[00:14] Riddell: what is your opinion on the ctrl+alt+backspace issue? [00:14] Riddell: because it effects kubuntu [00:22] seele: I think we should change the K menu to say Start so Windows users won't be confused. [00:28] ScottK-laptop: there are many threads on that topic [00:29] I thin it's fine the way it is. [00:32] hmm.. so we're disabling ctrl+alt+backspace for jaunty [00:32] and we are hoping that we get a x.org config GUI to be able to adjust the option [00:32] otherwise you have to edit the xorg config [00:32] Well 'we' aren't disabling it, upstream is changing the default. [00:33] Bad idea, IMO, but I guess we're stuck with it [00:33] :/ [00:35] ScottK-laptop: we're stuck with it [00:35] ScottK-laptop: it is an option which can be reenabled [00:35] but possibly we wont have a GUI to do that so we would have to edit by hand [00:36] which.. i guess for the people who want the ctrl alt backspace could do that [00:36] (but then again.. i use it all the time and i hate editing conf files by hand..) [00:36] What's the alternative when X hangs? [00:36] ScottK-laptop: reboot [00:37] How? ssh? [00:43] ScottK-laptop: powerbutton? [00:43] ScottK-laptop: i dont know. i just know that we will have a checkbox where you can reenable the option [00:44] seele: That's a hard shutdown, not a reboot [00:45] well whatever. we're stuck with the default. i'm here to make sure we get our checkbox [00:47] OK. That's something I guess [00:47] Thanks [01:50] anyone able to get to wiki.kubuntu.org [01:50] im getting a internal 500 error [01:51] mm, broken [01:52] hopefully i didnt do it [02:42] hmm.. are there any dinner plans? [02:43] I'm going out shopping [02:44] grocery shopping? [02:49] seele: nail clippers, cobblers, fly's electrics [02:50] what's wrong wit your shoes? [02:50] and wtf is fly's electrics? [02:51] i have a nail file, but that might not be enough? [02:51] my shoes are falling apart [02:51] fly's is a computer shop [02:51] uh huh [02:52] well you can convince me to go shopping another time and use your nail file if you want dinner instead [02:53] Riddell: i wouldnt want you to go the way of the cobbler's children though [02:53] although.. where are you going to get shoes? [02:53] hmm.. i did see a khols [02:53] I have shoes, I just need them to be fixed [02:53] you can fix shoes? [02:54] although having them fixed would mean that I was shoeless for a fit [02:54] you are a bit crazy.. if they are broken, why not buy a new pair? [02:54] it's so sweet when people conform to their national stereotypes :) [02:54] * ScottK-laptop wonders what's wrong with duct tape. [02:55] but theyre broken! it's not like youre not using a perfectly good pair of shoes [02:55] Well you have to break new ones in. [02:55] ScottK-laptop: duct tape doesnt work too well on soles [02:55] i guess you could patch toe holes that way [02:55] i dunno if it would be very water resistant [02:56] it's not holes, it's the sole coming away from the top half, duct tape wouldn't hold it though and well I wouldn't want to look unfashionable [02:56] no.. duct tape is cool with the kids still [02:56] Anyone on KDE 4.1.3 ? [02:57] not I [02:57] Riddell: super glue? [02:57] DaSkreech: whats up [02:57] seele: maybe, I don't have any handy [02:57] I can't open URLs with kate on 4.2 beta [02:57] Riddell: super market? [02:57] Riddell: i don't know where youre going to find someone to fix your shoes.. did you look up a shop? [02:57] there's one not far from here [02:57] it tells me that ~/Documents/http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/notifications/notifications-multiverse.txt is not able to be read [02:58] whoa.. i have a balcony on my room [02:58] oh aye balcony, I should take in that washing [02:58] The hell? [02:58] DaSkreech: ~/Documents/http://...? [02:58] the url worked fine for me [02:59] Riddell: so food or maintenance? [02:59] seele: I used to be able to say File -> open -> paste URL -> KIO kicks in [02:59] Now it's not doing it [02:59] seele: we could walk towards the cobblers and see if there's a restaurant on the way [02:59] Pie cobblers? Or Show Cobblers? [02:59] DaSkreech: yeah.. and it worked for me [02:59] 4.1.3 ? [03:00] * seele still isn't convinced there is a cobbler [03:00] DaSkreech: yep [03:00] Hmm now to figure out if I'm stupid, It's a Kubuntu packaging error or this really is a bug [03:00] DaSkreech: not cobbler like the tastey dessert, a shoe fixer upper [03:01] Riddell: ok fine.. i'll bring a nail file [03:01] With Elves? [03:01] seele: see you downstairs :) [03:01] * DaSkreech ponders Riddell's penchant for getting thigns shared with him [03:01] eh? [03:02] Your nail file? [03:02] eh to who? [03:02] DaSkreech: don't you know that's the only way to get things done? [03:02] heehee [03:09] Anyone one on 4.2 beta 1 ? [05:16] DaSkreech: for your information.. no nail file has been shared :P [05:16] seele: Whoot! Riddell's power has been defeated [05:16] or de feeted [05:17] (Nail file reference) === robotgee1 is now known as robotgeek === glade88|ZzZ is now known as glad88 === glad88 is now known as glade88 [05:59] morning [06:00] good news! batl10n is working with the new framework.... sort of at least [06:03] * apachelogger saddles his pony for the ride to work [06:04] Hi Ho! [06:10] seele they have rock band going on on the 2nd level behind the elevators if you are interested [06:16] You discovered hidden Elevator Music! Acheivement unlocked [06:17] lol [06:17] nope in the hotel here aqt #uds [06:39] up early Arby? [06:39] Riddell: I'm always up early, just not always on IRC :) [08:17] DaSkreech: is, kinda [08:18] ScottK-laptop: I think "Start" would be better than that silly K [08:19] Riddell: it is Fry's Electronics...but thank you so much for that laugh :) [08:20] going through today's show notes up stairs...need to get with tonio and get kde4 beta 1 fixed in our experimental ppa...so if you get a chance you may want to add tonio to that team...tomorrow looks like I will have some free hacking time to work on some stuff [08:28] nixternal: But of course we'd be oblidged to spell it KStart to not confuse KDE users === cmvo_ is now known as cmvo [08:59] woow, with new mesa i get 1100 fps @ glxgears instead of 220 [08:59] and composite effects look smoother [09:07] Tm_T: Is kinda? [09:32] @now LA [09:32] Error: Unknown timezone: LA - Full list: http://tinyurl.com/4vyvp8 [09:32] @now Los angeles [09:32] Current time in America/Los_Angeles: December 10 2008, 01:32:54 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 5 days [09:38] * hunger wonders why he has pulseaudio start up all the time. [09:38] Is that used by ubuntu or kde nowadays? === glade88 is now known as glade88|AFK === glade88|AFK is now known as glade88 [10:42] ~seen johntheechidna [10:42] nope! [10:43] ~seen jontheechidna [10:43] JontheEchidna was last seen 15 hours, 4 minutes and 2 seconds ago, quitting IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) [10:44] better ;-) [11:14] jtechidna: ping [11:16] hi there === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [12:25] apachelogger: jtechidna: ScottK: ScottK-laptop: ~30 minutes left until A2 - can one of you copy it over? [12:36] I suggest having the possibility to revert to the last 1 or 2 versions of any packet, when residing in unstable branch. Because most of the "updates" worsen or break the software. This happens just too often and no reversion is made possible. [12:36] People who use only "stable" repos have to live with old or even antique software. [12:37] This is nowhere an acceptable solution for someone, who has to work with his computer [12:37] I mean, work in the sense of being sort of compatible with other distros/OSes documents/softwares [12:38] your definition of antique is a little odd [12:38] antique: 2 or 3 years [12:38] (k)ubuntu is released every 6 months. that's hardly neolithic [12:39] well, the IT is another topic than like paintings, developping quite faster. [12:40] so antique is appropriate [12:40] directhex: yes, but the software updates come more often [12:40] like once or twice a week [12:41] someone here who has access to the batcave? [12:41] NEED YOU! ;-) [12:41] during development, yes. people are constantly changing things and developing things and working on things. certainly there's nothing even close to "stability" in the first 4 months of a release's development cycle [12:42] but there are a few points. firstly, if you know which package broke, then either install the older deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/ or download the package from launchpad, which maintains a complete history [12:42] secondly, if you can't help identify problems, then are you sure you should be running a development release during its early days? [12:45] Guys, just as a game of thoughts: How about making the last update reversible? This would save AN EXTREMELY lot of hassle. Since the policy: only the latest version is available. [12:47] it would require significant changes to the way the archive works. what would it achieve? [12:47] directhex: I NEED openoffice 3.0 because we WORK with it at WORK, you know? [12:48] stable is only openoffice 2.4, which lacks a lot of EXTREMLY important functions. [12:49] https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive [12:49] directhex: your note on the archive was what I needed, thanks! [12:49] OOo packages for intrepid. job jobbed. [12:49] great, thanks [13:03] Nightrose: I don't think I have any special access there. [13:03] hmmm Harald asked me to ping you or Jon to copy it over if he is not around [13:04] directhex: cd /home/fehrp/Documents/LOS [13:04] clear [13:04] cd /home/fehrp/Documents/LOS [13:04] clear [13:04] maybe you have access to the ppa - i don't know where he uploaded it [13:04] Dunno. I've got no time for the next several hours anyway. [13:04] I can probably investigate in about 4 hours. [13:04] ok [13:04] thx [13:05] directhex: there is only one OO package for intrepid: version: 1:3.0.0-6ubuntu0intrepid1 but I need the last one. the one that was actual until like some days [13:05] Currently getting kids off to school and then I have to take a dog to the vet. [13:06] alright - don't worry [13:06] we'll get it done somehow [13:10] Nightrose, which PPA? [13:10] directhex: there is only a diff: [13:10] directhex: there is only a diff: [13:10] * 1:3.0.0-4ubuntu0intrepid1 to 1:3.0.0-6ubuntu0intrepid1 (221.3 KiB) [13:10] * 1:3.0.0-4ubuntu0intrepid1 to 1:3.0.0-6ubuntu0intrepid1 (221.3 KiB) [13:10] NCommander: dunno - that is the tricky part ;-) [13:10] directhex: there is only a diff: [13:10] NCommander: if you could find out that would be perfect [13:10] 1:3.0.0-4ubuntu0intrepid1 to 1:3.0.0-6ubuntu0intrepid1 (221.3 KiB) [13:10] ls [13:11] cd /home/fehrp/Documents === fehrp is now known as PADI === PADI is now known as padi [13:12] re [13:12] directhex: there is no version but the latest on launchpad for openoffice 3.0 [13:12] there is however a diff to the .4 version to .6 [13:13] but that does not help [13:19] so how goes your time of day Nightrose? [13:19] busy busy [13:19] and drupal is a pita [13:19] right now at least [13:19] I'll give you that [13:19] * NCommander is working on the all anonying KDE on ARM issue :-/ [13:19] do you know if there is a page we can link to on kubuntu.org? [13:19] link to what? [13:20] announcement for kubuntu packages [13:20] usually apachelogger and jtechidna prepare one [13:20] * Nightrose pokes Riddell [13:31] \o === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [13:32] hey [13:32] JontheEchidna: how about A2? [13:32] Harald told me to poke you [13:32] i am nearly done now so hurry hurry hurry ;-) [13:33] nice, he already has the package stuffed away in a ppa [13:34] I'll just copy it over and prepare a story [13:34] perfect [13:34] thanks [13:34] ping me when done [13:37] hey JontheEchidna [13:38] Nightrose: any release announcement url I can link to yet? (If not I can edit the story and throw the link in the minute it goes up) [13:38] hi NCommander [13:38] how goes it? [13:39] JontheEchidna: http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.0 in a few minutes [13:39] ok [13:45] Nightrose: ready when you are [13:47] bonjour [13:47] It might take a minute or two for the story to hit the frontpage, so just say when [13:47] JontheEchidna: great - 5 more minutes - and if you want you could update the wiki page for the kubuntu download [13:47] that would really help [13:48] the repository guide? [13:48] or the adept howto? [13:48] JontheEchidna: amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu [13:48] Nightrose: I think I fixed the tag based releasing [13:48] ah, amarok wiki :P [13:48] apachelogger: ? [13:48] ah [13:48] Nightrose: release script [13:49] great [13:49] \o/ [13:49] Nightrose: and I began refactoring the translation stuff, sorting for the statistics works, I just need to find a sensible way to drop translations that don't match the requirements [13:49] * JontheEchidna wonders how to use his launchpad openid [13:49] apachelogger: cool [13:49] apachelogger++ [13:49] JontheEchidna++ [13:50] in related news: I merged gypsy with batscripts into kubuntu-dev-tools, manpages and stuff for first iteration are ready, so I can push that stuff once I ensured all the magic works [13:50] JontheEchidna: on your profile page you should find a URL [13:50] enter that in the login field and you should be good to go [13:51] oh, my profile url is my openid url [13:51] JontheEchidna: replace stable with 2.0 please [13:51] we're not keeping 1.4 around there [13:53] * apachelogger notes that highlighting in quassel appears to be b0rked when no client is connected -.- [13:54] JontheEchidna: ok ready to go in 2 minutes [13:54] k, up the kubuntu page goes [13:55] JontheEchidna: add a pagebreak somewhere [13:55] * JontheEchidna forgot, oops [13:55] and grammar error [13:55] JontheEchidna: wiki updated? [13:56] just a second [13:56] hm [13:56] JontheEchidna: does one actually need backports? [13:56] yes, it deps on 4.1.3 [13:56] Oo [13:56] apparently there was a build issue with 4.1.2 [13:57] how come? [13:57] dunno [13:57] p3a isn't using backports as package source [13:57] hmm, then I guess it was resolved [13:57] or I built against 4.1.80 :P [13:57] that would be shitty [13:58] an admin linky here? http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu oO [13:58] Nightrose: wiki updated [13:58] glade88: reload [13:58] <.< [13:58] JontheEchidna: yay [13:58] thx [13:58] ++ [13:58] :D [13:58] *downloading deb* [13:59] https://www.kubuntu.org/node/59 doesnt open for me.. :/ [13:59] JontheEchidna: Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.2), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.2), [13:59] oh, I guess that part can be removed then :P [14:00] glade88: it takes a bit for it to actually hit the front page, some technical shit about caches and the space-time continuuim [14:00] JontheEchidna: no [14:00] kubuntu.org doesn't use https :P [14:00] oh [14:00] hehe [14:00] +1 .. works now [14:00] JontheEchidna: hold on [14:01] JontheEchidna: please use that url http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.0 [14:02] ok [14:02] JontheEchidna: you mustn't forget to set the URL path setting ;-) [14:02] node/X looks way too awkward [14:05] hm [14:05] does the news go frontpage for anyone? [14:05] * apachelogger thinks it doesn't like that it was a menu before [14:05] ah, nvm [14:06] so node/59 would be a permalink, right? if so, this baby goes into kubuntuforums news :) [14:07] wiki and story updated [14:07] glade88: news/amarok-2.0 [14:07] thanks [14:07] aside from that old kubuntu graphic on the wiki everything's good to go [14:07] Nightrose: maybe I say something rude? [14:08] *may [14:08] shoot [14:08] morning apachelogger [14:08] Nightrose: that theme is an abomination of what pasi and I created [14:08] hola NCommander [14:09] how goes it apachelogger? [14:09] apachelogger: heh - talk to krf and Ian [14:09] * NCommander finally has stopped spinning his wheels w/ kde4bindings [14:09] Nightrose: I'd rather not, I might have to throw up [14:09] anywho [14:09] Amarok got a fine release manager ;-) [14:09] Nightrose++ [14:10] :) [14:10] * Nightrose bounces [14:10] NCommander: drowning in ruby [14:10] impressive [14:10] well, I think kubuntu-dev-tools is close to release [14:10] though I also thought that like a week ago ;-) [14:12] this may be minor, but can the link "Adept howto" on the news page not point to the Kubuntu wiki but the ubuntu wiki.. orange looks ugly :/ [14:13] glade88: it is consistent with the other link [14:13] besides, IMHO orange > current kubuntu wiki theme [14:13] lol [14:14] * JontheEchidna updated the artwork for the kubuntu amarok-wiki page [14:14] \o/ [14:14] http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu [14:14] JontheEchidna++ [14:14] Nightrose: where and when is release parte? [14:14] see ako ;-) [14:14] JontheEchidna: sweeet! [14:15] Nightrose: I am already feeling sick enough :P [14:15] hehe [14:16] hm, one parte, and no sensible date :( [14:16] Nightrose: how about we throw a IRC party? [14:17] by we I of course mean you and JontheEchidna :P [14:17] :P [14:17] sounds perfect [14:17] count me in [14:17] hooray [14:17] apachelogger: you should break out that intrepid wallpaper you made [14:17] Nightrose: btw, any news on fkefer's rely project? [14:17] JontheEchidna: true [14:18] maybe write AMAROK TOO all over it [14:18] if I find it... [14:18] apachelogger: rely project? [14:18] streaming [14:19] ah [14:19] no idea [14:19] sent him to work it out with paleo [14:19] he seemed ok with it [14:20] er.. I fixed the Kubuntu logos on the polski and chinese (japanese?) pages.. but couldnt edit the content. [14:20] glade88: you don't speak japanese? [14:21] definitely not :p :D [14:21] now that is not good [14:21] Nightrose: I am quite sure that would kill kollide ;-) [14:21] apachelogger: well that's why i send him to paleo ;-) [14:22] good point [14:24] * JontheEchidna amarocks [14:26] oh dear [14:26] JontheEchidna: I made super mario look french [14:26] D: [14:28] JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/Zeichnung.png [14:29] haha [14:29] lol @ kbluetooth [14:30] Nightrose: do you think I have to mark the party name as (c) markey? [14:30] after all he came up with that [14:30] nah - sven came up with it iirc [14:31] [18:35:59] 2.0 itself is the big name [14:31] [18:36:08] anything would just distract from it [14:31] ah [14:31] :P [14:31] indeed [14:31] maybe markey copied from sven [14:31] then markey didn't care about the copyright [14:31] lol [14:33] I actually had voyager in the upper right heaven, but somehow every approach of drawing it ended up looking pretty obscene [14:33] s/heaven/sky [14:37] amarok-kde4 is just a 12MB install oO [14:38] "just" [14:38] Nightrose: did you ever clean out the icons directory? [14:38] nope - Gerry is working on it [14:39] ok [14:52] http://digg.com/software/Amarok_2_0_0_Released [14:52] digg it! [15:22] soo.. what am I missing here? http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4314/snapshot2df5.jpg [15:23] playlists, plugins, connections.. nada [15:23] *collections [15:26] o.o [15:27] maybe try wiping your ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok and ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc? [15:30] woow, the latest mesa speeded kde effects up a lot but the menu b0rkage is still pretty awful :( [15:30] JontheEchidna: back to business :D [15:30] when it draws, the background is black for a fraction of a second [15:30] or rippled [15:31] especially bad in firefox [15:31] pretty awful in amarok too though [15:56] apachelogger: hi [15:56] i'm trying the capseo kwin decode thingy [15:57] and it wont work in jaunty [15:57] mplayer cant detect the codec or smth [16:23] cbr: possible, that stuff is rotting away [16:24] why can't it be encoded in something reasonable? [16:25] because captury is made as reference implementation for capseo [16:25] and kwin uses captury because it is the only sensible thing that comes with a lib [16:32] music isn't what it used to be [16:32] Nightrose: any suggestions? [16:32] moby! [16:34] I assimilated all of moby [16:34] nothing new there [16:37] Nightrose: I also need a new minion, my old one aint coming back [16:38] your minion "verschleiß" is too high honey! [16:38] you need to take better care of them [16:39] Nightrose: they just don't messure up to me, I would need ~5 of them :S [16:39] ;-) [16:40] aha! [16:40] -- Installing: /build/buildd/kde-nightly-kdebase-20081209.7+svn895076/debian/tmp/etc/kde4/wallpaper.knsrc [16:40] that also explains the menu issue [16:43] hm [16:43] merging my server branch of neon with the one on launchpad is going to be fun :S [16:47] mo4nint [16:47] morning :) [16:47] aloha jjesse-dell9 [16:47] aloha apachelogger [16:48] Nightrose: I think I just fixed GHNS and the menu issue in kde-nightly [16:48] wohooooooooo [16:49] well, once cdbs is built and I invoke usual uploads at least [16:49]