[17:31] <evand> cjwatson: Is there any reason lilo is on the desktop CD, despite us not using it in ubiquity?
[20:33] <cjwatson> evand: we probably ought to use it in ubiquity in certain circumstances - I think it's a bug that we don't
[20:34] <cjwatson> evand: or at least we'll need to once we support LVM anyway
[20:37] <cjwatson> evand: I think the actual *reason* is that it's pulled in by a recommendation from the kernel - haven't bothered fixing since it seems basically harmless
[20:45] <evand> indeed, I think slangasek removed it to help free up space for grub2
[20:46] <evand> the decision there being that we offer it as an option so that users can help us test and evaluate it
[20:46] <evand> cjwatson: ^
[20:46] <evand> though actually, I believe it ended with us downloading it from the archive rather than having it on the cd
[20:47] <evand> so perhaps he didn't remove lilo
[20:48] <cjwatson> lilo really takes up that much space?
[20:48] <cjwatson> err, ok
[20:48] <evand> it doesn't, no
[20:48] <cjwatson> adding grub2 as an option is pretty easy
[20:48] <cjwatson> grub-installer in fact already supports that
[20:48] <evand> yup, just commented out
[20:48] <cjwatson> though I may have nobbled it since we weren't using it
[20:48] <cjwatson> right
[20:49] <cjwatson> just un-nobble it and revert to Debian for that bit
[20:49] <evand> indeed, I mentioned in the session that it would be an easy change for us
[20:54] <fleat> if one were interested in helping out with ubuntu installer work, where might one start?  helping out on bugs?  there seem to be quite a lot that haven't had updates in a while.
[20:55] <evand> fleat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment is generally a good starting point.
[20:58] <fleat> ok, i did read through that (including all the installer internals stuff), which is why i figured bug chasing would be good since it's at the top of the list at the bottom.  the specifications (like feisty-ubiquity) seem to have gotten a little stale though?  the link for the README file in that bullet point list also gives a server error, so i figured i'd ask here in case there might be more up-to-date pathways to
[21:46] <CIA-61> user-setup: evand * r133 user-setup.ubuntu/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[21:46] <CIA-61> user-setup: Changes for LP: #302870
[21:46] <CIA-61> user-setup: * user-setup-apply: Add support for adduser --encrypt-home; remove
[21:46] <CIA-61> user-setup:  deprecated encrypted-private (replaced in the installer by
[21:46] <CIA-61> user-setup:  encrypted home support)
[21:46] <CIA-61> user-setup: * debian/user-setup-udeb.templates: Add encrypt-home debconf question;
[21:46] <CIA-61> user-setup:  remove deprecated encrypted-private
[22:01] <CIA-61> user-setup: evand * r134 user-setup.ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.23ubuntu2
[22:07] <evand> fleat: Bug fixing is quite helpful.
[22:45] <cjwatson> fleat: major feature work (specifications) is probably not the best place to start
[22:53] <cjwatson> fleat: I've fixed the ubiquity/doc/README link in the wiki page
[22:54] <cjwatson> (thanks for the note)
[23:03] <fleat> okay, sounds good, i'll see what i can do