[00:14] <seele> Riddell: what is your opinion on the ctrl+alt+backspace issue?
[00:14] <seele> Riddell: because it effects kubuntu
[00:22] <ScottK-laptop> seele: I think we should change the K menu to say Start so Windows users won't be confused.
[00:28] <seele> ScottK-laptop: there are many threads on that topic
[00:29] <ScottK-laptop> I thin it's fine the way it is.
[00:32] <seele> hmm.. so we're disabling ctrl+alt+backspace for jaunty
[00:32] <seele> and we are hoping that we get a x.org config GUI to be able to adjust the option
[00:32] <seele> otherwise you have to edit the xorg config
[00:32] <ScottK-laptop> Well 'we' aren't disabling it, upstream is changing the default.
[00:33] <ScottK-laptop> Bad idea, IMO, but I guess we're stuck with it
[00:33] <jtechidna> :/
[00:35] <seele> ScottK-laptop: we're stuck with it
[00:35] <seele> ScottK-laptop: it is an option which can be reenabled
[00:35] <seele> but possibly we wont have a GUI to do that so we would have to edit by hand
[00:36] <seele> which.. i guess for the people who want the ctrl alt backspace could do that
[00:36] <seele> (but then again.. i use it all the time and i hate editing conf files by hand..)
[00:36] <ScottK-laptop> What's the alternative when X hangs?
[00:36] <seele> ScottK-laptop: reboot
[00:37] <ScottK-laptop> How?  ssh?
[00:43] <seele> ScottK-laptop: powerbutton?
[00:43] <seele> ScottK-laptop: i dont know.  i just know that we will have a checkbox where you can reenable the option
[00:44] <ScottK-laptop> seele: That's a hard shutdown, not a reboot
[00:45] <seele> well whatever.  we're stuck with the default.  i'm here to make sure we get our checkbox
[00:47] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  That's something I guess
[00:47] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks
[01:50] <jjesse-dell9> anyone able to get to wiki.kubuntu.org
[01:50] <jjesse-dell9> im getting a internal 500 error
[01:51] <Riddell> mm, broken
[01:52] <jjesse-dell9> hopefully i didnt do it
[02:42] <seele> hmm.. are there any dinner plans?
[02:43] <Riddell> I'm going out shopping
[02:44] <seele> grocery shopping?
[02:49] <Riddell> seele: nail clippers, cobblers, fly's electrics
[02:50] <seele> what's wrong wit your shoes?
[02:50] <seele> and wtf is fly's electrics?
[02:51] <seele> i have a nail file, but that might not be enough?
[02:51] <Riddell> my shoes are falling apart
[02:51] <Riddell> fly's is a computer shop
[02:51] <seele> uh huh
[02:52] <Riddell> well you can convince me to go shopping another time and use your nail file if you want dinner instead
[02:53] <seele> Riddell: i wouldnt want you to go the way of the cobbler's children though
[02:53] <seele> although.. where are you going to get shoes?
[02:53] <seele> hmm.. i did see a khols
[02:53] <Riddell> I have shoes, I just need them to be fixed
[02:53] <seele> you can fix shoes?
[02:54] <Riddell> although having them fixed would mean that I was shoeless for a fit
[02:54] <seele> you are a bit crazy.. if they are broken, why not buy a new pair?
[02:54] <Riddell> it's so sweet when people conform to their national stereotypes :)
[02:54]  * ScottK-laptop wonders what's wrong with duct tape.
[02:55] <seele> but theyre broken! it's not like youre not using a perfectly good pair of shoes
[02:55] <ScottK-laptop> Well you have to break new ones in.
[02:55] <seele> ScottK-laptop: duct tape doesnt work too well on soles
[02:55] <seele> i guess you could patch toe holes that way
[02:55] <seele> i dunno if it would be very water resistant
[02:56] <Riddell> it's not holes, it's the sole coming away from the top half, duct tape wouldn't hold it though and well I wouldn't want to look unfashionable
[02:56] <seele> no.. duct tape is cool with the kids still
[02:56] <DaSkreech> Anyone on KDE 4.1.3 ?
[02:57] <Riddell> not I
[02:57] <seele> Riddell: super glue?
[02:57] <seele> DaSkreech: whats up
[02:57] <Riddell> seele: maybe, I don't have any handy
[02:57] <DaSkreech> I can't open URLs with kate on 4.2 beta
[02:57] <seele> Riddell: super market?
[02:57] <seele> Riddell: i don't know where youre going to find someone to fix your shoes.. did you look up a shop?
[02:57] <Riddell> there's one not far from here
[02:57] <DaSkreech> it tells me that ~/Documents/http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/notifications/notifications-multiverse.txt is not able to be read
[02:58] <seele> whoa.. i have a balcony on my room
[02:58] <Riddell> oh aye balcony, I should take in that washing
[02:58] <DaSkreech> The hell?
[02:58] <seele> DaSkreech: ~/Documents/http://...?
[02:58] <seele> the url worked fine for me
[02:59] <seele> Riddell: so food or maintenance?
[02:59] <DaSkreech> seele: I used to be able to say File -> open -> paste URL -> KIO kicks in
[02:59] <DaSkreech> Now it's not doing it
[02:59] <Riddell> seele: we could walk towards the cobblers and see if there's a restaurant on the way
[02:59] <DaSkreech> Pie cobblers? Or Show Cobblers?
[02:59] <seele> DaSkreech: yeah.. and it worked for me
[02:59] <DaSkreech> 4.1.3 ?
[03:00]  * seele still isn't convinced there is a cobbler
[03:00] <seele> DaSkreech: yep
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Hmm now to figure out if I'm stupid, It's a Kubuntu packaging error or this really is a bug
[03:00] <seele> DaSkreech: not cobbler like the tastey dessert, a shoe fixer upper
[03:01] <seele> Riddell: ok fine.. i'll bring a nail file
[03:01] <DaSkreech> With Elves?
[03:01] <Riddell> seele: see you downstairs :)
[03:01]  * DaSkreech ponders Riddell's penchant for getting thigns shared with him
[03:01] <seele> eh?
[03:02] <DaSkreech> Your nail file?
[03:02] <Riddell> eh to who?
[03:02] <seele> DaSkreech: don't you know that's the only way to get things done?
[03:02] <DaSkreech> heehee
[03:09] <DaSkreech> Anyone one on 4.2 beta 1 ?
[05:16] <seele> DaSkreech: for your information.. no nail file has been shared :P
[05:16] <DaSkreech> seele: Whoot! Riddell's power has been defeated
[05:16] <DaSkreech> or de feeted
[05:17] <DaSkreech> (Nail file reference)
[05:59] <apachelogger> morning
[06:00] <apachelogger> good news! batl10n is working with the new framework.... sort of at least
[06:03]  * apachelogger saddles his pony for the ride to work
[06:04] <DaSkreech> Hi Ho!
[06:10] <jjesse> seele they have rock band going on on the 2nd level behind the elevators if you are interested
[06:16] <DaSkreech> You discovered hidden Elevator Music! Acheivement unlocked
[06:17] <jjesse> lol
[06:17] <jjesse> nope in the hotel here aqt #uds
[06:39] <Riddell> up early Arby?
[06:39] <Arby> Riddell: I'm always up early, just not always on IRC :)
[08:17] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: is, kinda
[08:18] <nixternal> ScottK-laptop: I think "Start" would be better than that silly K
[08:19] <nixternal> Riddell: it is Fry's Electronics...but thank you so much for that laugh :)
[08:20] <nixternal> going through today's show notes up stairs...need to get with tonio and get kde4 beta 1 fixed in our experimental ppa...so if you get a chance you may want to add tonio to that team...tomorrow looks like I will have some free hacking time to work on some stuff
[08:28] <rgreening> nixternal: But of course we'd be oblidged to spell it KStart to not confuse KDE users
[08:59] <cbr> woow, with new mesa i get 1100 fps @ glxgears instead of 220
[08:59] <cbr> and composite effects look smoother
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Is kinda?
[09:32] <jussi01> @now LA
[09:32] <jussi01> @now Los angeles
[09:38]  * hunger wonders why he has pulseaudio start up all the time.
[09:38] <hunger> Is that used by ubuntu or kde nowadays?
[10:42] <Nightrose> ~seen johntheechidna
[10:42] <kubotu> nope!
[10:43] <Nightrose> ~seen jontheechidna
[10:43] <kubotu> JontheEchidna was last seen 15 hours, 4 minutes and 2 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
[10:44] <Nightrose> better ;-)
[11:14] <Nightrose> jtechidna: ping
[11:16] <doc___> hi there
[12:25] <Nightrose> apachelogger: jtechidna: ScottK: ScottK-laptop: ~30 minutes left until A2 - can one of you copy it over?
[12:36] <fehrp> I suggest having the possibility to revert to the last 1 or 2 versions of any packet, when residing in unstable branch. Because most of the "updates" worsen or break the software. This happens just too often and no reversion is made possible.
[12:36] <fehrp> People who use only "stable" repos have to live with old or even antique software.
[12:37] <fehrp> This is nowhere an acceptable solution for someone, who has to work with his computer
[12:37] <fehrp> I mean, work in the sense of being sort of compatible with other distros/OSes documents/softwares
[12:38] <directhex> your definition of antique is a little odd
[12:38] <fehrp> antique: 2 or 3 years
[12:38] <directhex> (k)ubuntu is released every 6 months. that's hardly neolithic
[12:39] <fehrp> well, the IT is another topic than like paintings, developping quite faster.
[12:40] <fehrp> so antique is appropriate
[12:40] <fehrp> directhex: yes, but the software updates come more often
[12:40] <fehrp> like once or twice a week
[12:41] <Nightrose> someone here who has access to the batcave?
[12:41] <Nightrose> NEED YOU! ;-)
[12:41] <directhex> during development, yes. people are constantly changing things and developing things and working on things. certainly there's nothing even close to "stability" in the first 4 months of a release's development cycle
[12:42] <directhex> but there are a few points. firstly, if you know which package broke, then either install the older deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/ or download the package from launchpad, which maintains a complete history
[12:42] <directhex> secondly, if you can't help identify problems, then are you sure you should be running a development release during its early days?
[12:45] <fehrp> Guys, just as a game of thoughts: How about making the last update reversible? This would save AN EXTREMELY lot of hassle. Since the policy: only the latest version is available.
[12:47] <directhex> it would require significant changes to the way the archive works. what would it achieve?
[12:47] <fehrp> directhex: I NEED openoffice 3.0 because we WORK with it at WORK, you know?
[12:48] <fehrp> stable is only openoffice 2.4, which lacks a lot of EXTREMLY important functions.
[12:49] <directhex> https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive
[12:49] <fehrp> directhex: your note on the archive was what I needed, thanks!
[12:49] <directhex> OOo packages for intrepid. job jobbed.
[12:49] <fehrp> great, thanks
[13:03] <ScottK-laptop> Nightrose: I don't think I have any special access there.
[13:03] <Nightrose> hmmm Harald asked me to ping you or Jon to copy it over if he is not around
[13:04] <fehrp> directhex: cd /home/fehrp/Documents/LOS
[13:04] <fehrp> clear
[13:04] <fehrp> cd /home/fehrp/Documents/LOS
[13:04] <fehrp> clear
[13:04] <Nightrose> maybe you have access to the ppa - i don't know where he uploaded it
[13:04] <ScottK-laptop> Dunno.  I've got no time for the next several hours anyway.
[13:04] <ScottK-laptop> I can probably investigate in about 4 hours.
[13:04] <Nightrose> ok
[13:04] <Nightrose> thx
[13:05] <fehrp> directhex: there is only one OO package for intrepid: version: 1:3.0.0-6ubuntu0intrepid1 but I need the last one. the one that was actual until like some days
[13:05] <ScottK-laptop> Currently getting kids off to school and then I have to take a dog to the vet.
[13:06] <Nightrose> alright - don't worry
[13:06] <Nightrose> we'll get it done somehow
[13:10] <NCommander> Nightrose, which PPA?
[13:10] <fehrp> directhex: there is only a diff:
[13:10] <fehrp> directhex: there is only a diff:
[13:10] <fehrp> * 1:3.0.0-4ubuntu0intrepid1 to 1:3.0.0-6ubuntu0intrepid1 (221.3 KiB)
[13:10] <fehrp> * 1:3.0.0-4ubuntu0intrepid1 to 1:3.0.0-6ubuntu0intrepid1 (221.3 KiB)
[13:10] <Nightrose> NCommander: dunno - that is the tricky part ;-)
[13:10] <fehrp> directhex: there is only a diff:
[13:10] <Nightrose> NCommander: if you could find out that would be perfect
[13:10] <fehrp> 1:3.0.0-4ubuntu0intrepid1 to 1:3.0.0-6ubuntu0intrepid1 (221.3 KiB)
[13:10] <fehrp> ls
[13:11] <fehrp> cd /home/fehrp/Documents
[13:12] <fehrp> re
[13:12] <fehrp> directhex: there is no version but the latest on launchpad for openoffice 3.0
[13:12] <fehrp> there is however a diff to the .4 version to .6
[13:13] <fehrp> but that does not help
[13:19] <NCommander> so how goes your time of day Nightrose?
[13:19] <Nightrose> busy busy
[13:19] <Nightrose> and drupal is a pita
[13:19] <Nightrose> right now at least
[13:19] <NCommander> I'll give you that
[13:19]  * NCommander is working on the all anonying KDE on ARM issue :-/
[13:19] <Nightrose> do you know if there is a page we can link to on kubuntu.org?
[13:19] <NCommander> link to what?
[13:20] <Nightrose> announcement for kubuntu packages
[13:20] <Nightrose> usually apachelogger and jtechidna prepare one
[13:20]  * Nightrose pokes Riddell
[13:31] <jtechidna> \o
[13:32] <Nightrose> hey
[13:32] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: how about A2?
[13:32] <Nightrose> Harald told me to poke you
[13:32] <Nightrose> i am nearly done now so hurry hurry hurry ;-)
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> nice, he already has the package stuffed away in a ppa
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> I'll just copy it over and prepare a story
[13:34] <Nightrose> perfect
[13:34] <Nightrose> thanks
[13:34] <Nightrose> ping me when done
[13:37] <NCommander> hey JontheEchidna
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: any release announcement url I can link to yet? (If not I can edit the story and throw the link in the minute it goes up)
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> hi NCommander
[13:38] <NCommander> how goes it?
[13:39] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.0 in a few minutes
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> ok
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: ready when you are
[13:47] <apachelogger> bonjour
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> It might take a minute or two for the story to hit the frontpage, so just say when
[13:47] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: great - 5 more minutes - and if you want you could update the wiki page for the kubuntu download
[13:47] <Nightrose> that would really help
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> the repository guide?
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> or the adept howto?
[13:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu
[13:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I think I fixed the tag based releasing
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> ah, amarok wiki :P
[13:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: ?
[13:48] <Nightrose> ah
[13:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: release script
[13:49] <Nightrose> great
[13:49] <Nightrose> \o/
[13:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: and I began refactoring the translation stuff, sorting for the statistics  works, I just need to find a sensible way to drop translations that don't match the requirements
[13:49]  * JontheEchidna wonders how to use his launchpad openid
[13:49] <Nightrose> apachelogger: cool
[13:49] <Nightrose> apachelogger++
[13:49] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna++
[13:50] <apachelogger> in related news: I merged gypsy with batscripts into kubuntu-dev-tools, manpages and stuff for first iteration are ready, so I can push that stuff once I ensured all the magic works
[13:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: on your profile page you should find a URL
[13:50] <apachelogger> enter that in the login field and you should be good to go
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> oh, my profile url is my openid url
[13:51] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: replace stable with 2.0 please
[13:51] <Nightrose> we're not keeping 1.4 around there
[13:53]  * apachelogger notes that highlighting in quassel appears to be b0rked when no client is connected -.-
[13:54] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: ok ready to go in 2 minutes
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> k, up the kubuntu page goes
[13:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: add a pagebreak somewhere
[13:55]  * JontheEchidna forgot, oops
[13:55] <JontheEchidna> and grammar error
[13:55] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: wiki updated?
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> just a second
[13:56] <apachelogger> hm
[13:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does one actually need backports?
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> yes, it deps on 4.1.3
[13:56] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:56] <JontheEchidna> apparently there was a build issue with 4.1.2
[13:57] <apachelogger> how come?
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[13:57] <apachelogger> p3a isn't using backports as package source
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> hmm, then I guess it was resolved
[13:57] <apachelogger> or I built against 4.1.80 :P
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> that would be shitty
[13:58] <glade88> an admin linky here? http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu oO
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: wiki updated
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> glade88: reload
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> <.<
[13:58] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: yay
[13:58] <Nightrose> thx
[13:58] <glade88> ++
[13:58] <glade88> :D
[13:58] <apachelogger> *downloading deb*
[13:59] <glade88> https://www.kubuntu.org/node/59 doesnt open for me.. :/
[13:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna:  Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.2), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.2),
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> oh, I guess that part can be removed then :P
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> glade88: it takes a bit for it to actually hit the front page, some technical shit about caches and the space-time continuuim
[14:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no
[14:00] <apachelogger> kubuntu.org doesn't use https :P
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> oh
[14:00] <glade88> hehe
[14:00] <glade88> +1 .. works now
[14:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: hold on
[14:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please use that url http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.0
[14:02] <JontheEchidna> ok
[14:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you mustn't forget to set the URL path setting ;-)
[14:02] <apachelogger> node/X looks way too awkward
[14:05] <apachelogger> hm
[14:05] <apachelogger> does the news go frontpage for anyone?
[14:05]  * apachelogger thinks it doesn't like that it was a menu before
[14:05] <apachelogger> ah, nvm
[14:06] <glade88> so node/59 would be a permalink, right? if so, this baby goes into kubuntuforums news :)
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> wiki and story updated
[14:07] <apachelogger> glade88: news/amarok-2.0
[14:07] <glade88> thanks
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> aside from that old kubuntu graphic on the wiki everything's good to go
[14:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: maybe I say something rude?
[14:08] <apachelogger> *may
[14:08] <Nightrose> shoot
[14:08] <NCommander> morning apachelogger
[14:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that theme is an abomination of what pasi and I created
[14:08] <apachelogger> hola NCommander
[14:09] <NCommander> how goes it apachelogger?
[14:09] <Nightrose> apachelogger: heh - talk to krf and Ian
[14:09]  * NCommander finally has stopped spinning his wheels w/ kde4bindings
[14:09] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I'd rather not, I might have to throw up
[14:09] <apachelogger> anywho
[14:09] <apachelogger> Amarok got a fine release manager ;-)
[14:09] <apachelogger> Nightrose++
[14:10] <Nightrose> :)
[14:10]  * Nightrose bounces
[14:10] <apachelogger> NCommander: drowning in ruby
[14:10] <NCommander> impressive
[14:10] <apachelogger> well, I think kubuntu-dev-tools is close to release
[14:10] <apachelogger> though I also thought that like a week ago ;-)
[14:12] <glade88> this may be minor, but can the link "Adept howto" on the news page not point to the Kubuntu wiki but the ubuntu wiki.. orange looks ugly :/
[14:13] <apachelogger> glade88: it is consistent with the other link
[14:13] <apachelogger> besides, IMHO orange > current kubuntu wiki theme
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> lol
[14:14]  * JontheEchidna updated the artwork for the kubuntu amarok-wiki page
[14:14] <apachelogger> \o/
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu
[14:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna++
[14:14] <apachelogger> Nightrose: where and when is release parte?
[14:14] <Nightrose> see ako ;-)
[14:14] <glade88> JontheEchidna: sweeet!
[14:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I am already feeling sick enough :P
[14:15] <Nightrose> hehe
[14:16] <apachelogger> hm, one parte, and no sensible date :(
[14:16] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how about we throw a IRC party?
[14:17] <apachelogger> by we I of course mean you and JontheEchidna :P
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:17] <Nightrose> sounds perfect
[14:17] <Nightrose> count me in
[14:17] <apachelogger> hooray
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you should break out that intrepid wallpaper you made
[14:17] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, any news on fkefer's rely project?
[14:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: true
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> maybe write AMAROK TOO all over it
[14:18] <apachelogger> if I find it...
[14:18] <Nightrose> apachelogger: rely project?
[14:18] <apachelogger> streaming
[14:19] <Nightrose> ah
[14:19] <Nightrose> no idea
[14:19] <Nightrose> sent him to work it out with paleo
[14:19] <Nightrose> he seemed ok with it
[14:20] <glade88> er.. I fixed the Kubuntu logos on the polski and chinese (japanese?) pages.. but couldnt edit the content.
[14:20] <apachelogger> glade88: you don't speak japanese?
[14:21] <glade88> definitely not :p :D
[14:21] <apachelogger> now that is not good
[14:21] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I am quite sure that would kill kollide ;-)
[14:21] <Nightrose> apachelogger: well that's why i send him to paleo ;-)
[14:22] <apachelogger> good point
[14:24]  * JontheEchidna amarocks
[14:26] <apachelogger> oh dear
[14:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I made super mario look french
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> D:
[14:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/Zeichnung.png
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> haha
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> lol @ kbluetooth
[14:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you think I have to mark the party name as (c) markey?
[14:30] <apachelogger> after all he came up with that
[14:30] <Nightrose> nah - sven came up with it iirc
 [18:35:59] <markey> 2.0 itself is the big name
 [18:36:08] <markey> anything would just distract from it
[14:31] <Nightrose> ah
[14:31] <Nightrose> :P
[14:31] <Nightrose> indeed
[14:31] <apachelogger> maybe markey copied from sven
[14:31] <apachelogger> then markey didn't care about the copyright
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> lol
[14:33] <apachelogger> I actually had voyager in the upper right heaven, but somehow every approach of drawing it ended up looking pretty obscene
[14:33] <apachelogger> s/heaven/sky
[14:37] <glade88> amarok-kde4 is just a 12MB install oO
[14:38] <apachelogger> "just"
[14:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you ever clean out the icons directory?
[14:38] <Nightrose> nope - Gerry is working on it
[14:39] <apachelogger> ok
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> http://digg.com/software/Amarok_2_0_0_Released
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> digg it!
[15:22] <glade88> soo.. what am I missing here? http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4314/snapshot2df5.jpg
[15:23] <glade88> playlists, plugins, connections.. nada
[15:23] <glade88> *collections
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> o.o
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> maybe try wiping your ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok and ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc?
[15:30] <cbr> woow, the latest mesa speeded kde effects up a lot but the menu b0rkage is still pretty awful :(
[15:30] <glade88> JontheEchidna: back to business :D
[15:30] <cbr> when it draws, the background is black for a fraction of a second
[15:30] <cbr> or rippled
[15:31] <cbr> especially bad in firefox
[15:31] <cbr> pretty awful in amarok too though
[15:56] <cbr> apachelogger: hi
[15:56] <cbr> i'm trying the capseo kwin decode thingy
[15:57] <cbr> and it wont work in jaunty
[15:57] <cbr> mplayer cant detect the codec or smth
[16:23] <apachelogger> cbr: possible, that stuff is rotting away
[16:24] <cbr> why can't it be encoded in something reasonable?
[16:25] <apachelogger> because captury is made as reference implementation for capseo
[16:25] <apachelogger> and kwin uses captury because it is the only sensible thing that comes with a lib
[16:32] <apachelogger> music isn't what it used to be
[16:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: any suggestions?
[16:32] <Nightrose> moby!
[16:34] <apachelogger> I assimilated all of moby
[16:34] <apachelogger> nothing new there
[16:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I also need a new minion, my old one aint coming back
[16:38] <Nightrose> your minion "verschleiß" is too high honey!
[16:38] <Nightrose> you need to take better care of them
[16:39] <apachelogger> Nightrose: they just don't messure up to me, I would need ~5 of them :S
[16:39] <Nightrose> ;-)
[16:40] <apachelogger> aha!
[16:40] <apachelogger> -- Installing: /build/buildd/kde-nightly-kdebase-20081209.7+svn895076/debian/tmp/etc/kde4/wallpaper.knsrc
[16:40] <apachelogger> that also explains the menu issue
[16:43] <apachelogger> hm
[16:43] <apachelogger> merging my server branch of neon with the one on launchpad is going to be fun :S
[16:47] <jjesse-dell9> mo4nint
[16:47] <jjesse-dell9> morning :)
[16:47] <apachelogger> aloha jjesse-dell9
[16:47] <jjesse-dell9> aloha apachelogger
[16:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I think I just fixed GHNS and the menu issue in kde-nightly
[16:48] <Nightrose> wohooooooooo
[16:49] <apachelogger> well, once cdbs is built and I invoke usual uploads at least
[16:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: are you busy?
[16:50] <Nightrose> a tiny little bit ;-)
[16:50] <Nightrose> read: very much so
[16:50] <apachelogger> lolz
[16:50]  * apachelogger needs someone else to talk to
[16:50] <apachelogger> jjesse-dell9: what do you think about adding kde-nightly-kdeedu?
[16:50]  * apachelogger isn't sure whether there is enough market
[16:51] <jussi01> apachelogger: you can try me, but I probably will say "wha?" at the end... :P
[16:51] <apachelogger> jussi01: any music suggestions?
[16:51]  * jussi01 reads back
[16:51] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:51] <apachelogger> it just hit me
[16:51] <jjesse-dell9> apachelogger: ummm i know nothing about kde-nightly-kdeedu
[16:52] <apachelogger> jjesse-dell9: well, a dude requested to add kdeedu to kde-nightly
[16:52] <jussi01> apachelogger: dholbachs d+b mix :P
[16:52] <apachelogger> nah
[16:52] <apachelogger> ~np
[16:52] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Amarok" by Mike Oldfield [Amarok, 2000]
[16:52] <apachelogger> there we go
[16:52] <jussi01> lol
[16:52] <apachelogger> the only sensible music
[16:52] <apachelogger> -59:15
[16:52] <apachelogger> and so incredibly long
[16:53]  * apachelogger doesn't have to worry about music for the next hour :D
[16:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: +1 for edu - would rock
[16:54] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you are biased :P
[16:54] <Nightrose> no way! :P
[16:55] <apachelogger> ~twitter update soon my head will look like a ruby muhahahaha
[16:55] <kubotu> status updated
[16:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: is danny on vacation or something?
[16:58] <apachelogger> that is a pretty decent lag commit digest got there
[16:58] <Nightrose> yea :(
[16:58] <Nightrose> dunno why
[16:58] <apachelogger> maybe he also needs a minion
[17:00] <Riddell> doods
[17:00] <seele> duuuuuuude
[17:00] <seele> dude?
[17:00] <seele> dude.
[17:00] <apachelogger> ~order tea, earl grey, hot for Riddell
[17:00]  * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain Riddell.
[17:00] <apachelogger> ~order coffee for seele
[17:00]  * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to seele.
[17:01] <seele> how's come i get coffee?
[17:01] <Nightrose> doooooode!
[17:01] <Nightrose> there is a dot story for you
[17:01] <Riddell> ooh, amarok 2 is out
[17:01] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:01] <Riddell> ah, dot story
[17:01] <apachelogger> dooooot
[17:01] <Nightrose> haha
[17:01] <jussi01> Riddell: you anywhere near dholbach atm?
[17:02] <Riddell> jussi01: don't see him
[17:02] <jussi01> ok
[17:02] <apachelogger> seele: because one needs a good cup of coffee every 3 hours
[17:03] <nixternal> I need a good cup of coffee every 3 minutes :)
[17:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: you could try yelling
[17:03] <nixternal> I had a good sleep last night...no partying for me
[17:03] <apachelogger> nixternal: you must be uber cool then
[17:03] <apachelogger> oh
[17:03] <seele> nixternal: you must be hungover
[17:03] <apachelogger> no cool at all
[17:04] <nixternal> seele: I never get a hangover unless I drink cheap american beer
[17:04] <nixternal> ie. miller, bud, coors, and so on
[17:04] <apachelogger> american beer = cheap beer
[17:04] <nixternal> not true
[17:04] <apachelogger> true it is
[17:04] <nixternal> Goose Island is one of the best beers in the world
[17:04] <seele> apachelogger: not at all
[17:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: neon started for kde-nightly
[17:04] <Nightrose> \o/
[17:05] <seele> apachelogger: there are lots of good beers that don't have commercials on tv
[17:05] <Riddell> rgreening had some cheep beer last night
[17:05] <nixternal> apachelogger: I will agree that our "corporate american" beers are cheap beers
[17:05] <seele> if you need hot girls to sell your beer..
[17:05] <nixternal> lol
[17:05] <apachelogger> oioi
[17:05] <nixternal> we have some of the greatest micro-brewed beers I have ever tasted.
[17:05] <nixternal> and I would almost consider myself a beer master :p
[17:06] <apachelogger> that might be because of limit of perspective then
[17:06] <nixternal> and a Jager bomb master
[17:06] <apachelogger> that sounds weird though
[17:06] <apachelogger> anyway
[17:06] <nixternal> though I haven't had a "great" beer since I have been here
[17:06]  * apachelogger goes shooting some borg while neon is trying not to fall apart
[17:06] <nixternal> Guiness, but it is out of a bottle at the hotel and it is really nasty that way
[17:06] <crimsun> nixternal really means the bombing after the Jager(s)
[17:07] <crimsun> a "blowout" indeed
[17:07] <nixternal> heh, except the Jager bombs that maddog fed jono and I at Ohio Linux Fest...they didn't have red bull there, so they used some really nasty stuff in them
[17:07] <nixternal> hahahah
[17:09] <jussi01> meh, forget the beer, have some finnish vodka
[17:09] <seele> nixternal: did they use rockstar instead of red bull?
[17:09] <seele> jagerbomb can taste pretty funky if you don't use red bull.. or something really similarly flavored
[17:13] <nixternal> seele: I think it was something similar to mt. dew actually
[17:14] <seele> ew
[17:15] <rgreening> canadian beer is the best eh
[17:18] <Riddell> Nightrose: announcement on amarok website doesn't link to kubuntu?
[17:18] <Nightrose> download page links to it
[17:19] <Riddell> amarok website is slow today :)
[17:19] <glade88> um.. we were planning to add #kde-forum to the userbase. Cant I login to the kde userbase using my LP login?
[17:19] <Riddell> Nightrose: http://dot.kde.org/1228917872
[17:20] <Nightrose> Riddell: hehe yea - it is getting toeasted
[17:20]  * Nightrose looks
[17:20] <nixternal> I am hungry!
[17:20] <Nightrose> glade88: you should
[17:20] <glade88> it gives a "Verification error"
[17:20] <Nightrose> Riddell: yay :)
[17:24] <rgreening> nixternal: Yeah a coffee breakfast didn't cut it today
[17:25] <Riddell> Nightrose: published
[17:25] <Nightrose> weeeeeeeeeeeee
[17:25] <Nightrose> thx Riddell :)
[17:26]  * nixternal can't wait for a googrito for lunch
[17:27] <glade88> Riddell: can we publish an article on dot news regarding the new #kde-forum channel ?
[17:30] <Riddell> an IRC channel for forums?
[17:30] <Riddell> don't we already have a support channel for KDE?
[17:31] <glade88> its not a support channel
[17:31] <glade88> a forum.kde.org team channel
[17:36] <glade88> Riddell: ?
[17:37] <Riddell> so why does that need announced to the public?
[17:37] <Riddell> surely the forum team will all know about it
[17:37] <glade88> it does..
[17:37] <glade88> I was encouraged that we may do this
[17:37] <glade88> otherwise, it's okay if it isnt
[17:38] <glade88> we already have a thread in the forum about this.
[17:43] <smarter> any idea why on a freshly installed Kubuntu 8.10, gtk-qt-engine doesn't seem to work?
[17:43] <seele> Riddell: has the help.kubuntu.org session been cancelled?  jjesse said you guys talked about it yesterday already
[17:44] <jjesse-dell9> Riddell: we are skipping it
[17:45] <jjesse-dell9> seele: skipping it we discussed it yesterday
[17:45] <jjesse-dell9> jono is continuig community roundtable there
[17:46] <seele> oh.. alberto.. not luis
[17:46] <seele> heh
[17:46] <Riddell> seele: we never had a paticular session for it, it was part of the doc session yesterday
[17:46]  * seele is bad with names
[17:46] <Riddell> or did we?
[17:46] <seele> Riddell: oh, i see it on the schedule
[17:46] <Riddell> when?
[17:46] <seele> Riddell: now in DIA?
[17:46] <Riddell> oh, so it is
[17:46] <seele> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/2008-12-10/
[17:47] <Riddell> well it's jjesse-dell9's session and if he says it's cancelled then it is
[17:47] <seele> right..
[17:47] <seele> the point is that is was on the schedule
[17:47] <jjesse-dell9> it is on the schedule
[17:47] <jjesse-dell9> i didnt realize in the doc session there waas a seperate session
[17:47] <jjesse-dell9> so discussed it there
[17:48] <jjesse-dell9> and i let jono know he could keep the community room for the next session
[17:48] <jjesse-dell9> which is where it was scheduled
[17:48] <jjesse-dell9> seele: clan (claire) might need us for rounding people up for the meusum trip this afternoon
[17:48] <seele> jjesse-dell9: ok
[17:50] <Riddell> someone should check with tonio if he knows about the museum
[17:52] <jjesse-dell9> Riddell: thought it was just for those sponsered?  was tonio sponsored?
[17:53] <Riddell> no, that's why we should let him know if he'll be left behind
[17:53] <Riddell> although if there's no busses from google today then he's got a long walk back
[17:53] <seele> there are a lot of non sponsored people, there would have to be a bus
[17:54] <Riddell> smarter: check your environment variables are set?
[17:55] <smarter> checked
[17:55] <Riddell> GTK2_RC_FILES and that it points to a file that exists?
[17:55] <smarter> yes
[17:55] <Riddell> /home/jr/.gtkrc-2.0-kde4?
[17:55] <smarter> yup, except the jr part of course ;)
[17:55] <Riddell> and /usr/share/themes/Qt4/gtk-2.0/gtkrc ?
[17:56] <smarter> it includes it, yes
[17:59] <jjesse-dell9> gwenview being held back on an update this mroning, using the ppa for kub8untu-users
[18:10] <jjesse-dell9> if im using the lcd weather applet shouldnt it update as soon as i sign in?  still siting at no infomration after an hour, even when it is setup to update every 30 minutes
[18:14] <seele> Riddell: would this be able to replace krand upstream?
[18:15] <Riddell> seele: yes hope so
[18:15] <seele> whoo
[18:17] <jjesse-dell9> what session are you two in?
[18:17] <seele> jjesse-dell9: desktop config tool
[18:17] <jjesse-dell9> ah
[18:21] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: How's that python-qt4 problem coming?
[18:22] <rgreening> Riddell: How do we ensure this doesn't get lost during the cycle (I mean the KDE FE piece)
[18:30] <Riddell> rgreening: FE?
[18:30] <seele> is there a way to install the 4.2 beta packages as another instance of kde like neon instead of upgrading?
[18:31] <rgreening> Riddell: UI (Front-End)
[18:31] <rgreening> seele: not that I am aware of.
[18:31] <seele> boo
[18:33] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, badly
[18:33] <Riddell> rgreening: keep poking tseliot :)
[18:33] <NCommander> seele, where was the KDE 4.1 for ARM?
[18:33] <ScottK-laptop> Maemo
[18:33] <NCommander> Maemo only has 3.5
[18:34] <seele> NCommander: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Maemo/KDE4_on_n810
[18:34] <NCommander> Oh
[18:34] <seele> deb http://93.157.1.37/~marijn/maemo binary/
[18:34] <NCommander> I need source packages
[18:34] <seele> ah, and it looks like marjin's server is down again
[18:34] <seele> oh, i dunno
[18:35] <Riddell> NCommander: try asking Mek
[18:35] <NCommander> where do I find him
[18:35] <Riddell> #kde-devel
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> ~np
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> ~ping
[18:38] <kubotu> pong
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> meh
[18:38] <smarter> ~np
[18:38] <smarter> oh, last.fm is down
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I was having problems...
[18:39]  * JontheEchidna is listening to "Ordinary Man" by Triumph
[18:39] <JontheEchidna> thank god for local collections :P
[18:40] <NCommander> Riddell, well, maemo solved the issue by not building bindings ...
[18:40] <Riddell> NCommander: which bindings is he problematic one?
[18:41] <NCommander> pykde4
[18:41] <NCommander> You know, the useful one
[18:41] <Riddell> no Sime around
[18:41] <NCommander> No ping replies
[18:42] <Riddell> tried e-mailing sime? or pyqt mailing list?
[18:43]  * JontheEchidna is listening to "Smells Like Nirvana" by Weird Al
[18:43] <NCommander> Not yet, because I'm not actually sure its an issue there
[18:43] <NCommander> :-/
[18:45] <Riddell> NCommander: not sure it's an issue where?
[18:55] <smarter> JontheEchidna: great song, but better with the video :P
[18:55] <JontheEchidna> yeah, agreed
[18:55] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if I have "All about the Pentiums"...
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> yus!
[18:56] <smarter> :]
[18:56] <seele> do you have 404 nor found?
[18:57]  * JontheEchidna rocks \m/
[18:57] <NCommander> Riddell, well, I think the remaining issues are kde4bindings
[18:58]  * JontheEchidna double-clicks on his mizzouse
[18:58] <NCommander> Riddell, if I'm porting a tool that I want to possible included on a Kubuntu seed, do you want it in PyKDE, or PyQT4?
[18:59] <seele> w/in 10
[18:59] <smarter> NCommander: pykde is prefered I'd say
[19:00] <smarter> *preferred even
[19:01] <Riddell> as smarter says
[19:01] <Riddell> NCommander: pyqt list also covers pykde, or you can try the kde-bindings mailing list
[19:02] <Riddell> why oh why does libkhtml not link to libkjs
[19:03] <NCommander> The python-qt4 list also covers pykde4?
[19:03] <Riddell> NCommander: yes
[19:04]  * JontheEchidna is listening to "YYZ" by Rush
[19:16] <seele> rgreening: /win 2
[19:16] <seele> grr
[19:16] <seele> rgreening: was the encrypted ~ talk the other day or is it this week?
[19:17] <jjesse-dell9> nixternal: can you change the kubuntujauntydocumentation spec to link the wiki page i created yesterday instead of KubuntuJaunytSpecs?
[19:17] <jjesse-dell9> for some reason i dont have access to it
[19:18] <rgreening> I think tomorrow seele
[19:19] <seele> ok
[19:21] <nixternal> jjesse-dell9: I can do that...currently in the governance board stuff now
[19:21] <jjesse-dell9> nixternal: thanks
[19:28] <smarter> http://blogs.gnome.org/awalton/2008/12/10/new-notifications-for-jaunty/
[19:28]  * smarter hopes Kubuntu doesn't get left out of this
[19:31] <bobesponja> my amarok2 can't play mp3, anything I need to install? (used to work with 1.x)
[19:34] <crimsun> bobesponja: what's your backend?
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> so, what the heck is going on with notifications, and why do we care? :P
[19:36] <cbr> smarter: isn't this what kde 4.2 does?
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> yeah, we have a unified notification system with KDE 4.2 (which supports libnotify, iirc)
[19:36] <bobesponja> crimsun: no idea, I just installed amarok-kde4, let me check
[19:36] <smarter> oh right :]
[19:37]  * smarter forgot about this thingy in hi systray
[19:37] <smarter> then integration should be easy
[19:37] <smarter> and gnomies can copy kde :]
[19:38] <bobesponja> crimsun: gstreamer
[19:39] <bobesponja> crimsun: oh, works good with xine, nice :)
[19:40] <crimsun> bobesponja: you probably want gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 or something if you want to use GSt
[19:40] <bobesponja> ok, xine would be fine I guess
[19:40] <bobesponja> thanks
[19:42] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I don't think it supports libnotify
[19:42] <Riddell> smarter: that's why they're hiring qt/kde developers
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> hmm, it was supposed to at one point. I do remember hearing something about politics ripping galago apart from the inside
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> and then kde implemented it in a way that actually made sense :P
[19:45] <seele> Riddell: eek, aseigo might be pinging you about the notification stuff
[19:48]  * smarter would apply if he was old enough to be legally able to work :P
[20:49] <cbr> so is beta 2 tagged already?
[20:53] <Riddell> I think the tag just went in
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> mm, so then a few hours until the tarballs get generated
[20:55] <Riddell> guess so
[20:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: planning to do the ninja thing?
[20:55] <JontheEchidna> dunno who's heading it, but we'll probably do the ninja thing
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, batpull works
[20:57] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think you are heading :P
[21:28] <genii> If using apt-build, is there a deb-src for amarok-kde4     ?
[21:34] <JontheEchidna> genii: deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main
[21:34] <genii> JontheEchidna:  Nice, thanks
[22:25] <Riddell> revu needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qzion
[22:32] <blueyed> Riddell: you might want to remove debian/README.Debian
[22:37] <Riddell> well spotted
[22:38] <cbr> woow
[22:38] <cbr> libmsn
[22:38] <cbr> in ubuntu
[22:41] <cbr> okay, this sucks, i installed it but no msn support in kopete :(
[22:42] <cbr> does kopete need to be rebuilt or smth?
[22:42] <a|wen> cbr: you need to rebuild it
[22:42] <cbr> :(
[22:42] <a|wen> cbr: intrepid or jaunty?
[22:42] <cbr> jaunty
[22:43] <blueyed> Riddell: and it fails to build in my pbuilder (http://pastebin.com/m695281f9 - which looks quite strange). also there are some notes behing the new(?) "Legal" link for the upload (if that needs to get fixed).
[22:43]  * a|wen only got those packages build for intrepid
[22:43] <cbr> i'll wait for a rebuild then
[22:44] <cbr> and continue using gai^Wpidgin
[22:44] <a|wen> i switched to kmess instead for a short period
[22:46] <Riddell> cbr: how did you install it?  it's still in binary new
[22:47] <Riddell> cbr: if you want to help the process, writing a main inclusion report would be much appreciated
[22:47] <cbr> Riddell: from the new queue in launchpad
[22:47] <Riddell> ah
[22:52] <a|wen> cbr: how is the "stability" of jaunty atm?
[22:53]  * a|wen considers upgrading soon
[22:53] <cbr> it's pretty solid imo
[22:53] <cbr> the new kde 4.2 stuff tends to be buggy though
[22:54] <a|wen> cbr: yeah ... i'm already running beta1 in intrepid now
[22:54] <cbr> which again makes me worried because they pulled similar stuff with 4.0 and 4.1 saying "oh, it's just a beta, we have loads of time to polish" and then just shipped an unpolished blob
[22:56] <a|wen> haven't looked at the timeframe ... when should 4.2 be released?
[22:56] <cbr> end of january
[22:57] <cbr> the tagging happens on the 20th
[22:57] <a|wen> sounds like we should be able to ship a 4.2.x and not the 4.2 clean
[23:01]  * a|wen had kwin crash on him today ... but it managed to save itself including all the windows after some flickering
[23:04] <cbr> i've had plasma crash
[23:04] <cbr> and a hard freeze that was a result of i dont know what
[23:05] <cbr> but that has been from me poking around and configuring stuff
[23:05] <cbr> if you let it be, it'll work, i presume
[23:05] <a|wen> let's hope it gets much better when beta becomes release
[23:24] <nixternal> Riddell: what track are you currently in?
[23:26] <Riddell> nixternal: desktop
[23:26] <nixternal> what are they covering in there?
[23:27] <jjesse-dell9> dont know
[23:28] <Riddell> online services
[23:28] <Riddell> but mostly just telling the online services people when they can get their stuff in, nothing very technical or user experiency
[23:29] <jjesse-dell9> or interesting
[23:32] <nixternal> Riddell: kde 4 beta2 tarballs are up
[23:35] <jjesse-dell9> nixternal: so why dont you have them packaged?
[23:39] <Riddell> blueyed: new http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qzion and http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qedje up if you can
[23:42] <Riddell> seele: fancy a couple of questions on text alongside icons?
[23:47] <seele> Riddell: sure.. sorry.. wasnt paying attention
[23:47] <seele> where did you run off to?
[23:50] <jjesse-dell9> nixternal: do you remember htat doc we looked at through ebn yesterday?
[23:50] <jjesse-dell9> kabc or something like that?