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tritiumGood evening.03:01
FlannelHowdy tritium 03:01
tritiumHi Flannel.03:02
mneptoki just ate a grape and i ...04:27
geniiHopefully didn't choke05:20
ubottuLOTI called the ops in #ubuntu ()05:47
bazhang [sporty_] (n=z@87.118.102.154): purple <--ban evading in -ot06:03
bazhang<sporty_> LjL: you're saying about e,g, 'ban evasion' - what is a term of the ban then? E.g. 3 days or e.g. two weeks?06:05
bazhang:/06:05
bazhanganyone with privileges in -ot : sporty_ is ban evading (again)06:08
ubottujtaji called the ops in #ubuntu (bong)06:09
Flannelweee people06:09
FlannelThat could've been an accident though06:10
bazhanga kernel trap? sarana_monk06:11
Flannelprobably means panic06:12
Flannelbazhang: odd.  That guy spamming the names just came to my LoCo channel, with a different nick06:16
bazhangFlannel, I've seen that behaviour in #freenode before as well06:17
FlannelI've seen the behavior before, yeah.   Just thought it was odd that it was the same guy06:17
elkbuntuoh god, what is paddy on about now?07:52
mneptokelkbuntu: i just ate a grape and i ...07:53
elkbuntueww07:54
mneptok*kills* me07:54
elkbuntuthat's almost as bad as the asspennies thing07:54
mneptokO:)07:54
elkbuntubut seriously, why is paddy crapping on about burqas?07:55
mneptokmaybe he asked for one for Kwanzaa, didn't get one, and is bitter.07:56
elkbuntuhas he pounced on everyone else who's spoken in -offtopic?07:57
mneptokno, but i don't have boobs.07:57
elkbuntui mean, he pounced on me yesterday to show me a pic of him, then got annoyed when i didnt compliment him07:57
* mneptok makes some wild assumptions that are usually true on IRC07:57
elkbuntumneptok, precisely what i'm suspecting, which means i'm >< close to telling him to go find a mannequin.07:58
mneptokoh, yeah. point him MY way! bitch.07:58
mneptok*muah*07:58
elkbuntumneptok, he's not done anything quite that bad yet07:59
mneptokactually, this time of year i'm a space heater in pants.07:59
elkbuntu!tmi07:59
ubottuUm thanks... We *really* did not need to know that...07:59
mneptoki get into bed and woo *immediately* slides over against me, because my body temp is warmer at night than hers.07:59
mneptokbut god help me if i put an arm over er or anything.08:00
mneptok*her08:00
elkbuntuah, so *that's* why she's still with you08:00
mneptokthat and i stole her car keys.08:00
mneptokat -18C, i can't really blame her.08:01
elkbuntuwell, it is canada08:03
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=== PriceChi1d is now known as PriceChild
zirodayhey sporty is in #ubuntu-offtopic ban evading11:39
zirodaysomeone might want to stop by :)11:40
bazhangziroday, thanks; he was there before11:40
zirodaybazhang: good luck11:40
bazhangziroday, trying to raise someone with privileges there11:40
bazhang* [sporty_] (n=z@87.118.102.154): purple <---second time today11:41
ikoniamneptok: elkbuntu LjL Pici PriceChild Mez ping11:43
elkbuntui saw. if he's in 5 times already, what's another +b going to do?11:44
ikoniaelkbuntu just kick him11:44
elkbuntuhe left of his own accord11:44
ikoniacan you do something on ident11:44
elkbuntui'm fighting with ff. keeps using 20x system load11:44
elkbuntunot. fun.11:44
elkbuntumy mother is trying to IM me and wondering why she's not getting responses quick enough11:45
elkbuntu... becuase a stupid browser is being a **************************************************************11:45
elkbuntuthis whole system is so freaking slow. and it's a relatively fresh install11:46
ikoniasounds bad11:47
elkbuntuwell, when i can count to five before an xterm window starts to paint, yes.11:47
ikonia@bansearch z11:49
ubottuNo matches found for z!*@* in any channel11:49
elkbuntui suspect it's a display bug though. i can guarantee that visiting engrishfunny.com will cause it to happen, other high-media sites11:50
ikoniaelkbuntu: are you using an odd version ?11:50
elkbuntu@bansearch z*11:50
ubottuNo matches found for z*!*@* in any channel11:50
elkbuntuikonia, no.11:50
ikoniaelkbuntu just a base 8.10 install ?11:50
elkbuntuikonia, yes. the only addon is the barcode thing for the phone11:51
ikoniaelkbuntu which I'm using without issue here11:51
Mezhmm @ ikonia that didn't hilight me13:38
ikoniamneptok: how odd13:39
Mezlol - tabcompletion fail13:40
ikoniatotally13:53
ikoniamore a case of fat fingers fail13:53
ikoniaI didn't even notice unti you just said13:53
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LjLridiculous... launchpad thinks "my languages" are italian (ok, that one's right), franco-provençal and piedmontese14:17
ikonia@bansearch jujube14:38
ubottuNo matches found for jujube!*@* in any channel14:38
ikonia@bansearch jujubee14:38
ubottuMatch: %*!*@24-148-112-102.ip.mhcable.com by PriceChild in #kubuntu on Nov 03 2008 19:31:34 (ID: 6420)14:38
ikoniaJuJuBee: ok, I can see the problem, can you give me a moment please14:38
JuJuBeeThanks14:38
ikoniaJuJuBee: do you have any other nicknames your normally use14:39
JuJuBeeNo14:39
ikoniaJuJuBee: no problem, just a moment please14:39
ikoniaJuJuBee: do you want to try that in #kubuntu now /14:40
JuJuBeeSure, thanks.14:40
JuJuBeeNope.  Same message ":kubrick.freenode.net 404 JuJuBee #kubuntu :Cannot send to channel"14:41
ikoniaone moment again please14:41
JuJuBeeK14:41
LjLikonia: you removed it as if it were a ban, but it's a mute14:42
LjLso you didn't14:42
ikoniajust noticed 14:42
ikoniasorry14:42
ikoniawas a mute not a ban14:42
ikoniauna momento 14:42
JuJuBeeAny idea why I was muted?14:43
ikoniasomeone else using your ip 14:44
ikonialooks like your ok now14:44
JuJuBeeMy IP is the IP of the server in my classroom.14:44
JuJuBeeI have several students and they may also be connecting.14:44
LjLJuJuBee: then consider trying to tell them that acting like fools on IRC isn't fun14:45
JuJuBeeI will indeed.  Any way of finding out what they did?14:45
ikoniathat explains why he was asking how to bypass security in your school14:45
LjLJuJuBee: yeah, i can give you logs14:45
JuJuBeeI would greatly appreciate it.  I can hammer them...14:45
LjLJuJuBee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/82977/14:46
JuJuBeeLjL: Thanks.  I will deal with this.14:47
LjLpoor kid14:48
ikoniaseems happy enough14:48
LjLi mean the kid who'll be hammered14:48
LjLassuming it's not all made up14:49
ikoniawell, that will teach him to orginise media in his pubic hair14:49
LjLheh14:49
* LjL had better clean up some diskspace *before* all his bots crash14:53
LjLfor a chance14:53
ikoniahow much disk do they use per month ?14:54
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LjLikonia: it's not the bots, it's my irc logs mostly15:38
LjLikonia: i'm *still* using stupid muh as a bouncer, and it has the "small" problem that QUIT and NICK messages are logged in *all* channels. so every QUIT or NICK that happens in #ubuntu is reflected in all other channel logs15:39
ikoniagents I'm talking to make0 in pm15:46
Jack_Sparrowty15:46
ikoniahis attitude sucked16:14
ikoniahe just spent time trying to jsutify it "I was helping posting support requests" " some op kicked me for helping someone some time" " I help loads so I can post this" 16:14
bazhangprobably me16:14
ikoniahis attitude stunk, until he realised I was an op then he's eating humble pie, which I don't like16:15
bazhangthough his account differs from how things transpired in fact16:15
ikoniaI was polite to him16:15
bazhanga more strident mrwes16:15
ikoniaadvised him to think "if the channel needs to see this link, or would benifit from this link" before posting in future to avoid an issue16:15
ikoniatypical responses "you don't tell me waht to post"16:16
ikonianow he admits he was lieing 16:16
ikoniawas just posting it because he thought it was funny 16:17
ikoniawanted people to laught at it16:17
ikonianot a big deal, more his attitude16:17
bazhangyep16:18
bazhang a simple 'my bad' and it would have died16:18
ikoniaexactly16:18
ikonianow he's being an idiot so I'll remove him in am inute16:18
ikoniaI said "it would be nice if you took a break from ubuntu to think about how you speak to people trying to help"16:18
ikonianow he's being a jerk with it "it would be nice, does that mean you take pleasure in telling me to leave"16:19
ikoniaI'll give him one more chance16:19
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ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)16:48
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)16:49
ikoniaagain ?16:49
ikonia gee I wonder what this persons' politcal stance is bushblows16:51
bazhanghehe16:51
bazhangthought that myself16:51
PiciWe may be seeing a reorgination of motu and core-dev, as well as a merging or splitting of their channels17:23
Picireorganization rather17:23
jdongPici:  I was hoping for a interdimensional rebirth.17:24
Picijdong: Well, we're in a nearly 2 hour session right now to discuss just that17:25
PriceChildPici: 'why'?17:25
PriceChildPici: any hilights?17:25
jdongthat's what... wait no that doesnt apply at all17:25
PiciPriceChild: People are unhappy with the MOTU process, the revu process, some people are unhappy with the distinction between core-dev and motu and what happens when things overlap.17:26
PiciHobbsee was talking about how #u-motu is more of a #u-packaging channel17:26
PriceChildI thought revu was great when I went through it. But then I don't know what I'm talking about.17:26
PriceChildyep17:26
PriceChildis hobbsee there?17:27
PiciYep17:27
* jdong grins.17:30
PriceChildoi jdong 17:53
Seeker`ello18:30
PiciHowdy18:30
bazhanghi18:30
Seeker`how be?18:30
bazhangugh18:32
bazhangpaddy in -ot18:32
bazhangaubade gets a long-ish ban but he runs wild.18:34
PiciHm. I wasn't aware that #ubuntu-us-ca moved to #ubuntu-california19:35
PriceChildPici: moved? since when?19:36
PiciPriceChild: Looks like Flannel set the 'go to #u-california' topic in #u-us-ca on March 15th19:38
naliothbad Flannel  :|19:43
LjLerr, come again?20:15
LjLi thought we had decided the *opposite* change...20:15
=== LjL-Temp is now known as LjL
FlannelPici: We didn't move to -california, we've always been -california20:46
FlannelWe haven't moved to -us-ca yet20:46
LjLah20:48
Flannelbut I snagged it to prevent issues in the future, etc20:48
PiciI was under the impression that all the US states had moved their loco channels to #ubuntu-us-xx20:50
LjLPici: you wish20:50
naliothyes, someone is tardy20:51
naliothwhen did that notice go out to the ML ?20:51
PiciA long time ago20:51
Seeker`in a galaxy far far away20:52
FlannelIt was "decided" without any interaction with the states involved, among other issues.20:53
PiciWell, it does make sense.20:53
Flannelbut, I don't want to get into theory right now20:54
nalioththe naming scheme solves lots of problems (both past and future)  for example:   #ubuntu-georgia20:54
FlannelPici: The us teams *aren't* a subteam of -us though20:54
naliothnobody says they are.20:55
LjLthen that's another wrong thing, though not one the irc team has anything to do with20:55
Seeker`they *are* part of the us though20:55
nalioththe irc naming scheme is for IRC20:55
Flannelnalioth: the -us-XX implies that though20:55
naliothnot anywhere else20:55
LjLis freenode-connect going to send me many other VERSIONs still...?20:55
Flannellike I said, I don't want to get into it right now20:55
LjLi do20:56
LjLi want to create a team for Lombardy20:56
LjLcan i make #ubuntu-lombardy?20:56
* LjL blinks20:56
Seeker`lombardy?20:56
LjLSeeker`: of course, it's the region of italy where i live.20:57
Seeker`LjL: try #ubuntu-universe-milkyway-solarsystem-earth-europe-italy-lombardy-ljlshouse20:58
Pici:D20:58
LjLSeeker`: i fear that would hit freenode's channel name length limit.20:58
Seeker`oh wait, you aren't a subteam of universe, or milkyway, or solarsystem, or earth20:58
Seeker`etc.20:58
PiciThe MOTUs may like that naming scheme too much20:58
Seeker`Pici: why?20:59
LjLi'm not a subteam of them?20:59
PiciSeeker`: 'Masters of The Universe'20:59
LjLso you mean i can just create a main team for Lombardy and get it official, while it remains unrelated from Italy's team?20:59
LjLwow, /me goes to do it!20:59
Seeker`just like #u-us-ca isn't a subteam of #u-us20:59
Seeker`so #ubuntu-california shouldn't have to use it21:00
FlannelEh.  Like I said, there are other issues involved.21:00
FlannelBut, whatever.21:00
LjLSeeker`: right. which is completely awkward and quite demeaning to all other countries, too.21:00
Seeker`LjL: agreed21:00
Flannelwhy on earth is mikem trolling me?21:33
Jack_Sparrowwasnt he booted earlier today21:33
FlannelJack_Sparrow: Hes going off (in PM, now) about how Californias are the cause of Americas problems, because of Hollywood (and that the rest of the people in CA don't make an effort to stop Hollywood), and is now talking about gun control21:34
Ace2016_hello21:35
Jack_SparrowOy21:35
FlannelHi Ace2016_, How can we help you?21:35
Ace2016_is the simmons server having issues?21:35
Jack_Sparrowljl just booted him'21:35
LjL-SimmonsAce2016_: look, you aren't funny. not one did the rules APPLY during the netsplit on Calvino, but they do even more so now21:35
Jack_Sparrowfor ot21:35
LjL-Simmonsalso21:35
Ace2016_:(21:35
LjL-Simmonsthe fact that you THINK you're split in a certain instant doesn't necessarily mean that other servers actually don't SEE what you're saying21:36
Ace2016_is simmons the server you are using now?21:36
LjL-Simmonsso you could easily be disrupting the main channel anyway, even if you're "alone" on Calvino21:36
LjL-Simmonsyes it is21:36
Ace2016_wait they see what we're saying?21:36
Ace2016_why can't they respond to us?21:36
LjL-SimmonsAce2016_: because it's split?21:37
LjL-SimmonsAce2016_: then the servers start reconnecting, you may not see that immediately21:37
Ace2016_so if its split they see whats going on calvino but calvino users can't see whats going on the rest of the channels?21:37
LjL-Simmonsno21:37
LjL-Simmonswhen it's actually really split, nobody will see anything that the others say21:37
LjL-Simmonsbut when it's rejoining (which can in some cases - like this - last a while), they can21:38
LjL-Simmonsand as a matter of fact, the trail of your "false #ubuntu" discussions *were* seen on other servers21:38
Ace2016_aww21:38
LjL-Simmonsnow, a netsplit like this is annoying enough without more noise getting added to it, so please next time just carry on with ontopic business, ok?21:38
Ace2016_ok21:39
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phixhey, can some one unban me please21:57
LjLphix: not until you explain to me why you flooded the channel21:58
phixor tell me how to get a 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc HD48x0 audio working under ubuntu 8.1021:58
phixLjL: it seemed appropriate at the time21:59
PiciWhen would flooding ever be appropriate?21:59
phixjust frustrated trying to get this sound card working21:59
LjLphix: well, you're responsible for your actions. you denied service to the channel, now the channel denies service to you.22:00
LjLnot to sound too biblical but.22:00
phixI didn't deny service22:00
phixI just repeated hi on 5 too many lines22:00
LjLphix: well yes you did, what you did is called a Denial of Service attack22:00
phixLjL: only if I was denying service, I stopped after 5 lines22:01
LjLphix: no, you *were* stopped after 5 lines, by our bots.22:01
phixI stopped after 5 lines, either way, I stopped22:02
phixany way, enough arguing22:02
LjLphix: indeed. you *were* stopped after *nine* lines, when i kicked you.22:03
LjLso this is pointless, you clearly flooded with a malicious intent22:03
phixwas it nine?22:03
LjLhave a good day, bye22:03
phixeither way22:03
phixbye22:03
phixwhere do I file bug reports?22:04
LjL!bugs22:04
phixor is this out of scope here?22:04
ubottuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots22:04
phixthank you22:05
Jack_Sparrowhwilde is ban evading22:05
phixperhaps I should do that, or is that against the rules?22:05
LjLuuuh22:05
phixhmmm well it would get me back in the channel and one step closer togetting this sound card working22:06
LjLphix: against the rule. now if you have no other questions for us, please leave22:06
phixoh22:06
LjLJack_Sparrow: that's a pretty weird ban evasion by the way22:06
phixLjL: well when are you going to drop the ban?22:06
PiciWhy was he banned?22:06
Jack_SparrowHOw so.. kinda busy atm22:06
LjLPici: scroll up, happened a few minutes ago22:06
LjLphix: there's not a fixed duration for bans.22:06
Jack_SparrowStarted with repeating, then continued in channel and then got insulting in channel and in proivate22:07
phixLjL: ok, BBL in an hour, that should be enough time22:07
LjLerr, no, i don't think so22:07
LjLanyway, see you later22:07
ikoniaLjL: thats not normal for hwlide22:07
LjLmoment22:07
LjLdiscuss hwilde later22:07
ikoniasure22:08
Jack_Sparrowk22:08
LjLphix: as you can probably see, we've got something to discuss here, could you vacate the channel?22:08
LjLAce2016_: you too, please22:08
LjLok so22:09
LjLcan someone explain this somehow22:09
LjLhwilde was banned by hostname22:09
LjLwhen he rejoined, he had the *same IP*22:09
LjLbut the hostmask had the numeric IP instead of the hostname22:10
LjL(now he's evaded even more, probably being pissed at being accused of ban evasion to begin with *sigh*)22:10
PriceChildLjL: as in, he was on ip-isp.com, banned with *!*@ip-isp.com, rejoined with @ip ?22:10
LjLPriceChild: correct22:10
LjLlike reverse DNS didn't work22:10
LjLbut now he's connected as hwilde and hwilde_, different IPs this time22:11
PriceChildLjL: I guess whatever server he connected to had troubles discovering the hostname. (there's a message about it when you connect)22:11
PiciPerhaps he just kept trying until he could get in22:12
PriceChilda ban on @ip-isp.com won't affect @ip, wheras the reverse should work.22:12
LjLhwilde: ok, let us try to make a reconstruction of events22:12
PriceChildthat's if the hostname is true22:12
hwildeI am not evading any ban.  this is the same nick and IP i've always had22:12
LjLhwilde, look at this22:13
LjL[22:57:09] <hwilde> Jack_Sparrow, you over reacted so chill out.22:13
LjL[22:57:10] <IamGod> For the evil satan22:13
LjL[22:57:12] <-> ChanServ> OP #ubuntu22:13
LjL[22:57:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Jack_Sparrow22:13
hwildewhat is this the replay channel?22:13
LjL[22:57:14] <-- hwilde has left this server ("Leaving").22:13
LjL[22:57:14] *** Jack_Sparrow sets mode: +b *!*@pool-68-162-163-167.pitt.east.verizon.net22:13
LjLhwilde: it's true that it's the same IP, but for some reason this time you are masked by IP (look at your own /whois) and not by hostname22:13
hwilde68.162.163.16722:14
hwildeohh22:14
hwildeI see22:14
PriceChildUnfortunate.22:14
LjLhwilde: in any case, you can see that you were indeed banned22:14
hwildeI didn't protest that now did I22:14
hwildeI just said I wasn't evading the ban22:14
hwilde*intentionally22:14
LjLok, given the strangeness about the hostname becoming an IP, i'm quite prepared to believe that22:14
hwildethank you22:15
LjLso, let's forget about any ban evasion for the time being22:15
* hwilde feels vindicated by the great ubuntu community22:15
LjLyou still have a ban22:15
hwildehow many times are you going to point that out22:15
LjLif you want to discuss it with Jack_Sparrow now, or later, your choice22:15
LjLhwilde: i'm done, i just wanted to clear the confusion up.22:15
hwildei'm sure given time Sparrow will get over me repeating my self by accident22:15
hwildei'm sure given time Sparrow will get over me repeating my self by accident22:15
hwildeit's easy to hit the up arrow you know22:16
hwildeshould like breath and count to ten before getting all crazy banning people22:16
Jack_SparrowYou obviously dont care about following our rules and coc.22:16
hwildethen doubly banning them for evading the ban22:16
hwildethe coc doesn't say to kick someone immediately for repeating one line22:16
Jack_SparrowRead the log, that isnt the case22:16
hwildewhatevs22:16
hwildeLjL told me to come here22:17
LjLhwilde: for that matter, it doesn't even say "when an op tells you to follow a rule, start swearing and claim you did it by mistake instead of just saying 'ok, sorry, was a mistake'"22:17
Jack_SparrowAnd it was not istake, you have a habit of this22:17
Jack_Sparrowmistake22:17
hwildehow long have you been harboring this desire to ban me22:18
hwildemust feel good to get it in there now :)22:18
hwildei'm glad I could help22:18
hwildelet's waste 5 minutes replaying the logfiles for everyone because I repeated a one line question twice22:18
hwildethat really flooded the channel22:18
LjLerr, we're in the channel that's exactly for that sort of thing22:19
LjLit's not like we're replaying logs in #ubuntu22:19
hwildethere is a FloodBot tho22:19
hwildeso you don't really need to concern yourself with repeaters22:19
hwildejust let the bots sort it out22:19
hwildeit will save so much headaches for you22:19
Flannelhwilde: bots are no substitute for ops22:20
LjLthat's not going to happen22:20
hwildeso what is it 24 hrs 22:21
hwilde7 days?22:22
hwildea month?22:23
LjLhwilde, i don't know that, and i don't think there's a fixed duration, either (at least there isn't for the bans i set)22:23
LjLhwilde: but i'd like you to understand something, and i'm sorry if i have to replay stuff again in the process22:23
LjLyou said22:23
LjL[23:16:00] <hwilde> it's easy to hit the up arrow you know22:23
LjL[23:16:12] <hwilde> should like breath and count to ten before getting all crazy banning people22:23
LjLbut look at things again22:23
LjLthis is clearly not the reason why you were banned22:24
hwildeok mr replay22:24
hwildedid I come here protesting a ban?22:24
hwildeno22:24
hwildeI said that I wasn't evading 22:24
hwildewhich is why you banned me22:24
LjLok, then consider my own ban not set22:24
* LjL shuts up22:25
hwildehow long are you going to drag this out or can we all just get over it now22:25
* hwilde waits patiently demonstrating good behavior22:32
hwildeis there like an #ubuntu-exile channel where I can volunteer to help rehabilitate the other lost souls who have been banned22:33
hwildeand then maybe get a probationary license22:33
LjLwhat are you even waiting for? you don't want to discuss the ban, so as i said, i'm shutting up. it's true, i invited you here merely about the ban evasion thing, so i'm sorry if i then dragged you into unrelated topics. the ban evasion thing is now solved.22:36
hwildei'm waiting for Jack_Sparrow to realize I am not a evildoer22:36
Jack_SparrowNo, not evil, just inconsiderate, rude and offensive22:37
hwildeyou take this waay to seriously then22:37
hwildeI hit up arrow enter in the wrong window22:37
hwildeget over it.22:37
hwildethere is a lot to be said for tolerance22:39
hwildeand forgiveness22:39
hwildeespecially in todays society with so much hatred and prejudice22:39
hwildei'm surprised to see you hold onto this grudge so long22:39
hwildeand to hear that you have been harboring this resentment in silence for quite some time22:39
hwildethis is not a time for divisize politics22:40
hwildewe need to work together22:40
hwildethere are many different ways of resolving differences, even if people don't see eye to eye22:42
hwildeshutting down the border and putting up a fence and sign that says you are not welcome is not a step in the right direction22:42
hwildethat's not the change we need22:42
LjLmay i speak?22:43
* hwilde yields the podium22:43
LjLi just think this is running in circles22:43
mneptoki just got Cheet-O's dust on my clean toga22:43
LjLyou hit enter in the wrong window22:43
LjLthat's not a capital sin, that's for sure22:44
hwilde*up arrow22:44
hwildethen enter22:44
LjLyes22:44
LjLbut what happened because of it?22:44
LjLwhat happened is that you were *warned* to not repeat22:44
LjLthat's *all* that happened22:44
LjLyou could have said "ok, sorry", or if you didn't believe you had a reason to be sorry, "it was a mistake"22:44
LjLinstead you had to swear and argue22:44
hwildeI was frustrated because I could not find a way to find simple bandwidth usage 22:44
hwildethen I found it and I could not get the repo22:45
LjL*that's* what led to the ban, not "hitting up arrow"22:45
hwildeand then and then and then22:45
hwildeand I did not swear22:45
hwildeif that's how you want to play it then fine22:46
hwildeif you wrapped up all the time and effort spent warning and banning and rebanning 22:46
hwildeand then dragging it out here and replaying and rehashing 22:47
hwildeand just answered questions22:47
hwildethere would be no repeats22:47
hwildei had 1 person actually answer the question22:48
hwilde5 warned for repeat22:48
hwildeand 2 banned22:48
mneptokhwilde: if we didn't have explain every nuance of everything we do, maybe we'd have more time for support. just sayin' ...22:49
hwildei'm just sayin that is a 1:7 ratio of helping to flexing ops22:49
hwildebecause I hit up arrow enter and I thought I was alt-tabbed back to my terminal22:49
hwildewow I repeated one line twice22:49
LjLyou're running around in circles yet again22:49
hwildeand I reiteratre, there are flodobots22:49
hwildefloodbots22:49
hwildeso you shouldn't really even concern yourself with flooding22:50
hwildethe bots will take care of it22:50
LjLmy suggestion is you leave and come back in a day or so22:50
LjLi don't think you're reasoning very clearly right now22:50
hwildeit's just the ban is so easy to get around22:50
hwildeso it's largely symbolic22:50
hwildeI get it ok22:50
hwildedon't take the lord's name in vain22:50
hwilde Ididn't realize #ubuntu was so religious22:51
* mneptok awaits the Godwin22:51
jribLjL: I get sarcastic right after teaching undergrads, not sure why...22:51
LjLjrib: ah...22:51
LjLhwilde: it's just that Jesus Christ, religion or not, has nothing at all to do with #ubuntu. just like, for instance, Hilter and the Nazi would have nothing to do with it.22:52
LjLmneptok: served.22:52
hwildeit's a figure of speech22:53
hwildeworst that should get is an !offtopic22:53
hwildemaybe !coc22:54
jribalouthgh, I suppose it makes sense to avoid #ubuntu after such an activity22:55
LjLjrib: i think it's that in the (perhaps unlikely) case you find a group of students who all *completely* understand what you're saying, then they'll also understand the exact of positive of what you've taught them.22:55
jribheh22:55
LjLjrib: on the other hand, just when you think you can show that your students have understood exactly the things you've taught them *and not wrong ones*, it turns out you've really just convinced them that 2+2=522:56
jribLjL: well my favorite answer today was when I asked for someone to take a guess at the number of different flushes one could have in poker and got "2"22:57
jrib(they had counted them before in the previous class)22:57
hwilderegular flush and straight flush ?22:57
LjLjrib: oh lord, you aren't teaching prob'n'stat are you22:57
jribLjL: it's called "mathematical thinking", though I fail to see where any thinking is needed in the course.  It's basically discrete math for the student who does not want to take a math course22:58
hwildedo any of your students explicitly get to choose your course, or is it a mandated requirement ?22:59
jribhwilde: they can all choose a more challenging course like calculus or linear algebra to satisfy the requirement22:59
hwildeso you are the lesser of three evils in a requirement from the system 23:00
jribyeah, I suppose.  There's another class where they basically write essays in math class.  About things like how they feel about taking derivatives I guess23:00
hwildeand how does the eigenvalue make you feel23:01
LjLjrib: why didn't you tell me? it took me two years to give discrete math23:01
hwildethe only part I didn't like about linear algebra was my teacher was from mexico23:01
hwildeand sometimes he didn't quite know the english word for the concept he was trying to explain23:02
LjLjrib: i couldn't take that other class because i don't really know how my CAS feels about taking derivatives23:02
hwildeand he would substitute the spanish word and then be like oh whatever you get what I mean23:02
* LjL sees a weird parallel here23:03
hwildeno that's geometry :)23:03
Flannellinear algebra too.  <a,b> = 023:04
LjLanyway, i lied, it didn't really take me two years to give discrete maths. it did to give calculus though23:07
hwildeyou mean take ?23:07
LjLtake, make, do, give, whatever is it that you do when you're a student and have exams23:07
LjLi haven't passed "Basic English verbs and their use cases"23:08
hwildewell I hope you have all enjoyed this little bit of excitement23:25
hwildehopefully I have provided a break from your idling 23:25
hwildemaybe one day you will have compassion enough in your heart to unban me23:28
hwildejust ask yourself, what would jesus do23:28
mneptokyou want to be nailed to a tree?23:28
hwildecmon that was funny :)23:28
jpdsmneptok: Are uou at UDS?23:31
jpdsyou*23:31
PiciI was under the impression that he couldn't come.23:31
mneptokjpds: nope23:32
jpdsOh, right.23:32
LjLhe's scared of people23:32
mneptokjpds: Etienne, David, and Marc are there from the Montreal office23:32
jpdsmneptok: I think I met Etienne, not sure about the laters.23:33
mneptokLjL: i guess that whole "consider UDS/Prague to be a 'clothing optional' event" idea had some repercussions23:33
LjLmneptok: ooh yes, i can see how you'd have turned it down because of such suggestions.23:34
Ximalis it possible to get access to the ubuntu channel ? if not i won't complain as i understand ... 23:50
ikoniaso what's changed ?23:52
Ximalnothing  ... to my knowledge ..23:53
ikoniaso why should I remove the ban then ?23:54
Ximalu don't have too... 23:54
ikoniaok, no problem then23:54
Ximali'm just requesting..23:54
ikoniaI'm asking why I should remove the ban after your last rant23:54
Ximalwell you really don't have to though i feel i was unfairly treated when dozens of people come in that channel and do far worse or flood the channel with the same question being asked by the first 10 people... that came before them..23:55
ikoniaok so your attitude still remains23:55
ikoniaothers did it - so it's ok for you23:55
ikoniaso your correct, nothing has changed23:55
Ximalno...  it's not ok for me..23:55
ikoniaso what was your point in your last statment ?23:56
Ximali told u in private that i apologized to u for my actions...  i think u r instigating the matter further ... i didn't come in here because i wanted forgiveness or to be humiliated or forcibly humbled..23:57
Ximalthough i feel i was treated unfairly it's not an attitude it's my opinion and i'm entitled to such..23:57
ikoniaI've not seen a message from you23:57
Ximali've sent u several23:57
Ximaland tried to talk to u in seaphor's channel23:57
ikoniaI've got one from you23:58
Ximalyet nothing..23:58
ikoniayou've come in this channel, and parted without saying a word23:58
Ximalif you put me on ignore after my rude pm to u i understand why you didn't receive anything23:58
ikoniaI've not put you on ignore 23:58
ikoniaas I said I've got one message waiting that I've just seen23:58
Ximalhere then let me test the pm... reply if u get it23:58
LjLXimal, perhaps ikonia simply wasn't at the computer?23:59
ikoniayes I saw your test PM, as I said I've just seen the message you left for me earlier today23:59

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