[00:39] hmmmmm...... how do you change the colour themes of the themes which have them greyed out? [04:34] anyone know where I can get a borderless glossy gtk border? [04:35] if that makes sense to anyone [12:15] hi [13:01] hi thorwil [13:01] hi robsta [13:03] thorwil: maybe some day there will be an inkscape-based svg rendering library ... [13:04] odd there isn't already [13:05] they got cairo support not too long ago [13:29] if you though you knew all there was to drawing perspectives, check http://www.termespheres.com/perspective.html :) [13:48] thorwil: should not be too hard turning their "inkview" program into a library though :) [16:07] hi [16:09] what do you think of the new top notebook (lower left): [16:09] http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1228925308.png [16:20] I can't make the top part look 3D enough without using shadows on the sides of the active tab which I don't want to use because my light direction comes from the top [16:21] Any ideas how can I do it [16:23] dilomo: hi! do you know what ambient occlusion is? [16:23] yes, at least I think I know [16:24] thi is when light bounces between objects [16:24] dilomo: in short, if you assume a slightly more complex lighting situation, subtle shadows on the sides are ok [16:25] hmm ok I will try it out [16:26] this picture shows quite nicely what ambient occlusion does: http://www.antropus.com/private/custom_portfolio/characters/oldlady/ambient001.jpg [16:26] note the shadows in the corners. that's what you want to have a little bit of [16:27] yeah I got the idea. Nice grandmom btw ;) [16:36] thorwil: do you think that the AO should affect the whole tab (should the tab drop shadow on the area above the inactive tabs and should this shadow be darker)? [16:37] dilomo: try it. there's realism and then there's whatever looks good :) [16:40] ok :) here's the shadow casted on the inactive tbas only: [16:40] http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1228927204.png [16:40] the other is comin in several minutes [16:43] dilomo: it's nicely subtle on the top tabs, but too stretched out on sideway tabs [16:44] the sideways are still from the old version [16:44] don't look at them yet [16:47] * thorwil was looking at the entirely wrong thing [16:49] hers the version with more depth as suggested but it won't happen because when it is the last tab the shadow dropped is irregular: [16:49] http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1228927695.png [16:52] good morning nand! how's things? [16:53] good evening! well, so far so good [16:53] lots of interesting stuff [16:53] did you see summit.ubuntu.com ? [16:53] nand: only on monday [17:03] after some very low volume audio streaming, i decided to wait for videos :) [18:02] * dilomo going to take a shower [19:33] hello MadsRH [19:34] hi knome :-) [20:29] thorwil: here's update: [20:29] http://www.piccdrop.com/images/1228940881.png [20:30] Do you think that the top line should be darker? I made it to make the inactive tabs more contrasting to the content and with ethced in effect [20:31] dilomo: you mean the top line of inactive tabs? no, looks fine tome [20:34] no the line underneath [20:35] you can see its darker then the rest of the "walls" [20:38] dilomo: hmm, if i concentarte on it, it seems to work against the 3d effect. it kinda drags the page down [20:40] I think this too [20:40] but helps to consolidate the inactive tabs with the content [20:45] I will try different options [20:46] btw i have to run bye [20:47] cya [21:34] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/16375/ [21:34] (see comments) [21:42] I'm also interested in helping more generally speaking. I like making icons.