[00:39] <tretle> hmmmmm...... how do you change the colour themes of the themes which have them greyed out?
[04:34] <tretle> anyone know where I can get a borderless glossy gtk border?
[04:35] <tretle> if that makes sense to anyone
[12:15] <robsta> hi
[13:01] <robsta> hi thorwil
[13:01] <thorwil> hi robsta
[13:03] <robsta> thorwil: maybe some day there will be an inkscape-based svg rendering library ...
[13:04] <thorwil> odd there isn't already
[13:05] <robsta> they got cairo support not too long ago
[13:29] <thorwil> if you though you knew all there was to drawing perspectives, check http://www.termespheres.com/perspective.html :)
[13:48] <robsta> thorwil: should not be too hard turning their "inkview" program into a library though :)
[16:07] <dilomo> hi
[16:09] <dilomo> what do you think of the new top notebook (lower left):
[16:09] <dilomo> http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1228925308.png
[16:20] <dilomo> I can't make the top part look 3D enough without using shadows on the sides of the active tab which I don't want to use because my light direction comes from the top
[16:21] <dilomo> Any ideas how can I do it
[16:23] <thorwil> dilomo: hi! do you know what ambient occlusion is?
[16:23] <dilomo> yes, at least I think I know
[16:24] <dilomo> thi is when light bounces between objects
[16:24] <thorwil> dilomo: in short, if you assume a slightly more complex lighting situation, subtle shadows on the sides are ok
[16:25] <dilomo> hmm ok I will try it out
[16:26] <thorwil> this picture shows quite nicely what ambient occlusion does: http://www.antropus.com/private/custom_portfolio/characters/oldlady/ambient001.jpg
[16:26] <thorwil> note the shadows in the corners. that's what you want to have a little bit of
[16:27] <dilomo> yeah I got the idea. Nice grandmom btw ;)
[16:36] <dilomo> thorwil: do you think that the AO should affect the whole tab (should the tab drop shadow on the area above the inactive tabs and should this shadow be darker)?
[16:37] <thorwil> dilomo: try it. there's realism and then there's whatever looks good :)
[16:40] <dilomo> ok :) here's the shadow casted on the inactive tbas only:
[16:40] <dilomo> http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1228927204.png
[16:40] <dilomo> the other is comin in several minutes
[16:43] <thorwil> dilomo: it's nicely subtle on the top tabs, but too stretched out on sideway tabs
[16:44] <dilomo> the sideways are still from the old version
[16:44] <dilomo> don't look at them yet
[16:47]  * thorwil was looking at the entirely wrong thing
[16:49] <dilomo> hers the version with more depth as suggested but it won't happen because when it is the last tab the shadow dropped is irregular:
[16:49] <dilomo> http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1228927695.png
[16:52] <thorwil> good morning nand! how's things?
[16:53] <nand> good evening! well, so far so good
[16:53] <nand> lots of interesting stuff
[16:53] <nand> did you see summit.ubuntu.com ?
[16:53] <thorwil> nand: only on monday
[17:03] <thorwil> after some very low volume audio streaming, i decided to wait for videos :)
[18:02]  * dilomo going to take a shower
[19:33] <knome> hello MadsRH
[19:34] <MadsRH> hi knome :-)
[20:29] <dilomo> thorwil: here's update:
[20:29] <dilomo> http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1228940881.png
[20:30] <dilomo> Do you think that the top line should be darker? I made it to make the inactive tabs more contrasting to the content and with ethced in effect
[20:31] <thorwil> dilomo: you mean the top line of inactive tabs? no, looks fine tome
[20:34] <dilomo> no the line underneath
[20:35] <dilomo> you can see its darker then the rest of the "walls"
[20:38] <thorwil> dilomo: hmm, if i concentarte on it, it seems to work against the 3d effect. it kinda drags the page down
[20:40] <dilomo> I think this too
[20:40] <dilomo> but helps to consolidate the inactive tabs with the content
[20:45] <dilomo> I will try different options
[20:46] <dilomo> btw i have to run bye
[20:47] <thorwil> cya
[21:34] <IkimashoZ> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/16375/
[21:34] <IkimashoZ> (see comments)
[21:42] <IkimashoZ> I'm also interested in helping more generally speaking.  I like making icons.