Keybuk: yes, since it has to access the xorg.conf [23:47] RAOF: yes, I am in #alsa and I can get the sound test working [23:47] Keybuk: yes [23:47] which looks like it exports setVirtual() method? [23:47] (which uses PK for authorization?) [23:47] who could look at an armel/lpia build failure (mesa) ? [23:47] Keybuk: right [23:47] but you don't have anything in your dbus conf that actually *allows* anyone to call that method [23:47] you need something like: [23:47] [23:48] RAOF: but I need to specify device as hdmi or hw:0,3. I tried setting pcm!default=hdmi or somethign to that effect but alsa doesn't take any notice of that since pulse is being used or something like that [23:48] [23:48] [23:48] phix: But how does that also mean "but what idiot put pulse alsa pluging in ubuntu 8.10?" [23:49] StevenK: pulse in general is a beta sound daemon [23:49] StevenK: and doesn't set my default output device correctly [23:50] Right. But that's a bug, rather than a bad design decision. [23:50] StevenK: and wont allow me to do it manually in alsa [23:50] Keybuk: I don't think I really want other programs to use that method. I'll do something similar for my other tools soon though [23:50] what program uses that method then? [23:50] Keybuk: for my new Display Configuration tool and for other tools which will share part of its code [23:51] Keybuk: currently screen-resolution-extra is used in the Gnome Screen resolution applet [23:51] phix: Anyway, you might want to install paman - see whether pulse is seeing your hdmi output at all, and see what pulse thinks your outputs are. [23:51] tseliot: I think you're missing my point [23:51] *nothing* can use that dbus service [23:51] Keybuk: when you need to set the virtual resolution in the xorg.conf [23:51] wayyy before you even get to PK [23:51] Keybuk: well my app does [23:51] right [23:51] Keybuk: slangasek used it today in front of you [23:52] if your app uses it, you need to allow it to communicate over dbus [23:52] with the snippet I gave above [23:52] kees: thanks for the upload :) [23:52] Keybuk: are you saying that my app is not using dbus? [23:53] Riddell, thanks for the pointer! [23:53] tseliot: no, I'm saying that your app only works because of a security flaw in dbus [23:53] and as soon as we fix that, your app will break :) [23:53] Keybuk: ah, that's really good to know [23:53] pochu: thanks for all the packaging work! [23:53] RAOF: ok [23:53] Keybuk: I'll fix it in Intrepid and Jaunty then [23:54] Keybuk: thanks for reporting [23:56] RAOF: what is wrong with esound? [23:57] tseliot: bug [23:57] phix: It was (a) unmaintained (b) had terrible latency problems (and would hence cause a/v desync) which caused (c) no one used it. [23:57] tseliot: bug #307705, debdiff attached [23:57] Error: Launchpad bug 307705 could not be found [23:58] bug #306705, sorry [23:58] Launchpad bug 306705 in screen-resolution-extra "No permission to call method (dbus 1.2.8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/306705 [23:58] RAOF: ok [23:59] Keybuk: did you test it? [23:59] tseliot: no, not yet [23:59] Keybuk: I'll have to do that anyway. Thanks a lot for the patch