[01:18]  * genii sips
[03:01] <tritium> Good evening.
[03:01] <Flannel> Howdy tritium 
[03:02] <tritium> Hi Flannel.
[04:27] <mneptok> i just ate a grape and i ...
[05:20] <genii> Hopefully didn't choke
[06:03] <bazhang>  [sporty_] (n=z@87.118.102.154): purple <--ban evading in -ot
 LjL: you're saying about e,g, 'ban evasion' - what is a term of the ban then? E.g. 3 days or e.g. two weeks?
[06:05] <bazhang> :/
[06:08] <bazhang> anyone with privileges in -ot : sporty_ is ban evading (again)
[06:09] <Flannel> weee people
[06:10] <Flannel> That could've been an accident though
[06:11] <bazhang> a kernel trap? sarana_monk
[06:12] <Flannel> probably means panic
[06:16] <Flannel> bazhang: odd.  That guy spamming the names just came to my LoCo channel, with a different nick
[06:17] <bazhang> Flannel, I've seen that behaviour in #freenode before as well
[06:17] <Flannel> I've seen the behavior before, yeah.   Just thought it was odd that it was the same guy
[07:52] <elkbuntu> oh god, what is paddy on about now?
[07:53] <mneptok> elkbuntu: i just ate a grape and i ...
[07:54] <elkbuntu> eww
[07:54] <mneptok> *kills* me
[07:54] <elkbuntu> that's almost as bad as the asspennies thing
[07:54] <mneptok> O:)
[07:55] <elkbuntu> but seriously, why is paddy crapping on about burqas?
[07:56] <mneptok> maybe he asked for one for Kwanzaa, didn't get one, and is bitter.
[07:57] <elkbuntu> has he pounced on everyone else who's spoken in -offtopic?
[07:57] <mneptok> no, but i don't have boobs.
[07:57] <elkbuntu> i mean, he pounced on me yesterday to show me a pic of him, then got annoyed when i didnt compliment him
[07:57]  * mneptok makes some wild assumptions that are usually true on IRC
[07:58] <elkbuntu> mneptok, precisely what i'm suspecting, which means i'm >< close to telling him to go find a mannequin.
[07:58] <mneptok> oh, yeah. point him MY way! bitch.
[07:58] <mneptok> *muah*
[07:59] <elkbuntu> mneptok, he's not done anything quite that bad yet
[07:59] <mneptok> actually, this time of year i'm a space heater in pants.
[07:59] <elkbuntu> !tmi
[07:59] <mneptok> i get into bed and woo *immediately* slides over against me, because my body temp is warmer at night than hers.
[08:00] <mneptok> but god help me if i put an arm over er or anything.
[08:00] <mneptok> *her
[08:00] <elkbuntu> ah, so *that's* why she's still with you
[08:00] <mneptok> that and i stole her car keys.
[08:01] <mneptok> at -18C, i can't really blame her.
[08:03] <elkbuntu> well, it is canada
[11:39] <ziroday> hey sporty is in #ubuntu-offtopic ban evading
[11:40] <ziroday> someone might want to stop by :)
[11:40] <bazhang> ziroday, thanks; he was there before
[11:40] <ziroday> bazhang: good luck
[11:40] <bazhang> ziroday, trying to raise someone with privileges there
[11:41] <bazhang> * [sporty_] (n=z@87.118.102.154): purple <---second time today
[11:43] <ikonia> mneptok: elkbuntu LjL Pici PriceChild Mez ping
[11:44] <elkbuntu> i saw. if he's in 5 times already, what's another +b going to do?
[11:44] <ikonia> elkbuntu just kick him
[11:44] <elkbuntu> he left of his own accord
[11:44] <ikonia> can you do something on ident
[11:44] <elkbuntu> i'm fighting with ff. keeps using 20x system load
[11:44] <elkbuntu> not. fun.
[11:45] <elkbuntu> my mother is trying to IM me and wondering why she's not getting responses quick enough
[11:45] <elkbuntu> ... becuase a stupid browser is being a **************************************************************
[11:46] <elkbuntu> this whole system is so freaking slow. and it's a relatively fresh install
[11:47] <ikonia> sounds bad
[11:47] <elkbuntu> well, when i can count to five before an xterm window starts to paint, yes.
[11:49] <ikonia> @bansearch z
[11:50] <elkbuntu> i suspect it's a display bug though. i can guarantee that visiting engrishfunny.com will cause it to happen, other high-media sites
[11:50] <ikonia> elkbuntu: are you using an odd version ?
[11:50] <elkbuntu> @bansearch z*
[11:50] <elkbuntu> ikonia, no.
[11:50] <ikonia> elkbuntu just a base 8.10 install ?
[11:51] <elkbuntu> ikonia, yes. the only addon is the barcode thing for the phone
[11:51] <ikonia> elkbuntu which I'm using without issue here
[13:38] <Mez> hmm @ ikonia that didn't hilight me
[13:39] <ikonia> mneptok: how odd
[13:40] <Mez> lol - tabcompletion fail
[13:53] <ikonia> totally
[13:53] <ikonia> more a case of fat fingers fail
[13:53] <ikonia> I didn't even notice unti you just said
[14:17] <LjL> ridiculous... launchpad thinks "my languages" are italian (ok, that one's right), franco-provençal and piedmontese
[14:38] <ikonia> @bansearch jujube
[14:38] <ikonia> @bansearch jujubee
[14:38] <ikonia> JuJuBee: ok, I can see the problem, can you give me a moment please
[14:38] <JuJuBee> Thanks
[14:39] <ikonia> JuJuBee: do you have any other nicknames your normally use
[14:39] <JuJuBee> No
[14:39] <ikonia> JuJuBee: no problem, just a moment please
[14:40] <ikonia> JuJuBee: do you want to try that in #kubuntu now /
[14:40] <JuJuBee> Sure, thanks.
[14:41] <JuJuBee> Nope.  Same message ":kubrick.freenode.net 404 JuJuBee #kubuntu :Cannot send to channel"
[14:41] <ikonia> one moment again please
[14:41] <JuJuBee> K
[14:42] <LjL> ikonia: you removed it as if it were a ban, but it's a mute
[14:42] <LjL> so you didn't
[14:42] <ikonia> just noticed 
[14:42] <ikonia> sorry
[14:42] <ikonia> was a mute not a ban
[14:42] <ikonia> una momento 
[14:43] <JuJuBee> Any idea why I was muted?
[14:44] <ikonia> someone else using your ip 
[14:44] <ikonia> looks like your ok now
[14:44] <JuJuBee> My IP is the IP of the server in my classroom.
[14:44] <JuJuBee> I have several students and they may also be connecting.
[14:45] <LjL> JuJuBee: then consider trying to tell them that acting like fools on IRC isn't fun
[14:45] <JuJuBee> I will indeed.  Any way of finding out what they did?
[14:45] <ikonia> that explains why he was asking how to bypass security in your school
[14:45] <LjL> JuJuBee: yeah, i can give you logs
[14:45] <JuJuBee> I would greatly appreciate it.  I can hammer them...
[14:46] <LjL> JuJuBee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/82977/
[14:47] <JuJuBee> LjL: Thanks.  I will deal with this.
[14:48] <LjL> poor kid
[14:48] <ikonia> seems happy enough
[14:48] <LjL> i mean the kid who'll be hammered
[14:49] <LjL> assuming it's not all made up
[14:49] <ikonia> well, that will teach him to orginise media in his pubic hair
[14:49] <LjL> heh
[14:53]  * LjL had better clean up some diskspace *before* all his bots crash
[14:53] <LjL> for a chance
[14:54] <ikonia> how much disk do they use per month ?
[15:38] <LjL> ikonia: it's not the bots, it's my irc logs mostly
[15:39] <LjL> ikonia: i'm *still* using stupid muh as a bouncer, and it has the "small" problem that QUIT and NICK messages are logged in *all* channels. so every QUIT or NICK that happens in #ubuntu is reflected in all other channel logs
[15:46] <ikonia> gents I'm talking to make0 in pm
[15:46] <Jack_Sparrow> ty
[16:14] <ikonia> his attitude sucked
[16:14] <ikonia> he just spent time trying to jsutify it "I was helping posting support requests" " some op kicked me for helping someone some time" " I help loads so I can post this" 
[16:14] <bazhang> probably me
[16:15] <ikonia> his attitude stunk, until he realised I was an op then he's eating humble pie, which I don't like
[16:15] <bazhang> though his account differs from how things transpired in fact
[16:15] <ikonia> I was polite to him
[16:15] <bazhang> a more strident mrwes
[16:15] <ikonia> advised him to think "if the channel needs to see this link, or would benifit from this link" before posting in future to avoid an issue
[16:16] <ikonia> typical responses "you don't tell me waht to post"
[16:16] <ikonia> now he admits he was lieing 
[16:17] <ikonia> was just posting it because he thought it was funny 
[16:17] <ikonia> wanted people to laught at it
[16:17] <ikonia> not a big deal, more his attitude
[16:18] <bazhang> yep
[16:18] <bazhang>  a simple 'my bad' and it would have died
[16:18] <ikonia> exactly
[16:18] <ikonia> now he's being an idiot so I'll remove him in am inute
[16:18] <ikonia> I said "it would be nice if you took a break from ubuntu to think about how you speak to people trying to help"
[16:19] <ikonia> now he's being a jerk with it "it would be nice, does that mean you take pleasure in telling me to leave"
[16:19] <ikonia> I'll give him one more chance
[16:49] <ikonia> again ?
[16:51] <ikonia>  gee I wonder what this persons' politcal stance is bushblows
[16:51] <bazhang> hehe
[16:51] <bazhang> thought that myself
[17:23] <Pici> We may be seeing a reorgination of motu and core-dev, as well as a merging or splitting of their channels
[17:23] <Pici> reorganization rather
[17:24] <jdong> Pici:  I was hoping for a interdimensional rebirth.
[17:25] <Pici> jdong: Well, we're in a nearly 2 hour session right now to discuss just that
[17:25] <PriceChild> Pici: 'why'?
[17:25] <PriceChild> Pici: any hilights?
[17:25] <jdong> that's what... wait no that doesnt apply at all
[17:26] <Pici> PriceChild: People are unhappy with the MOTU process, the revu process, some people are unhappy with the distinction between core-dev and motu and what happens when things overlap.
[17:26] <Pici> Hobbsee was talking about how #u-motu is more of a #u-packaging channel
[17:26] <PriceChild> I thought revu was great when I went through it. But then I don't know what I'm talking about.
[17:26] <PriceChild> yep
[17:27] <PriceChild> is hobbsee there?
[17:27] <Pici> Yep
[17:30]  * jdong grins.
[17:53] <PriceChild> oi jdong 
[18:30] <Seeker`> ello
[18:30] <Pici> Howdy
[18:30] <bazhang> hi
[18:30] <Seeker`> how be?
[18:32] <bazhang> ugh
[18:32] <bazhang> paddy in -ot
[18:34] <bazhang> aubade gets a long-ish ban but he runs wild.
[19:35] <Pici> Hm. I wasn't aware that #ubuntu-us-ca moved to #ubuntu-california
[19:36] <PriceChild> Pici: moved? since when?
[19:38] <Pici> PriceChild: Looks like Flannel set the 'go to #u-california' topic in #u-us-ca on March 15th
[19:43] <nalioth> bad Flannel  :|
[20:15] <LjL> err, come again?
[20:15] <LjL> i thought we had decided the *opposite* change...
[20:46] <Flannel> Pici: We didn't move to -california, we've always been -california
[20:46] <Flannel> We haven't moved to -us-ca yet
[20:48] <LjL> ah
[20:48] <Flannel> but I snagged it to prevent issues in the future, etc
[20:50] <Pici> I was under the impression that all the US states had moved their loco channels to #ubuntu-us-xx
[20:50] <LjL> Pici: you wish
[20:51] <nalioth> yes, someone is tardy
[20:51] <nalioth> when did that notice go out to the ML ?
[20:51] <Pici> A long time ago
[20:52] <Seeker`> in a galaxy far far away
[20:53] <Flannel> It was "decided" without any interaction with the states involved, among other issues.
[20:53] <Pici> Well, it does make sense.
[20:54] <Flannel> but, I don't want to get into theory right now
[20:54] <nalioth> the naming scheme solves lots of problems (both past and future)  for example:   #ubuntu-georgia
[20:54] <Flannel> Pici: The us teams *aren't* a subteam of -us though
[20:55] <nalioth> nobody says they are.
[20:55] <LjL> then that's another wrong thing, though not one the irc team has anything to do with
[20:55] <Seeker`> they *are* part of the us though
[20:55] <nalioth> the irc naming scheme is for IRC
[20:55] <Flannel> nalioth: the -us-XX implies that though
[20:55] <nalioth> not anywhere else
[20:55] <LjL> is freenode-connect going to send me many other VERSIONs still...?
[20:55] <Flannel> like I said, I don't want to get into it right now
[20:56] <LjL> i do
[20:56] <LjL> i want to create a team for Lombardy
[20:56] <LjL> can i make #ubuntu-lombardy?
[20:56]  * LjL blinks
[20:56] <Seeker`> lombardy?
[20:57] <LjL> Seeker`: of course, it's the region of italy where i live.
[20:58] <Seeker`> LjL: try #ubuntu-universe-milkyway-solarsystem-earth-europe-italy-lombardy-ljlshouse
[20:58] <Pici> :D
[20:58] <LjL> Seeker`: i fear that would hit freenode's channel name length limit.
[20:58] <Seeker`> oh wait, you aren't a subteam of universe, or milkyway, or solarsystem, or earth
[20:58] <Seeker`> etc.
[20:58] <Pici> The MOTUs may like that naming scheme too much
[20:59] <Seeker`> Pici: why?
[20:59] <LjL> i'm not a subteam of them?
[20:59] <Pici> Seeker`: 'Masters of The Universe'
[20:59] <LjL> so you mean i can just create a main team for Lombardy and get it official, while it remains unrelated from Italy's team?
[20:59] <LjL> wow, /me goes to do it!
[20:59] <Seeker`> just like #u-us-ca isn't a subteam of #u-us
[21:00] <Seeker`> so #ubuntu-california shouldn't have to use it
[21:00] <Flannel> Eh.  Like I said, there are other issues involved.
[21:00] <Flannel> But, whatever.
[21:00] <LjL> Seeker`: right. which is completely awkward and quite demeaning to all other countries, too.
[21:00] <Seeker`> LjL: agreed
[21:33] <Flannel> why on earth is mikem trolling me?
[21:33] <Jack_Sparrow> wasnt he booted earlier today
[21:34] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: Hes going off (in PM, now) about how Californias are the cause of Americas problems, because of Hollywood (and that the rest of the people in CA don't make an effort to stop Hollywood), and is now talking about gun control
[21:35] <Ace2016_> hello
[21:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Oy
[21:35] <Flannel> Hi Ace2016_, How can we help you?
[21:35] <Ace2016_> is the simmons server having issues?
[21:35] <Jack_Sparrow> ljl just booted him'
[21:35] <LjL-Simmons> Ace2016_: look, you aren't funny. not one did the rules APPLY during the netsplit on Calvino, but they do even more so now
[21:35] <Jack_Sparrow> for ot
[21:35] <LjL-Simmons> also
[21:35] <Ace2016_> :(
[21:36] <LjL-Simmons> the fact that you THINK you're split in a certain instant doesn't necessarily mean that other servers actually don't SEE what you're saying
[21:36] <Ace2016_> is simmons the server you are using now?
[21:36] <LjL-Simmons> so you could easily be disrupting the main channel anyway, even if you're "alone" on Calvino
[21:36] <LjL-Simmons> yes it is
[21:36] <Ace2016_> wait they see what we're saying?
[21:36] <Ace2016_> why can't they respond to us?
[21:37] <LjL-Simmons> Ace2016_: because it's split?
[21:37] <LjL-Simmons> Ace2016_: then the servers start reconnecting, you may not see that immediately
[21:37] <Ace2016_> so if its split they see whats going on calvino but calvino users can't see whats going on the rest of the channels?
[21:37] <LjL-Simmons> no
[21:37] <LjL-Simmons> when it's actually really split, nobody will see anything that the others say
[21:38] <LjL-Simmons> but when it's rejoining (which can in some cases - like this - last a while), they can
[21:38] <LjL-Simmons> and as a matter of fact, the trail of your "false #ubuntu" discussions *were* seen on other servers
[21:38] <Ace2016_> aww
[21:38] <LjL-Simmons> now, a netsplit like this is annoying enough without more noise getting added to it, so please next time just carry on with ontopic business, ok?
[21:39] <Ace2016_> ok
[21:57] <phix> hey, can some one unban me please
[21:58] <LjL> phix: not until you explain to me why you flooded the channel
[21:58] <phix> or tell me how to get a 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc HD48x0 audio working under ubuntu 8.10
[21:59] <phix> LjL: it seemed appropriate at the time
[21:59] <Pici> When would flooding ever be appropriate?
[21:59] <phix> just frustrated trying to get this sound card working
[22:00] <LjL> phix: well, you're responsible for your actions. you denied service to the channel, now the channel denies service to you.
[22:00] <LjL> not to sound too biblical but.
[22:00] <phix> I didn't deny service
[22:00] <phix> I just repeated hi on 5 too many lines
[22:00] <LjL> phix: well yes you did, what you did is called a Denial of Service attack
[22:01] <phix> LjL: only if I was denying service, I stopped after 5 lines
[22:01] <LjL> phix: no, you *were* stopped after 5 lines, by our bots.
[22:02] <phix> I stopped after 5 lines, either way, I stopped
[22:02] <phix> any way, enough arguing
[22:03] <LjL> phix: indeed. you *were* stopped after *nine* lines, when i kicked you.
[22:03] <LjL> so this is pointless, you clearly flooded with a malicious intent
[22:03] <phix> was it nine?
[22:03] <LjL> have a good day, bye
[22:03] <phix> either way
[22:03] <phix> bye
[22:04] <phix> where do I file bug reports?
[22:04] <LjL> !bugs
[22:04] <phix> or is this out of scope here?
[22:05] <phix> thank you
[22:05] <Jack_Sparrow> hwilde is ban evading
[22:05] <phix> perhaps I should do that, or is that against the rules?
[22:05] <LjL> uuuh
[22:06] <phix> hmmm well it would get me back in the channel and one step closer togetting this sound card working
[22:06] <LjL> phix: against the rule. now if you have no other questions for us, please leave
[22:06] <phix> oh
[22:06] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: that's a pretty weird ban evasion by the way
[22:06] <phix> LjL: well when are you going to drop the ban?
[22:06] <Pici> Why was he banned?
[22:06] <Jack_Sparrow> HOw so.. kinda busy atm
[22:06] <LjL> Pici: scroll up, happened a few minutes ago
[22:06] <LjL> phix: there's not a fixed duration for bans.
[22:07] <Jack_Sparrow> Started with repeating, then continued in channel and then got insulting in channel and in proivate
[22:07] <phix> LjL: ok, BBL in an hour, that should be enough time
[22:07] <LjL> err, no, i don't think so
[22:07] <LjL> anyway, see you later
[22:07] <ikonia> LjL: thats not normal for hwlide
[22:07] <LjL> moment
[22:07] <LjL> discuss hwilde later
[22:08] <ikonia> sure
[22:08] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[22:08] <LjL> phix: as you can probably see, we've got something to discuss here, could you vacate the channel?
[22:08] <LjL> Ace2016_: you too, please
[22:09] <LjL> ok so
[22:09] <LjL> can someone explain this somehow
[22:09] <LjL> hwilde was banned by hostname
[22:09] <LjL> when he rejoined, he had the *same IP*
[22:10] <LjL> but the hostmask had the numeric IP instead of the hostname
[22:10] <LjL> (now he's evaded even more, probably being pissed at being accused of ban evasion to begin with *sigh*)
[22:10] <PriceChild> LjL: as in, he was on ip-isp.com, banned with *!*@ip-isp.com, rejoined with @ip ?
[22:10] <LjL> PriceChild: correct
[22:10] <LjL> like reverse DNS didn't work
[22:11] <LjL> but now he's connected as hwilde and hwilde_, different IPs this time
[22:11] <PriceChild> LjL: I guess whatever server he connected to had troubles discovering the hostname. (there's a message about it when you connect)
[22:12] <Pici> Perhaps he just kept trying until he could get in
[22:12] <PriceChild> a ban on @ip-isp.com won't affect @ip, wheras the reverse should work.
[22:12] <LjL> hwilde: ok, let us try to make a reconstruction of events
[22:12] <PriceChild> that's if the hostname is true
[22:12] <hwilde> I am not evading any ban.  this is the same nick and IP i've always had
[22:13] <LjL> hwilde, look at this
[22:13] <LjL> [22:57:09] <hwilde> Jack_Sparrow, you over reacted so chill out.
[22:13] <LjL> [22:57:10] <IamGod> For the evil satan
[22:13] <LjL> [22:57:12] <-> ChanServ> OP #ubuntu
[22:13] <LjL> [22:57:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Jack_Sparrow
[22:13] <hwilde> what is this the replay channel?
[22:13] <LjL> [22:57:14] <-- hwilde has left this server ("Leaving").
[22:13] <LjL> [22:57:14] *** Jack_Sparrow sets mode: +b *!*@pool-68-162-163-167.pitt.east.verizon.net
[22:13] <LjL> hwilde: it's true that it's the same IP, but for some reason this time you are masked by IP (look at your own /whois) and not by hostname
[22:14] <hwilde> 68.162.163.167
[22:14] <hwilde> ohh
[22:14] <hwilde> I see
[22:14] <PriceChild> Unfortunate.
[22:14] <LjL> hwilde: in any case, you can see that you were indeed banned
[22:14] <hwilde> I didn't protest that now did I
[22:14] <hwilde> I just said I wasn't evading the ban
[22:14] <hwilde> *intentionally
[22:14] <LjL> ok, given the strangeness about the hostname becoming an IP, i'm quite prepared to believe that
[22:15] <hwilde> thank you
[22:15] <LjL> so, let's forget about any ban evasion for the time being
[22:15]  * hwilde feels vindicated by the great ubuntu community
[22:15] <LjL> you still have a ban
[22:15] <hwilde> how many times are you going to point that out
[22:15] <LjL> if you want to discuss it with Jack_Sparrow now, or later, your choice
[22:15] <LjL> hwilde: i'm done, i just wanted to clear the confusion up.
[22:15] <hwilde> i'm sure given time Sparrow will get over me repeating my self by accident
[22:15] <hwilde> i'm sure given time Sparrow will get over me repeating my self by accident
[22:16] <hwilde> it's easy to hit the up arrow you know
[22:16] <hwilde> should like breath and count to ten before getting all crazy banning people
[22:16] <Jack_Sparrow> You obviously dont care about following our rules and coc.
[22:16] <hwilde> then doubly banning them for evading the ban
[22:16] <hwilde> the coc doesn't say to kick someone immediately for repeating one line
[22:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Read the log, that isnt the case
[22:16] <hwilde> whatevs
[22:17] <hwilde> LjL told me to come here
[22:17] <LjL> hwilde: for that matter, it doesn't even say "when an op tells you to follow a rule, start swearing and claim you did it by mistake instead of just saying 'ok, sorry, was a mistake'"
[22:17] <Jack_Sparrow> And it was not istake, you have a habit of this
[22:17] <Jack_Sparrow> mistake
[22:18] <hwilde> how long have you been harboring this desire to ban me
[22:18] <hwilde> must feel good to get it in there now :)
[22:18] <hwilde> i'm glad I could help
[22:18] <hwilde> let's waste 5 minutes replaying the logfiles for everyone because I repeated a one line question twice
[22:18] <hwilde> that really flooded the channel
[22:19] <LjL> err, we're in the channel that's exactly for that sort of thing
[22:19] <LjL> it's not like we're replaying logs in #ubuntu
[22:19] <hwilde> there is a FloodBot tho
[22:19] <hwilde> so you don't really need to concern yourself with repeaters
[22:19] <hwilde> just let the bots sort it out
[22:19] <hwilde> it will save so much headaches for you
[22:20] <Flannel> hwilde: bots are no substitute for ops
[22:20] <LjL> that's not going to happen
[22:21] <hwilde> so what is it 24 hrs 
[22:22] <hwilde> 7 days?
[22:23] <hwilde> a month?
[22:23] <LjL> hwilde, i don't know that, and i don't think there's a fixed duration, either (at least there isn't for the bans i set)
[22:23] <LjL> hwilde: but i'd like you to understand something, and i'm sorry if i have to replay stuff again in the process
[22:23] <LjL> you said
[22:23] <LjL> [23:16:00] <hwilde> it's easy to hit the up arrow you know
[22:23] <LjL> [23:16:12] <hwilde> should like breath and count to ten before getting all crazy banning people
[22:23] <LjL> but look at things again
[22:24] <LjL> this is clearly not the reason why you were banned
[22:24] <hwilde> ok mr replay
[22:24] <hwilde> did I come here protesting a ban?
[22:24] <hwilde> no
[22:24] <hwilde> I said that I wasn't evading 
[22:24] <hwilde> which is why you banned me
[22:24] <LjL> ok, then consider my own ban not set
[22:25]  * LjL shuts up
[22:25] <hwilde> how long are you going to drag this out or can we all just get over it now
[22:32]  * hwilde waits patiently demonstrating good behavior
[22:33] <hwilde> is there like an #ubuntu-exile channel where I can volunteer to help rehabilitate the other lost souls who have been banned
[22:33] <hwilde> and then maybe get a probationary license
[22:36] <LjL> what are you even waiting for? you don't want to discuss the ban, so as i said, i'm shutting up. it's true, i invited you here merely about the ban evasion thing, so i'm sorry if i then dragged you into unrelated topics. the ban evasion thing is now solved.
[22:36] <hwilde> i'm waiting for Jack_Sparrow to realize I am not a evildoer
[22:37] <Jack_Sparrow> No, not evil, just inconsiderate, rude and offensive
[22:37] <hwilde> you take this waay to seriously then
[22:37] <hwilde> I hit up arrow enter in the wrong window
[22:37] <hwilde> get over it.
[22:39] <hwilde> there is a lot to be said for tolerance
[22:39] <hwilde> and forgiveness
[22:39] <hwilde> especially in todays society with so much hatred and prejudice
[22:39] <hwilde> i'm surprised to see you hold onto this grudge so long
[22:39] <hwilde> and to hear that you have been harboring this resentment in silence for quite some time
[22:40] <hwilde> this is not a time for divisize politics
[22:40] <hwilde> we need to work together
[22:42] <hwilde> there are many different ways of resolving differences, even if people don't see eye to eye
[22:42] <hwilde> shutting down the border and putting up a fence and sign that says you are not welcome is not a step in the right direction
[22:42] <hwilde> that's not the change we need
[22:43] <LjL> may i speak?
[22:43]  * hwilde yields the podium
[22:43] <LjL> i just think this is running in circles
[22:43] <mneptok> i just got Cheet-O's dust on my clean toga
[22:43] <LjL> you hit enter in the wrong window
[22:44] <LjL> that's not a capital sin, that's for sure
[22:44] <hwilde> *up arrow
[22:44] <hwilde> then enter
[22:44] <LjL> yes
[22:44] <LjL> but what happened because of it?
[22:44] <LjL> what happened is that you were *warned* to not repeat
[22:44] <LjL> that's *all* that happened
[22:44] <LjL> you could have said "ok, sorry", or if you didn't believe you had a reason to be sorry, "it was a mistake"
[22:44] <LjL> instead you had to swear and argue
[22:44] <hwilde> I was frustrated because I could not find a way to find simple bandwidth usage 
[22:45] <hwilde> then I found it and I could not get the repo
[22:45] <LjL> *that's* what led to the ban, not "hitting up arrow"
[22:45] <hwilde> and then and then and then
[22:45] <hwilde> and I did not swear
[22:46] <hwilde> if that's how you want to play it then fine
[22:46] <hwilde> if you wrapped up all the time and effort spent warning and banning and rebanning 
[22:47] <hwilde> and then dragging it out here and replaying and rehashing 
[22:47] <hwilde> and just answered questions
[22:47] <hwilde> there would be no repeats
[22:48] <hwilde> i had 1 person actually answer the question
[22:48] <hwilde> 5 warned for repeat
[22:48] <hwilde> and 2 banned
[22:49] <mneptok> hwilde: if we didn't have explain every nuance of everything we do, maybe we'd have more time for support. just sayin' ...
[22:49] <hwilde> i'm just sayin that is a 1:7 ratio of helping to flexing ops
[22:49] <hwilde> because I hit up arrow enter and I thought I was alt-tabbed back to my terminal
[22:49] <hwilde> wow I repeated one line twice
[22:49] <LjL> you're running around in circles yet again
[22:49] <hwilde> and I reiteratre, there are flodobots
[22:49] <hwilde> floodbots
[22:50] <hwilde> so you shouldn't really even concern yourself with flooding
[22:50] <hwilde> the bots will take care of it
[22:50] <LjL> my suggestion is you leave and come back in a day or so
[22:50] <LjL> i don't think you're reasoning very clearly right now
[22:50] <hwilde> it's just the ban is so easy to get around
[22:50] <hwilde> so it's largely symbolic
[22:50] <hwilde> I get it ok
[22:50] <hwilde> don't take the lord's name in vain
[22:51] <hwilde>  Ididn't realize #ubuntu was so religious
[22:51]  * mneptok awaits the Godwin
[22:51] <jrib> LjL: I get sarcastic right after teaching undergrads, not sure why...
[22:51] <LjL> jrib: ah...
[22:52] <LjL> hwilde: it's just that Jesus Christ, religion or not, has nothing at all to do with #ubuntu. just like, for instance, Hilter and the Nazi would have nothing to do with it.
[22:52] <LjL> mneptok: served.
[22:53] <hwilde> it's a figure of speech
[22:53] <hwilde> worst that should get is an !offtopic
[22:54] <hwilde> maybe !coc
[22:55] <jrib> alouthgh, I suppose it makes sense to avoid #ubuntu after such an activity
[22:55] <LjL> jrib: i think it's that in the (perhaps unlikely) case you find a group of students who all *completely* understand what you're saying, then they'll also understand the exact of positive of what you've taught them.
[22:55] <jrib> heh
[22:56] <LjL> jrib: on the other hand, just when you think you can show that your students have understood exactly the things you've taught them *and not wrong ones*, it turns out you've really just convinced them that 2+2=5
[22:57] <jrib> LjL: well my favorite answer today was when I asked for someone to take a guess at the number of different flushes one could have in poker and got "2"
[22:57] <jrib> (they had counted them before in the previous class)
[22:57] <hwilde> regular flush and straight flush ?
[22:57] <LjL> jrib: oh lord, you aren't teaching prob'n'stat are you
[22:58] <jrib> LjL: it's called "mathematical thinking", though I fail to see where any thinking is needed in the course.  It's basically discrete math for the student who does not want to take a math course
[22:59] <hwilde> do any of your students explicitly get to choose your course, or is it a mandated requirement ?
[22:59] <jrib> hwilde: they can all choose a more challenging course like calculus or linear algebra to satisfy the requirement
[23:00] <hwilde> so you are the lesser of three evils in a requirement from the system 
[23:00] <jrib> yeah, I suppose.  There's another class where they basically write essays in math class.  About things like how they feel about taking derivatives I guess
[23:01] <hwilde> and how does the eigenvalue make you feel
[23:01] <LjL> jrib: why didn't you tell me? it took me two years to give discrete math
[23:01] <hwilde> the only part I didn't like about linear algebra was my teacher was from mexico
[23:02] <hwilde> and sometimes he didn't quite know the english word for the concept he was trying to explain
[23:02] <LjL> jrib: i couldn't take that other class because i don't really know how my CAS feels about taking derivatives
[23:02] <hwilde> and he would substitute the spanish word and then be like oh whatever you get what I mean
[23:03]  * LjL sees a weird parallel here
[23:03] <hwilde> no that's geometry :)
[23:04] <Flannel> linear algebra too.  <a,b> = 0
[23:07] <LjL> anyway, i lied, it didn't really take me two years to give discrete maths. it did to give calculus though
[23:07] <hwilde> you mean take ?
[23:07] <LjL> take, make, do, give, whatever is it that you do when you're a student and have exams
[23:08] <LjL> i haven't passed "Basic English verbs and their use cases"
[23:25] <hwilde> well I hope you have all enjoyed this little bit of excitement
[23:25] <hwilde> hopefully I have provided a break from your idling 
[23:28] <hwilde> maybe one day you will have compassion enough in your heart to unban me
[23:28] <hwilde> just ask yourself, what would jesus do
[23:28] <mneptok> you want to be nailed to a tree?
[23:28] <hwilde> cmon that was funny :)
[23:31] <jpds> mneptok: Are uou at UDS?
[23:31] <jpds> you*
[23:31] <Pici> I was under the impression that he couldn't come.
[23:32] <mneptok> jpds: nope
[23:32] <jpds> Oh, right.
[23:32] <LjL> he's scared of people
[23:32] <mneptok> jpds: Etienne, David, and Marc are there from the Montreal office
[23:33] <jpds> mneptok: I think I met Etienne, not sure about the laters.
[23:33] <mneptok> LjL: i guess that whole "consider UDS/Prague to be a 'clothing optional' event" idea had some repercussions
[23:34] <LjL> mneptok: ooh yes, i can see how you'd have turned it down because of such suggestions.
[23:50] <Ximal> is it possible to get access to the ubuntu channel ? if not i won't complain as i understand ... 
[23:52] <ikonia> so what's changed ?
[23:53] <Ximal> nothing  ... to my knowledge ..
[23:54] <ikonia> so why should I remove the ban then ?
[23:54] <Ximal> u don't have too... 
[23:54] <ikonia> ok, no problem then
[23:54] <Ximal> i'm just requesting..
[23:54] <ikonia> I'm asking why I should remove the ban after your last rant
[23:55] <Ximal> well you really don't have to though i feel i was unfairly treated when dozens of people come in that channel and do far worse or flood the channel with the same question being asked by the first 10 people... that came before them..
[23:55] <ikonia> ok so your attitude still remains
[23:55] <ikonia> others did it - so it's ok for you
[23:55] <ikonia> so your correct, nothing has changed
[23:55] <Ximal> no...  it's not ok for me..
[23:56] <ikonia> so what was your point in your last statment ?
[23:57] <Ximal> i told u in private that i apologized to u for my actions...  i think u r instigating the matter further ... i didn't come in here because i wanted forgiveness or to be humiliated or forcibly humbled..
[23:57] <Ximal> though i feel i was treated unfairly it's not an attitude it's my opinion and i'm entitled to such..
[23:57] <ikonia> I've not seen a message from you
[23:57] <Ximal> i've sent u several
[23:57] <Ximal> and tried to talk to u in seaphor's channel
[23:58] <ikonia> I've got one from you
[23:58] <Ximal> yet nothing..
[23:58] <ikonia> you've come in this channel, and parted without saying a word
[23:58] <Ximal> if you put me on ignore after my rude pm to u i understand why you didn't receive anything
[23:58] <ikonia> I've not put you on ignore 
[23:58] <ikonia> as I said I've got one message waiting that I've just seen
[23:58] <Ximal> here then let me test the pm... reply if u get it
[23:59] <LjL> Ximal, perhaps ikonia simply wasn't at the computer?
[23:59] <ikonia> yes I saw your test PM, as I said I've just seen the message you left for me earlier today