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seeleRiddell: what is your opinion on the ctrl+alt+backspace issue?00:14
seeleRiddell: because it effects kubuntu00:14
ScottK-laptopseele: I think we should change the K menu to say Start so Windows users won't be confused.00:22
seeleScottK-laptop: there are many threads on that topic00:28
ScottK-laptopI thin it's fine the way it is.00:29
seelehmm.. so we're disabling ctrl+alt+backspace for jaunty00:32
seeleand we are hoping that we get a x.org config GUI to be able to adjust the option00:32
seeleotherwise you have to edit the xorg config00:32
ScottK-laptopWell 'we' aren't disabling it, upstream is changing the default.00:32
ScottK-laptopBad idea, IMO, but I guess we're stuck with it00:33
jtechidna:/00:33
seeleScottK-laptop: we're stuck with it00:35
seeleScottK-laptop: it is an option which can be reenabled00:35
seelebut possibly we wont have a GUI to do that so we would have to edit by hand00:35
seelewhich.. i guess for the people who want the ctrl alt backspace could do that00:36
seele(but then again.. i use it all the time and i hate editing conf files by hand..)00:36
ScottK-laptopWhat's the alternative when X hangs?00:36
seeleScottK-laptop: reboot00:36
ScottK-laptopHow?  ssh?00:37
seeleScottK-laptop: powerbutton?00:43
seeleScottK-laptop: i dont know.  i just know that we will have a checkbox where you can reenable the option00:43
ScottK-laptopseele: That's a hard shutdown, not a reboot00:44
seelewell whatever.  we're stuck with the default.  i'm here to make sure we get our checkbox00:45
ScottK-laptopOK.  That's something I guess00:47
ScottK-laptopThanks00:47
jjesse-dell9anyone able to get to wiki.kubuntu.org01:50
jjesse-dell9im getting a internal 500 error01:50
Riddellmm, broken01:51
jjesse-dell9hopefully i didnt do it01:52
seelehmm.. are there any dinner plans?02:42
RiddellI'm going out shopping02:43
seelegrocery shopping?02:44
Riddellseele: nail clippers, cobblers, fly's electrics02:49
seelewhat's wrong wit your shoes?02:50
seeleand wtf is fly's electrics?02:50
seelei have a nail file, but that might not be enough?02:51
Riddellmy shoes are falling apart02:51
Riddellfly's is a computer shop02:51
seeleuh huh02:51
Riddellwell you can convince me to go shopping another time and use your nail file if you want dinner instead02:52
seeleRiddell: i wouldnt want you to go the way of the cobbler's children though02:53
seelealthough.. where are you going to get shoes?02:53
seelehmm.. i did see a khols02:53
RiddellI have shoes, I just need them to be fixed02:53
seeleyou can fix shoes?02:53
Riddellalthough having them fixed would mean that I was shoeless for a fit02:54
seeleyou are a bit crazy.. if they are broken, why not buy a new pair?02:54
Riddellit's so sweet when people conform to their national stereotypes :)02:54
* ScottK-laptop wonders what's wrong with duct tape.02:54
seelebut theyre broken! it's not like youre not using a perfectly good pair of shoes02:55
ScottK-laptopWell you have to break new ones in.02:55
seeleScottK-laptop: duct tape doesnt work too well on soles02:55
seelei guess you could patch toe holes that way02:55
seelei dunno if it would be very water resistant02:55
Riddellit's not holes, it's the sole coming away from the top half, duct tape wouldn't hold it though and well I wouldn't want to look unfashionable02:56
seeleno.. duct tape is cool with the kids still02:56
DaSkreechAnyone on KDE 4.1.3 ?02:56
Riddellnot I02:57
seeleRiddell: super glue?02:57
seeleDaSkreech: whats up02:57
Riddellseele: maybe, I don't have any handy02:57
DaSkreechI can't open URLs with kate on 4.2 beta02:57
seeleRiddell: super market?02:57
seeleRiddell: i don't know where youre going to find someone to fix your shoes.. did you look up a shop?02:57
Riddellthere's one not far from here02:57
DaSkreechit tells me that ~/Documents/http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/notifications/notifications-multiverse.txt is not able to be read02:57
seelewhoa.. i have a balcony on my room02:58
Riddelloh aye balcony, I should take in that washing02:58
DaSkreechThe hell?02:58
seeleDaSkreech: ~/Documents/http://...?02:58
seelethe url worked fine for me02:58
seeleRiddell: so food or maintenance?02:59
DaSkreechseele: I used to be able to say File -> open -> paste URL -> KIO kicks in02:59
DaSkreechNow it's not doing it02:59
Riddellseele: we could walk towards the cobblers and see if there's a restaurant on the way02:59
DaSkreechPie cobblers? Or Show Cobblers?02:59
seeleDaSkreech: yeah.. and it worked for me02:59
DaSkreech4.1.3 ?02:59
* seele still isn't convinced there is a cobbler03:00
seeleDaSkreech: yep03:00
DaSkreechHmm now to figure out if I'm stupid, It's a Kubuntu packaging error or this really is a bug03:00
seeleDaSkreech: not cobbler like the tastey dessert, a shoe fixer upper03:00
seeleRiddell: ok fine.. i'll bring a nail file03:01
DaSkreechWith Elves?03:01
Riddellseele: see you downstairs :)03:01
* DaSkreech ponders Riddell's penchant for getting thigns shared with him03:01
seeleeh?03:01
DaSkreechYour nail file?03:02
Riddelleh to who?03:02
seeleDaSkreech: don't you know that's the only way to get things done?03:02
DaSkreechheehee03:02
DaSkreechAnyone one on 4.2 beta 1 ?03:09
seeleDaSkreech: for your information.. no nail file has been shared :P05:16
DaSkreechseele: Whoot! Riddell's power has been defeated05:16
DaSkreechor de feeted05:16
DaSkreech(Nail file reference)05:17
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apacheloggermorning05:59
apacheloggergood news! batl10n is working with the new framework.... sort of at least06:00
* apachelogger saddles his pony for the ride to work06:03
DaSkreechHi Ho!06:04
jjesseseele they have rock band going on on the 2nd level behind the elevators if you are interested06:10
DaSkreechYou discovered hidden Elevator Music! Acheivement unlocked06:16
jjesselol06:17
jjessenope in the hotel here aqt #uds06:17
Riddellup early Arby?06:39
ArbyRiddell: I'm always up early, just not always on IRC :)06:39
Tm_TDaSkreech: is, kinda08:17
nixternalScottK-laptop: I think "Start" would be better than that silly K08:18
nixternalRiddell: it is Fry's Electronics...but thank you so much for that laugh :)08:19
nixternalgoing through today's show notes up stairs...need to get with tonio and get kde4 beta 1 fixed in our experimental ppa...so if you get a chance you may want to add tonio to that team...tomorrow looks like I will have some free hacking time to work on some stuff08:20
rgreeningnixternal: But of course we'd be oblidged to spell it KStart to not confuse KDE users08:28
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cbrwoow, with new mesa i get 1100 fps @ glxgears instead of 22008:59
cbrand composite effects look smoother08:59
DaSkreechTm_T: Is kinda?09:07
jussi01@now LA09:32
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jussi01@now Los angeles09:32
ubottuCurrent time in America/Los_Angeles: December 10 2008, 01:32:54 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 5 days09:32
* hunger wonders why he has pulseaudio start up all the time.09:38
hungerIs that used by ubuntu or kde nowadays?09:38
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Nightrose~seen johntheechidna10:42
kubotunope!10:42
Nightrose~seen jontheechidna10:43
kubotuJontheEchidna was last seen 15 hours, 4 minutes and 2 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))10:43
Nightrosebetter ;-)10:44
Nightrosejtechidna: ping11:14
doc___hi there11:16
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Nightroseapachelogger: jtechidna: ScottK: ScottK-laptop: ~30 minutes left until A2 - can one of you copy it over?12:25
fehrpI suggest having the possibility to revert to the last 1 or 2 versions of any packet, when residing in unstable branch. Because most of the "updates" worsen or break the software. This happens just too often and no reversion is made possible.12:36
fehrpPeople who use only "stable" repos have to live with old or even antique software.12:36
fehrpThis is nowhere an acceptable solution for someone, who has to work with his computer12:37
fehrpI mean, work in the sense of being sort of compatible with other distros/OSes documents/softwares12:37
directhexyour definition of antique is a little odd12:38
fehrpantique: 2 or 3 years12:38
directhex(k)ubuntu is released every 6 months. that's hardly neolithic12:38
fehrpwell, the IT is another topic than like paintings, developping quite faster.12:39
fehrpso antique is appropriate12:40
fehrpdirecthex: yes, but the software updates come more often12:40
fehrplike once or twice a week12:40
Nightrosesomeone here who has access to the batcave?12:41
NightroseNEED YOU! ;-)12:41
directhexduring development, yes. people are constantly changing things and developing things and working on things. certainly there's nothing even close to "stability" in the first 4 months of a release's development cycle12:41
directhexbut there are a few points. firstly, if you know which package broke, then either install the older deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/ or download the package from launchpad, which maintains a complete history12:42
directhexsecondly, if you can't help identify problems, then are you sure you should be running a development release during its early days?12:42
fehrpGuys, just as a game of thoughts: How about making the last update reversible? This would save AN EXTREMELY lot of hassle. Since the policy: only the latest version is available.12:45
directhexit would require significant changes to the way the archive works. what would it achieve?12:47
fehrpdirecthex: I NEED openoffice 3.0 because we WORK with it at WORK, you know?12:47
fehrpstable is only openoffice 2.4, which lacks a lot of EXTREMLY important functions.12:48
directhexhttps://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive12:49
fehrpdirecthex: your note on the archive was what I needed, thanks!12:49
directhexOOo packages for intrepid. job jobbed.12:49
fehrpgreat, thanks12:49
ScottK-laptopNightrose: I don't think I have any special access there.13:03
Nightrosehmmm Harald asked me to ping you or Jon to copy it over if he is not around13:03
fehrpdirecthex: cd /home/fehrp/Documents/LOS13:04
fehrpclear13:04
fehrpcd /home/fehrp/Documents/LOS13:04
fehrpclear13:04
Nightrosemaybe you have access to the ppa - i don't know where he uploaded it13:04
ScottK-laptopDunno.  I've got no time for the next several hours anyway.13:04
ScottK-laptopI can probably investigate in about 4 hours.13:04
Nightroseok13:04
Nightrosethx13:04
fehrpdirecthex: there is only one OO package for intrepid: version: 1:3.0.0-6ubuntu0intrepid1 but I need the last one. the one that was actual until like some days13:05
ScottK-laptopCurrently getting kids off to school and then I have to take a dog to the vet.13:05
Nightrosealright - don't worry13:06
Nightrosewe'll get it done somehow13:06
NCommanderNightrose, which PPA?13:10
fehrpdirecthex: there is only a diff:13:10
fehrpdirecthex: there is only a diff:13:10
fehrp* 1:3.0.0-4ubuntu0intrepid1 to 1:3.0.0-6ubuntu0intrepid1 (221.3 KiB)13:10
fehrp* 1:3.0.0-4ubuntu0intrepid1 to 1:3.0.0-6ubuntu0intrepid1 (221.3 KiB)13:10
NightroseNCommander: dunno - that is the tricky part ;-)13:10
fehrpdirecthex: there is only a diff:13:10
NightroseNCommander: if you could find out that would be perfect13:10
fehrp1:3.0.0-4ubuntu0intrepid1 to 1:3.0.0-6ubuntu0intrepid1 (221.3 KiB)13:10
fehrpls13:10
fehrpcd /home/fehrp/Documents13:11
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fehrpre13:12
fehrpdirecthex: there is no version but the latest on launchpad for openoffice 3.013:12
fehrpthere is however a diff to the .4 version to .613:12
fehrpbut that does not help13:13
NCommanderso how goes your time of day Nightrose?13:19
Nightrosebusy busy13:19
Nightroseand drupal is a pita13:19
Nightroseright now at least13:19
NCommanderI'll give you that13:19
* NCommander is working on the all anonying KDE on ARM issue :-/13:19
Nightrosedo you know if there is a page we can link to on kubuntu.org?13:19
NCommanderlink to what?13:19
Nightroseannouncement for kubuntu packages13:20
Nightroseusually apachelogger and jtechidna prepare one13:20
* Nightrose pokes Riddell13:20
jtechidna\o13:31
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Nightrosehey13:32
NightroseJontheEchidna: how about A2?13:32
NightroseHarald told me to poke you13:32
Nightrosei am nearly done now so hurry hurry hurry ;-)13:32
JontheEchidnanice, he already has the package stuffed away in a ppa13:33
JontheEchidnaI'll just copy it over and prepare a story13:34
Nightroseperfect13:34
Nightrosethanks13:34
Nightroseping me when done13:34
NCommanderhey JontheEchidna13:37
JontheEchidnaNightrose: any release announcement url I can link to yet? (If not I can edit the story and throw the link in the minute it goes up)13:38
JontheEchidnahi NCommander13:38
NCommanderhow goes it?13:38
NightroseJontheEchidna: http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.0 in a few minutes13:39
JontheEchidnaok13:39
JontheEchidnaNightrose: ready when you are13:45
apacheloggerbonjour13:47
JontheEchidnaIt might take a minute or two for the story to hit the frontpage, so just say when13:47
NightroseJontheEchidna: great - 5 more minutes - and if you want you could update the wiki page for the kubuntu download13:47
Nightrosethat would really help13:47
JontheEchidnathe repository guide?13:48
JontheEchidnaor the adept howto?13:48
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu13:48
apacheloggerNightrose: I think I fixed the tag based releasing13:48
JontheEchidnaah, amarok wiki :P13:48
Nightroseapachelogger: ?13:48
Nightroseah13:48
apacheloggerNightrose: release script13:48
Nightrosegreat13:49
Nightrose\o/13:49
apacheloggerNightrose: and I began refactoring the translation stuff, sorting for the statistics  works, I just need to find a sensible way to drop translations that don't match the requirements13:49
* JontheEchidna wonders how to use his launchpad openid13:49
Nightroseapachelogger: cool13:49
Nightroseapachelogger++13:49
NightroseJontheEchidna++13:49
apacheloggerin related news: I merged gypsy with batscripts into kubuntu-dev-tools, manpages and stuff for first iteration are ready, so I can push that stuff once I ensured all the magic works13:50
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: on your profile page you should find a URL13:50
apacheloggerenter that in the login field and you should be good to go13:50
JontheEchidnaoh, my profile url is my openid url13:51
NightroseJontheEchidna: replace stable with 2.0 please13:51
Nightrosewe're not keeping 1.4 around there13:51
* apachelogger notes that highlighting in quassel appears to be b0rked when no client is connected -.-13:53
NightroseJontheEchidna: ok ready to go in 2 minutes13:54
JontheEchidnak, up the kubuntu page goes13:54
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: add a pagebreak somewhere13:55
* JontheEchidna forgot, oops13:55
JontheEchidnaand grammar error13:55
NightroseJontheEchidna: wiki updated?13:55
JontheEchidnajust a second13:56
apacheloggerhm13:56
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: does one actually need backports?13:56
JontheEchidnayes, it deps on 4.1.313:56
apacheloggerOo13:56
JontheEchidnaapparently there was a build issue with 4.1.213:56
apacheloggerhow come?13:57
JontheEchidnadunno13:57
apacheloggerp3a isn't using backports as package source13:57
JontheEchidnahmm, then I guess it was resolved13:57
apacheloggeror I built against 4.1.80 :P13:57
JontheEchidnathat would be shitty13:57
glade88an admin linky here? http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu oO13:58
JontheEchidnaNightrose: wiki updated13:58
JontheEchidnaglade88: reload13:58
JontheEchidna<.<13:58
NightroseJontheEchidna: yay13:58
Nightrosethx13:58
glade88++13:58
glade88:D13:58
apachelogger*downloading deb*13:58
glade88https://www.kubuntu.org/node/59 doesnt open for me.. :/13:59
apacheloggerJontheEchidna:  Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.2), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.2),13:59
JontheEchidnaoh, I guess that part can be removed then :P13:59
JontheEchidnaglade88: it takes a bit for it to actually hit the front page, some technical shit about caches and the space-time continuuim14:00
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: no14:00
apacheloggerkubuntu.org doesn't use https :P14:00
JontheEchidnaoh14:00
glade88hehe14:00
glade88+1 .. works now14:00
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: hold on14:00
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: please use that url http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.014:01
JontheEchidnaok14:02
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you mustn't forget to set the URL path setting ;-)14:02
apacheloggernode/X looks way too awkward14:02
apacheloggerhm14:05
apacheloggerdoes the news go frontpage for anyone?14:05
* apachelogger thinks it doesn't like that it was a menu before14:05
apacheloggerah, nvm14:05
glade88so node/59 would be a permalink, right? if so, this baby goes into kubuntuforums news :)14:06
JontheEchidnawiki and story updated14:07
apacheloggerglade88: news/amarok-2.014:07
glade88thanks14:07
JontheEchidnaaside from that old kubuntu graphic on the wiki everything's good to go14:07
apacheloggerNightrose: maybe I say something rude?14:07
apachelogger*may14:08
Nightroseshoot14:08
NCommandermorning apachelogger14:08
apacheloggerNightrose: that theme is an abomination of what pasi and I created14:08
apacheloggerhola NCommander14:08
NCommanderhow goes it apachelogger?14:09
Nightroseapachelogger: heh - talk to krf and Ian14:09
* NCommander finally has stopped spinning his wheels w/ kde4bindings14:09
apacheloggerNightrose: I'd rather not, I might have to throw up14:09
apacheloggeranywho14:09
apacheloggerAmarok got a fine release manager ;-)14:09
apacheloggerNightrose++14:09
Nightrose:)14:10
* Nightrose bounces14:10
apacheloggerNCommander: drowning in ruby14:10
NCommanderimpressive14:10
apacheloggerwell, I think kubuntu-dev-tools is close to release14:10
apacheloggerthough I also thought that like a week ago ;-)14:10
glade88this may be minor, but can the link "Adept howto" on the news page not point to the Kubuntu wiki but the ubuntu wiki.. orange looks ugly :/14:12
apacheloggerglade88: it is consistent with the other link14:13
apacheloggerbesides, IMHO orange > current kubuntu wiki theme14:13
JontheEchidnalol14:13
* JontheEchidna updated the artwork for the kubuntu amarok-wiki page14:14
apachelogger\o/14:14
JontheEchidnahttp://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu14:14
apacheloggerJontheEchidna++14:14
apacheloggerNightrose: where and when is release parte?14:14
Nightrosesee ako ;-)14:14
glade88JontheEchidna: sweeet!14:14
apacheloggerNightrose: I am already feeling sick enough :P14:15
Nightrosehehe14:15
apacheloggerhm, one parte, and no sensible date :(14:16
apacheloggerNightrose: how about we throw a IRC party?14:16
apacheloggerby we I of course mean you and JontheEchidna :P14:17
JontheEchidna:P14:17
Nightrosesounds perfect14:17
Nightrosecount me in14:17
apacheloggerhooray14:17
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: you should break out that intrepid wallpaper you made14:17
apacheloggerNightrose: btw, any news on fkefer's rely project?14:17
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: true14:17
JontheEchidnamaybe write AMAROK TOO all over it14:18
apacheloggerif I find it...14:18
Nightroseapachelogger: rely project?14:18
apacheloggerstreaming14:18
Nightroseah14:19
Nightroseno idea14:19
Nightrosesent him to work it out with paleo14:19
Nightrosehe seemed ok with it14:19
glade88er.. I fixed the Kubuntu logos on the polski and chinese (japanese?) pages.. but couldnt edit the content.14:20
apacheloggerglade88: you don't speak japanese?14:20
glade88definitely not :p :D14:21
apacheloggernow that is not good14:21
apacheloggerNightrose: I am quite sure that would kill kollide ;-)14:21
Nightroseapachelogger: well that's why i send him to paleo ;-)14:21
apacheloggergood point14:22
* JontheEchidna amarocks14:24
apacheloggeroh dear14:26
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I made super mario look french14:26
JontheEchidnaD:14:26
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/Zeichnung.png14:28
JontheEchidnahaha14:29
JontheEchidnalol @ kbluetooth14:29
apacheloggerNightrose: do you think I have to mark the party name as (c) markey?14:30
apacheloggerafter all he came up with that14:30
Nightrosenah - sven came up with it iirc14:30
apachelogger<apachelogger> [18:35:59] <markey> 2.0 itself is the big name14:31
apachelogger<apachelogger> [18:36:08] <markey> anything would just distract from it14:31
Nightroseah14:31
Nightrose:P14:31
Nightroseindeed14:31
apacheloggermaybe markey copied from sven14:31
apacheloggerthen markey didn't care about the copyright14:31
JontheEchidnalol14:31
apacheloggerI actually had voyager in the upper right heaven, but somehow every approach of drawing it ended up looking pretty obscene14:33
apacheloggers/heaven/sky14:33
glade88amarok-kde4 is just a 12MB install oO14:37
apachelogger"just"14:38
apacheloggerNightrose: did you ever clean out the icons directory?14:38
Nightrosenope - Gerry is working on it14:38
apacheloggerok14:39
JontheEchidnahttp://digg.com/software/Amarok_2_0_0_Released14:52
JontheEchidnadigg it!14:52
glade88soo.. what am I missing here? http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4314/snapshot2df5.jpg15:22
glade88playlists, plugins, connections.. nada15:23
glade88*collections15:23
JontheEchidnao.o15:26
JontheEchidnamaybe try wiping your ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok and ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc?15:27
cbrwoow, the latest mesa speeded kde effects up a lot but the menu b0rkage is still pretty awful :(15:30
glade88JontheEchidna: back to business :D15:30
cbrwhen it draws, the background is black for a fraction of a second15:30
cbror rippled15:30
cbrespecially bad in firefox15:31
cbrpretty awful in amarok too though15:31
cbrapachelogger: hi15:56
cbri'm trying the capseo kwin decode thingy15:56
cbrand it wont work in jaunty15:57
cbrmplayer cant detect the codec or smth15:57
apacheloggercbr: possible, that stuff is rotting away16:23
cbrwhy can't it be encoded in something reasonable?16:24
apacheloggerbecause captury is made as reference implementation for capseo16:25
apacheloggerand kwin uses captury because it is the only sensible thing that comes with a lib16:25
apacheloggermusic isn't what it used to be16:32
apacheloggerNightrose: any suggestions?16:32
Nightrosemoby!16:32
apacheloggerI assimilated all of moby16:34
apacheloggernothing new there16:34
apacheloggerNightrose: I also need a new minion, my old one aint coming back16:37
Nightroseyour minion "verschleiß" is too high honey!16:38
Nightroseyou need to take better care of them16:38
apacheloggerNightrose: they just don't messure up to me, I would need ~5 of them :S16:39
Nightrose;-)16:39
apacheloggeraha!16:40
apachelogger-- Installing: /build/buildd/kde-nightly-kdebase-20081209.7+svn895076/debian/tmp/etc/kde4/wallpaper.knsrc16:40
apacheloggerthat also explains the menu issue16:40
apacheloggerhm16:43
apacheloggermerging my server branch of neon with the one on launchpad is going to be fun :S16:43
jjesse-dell9mo4nint16:47
jjesse-dell9morning :)16:47
apacheloggeraloha jjesse-dell916:47
jjesse-dell9aloha apachelogger16:47
apacheloggerNightrose: I think I just fixed GHNS and the menu issue in kde-nightly16:48
Nightrosewohooooooooo16:48
apacheloggerwell, once cdbs is built and I invoke usual uploads at least16:49
apacheloggerNightrose: are you busy?16:49
Nightrosea tiny little bit ;-)16:50
Nightroseread: very much so16:50
apacheloggerlolz16:50
* apachelogger needs someone else to talk to16:50
apacheloggerjjesse-dell9: what do you think about adding kde-nightly-kdeedu?16:50
* apachelogger isn't sure whether there is enough market16:50
jussi01apachelogger: you can try me, but I probably will say "wha?" at the end... :P16:51
apacheloggerjussi01: any music suggestions?16:51
* jussi01 reads back16:51
apacheloggerohhhhhhhhhhhhh16:51
apacheloggerit just hit me16:51
jjesse-dell9apachelogger: ummm i know nothing about kde-nightly-kdeedu16:51
apacheloggerjjesse-dell9: well, a dude requested to add kdeedu to kde-nightly16:52
jussi01apachelogger: dholbachs d+b mix :P16:52
apacheloggernah16:52
apachelogger~np16:52
kubotuapachelogger is listening to "Amarok" by Mike Oldfield [Amarok, 2000]16:52
apacheloggerthere we go16:52
jussi01lol16:52
apacheloggerthe only sensible music16:52
apachelogger-59:1516:52
apacheloggerand so incredibly long16:52
* apachelogger doesn't have to worry about music for the next hour :D16:53
Nightroseapachelogger: +1 for edu - would rock16:53
apacheloggerNightrose: you are biased :P16:54
Nightroseno way! :P16:54
apachelogger~twitter update soon my head will look like a ruby muhahahaha16:55
kubotustatus updated16:55
apacheloggerNightrose: is danny on vacation or something?16:57
apacheloggerthat is a pretty decent lag commit digest got there16:58
Nightroseyea :(16:58
Nightrosedunno why16:58
apacheloggermaybe he also needs a minion16:58
Riddelldoods17:00
seeleduuuuuuude17:00
seeledude?17:00
seeledude.17:00
apachelogger~order tea, earl grey, hot for Riddell17:00
* kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain Riddell.17:00
apachelogger~order coffee for seele17:00
* kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to seele.17:00
seelehow's come i get coffee?17:01
Nightrosedoooooode!17:01
Nightrosethere is a dot story for you17:01
Riddellooh, amarok 2 is out17:01
Nightrose;-)17:01
Riddellah, dot story17:01
apacheloggerdooooot17:01
Nightrosehaha17:01
jussi01Riddell: you anywhere near dholbach atm?17:01
Riddelljussi01: don't see him17:02
jussi01ok17:02
apacheloggerseele: because one needs a good cup of coffee every 3 hours17:02
nixternalI need a good cup of coffee every 3 minutes :)17:03
apacheloggerRiddell: you could try yelling17:03
nixternalI had a good sleep last night...no partying for me17:03
apacheloggernixternal: you must be uber cool then17:03
apacheloggeroh17:03
seelenixternal: you must be hungover17:03
apacheloggerno cool at all17:03
nixternalseele: I never get a hangover unless I drink cheap american beer17:04
nixternalie. miller, bud, coors, and so on17:04
apacheloggeramerican beer = cheap beer17:04
nixternalnot true17:04
apacheloggertrue it is17:04
nixternalGoose Island is one of the best beers in the world17:04
seeleapachelogger: not at all17:04
apacheloggerNightrose: neon started for kde-nightly17:04
Nightrose\o/17:04
seeleapachelogger: there are lots of good beers that don't have commercials on tv17:05
Riddellrgreening had some cheep beer last night17:05
nixternalapachelogger: I will agree that our "corporate american" beers are cheap beers17:05
seeleif you need hot girls to sell your beer..17:05
nixternallol17:05
apacheloggeroioi17:05
nixternalwe have some of the greatest micro-brewed beers I have ever tasted.17:05
nixternaland I would almost consider myself a beer master :p17:05
apacheloggerthat might be because of limit of perspective then17:06
nixternaland a Jager bomb master17:06
apacheloggerthat sounds weird though17:06
apacheloggeranyway17:06
nixternalthough I haven't had a "great" beer since I have been here17:06
* apachelogger goes shooting some borg while neon is trying not to fall apart17:06
nixternalGuiness, but it is out of a bottle at the hotel and it is really nasty that way17:06
crimsunnixternal really means the bombing after the Jager(s)17:06
crimsuna "blowout" indeed17:07
nixternalheh, except the Jager bombs that maddog fed jono and I at Ohio Linux Fest...they didn't have red bull there, so they used some really nasty stuff in them17:07
nixternalhahahah17:07
jussi01meh, forget the beer, have some finnish vodka17:09
seelenixternal: did they use rockstar instead of red bull?17:09
seelejagerbomb can taste pretty funky if you don't use red bull.. or something really similarly flavored17:09
nixternalseele: I think it was something similar to mt. dew actually17:13
seeleew17:14
rgreeningcanadian beer is the best eh17:15
RiddellNightrose: announcement on amarok website doesn't link to kubuntu?17:18
Nightrosedownload page links to it17:18
Riddellamarok website is slow today :)17:19
glade88um.. we were planning to add #kde-forum to the userbase. Cant I login to the kde userbase using my LP login?17:19
RiddellNightrose: http://dot.kde.org/122891787217:19
NightroseRiddell: hehe yea - it is getting toeasted17:20
* Nightrose looks17:20
nixternalI am hungry!17:20
Nightroseglade88: you should17:20
glade88it gives a "Verification error"17:20
NightroseRiddell: yay :)17:20
rgreeningnixternal: Yeah a coffee breakfast didn't cut it today17:24
RiddellNightrose: published17:25
Nightroseweeeeeeeeeeeee17:25
Nightrosethx Riddell :)17:25
* nixternal can't wait for a googrito for lunch17:26
glade88Riddell: can we publish an article on dot news regarding the new #kde-forum channel ?17:27
Riddellan IRC channel for forums?17:30
Riddelldon't we already have a support channel for KDE?17:30
glade88its not a support channel17:31
glade88a forum.kde.org team channel17:31
glade88Riddell: ?17:36
Riddellso why does that need announced to the public?17:37
Riddellsurely the forum team will all know about it17:37
glade88it does..17:37
glade88I was encouraged that we may do this17:37
glade88otherwise, it's okay if it isnt17:37
glade88we already have a thread in the forum about this.17:38
smarterany idea why on a freshly installed Kubuntu 8.10, gtk-qt-engine doesn't seem to work?17:43
seeleRiddell: has the help.kubuntu.org session been cancelled?  jjesse said you guys talked about it yesterday already17:43
jjesse-dell9Riddell: we are skipping it17:44
jjesse-dell9seele: skipping it we discussed it yesterday17:45
jjesse-dell9jono is continuig community roundtable there17:45
seeleoh.. alberto.. not luis17:46
seeleheh17:46
Riddellseele: we never had a paticular session for it, it was part of the doc session yesterday17:46
* seele is bad with names17:46
Riddellor did we?17:46
seeleRiddell: oh, i see it on the schedule17:46
Riddellwhen?17:46
seeleRiddell: now in DIA?17:46
Riddelloh, so it is17:46
seelehttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-10/17:46
Riddellwell it's jjesse-dell9's session and if he says it's cancelled then it is17:47
seeleright..17:47
seelethe point is that is was on the schedule17:47
jjesse-dell9it is on the schedule17:47
jjesse-dell9i didnt realize in the doc session there waas a seperate session17:47
jjesse-dell9so discussed it there17:47
jjesse-dell9and i let jono know he could keep the community room for the next session17:48
jjesse-dell9which is where it was scheduled17:48
jjesse-dell9seele: clan (claire) might need us for rounding people up for the meusum trip this afternoon17:48
seelejjesse-dell9: ok17:48
Riddellsomeone should check with tonio if he knows about the museum17:50
jjesse-dell9Riddell: thought it was just for those sponsered?  was tonio sponsored?17:52
Riddellno, that's why we should let him know if he'll be left behind17:53
Riddellalthough if there's no busses from google today then he's got a long walk back17:53
seelethere are a lot of non sponsored people, there would have to be a bus17:53
Riddellsmarter: check your environment variables are set?17:54
smarterchecked17:55
RiddellGTK2_RC_FILES and that it points to a file that exists?17:55
smarteryes17:55
Riddell/home/jr/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4?17:55
smarteryup, except the jr part of course ;)17:55
Riddelland /usr/share/themes/Qt4/gtk-2.0/gtkrc ?17:55
smarterit includes it, yes17:56
jjesse-dell9gwenview being held back on an update this mroning, using the ppa for kub8untu-users17:59
jjesse-dell9if im using the lcd weather applet shouldnt it update as soon as i sign in?  still siting at no infomration after an hour, even when it is setup to update every 30 minutes18:10
seeleRiddell: would this be able to replace krand upstream?18:14
Riddellseele: yes hope so18:15
seelewhoo18:15
jjesse-dell9what session are you two in?18:17
seelejjesse-dell9: desktop config tool18:17
jjesse-dell9ah18:17
ScottK-laptopNCommander: How's that python-qt4 problem coming?18:21
rgreeningRiddell: How do we ensure this doesn't get lost during the cycle (I mean the KDE FE piece)18:22
Riddellrgreening: FE?18:30
seeleis there a way to install the 4.2 beta packages as another instance of kde like neon instead of upgrading?18:30
rgreeningRiddell: UI (Front-End)18:31
rgreeningseele: not that I am aware of.18:31
seeleboo18:31
NCommanderScottK-laptop, badly18:33
Riddellrgreening: keep poking tseliot :)18:33
NCommanderseele, where was the KDE 4.1 for ARM?18:33
ScottK-laptopMaemo18:33
NCommanderMaemo only has 3.518:33
seeleNCommander: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Maemo/KDE4_on_n81018:34
NCommanderOh18:34
seeledeb http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/maemo binary/18:34
NCommanderI need source packages18:34
seeleah, and it looks like marjin's server is down again18:34
seeleoh, i dunno18:34
RiddellNCommander: try asking Mek18:35
NCommanderwhere do I find him18:35
Riddell#kde-devel18:35
JontheEchidna~np18:37
JontheEchidna~ping18:38
kubotupong18:38
JontheEchidnameh18:38
smarter~np18:38
smarteroh, last.fm is down18:38
JontheEchidnayeah, I was having problems...18:39
* JontheEchidna is listening to "Ordinary Man" by Triumph18:39
JontheEchidnathank god for local collections :P18:39
NCommanderRiddell, well, maemo solved the issue by not building bindings ...18:40
RiddellNCommander: which bindings is he problematic one?18:40
NCommanderpykde418:41
NCommanderYou know, the useful one18:41
Riddellno Sime around18:41
NCommanderNo ping replies18:41
Riddelltried e-mailing sime? or pyqt mailing list?18:42
* JontheEchidna is listening to "Smells Like Nirvana" by Weird Al18:43
NCommanderNot yet, because I'm not actually sure its an issue there18:43
NCommander:-/18:43
RiddellNCommander: not sure it's an issue where?18:45
smarterJontheEchidna: great song, but better with the video :P18:55
JontheEchidnayeah, agreed18:55
JontheEchidnaI wonder if I have "All about the Pentiums"...18:55
JontheEchidnayus!18:56
smarter:]18:56
seeledo you have 404 nor found?18:56
* JontheEchidna rocks \m/18:57
NCommanderRiddell, well, I think the remaining issues are kde4bindings18:57
* JontheEchidna double-clicks on his mizzouse18:58
NCommanderRiddell, if I'm porting a tool that I want to possible included on a Kubuntu seed, do you want it in PyKDE, or PyQT4?18:58
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seelew/in 1018:59
smarterNCommander: pykde is prefered I'd say18:59
smarter*preferred even19:00
Riddellas smarter says19:01
RiddellNCommander: pyqt list also covers pykde, or you can try the kde-bindings mailing list19:01
Riddellwhy oh why does libkhtml not link to libkjs19:02
NCommanderThe python-qt4 list also covers pykde4?19:03
RiddellNCommander: yes19:03
* JontheEchidna is listening to "YYZ" by Rush19:04
seelergreening: /win 219:16
seelegrr19:16
seelergreening: was the encrypted ~ talk the other day or is it this week?19:16
jjesse-dell9nixternal: can you change the kubuntujauntydocumentation spec to link the wiki page i created yesterday instead of KubuntuJaunytSpecs?19:17
jjesse-dell9for some reason i dont have access to it19:17
rgreeningI think tomorrow seele19:18
seeleok19:19
nixternaljjesse-dell9: I can do that...currently in the governance board stuff now19:21
jjesse-dell9nixternal: thanks19:21
smarterhttp://blogs.gnome.org/awalton/2008/12/10/new-notifications-for-jaunty/19:28
* smarter hopes Kubuntu doesn't get left out of this19:28
bobesponjamy amarok2 can't play mp3, anything I need to install? (used to work with 1.x)19:31
crimsunbobesponja: what's your backend?19:34
JontheEchidnaso, what the heck is going on with notifications, and why do we care? :P19:35
cbrsmarter: isn't this what kde 4.2 does?19:36
JontheEchidnayeah, we have a unified notification system with KDE 4.2 (which supports libnotify, iirc)19:36
bobesponjacrimsun: no idea, I just installed amarok-kde4, let me check19:36
smarteroh right :]19:36
* smarter forgot about this thingy in hi systray19:37
smarterthen integration should be easy19:37
smarterand gnomies can copy kde :]19:37
bobesponjacrimsun: gstreamer19:38
bobesponjacrimsun: oh, works good with xine, nice :)19:39
crimsunbobesponja: you probably want gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 or something if you want to use GSt19:40
bobesponjaok, xine would be fine I guess19:40
bobesponjathanks19:40
RiddellJontheEchidna: I don't think it supports libnotify19:42
Riddellsmarter: that's why they're hiring qt/kde developers19:42
JontheEchidnahmm, it was supposed to at one point. I do remember hearing something about politics ripping galago apart from the inside19:42
JontheEchidnaand then kde implemented it in a way that actually made sense :P19:43
seeleRiddell: eek, aseigo might be pinging you about the notification stuff19:45
* smarter would apply if he was old enough to be legally able to work :P19:48
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cbrso is beta 2 tagged already?20:49
RiddellI think the tag just went in20:53
JontheEchidnamm, so then a few hours until the tarballs get generated20:54
Riddellguess so20:55
RiddellJontheEchidna: planning to do the ninja thing?20:55
JontheEchidnadunno who's heading it, but we'll probably do the ninja thing20:55
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: btw, batpull works20:56
apachelogger\o/20:57
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I think you are heading :P20:57
geniiIf using apt-build, is there a deb-src for amarok-kde4     ?21:28
JontheEchidnagenii: deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main21:34
geniiJontheEchidna:  Nice, thanks21:34
Riddellrevu needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qzion22:25
blueyedRiddell: you might want to remove debian/README.Debian22:32
Riddellwell spotted22:37
cbrwoow22:38
cbrlibmsn22:38
cbrin ubuntu22:38
cbrokay, this sucks, i installed it but no msn support in kopete :(22:41
cbrdoes kopete need to be rebuilt or smth?22:42
a|wencbr: you need to rebuild it22:42
cbr:(22:42
a|wencbr: intrepid or jaunty?22:42
cbrjaunty22:42
blueyedRiddell: and it fails to build in my pbuilder (http://pastebin.com/m695281f9 - which looks quite strange). also there are some notes behing the new(?) "Legal" link for the upload (if that needs to get fixed).22:43
* a|wen only got those packages build for intrepid22:43
cbri'll wait for a rebuild then22:43
cbrand continue using gai^Wpidgin22:44
a|weni switched to kmess instead for a short period22:44
Riddellcbr: how did you install it?  it's still in binary new22:46
Riddellcbr: if you want to help the process, writing a main inclusion report would be much appreciated22:47
cbrRiddell: from the new queue in launchpad22:47
Riddellah22:47
a|wencbr: how is the "stability" of jaunty atm?22:52
* a|wen considers upgrading soon22:53
cbrit's pretty solid imo22:53
cbrthe new kde 4.2 stuff tends to be buggy though22:53
a|wencbr: yeah ... i'm already running beta1 in intrepid now22:54
cbrwhich again makes me worried because they pulled similar stuff with 4.0 and 4.1 saying "oh, it's just a beta, we have loads of time to polish" and then just shipped an unpolished blob22:54
a|wenhaven't looked at the timeframe ... when should 4.2 be released?22:56
cbrend of january22:56
cbrthe tagging happens on the 20th22:57
a|wensounds like we should be able to ship a 4.2.x and not the 4.2 clean22:57
* a|wen had kwin crash on him today ... but it managed to save itself including all the windows after some flickering23:01
cbri've had plasma crash23:04
cbrand a hard freeze that was a result of i dont know what23:04
cbrbut that has been from me poking around and configuring stuff23:05
cbrif you let it be, it'll work, i presume23:05
a|wenlet's hope it gets much better when beta becomes release23:05
nixternalRiddell: what track are you currently in?23:24
Riddellnixternal: desktop23:26
nixternalwhat are they covering in there?23:26
jjesse-dell9dont know23:27
Riddellonline services23:28
Riddellbut mostly just telling the online services people when they can get their stuff in, nothing very technical or user experiency23:28
jjesse-dell9or interesting23:29
nixternalRiddell: kde 4 beta2 tarballs are up23:32
jjesse-dell9nixternal: so why dont you have them packaged?23:35
Riddellblueyed: new http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qzion and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qedje up if you can23:39
Riddellseele: fancy a couple of questions on text alongside icons?23:42
seeleRiddell: sure.. sorry.. wasnt paying attention23:47
seelewhere did you run off to?23:47
jjesse-dell9nixternal: do you remember htat doc we looked at through ebn yesterday?23:50
jjesse-dell9kabc or something like that?23:50

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