[00:00] <ikonia> your apology is appriciated, although I wasn't looking for an apology (appriciated it is though)
[00:00] <ikonia> I just find you trying to justify your behaviour a weak argument
[00:01] <ikonia> and thats what I'm not comfortable with
[00:01] <ikonia> I'm not trying to humiliate you in any way shape or form.
[00:01] <ikonia> which is another thing that concerns me that you think you've been banned for humilation or to beg forgivness, you where banned because of your comments in the channel - nothing more
[00:01] <ikonia> just want to make that clear
[00:02] <Ximal> i did not curse in the channel i merely spoke my open opinion of your trying to moderate my question which was legitmate
[00:02] <ikonia> your question wasn't legitimate
[00:02] <ikonia> you where asking for isbn numbers of books
[00:03] <Ximal> no i asked how to find out what book an isbn number belonged too..
[00:03] <ikonia> yes, and that is not legitimate in #ubuntu
[00:03] <ikonia> and your response to be being asked to keep on topic was unacceptable
[00:03] <Ximal> it is if that book number corresponds with an ubuntu book i was trying to look up
[00:03] <ikonia> no it isn't
[00:04] <Ximal> yes it is as ubuntu is a support channel for all things relating to the canonical product of ubuntu
[00:04] <Ximal> and it says in the tos that ubuntu will support its products.. not limited to but including it's reading material
[00:04] <Ximal> how can you support a product but not even read it's tos or user agreements ?
[00:04] <ikonia> well, a.) I disagree with that b.) I don't believe you where looking for an ubuntu book - but thats a personal opinion c.) you could have said that when you where asked to keep on topic
[00:05] <ikonia> Ximal: is it a book published by canonical ?
[00:05] <Ximal> see you said personal opinion yourself friend... and i did ... 
[00:05] <Ximal> i was looking for the ubuntu bible isbn number so my library could order it..
[00:05] <ikonia> I didn't say my personal opinion - I'm making my personal opinion known to you
[00:05] <LjL> [01:03:43] <Ximal> it is if that book number corresponds with an ubuntu book i was trying to look up
[00:05] <LjL> wrong answer
[00:06] <ikonia> ubuntu bible is not a canonical book, so it's nothing to do with ubuntu or canonical, it's a third party book, and researching 3rd party isbn numbers is not #ubuntu's job
[00:06] <LjL> "it is if i'm looking for an Ubuntu package to perform that task" <- right answer
[00:06] <ikonia> well thats the bottom line of it
[00:06] <Ximal> correct ljl ... 
[00:07] <Pici> Its akin to asking questions like 'Whats a good computer to run Ubuntu on', these are not things that we discuss in the main channel, you can join #ubuntu-offtopic for such things.
[00:07] <Ximal> my issue was i'm trying to get my library to expand their horizons ... anything about ubuntu or linux period ... and since this seems to be my favorite distro...
[00:07] <Ximal> i was merely trying to seek help from whom i thought might have better ideas or experience in such things
[00:07] <ikonia> Ximal: that doesn't make it on topic to ask in #ubuntu
[00:07] <LjL> ... then it's a fine topic for #ubuntu-offtopic.
[00:07] <ikonia> as bazhang directed you to that channel
[00:07] <Ximal> ok if i had asked that in off topic like i did before i would have been ignored..
[00:08] <ikonia> that doesn't mean ask in #ubuntu
[00:08] <LjL> and? 1) that's a hypothetical 2) so?
[00:08] <LjL> i mean, seriously
[00:08] <Ximal> ok guys... my issue with this is ... simply put ... i want to learn more than just how to use ubuntu so i'm researching what i can and trying at the same time to get the local library to do so too.. 
[00:09] <LjL> people who have support questions ask them in #ubuntu-offtopic instead of #ubuntu, because they feel they're ignored in the latter
[00:09] <ikonia> thats not your issue
[00:09] <ikonia> your issue is your attitude in #ubuntu
[00:09] <mneptok> we have Terms Of Service?
[00:09] <LjL> people who have NOT support questions ask them in #Ubuntu instead of #ubuntu-offtopic, because they feel they're ignored in the latter
[00:09] <ikonia> you can research what ever you want
[00:09] <LjL> mneptok: do you?
[00:09] <mneptok> not for the OS. for a support contract, sure.
[00:10] <mneptok> unless i missed something.
[00:10] <LjL> mneptok, then why are you idling here when Ximal has signed a support contract with you saying that you should be helping him!
[00:10] <Ximal> well is it tooo much to ask to get a bot that would que questions so ops and trusted members of the community can help out and wade through the junk questions or refer them to an echo bot ... in the off topic channel etc... i mean i realize that's what a forum is for... but for those of us who chose as you say .. " the latter " would it not be useful ?
[00:10] <mneptok> LjL: i'm taking some of the free peanuts.
[00:10] <ikonia> I'm afraid I must leave for 10 - 15 minutes. Apologies for disruption
[00:10] <LjL> i mean, i think he has signed it, because otherwise it'd be foolish of him to EXPECT support, right?
[00:11] <LjL> Ximal: no, it's not too much too ask
[00:11] <LjL> Ximal: look, i'll code that bot in... 10 seconds
[00:11]  * mneptok is never surprised by what people expect
[00:11] <LjL> Ximal: join #ubuntu-meta please
[00:11] <LjL> done, coded
[00:11] <Ximal> anyhow ... i am sorry for the sore and rude attitude ... 
[00:12] <Ximal> when and if u decide to let me back in... i will be thankful... and i will try to change my attitude according to how it is expected when in the main support channel... thank u for ur time guys..
[00:12] <LjL> and he still hasn't joined #ubuntu-meta
[00:12] <LjL> right after complaining that a bot *exactly* like the one i have in there "doesn't exist"
[00:13] <mneptok> LjL: perhaps that cinnamon roll scared him :P
[00:13] <LjL> i retract that, he joined
[00:21] <ikonia> LjL: no one likes your bot
[00:22] <ikonia> just unbanned him, 
[00:26] <LjL> ikonia: that's true, yet a lot of people ask about something exactly like it
[00:26] <LjL> ikonia: then look at it for a day or two, find it wonderful, and forget it entirely
[00:26] <ikonia> I was only teasing
[00:27] <LjL> ikonia: ok but that's actually the truth
[00:28] <ikonia> I come and go with metabot as you know
[00:28] <ikonia> right - back out again
[00:28] <LjL> ikonia: imo it shows, if nothing else, that people don't really know what they want from things, in this case the thing being #Ubuntu
[00:28] <LjL> ikonia: but you never *asked* for something like metabot to begin with
[00:32] <Pici> FYI: ctrl-alt-backspace is going to be tested as being disabled by default in Jaunty
[00:32] <LjL> Pici: WTF
[00:33] <LjL> Pici: no seriously, WTF
[00:33] <PriceChild> That combo never works for me anymore when I want it to :(
[00:33] <Pici> LjL: I mentioned that users rely on it as a mechanism to restart X
[00:34] <PriceChild> Pici: what was the reply?
[00:34] <LjL> PriceChild: uh, i've never had an instance of it failing - except when everything else would fail..
[00:34] <PriceChild> LjL: hehe that's the instance i'm moaning about 8-)
[00:34] <LjL> PriceChild: in those cases there's really only REISUB left usually
[00:34] <LjL> Pici: but to begin with, is there any vaguely sane or valid reason to propose removing it?
[00:34] <PriceChild> LjL: my keyboard has sysrq on a fn key and it doesn't seem to like it anyway :(
[00:35] <Pici> LjL: xorg removed it upstream
[00:35] <LjL> PriceChild: you need to keep AltGr pressed too
[00:35] <LjL> Pici: ah well, then the blame rests elsewhere... that's not much comfort though
[00:35] <PriceChild> LjL: so what keys in total?
[00:36] <LjL> PriceChild: well, i don't know your actual keyboard layout, but probably keep pressed AltGr+Fn+SysRq and hit R E I S U B
[00:36] <Pici> PriceChild: There are other patches discussed to enable it, but not make it easy for a user to accidentally press it
[00:36] <LjL> PriceChild: and no, i can't lend you a hand.
[00:36] <PriceChild> LjL: meh, i was just using alt, ah well. Anyway, night!
[00:36] <PriceChild> jdong: ^
[00:37] <LjL> Pici: i still find it nonsense, who'd *accidentally* press ctrl+alt+backspace... pulease
[00:38] <LjL> PriceChild: what's with jdong anyway?
[00:39] <Pici> What isnt wrong with jdong
[00:39] <LjL> Pici: i didn't say "wrong", you stretched it
[00:39] <Pici> LjL: I somehow saw it in that sentence.
[00:40] <LjL> Pici: you've had too much jdong then
[00:51] <jdong> :D
[00:51]  * jdong hugs PriceChild 
[00:51] <jdong> EMBRACE the INNUENDO... LOVE the INNUENDO.... TAKE IT INSIDE OF YOU....
[00:51] <LjL> don't tell me that...
[00:51] <LjL> nevermind, not investigating further
[01:29] <phix> hey LjL, I am still banned
[01:31] <Mez> @bansearch phix
[01:31] <LjL> yes you are
[01:31] <LjL> are you're staying that way
[01:31] <Mez> @btlogin
[01:33] <musikgoat|main> don't know if it shoudl be delt with or not, but nick|here just randomly spurted out   dd -i /dev/zero -o /dev/sda
[01:33] <musikgoat|main> oh nevermind
[01:33] <musikgoat|main> i'm an idiot
[01:33]  * musikgoat|main laughs, and parts
[01:34] <Mez> random
[01:34] <LjL> he's not an idiot, he spotted it correctly
[01:34]  * Mez didnt say he was
[01:35] <LjL> he said it
[01:35] <Mez> I know ;)
[01:41] <LjL> uhm, i'm unmuting nick|here because i'm not entirely sure 1) whether he gave the command he gave by mistake, forgetting a limiting dd option  2) whether that command might actually have been appropriate for the question that was asked (it doesn't look so to me, but it was a bit complicated an issue)
[01:45] <LjL> phix: any more questions?
[01:48] <Mez> !idle | phix 
[01:48] <phix> ok
[01:48] <phix> LjL: yes, can you unban me now?
[01:49] <LjL> phix: no
[01:49] <LjL> i mean, yes i can, but i won't
[01:49] <phix> LjL: Why won't you?
[01:50] <LjL> phix, you proposed to come back after an hour. i really do not think that's an appropriate duration for your ban.
[01:50] <LjL> phix: i mentioned that, too, but perhaps too implicitly
[01:50] <phix> LjL: ok, it has been alot longer than an hour sir
[01:50] <LjL> phix: so i'll say that more explicitely: come back in a few *days*
[01:50] <phix> I have more questions
[01:50] <LjL> phix: perhaps you might learn that bad things you do actually do bite back against you
[01:51] <phix> more relating to you on a personal level, or isn't that appropiate here?
[01:51] <LjL> it's not really appropriate here
[01:51] <phix> shame
[01:51] <LjL> and for that matter, i don't think i'm particularly interested about talking about personal issues
[01:51] <phix> well I will be on my way then
[01:51] <LjL> bye
[01:53] <Mez> @mark phix
[01:53] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops phix Weird fellow, anyway, the intent of what he did was malicious enough (9 "hi" messages, including those after the floodbots muted, only stopped when I kicked him)
[01:53]  * Mez chuckles
[01:53] <LjL> should have known
[01:53] <Mez> it's not obvious we just discussed that at all is it ? :P
[01:54]  * Mez chuckles
[01:54] <LjL> Mez: perhaps let's add as a postilla that, unless they forget, the banning op does the @mark so we don't end up in a marking conflic ;P
[01:55]  * Mez whistles innocently
[02:01] <LjL> watch for people complaining that "manzur" is sending them weird PMsve he's just a clueless fellow with a bad habit of querying people, but i might be wrong and he might be a larger scale troll.
[02:02] <Mez> LjL: I believe that earlier he was in #freenode asking about getting a cloak for his "brothers" account
[02:02] <Mez> oh, no, that was tugan
[02:02] <LjL> he's also been asking, in #ubuntu-es, how to change his nickserv password
[02:02]  * Mez headwalls
[02:03] <LjL> it took about half an hour to get him to do it
[02:03] <LjL> when i gave him the plain command, he asked someone else (who was giving terrible advice himself, such as "here /help -l gives info about all commands") to confirm that my version was correct
[02:03] <LjL> so i told him to /msg nickserv set password help to confirm that for himself
[02:04] <LjL> so he asked me what the english help he got meant
[02:04] <bazhang> he's a known quantity LjL , has a history of this sort of thing
[02:05] <LjL> bazhang: there must be a reason i had him on a weird-colored highlight to begin with
[02:05] <bazhang> ie manzur / trolling
[02:05]  * LjL should patch his client to give reasons for highlights
[02:05] <bazhang> haha
[02:05] <bazhang> is there really a #ubuntu-meta ?
[02:06] <LjL> bazhang: yup, try it, the bot is fun, if not especially useful
[02:06] <bazhang> LjL, joined thanks :)
[02:06] <LjL> ah wait, manzur is the guy who had jesus in the ident
[02:06] <LjL> i had a sudden flash
[02:06] <LjL> (well, no, i looked at the bt)
[02:07] <bazhang> heh same here, though his name (manzur ) was very familiar
[02:15] <LjL> ok look, i was about to just ban "froggles"
[02:15] <LjL> i haven't
[02:15] <LjL> watch
[02:15] <bazhang> that metabot rocks.
[02:16] <bazhang> ah spongebob, that name is really familiar (from a couple of days ago)
[02:16] <LjL> nah, it gets 95% of the questions wrong
[02:17] <LjL> yeah i stared a little at the realname...
[02:17] <LjL> but can't link it to anything honestly
[02:19] <LjL> @mark manzur Reports of innocuous but annoying and semi-random private queries from this fellow
[02:20] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu froggles Joined and asked "Is this the place where to spread the word of the Klan?", then went on with normal Ubuntu questions.
[02:20] <Flannel> What a strange fellow
[02:36] <Flannel> No ones awake?
[02:36] <bazhang> he just did that in #freenode as well, claiming 'wrong window'
[02:47] <nalioth> yep, i just had a 'wrong window' spasm, too
[02:47]  * nalioth needs to see a doctor for that
[02:47] <bazhang> haha
[03:00] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-offtopic, dmsuperman said: !kirbyrape is <reply> (>^.^(>O.O)>
[03:02] <jdong> what the hell?
[03:02] <jdong> if you give em that, I want my omgjacob alias.
[03:02] <Flannel> Who on earth would give them that?
[03:02] <bazhang> no one.
[03:03] <jdong> I don't see the rape though.
[03:03] <jdong> maybe I'm not looking hard enough?
[03:03] <jdong> or maybe I shouldn't look any harder..
[03:03]  * bazhang goes back to sweeping the dojo
[03:04]  * jdong doesn't speak all you young kid slang....
[03:04] <jdong> "sweeping the dojo" back in my day we used to call it... well.. nvm
[03:07]  * nalioth wonders how ubot3 keeps getting into -offtopic
[03:08] <Flannel> generally with a /join
[03:08]  * Flannel ducks.
[05:43] <macroba1> Hello, guys! Whom could I mail regarding a bug in ubottu factoids database web interface script? I don't have an launchpad account, and wouldn't like to create one. If it is ok, I can post it here as well.
[05:44] <macroba1> Well, or I can pm it to any op here...
[06:10] <stdin> macroba1: you can say here or in #ubuntu-bots
[06:24] <macroba1> Well, I've already pm'ed seveaz, who is listed as the author of the script. Basically, it is an SQL Injection, and that's why I wouldn't like to announce it so openly.
[06:57] <jussi01> Hello all
[06:57] <jussi01> Im still alive... kinda
[06:59] <stdin> ooh, he lives!
[07:00] <jussi01> stdin: Im sitting in heathrow...
[07:00] <jussi01> I have to wait till 6.30 tonight for my flight :/
[07:01] <stdin> at least you wern't supposed to go via Stansted
[07:01] <jussi01> lol
[07:02] <jussi01> Im not "that" stupid when planning my itenary..
[07:03] <stdin> so what are you going to do in an airport for 11.5 hours?
[07:07] <ikonia> jussi01: come meet me for lunch, I'm buying
[07:07] <ikonia> have a walk around london if you fancy it
[07:07] <ikonia> kill some time
[07:07] <jussi01> Ive no idea. Ive got free lan, so probably just do internet stuff.. maybe complain to people about my pain
[07:07] <ikonia> ahhh yes
[07:07] <ikonia> the leg
[07:07] <jussi01> ikonia: WOnt be doing any walking
[07:07] <ikonia> I'd forgot
[07:07] <ikonia> sorry
[07:07] <ikonia> thoughtless
[07:07] <jussi01> yeah
[07:07] <jussi01> you could come up here.... :P
[07:08] <ikonia> I can look into it, if I can get there from my close tubes I'll popup 
[07:08] <ikonia> your not "air side" yet are you
[07:10] <jussi01> was just thinking about that, I am - Ive not been through customs cause Im a transfer...
[07:10] <jussi01> so aint going to work :/
[07:11] <ikonia> I'd be locked out
[07:11] <ikonia> :(
[07:11] <ikonia> :(what a shame you have missed your free meal ticket ;)
[07:11] <jussi01> yeah
[07:12] <jussi01> after the last one, that is a shame
[07:12] <ikonia> and your London "red phone box" keep sake
[07:12] <jussi01> (that was the best meal Ive had in a long time)
[07:12] <ikonia> annoying that your in London yet a.) crippled b.) actually not able to interact wit the non-transfer guys
[07:12] <jussi01> damn!
[07:12] <ikonia> glad you enjoyed it
[07:13] <ikonia> how is the leg ?
[07:14] <jussi01> very sore
[07:14] <jussi01> morphine helps but not perfectly
[07:16] <ikonia> still bad then
[07:17] <jussi01> yeah
[07:17] <jussi01> got to get home and get it assed
[07:17] <jussi01> assess
[07:17] <jussi01> damn stupid keyboard
[07:17] <jussi01> asessed*
[07:47] <ikonia> does anyone else find it odd that natalisushka: in #ubuntu knows about config files like menu.lst but doesn't know that you can't have more than one running kernel
[07:47] <ikonia> and other basic things like that
[07:47] <ikonia> @btlogin
[08:15] <jussi01> la de da... Im so bored...
[08:16] <ikonia> I'm about tot get off the train
[08:17] <jussi01> where?
[08:18] <ikonia> London
[08:18] <ikonia> Paddington
[08:18] <ikonia> 1 more week of this dump
[08:18] <jussi01> come here, buy a flight, hang out with me, then cancel it :P
[08:18] <ikonia> ha ha
[08:18] <ikonia> I'll just get my magic credit card then
[08:19] <ikonia> ok, power down time, back in 20
[08:19] <jussi01> lol ok
[08:19] <Tm_T> hi kids
[08:20] <elkbuntu> hi pops
[08:44] <bazhang> she's taking a break.
[08:54] <bazhang> maybe better not to talk about that in -ot elkbuntu 
[08:57] <elkbuntu> bazhang, we could talk about it here instead, where it's logged, and the -ot people will read anyway
[08:58] <bazhang> elkbuntu, your call naturally
[08:58] <bazhang> just dont see how it concerns them directly 
[08:58] <bazhang> especially as we ask people with issues here not to discuss them in other channels.
[08:59] <bazhang> e.g. bans
[08:59] <elkbuntu> bazhang, i kicked him without a prior warning. i was going to have to explain it to the idiocy advocates anyway
[09:00] <elkbuntu> if you want the honest truth bazhang, the people you least want to see that stuff, get to see it all because they hawk the log for this channel, because they're sick sick puppies.
[09:00] <bazhang> heh
[09:38] <Saz> hi guys
[09:39] <Tm_T> well, hi, how can we help you?
[09:39] <jussi01> Hi Saz, how can we help you today?
[09:39] <jussi01> LAG!
[09:39] <Tm_T> jussi01: and I'm not even home, so I should be very laggy
[09:42] <Saz> well...i started working at computer store - in Africa. My boss wants to move from pirated XP/Vista to Ubuntu so that he doesnt get into trouble. The general clientele are more microsoft familiar. What i need help with is how to promote ubuntu over XP/Vista & aid them in understanding how ubuntu works without confusing them. Furthemore, how to get additional applcaitions which will spice up their experience with ubuntu
[09:42] <Tm_T> Saz: did you read channel topic?
[09:42] <Saz> no
[09:42] <Tm_T> please do (:)
[09:43] <Saz> can u refer me to another channel where i could be helped
[09:43] <jussi01> !channels
[09:43] <Tm_T> Saz: sure, #ubuntu is our base support channel
[09:43] <Tm_T> for more, see what ubottu said
[09:43] <Saz> ty
[09:43] <bazhang> that seems overly broad for #ubuntu though
[09:44] <Tm_T> bazhang: indeed
[09:44] <Tm_T> #ubuntu-marketing perhaps? dunno
[09:46] <elkbuntu> Saz, what part of africa?
[09:47] <Saz> South Africa
[09:51] <elkbuntu> Saz, since we're discussing this elsewhere, it's probably a good idea to leave this channel to do it's thing. we try to avoid crowding in here, since it makes it hard to deal with people who need Op help.
[10:02] <ikonia> bazhang: spongebob has been associated with the user "scrote" he's been a problem in a few channels
[10:04] <bazhang> ikonia, nice catch, remember 'scrote' well
[10:05] <ikonia> I am sharp  ;)
[10:05] <bazhang> hehe
[10:05] <ikonia> I've got a ban on scrote in #ubuntu - think it's on nickname
[10:05] <bazhang> btw, eagles was up to his usual in -ot, caps locking, trying to start flame war etc
[10:06] <ikonia> bazhang: I've spent days with him, so my stance with him now is if he starts anything in any channel he's removed straight away
[10:06] <bazhang> yep
[10:06] <ikonia> 5 days of explaining things to him, one on one, he admits he understands but just doesn't want to change, so thats enough for me
[10:06] <ikonia> consider that a "warning" 
[10:07] <ikonia> I mean I consider that enough of a warning for him about his beahviour
[10:12] <elkbuntu> ikonia, which is what i did
[10:12] <elkbuntu> he tried to play dumb & innocent too, of course
[10:13] <ikonia> good
[11:05] <Tm_T> myrtti <3<3<3
[11:05] <Myrtti> hi, just checking how things are going
[11:05]  * Tm_T is failing to make account in nokia.taleo.net
[11:05] <Myrtti> I just hate deadlines
[11:05] <Tm_T> I too
[11:07] <Myrtti> anything intresting going on?
[11:08] <Tm_T> well I'm trying to find a possible job
[11:09] <Tm_T> and dns did crap out just now here in university, how convenient
[11:19] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[11:19] <Myrtti> everything breaks down
[11:20] <Tm_T> heh
[11:20] <Tm_T> works now
[11:22] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: you'll be surprised when you get the letter :-D
[11:22] <Myrtti> the lady at the post office stuck so many stamps on the envelope I was afraid the address would be covered :-D
[11:23] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, you didnt stuff it full of glitter, did you? i did that to a friend once, and he opened it while driving home for xmas (rip end off with teeth, blow envelope apart, sparkles!)
[11:23] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, haha
[11:24] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: nono, I stuffed it full with cinnamon, cloves, cardamom, ginger and seville orange peel :-D
[11:24] <Myrtti> and raisins
[11:24] <Myrtti> :-D
[11:24] <elkbuntu> hehe
[11:24] <elkbuntu> i hope it gets through customs then :-/
[11:25] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: biochemical weapon!
[11:25] <Myrtti> EEEP!
[11:25] <Myrtti> It'll explode!
[11:25]  * Tm_T hides
[11:25] <Tm_T> Myrtti: yes, and sread all lovely odours around
[11:25] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: I did take a photo of the card before I sent it, so you'll be getting a card in one way or another anyway
[11:26] <elkbuntu> hehe
[11:26] <Myrtti> well, handmade cards, I did take a picture of all the designs I did
[11:28] <elkbuntu> :)
[11:28] <ikonia> how sweet
[11:28] <Tm_T> sour
[11:28] <Myrtti> Tm_T: you'll be getting one as well :-)
[11:29] <Tm_T> oh boy <3
[11:29] <Tm_T> and I don't even "do" christmas'n'stuff
[11:29] <Myrtti> I don't decorate at home at all
[11:29] <Myrtti> that's why I do the cards
[11:31] <Tm_T> http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html
[11:33] <ikonia> I'm decorating my tree tommorow
[11:33] <ikonia> I have one that lives in my garden and each year I bring it in
[11:33] <ikonia> I am "green" 
[11:36] <Myrtti> snow snow snow ♥
[11:41] <Tm_T> glad I can do my best to avoid all this "holiday fuss"
[11:42] <Tm_T> Myrtti: did you read that blog post?
[11:42] <ikonia> I am enjoying the holiday fuss this year
[11:42] <ikonia> feel in good spirits for christmas
[11:42] <Myrtti> Tm_T, yeah
[11:43] <Myrtti> I've got mixed feelings about that
[11:43] <Tm_T> ikonia: I can have good spirits without fuss
[11:43] <Tm_T> Myrtti: but interesting case, I would like to know how it ends, anyway
[11:43] <Myrtti> yeah, definitely
[11:43] <Tm_T> ikonia: "the christmas spirit is not what you drink"
[11:44] <ikonia> oh
[11:44] <Tm_T> - Ian Anderson
[11:44] <ikonia> in that case I'm not bothered
[11:44] <ikonia> just found a bug in the intrepid upgrades guide
[11:45] <Myrtti> Wonderful! Just when telco is about to start, the neighbour finds a drill ♥ 
[11:45] <ikonia> no I've not
[11:45] <ikonia> works
[11:45]  * Myrtti feels like crying
[11:47]  * Tm_T huggggles Myrtti 
[11:58] <Myrtti> ooh aah
[11:58] <Myrtti> put a plate full of spaghetti on my chair while I was searching for my handsfree
[11:58] <ikonia> did you sit on it
[11:58] <Myrtti> took the plate off and sat on the chair, mmmmm warm seat
[11:58] <Myrtti> no
[11:59] <ikonia> oh :(
[11:59] <Myrtti> also my subwoofer is nice and warm to keep my feet on it
[12:03] <jussi01> hrm, new android phone - form australia!!!! looks ok... http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/android-powered-kogan-agora-pro-mobile-phone/
[12:08] <Myrtti> nom
[12:13] <Myrtti> anyway, if there wasn't anything particular going on that I should be aware of, I'm gone
[12:13] <Myrtti> tata
[14:40] <genii> Good morning, afternoon, or evening 
[14:40] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello
[14:40]  * genii hands Jack_Sparrow a Tim Horton's coffee
[14:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Yum, thanks...
[14:41] <ikonia> howdy gn
[14:41] <ikonia> genii: even
[14:41] <genii> ikonia: Hi :)
[14:47]  * genii pokes jussi01 to see if he lives
[14:49] <Jack_Sparrow> genii I get my coffee from a guy across the border that roasts and seasons his coffee by hand.. Himself wife and daughter.  So good...
[14:49] <ikonia> genii: he's on a flight shortly
[14:49] <ikonia> genii: he's sat at London Heathrow airport
[14:50] <Jack_Sparrow> Do any of you play with MAME emulation?  I am building a box for it now..
[14:54] <genii> ikonia: Ah, thanks
[14:55]  * genii ponders coffee seasoning
[14:57] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: /dev/mapper/vg00-emmulation--vol 80G   18G   63G  23% /mnt/emu YES !
[15:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Really.. you run a mame setup?
[15:15] <ikonia> yup
[15:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Cool.
[15:15] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: working on intergrating it into myth at the moment
[15:15] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: my myth clients can launch mame
[15:15] <ikonia> hence the large central repo
[15:16] <Jack_Sparrow> May we talk in private, I would hate to put genii to sleep
[15:16] <ikonia> please, always welcome to pm
[15:17] <Jack_Sparrow> genii He roasts the coffee just right and for my favorite, puts a cup of Kalua over it and roasts until it soaks in.. yummy
[15:17] <genii> Hah, don't mind me :) 
[15:18] <genii> Jack_Sparrow: Nice
[16:30] <genii> Hehe. "this partimage doesn't have some gui must be installed wrong" "No, it *is* a command-line app" "Oh no"            ... to paraphrase
[16:30] <LjL> yeah, quite depressing
[17:41] <Pici> I suppose I'll be attending the Community Governance session as an IRC representitive.
[17:41] <ikonia> good !
[17:45] <jpds> Pici: Yo. (Even tho you're sitting a seat away from me.)
[17:45] <Pici> yo
[17:47] <genii> Weirdos
[17:47] <ikonia> ha ha
[17:48] <ikonia> Pici: jpds ar eyou guys getting some good photos
[17:49] <Pici> No
[17:49] <ikonia> you suck then, please fix that
[17:49] <Pici> ikonia: We're not allowed to take photos inside the Google buildings.
[17:49] <jpds> ikonia: Don't have a camera, and they're banned at Google.
[17:49] <ikonia> ooh for the love of.
[17:49] <jpds> ikonia: But we have plenty of video.
[17:49] <ikonia> how fun google are
[17:49] <Nafallo> hehe. all the datacenters say stuff like that as well
[17:49] <Pici> ikonia: The main sessions are all being videoed though.
[17:49] <ikonia> "we are wacky and off the wall, we think out side the box....NO CAMERA!"
[17:50] <Nafallo> in reality... who cares? :-P
[17:50] <ikonia> Pici: not the same, 
[17:50] <Pici> ikonia: I know :(
[17:50] <ikonia> Nafallo: data centers are not a office/meeting point though
[17:50] <jpds> ikonia: We take plenty of pics at the hotel.
[17:50] <Nafallo> ikonia: meeting point sometimes, but yea. I know what you mean :-)
[17:51] <ikonia> jpds: thats more like it
[17:51] <ikonia> jpds: bit of fun shots and sillyness was waht I was lookign for
[17:51] <ikonia> wow google truly are free thinking off the wall coperation....with rules like that, host a conference - but no photos
[17:51] <genii> Data centers make bad meeting places, the fans whirring drills into your brain and makes for horrible background noise to talk over
[17:52] <jpds> ikonia: Well, they've probably saved Canonical a load of cash by letting them come here.
[17:52] <ikonia> not the point
[17:52] <ikonia> not the point I was making I mean
[17:53] <jpds> And there are two video cameras in every room.
[18:29] <genii> Look, this zaapiel fellow in #u-offtopic is giving me a slow burn here since I'm of native descent
[19:12]  * genii puts on another pot of coffee
[19:46] <ikonia> lazy: how can we help
[19:47] <lazy> unban me from ubuntu
[19:48] <lazy> i am trying to get help on ubuntu but you ban me
[19:48] <lazy> i am trying for 4 hour to figure out my problem
[19:49] <lazy> pfffffffffffffffff
[19:50] <lazy> ikonia, why you have ban me?
[19:50] <lazy> why you waste my time?
[19:50] <lazy> i haven't break an rule on ubuntu
[19:50] <lazy> to get banned
[19:51] <lazy> so be patient, and unban me
[19:58] <lazy> can please someone else help me, i dont need help from ikonia
[19:58] <lazy> :D
[19:59] <lazy> Ljl
[19:59] <lazy> unban me please from ubuntu
[19:59] <nalioth> lazy: attitude is everything.
[19:59] <nalioth> please come back in 24 hours
[19:59] <lazy> nalioth
[19:59] <lazy> you are jokeing with me?
[19:59] <lazy> why do i need to come back in 24 hours?
[20:00] <nalioth> because your ban probably won't be removed before then
[20:00] <lazy> i will never come back here.
[20:01] <lazy> nalioth, will my ban expire in24 hours?
[20:01] <lazy> i dont want
[20:01] <lazy> to chat with you that with tha kind of virtual peoples
[20:02] <lazy> i prefer the real contact.
[20:03] <LjL> lazy, more than lazy you sound crazy
[20:04] <lazy> LjL, why you all remark my nickname all the time?
[20:04] <someone> dose not import
[20:04] <LjL> nor export, nor include nor link
[20:04] <Guest21598> LjL: listen, i do not want to waste my time with converstating with you about my
[20:05] <Guest21598> person
[20:05] <LjL> then don't
[20:05] <Guest21598> please set
[20:05] <Guest21598> that my ban will expire automaticaly becouse i dont want to conversate with you
[20:06] <LjL> please make me a cheesecake
[20:07] <Guest21598> lol
[20:07] <Guest21598> i should came back and talk with remove my ban etc. etc.
[20:07] <jpds> LjL: You forgot to add the magic word.
[20:08] <LjL> Guest21598, not only you aren't making any sense
[20:08] <LjL> but also, you aren't making any sense
[20:08] <Guest21598> i have no reason for my ban
[20:08] <LjL> come back when you can make more sense
[20:08] <Guest21598> LjL, unban me please from ubuntu
[20:09] <Guest21598> some ikonia ban me 
[20:10] <Guest21598> i have tried to speak with some user from ubuntu, but he banned me
[20:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Guest21598 The ban will be reviewed in 24 hours..  You are not helping your cause by staying in here 
[20:10] <Guest21598> what sens do you make?
[20:11] <Guest21598> Jack_Sparrow: i am not sure
[20:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Guest21598 Not sure of what.. It will be reviewed..  that is for sure..  
[20:14] <Guest21598> mde
[20:15] <Guest21598> i have entered here to get help, and ops are blaming me, you a crazy etc.
[20:15] <Guest21598> :D
[20:15] <Guest21598> why you people are so bad?
[20:15] <Guest21598> jack_sparrow ok
[20:16] <LjL> @mark guest21598 Makes no sense. This is "sergiu" and "nick1", who's also just been in #fedora making very little sense
[20:20] <genii> He's now in -offtopic, be warned
[20:20] <genii> "LSD1"
[20:32] <LjL> changing many more nicknames?
[20:32] <LjL> !nickspam
[20:32] <Smile> Hi
[20:33] <Smile> i can enter the #ubuntu
[20:33] <LjL> no
[20:33] <Smile> i mean, can't
[20:33] <LjL> just like you coulnd't 10 minute ago
[20:33] <Smile> anyone know why?
[20:33] <LjL> Smile: ...?
[20:34] <sschoonmaker> no one is helping me and I don't want to have to downgrade to 8.04 :((
[20:34] <Smile> why i can't enter the #ubuntu?
[20:34] <LjL> because you're banned?
[20:34] <Pici> Smile: You aren't fooling anyone by changing your nick.
[20:34] <LjL> Smile: and you aren't *helping* anyone, either
[20:34] <Smile> i have been banned? yes?
[20:34] <Smile> why?
[20:34] <LjL> sschoonmaker: and what can we do?
[20:34] <sschoonmaker> you guys are smart right, can you help with glx?  
[20:35] <Smile> can i be unbanned?
[20:35] <sschoonmaker> or maybe what do I do if nobody answers in #ubuntu
[20:35] <LjL> sschoonmaker: no, i'm afraid this is not a support channel
[20:35] <LjL> Smile: NO
[20:35] <LjL> EN, OH
[20:35] <Smile> LJL, NO?
[20:35] <LjL> !support | sschoonmaker you can try one of these other routes
[20:36] <Smile> why did you banned me?
[20:37] <Smile> or 
[20:37] <Smile> i should not ask this question
[20:37] <LjL> Smile: because you've been disrespectful and annoying. but you know that already.
[20:37] <Smile> the operators can ban for no reason, yeah?
[20:37] <Smile> LjL, sorry, how is this that i was been annoiyng?
[20:37] <LjL> Smile: aside from pestering soundray for half an hour, you mean...?
[20:38]  * LjL blinks
[20:40] <Smile> what does mean "pestering" ?
[20:40] <LjL> Smile: you didn't just PM him, did you?
[20:40] <Smile> who? soundray? 
[20:40] <LjL> ya
[20:41] <Smile> nope
[20:41] <LjL> kay
[20:41] <LjL> pester means to bother or annoy deeply
[20:41] <Smile> is he sick?
[20:42] <LjL> i don't think so?
[20:42] <Smile> LjL, i don't understand what is the matter
[20:43] <LjL> Smile, you were annoying. that is the matter. soundray said that he would stop helping you. ikonia said to drop the issue. you didn't. you kept arguing. eventually, you just insulted all channel users.
[20:43] <LjL> that's not acceptable.
[20:44] <Smile> LJL, sorry, how is that that i insulted channel users?
[20:44] <Smile> i did not.
[20:45] <LjL> 2008-12-10T19:41:42 <lazy> off
[20:45] <LjL> 2008-12-10T19:41:45 <lazy> stupid people.
[20:45] <Smile> i said this in channel?
[20:45] <Smile> :DD
[20:45]  * Smile mde
[20:45] <LjL> i don't find it very funny. do you?
[20:45] <Smile> can't be..
[20:46] <Smile> me not
[20:46] <Smile> i don't belive, i have said this in channel?
[20:46] <LjL> i do believe so.
[20:46] <LjL> i have logs and i can read.
[20:46] <Smile> can't belive to that i said this
[20:47] <Smile> yeah..
[20:47] <Smile> bad
[20:48] <Smile> LjL, 
[20:48] <Smile> maybe i say this in private?
[20:48] <Smile> or in channel?
[20:49] <Hobbsee> in channel, people are watching, maybe?
[20:49] <Smile> i think that have said this in someone private but don't think that i said this in channe,l
[20:49] <LjL> you did.
[20:49] <Smile> i still can belive.
[20:49] <Smile> rofl
[20:49] <Smile> can't
[20:50] <LjL> eh, you're free to believe what you want
[20:50] <LjL> you've also very free to stop wasting my time
[20:50] <Smile> rofl
[20:50] <Smile> Ljl, don't be fool
[20:50] <Smile>  )
[20:50] <Hobbsee> @btlogin'
[20:51] <LjL> Smile, come back in 24 hours. your ban won't be lifted at the present time.
[20:51] <Smile> ok
[20:51] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[20:52] <Smile> LjL, i think i should not come in 24 hours, this is unforgivebel
[20:52] <Smile> ..
[20:53] <Smile> ok,thanks
[20:53] <LjL> oh lord.
[20:57] <Pici> @btlogin
[20:58]  * Seeker` facedesks
[20:59] <genii> Well, never any lack of entertainment around here, anyhow
[21:00] <LjL> you could look at it that way i suppose
[21:00] <Jack_Sparrow> How can we possibly say that is the same person.. he has a different nick after all  :)
[21:01] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: which different nick are you referring to, among the 10 he's had?
[21:01] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[21:05] <ikonia> apologises my connection dropped
[21:06] <LjL> ikonia: HOW CONVENIENT
[21:06] <LjL> :P
[21:06] <ikonia> shut up
[21:06] <genii> Hehehe
[21:07] <ikonia> for some reason my connection dropped for half the train ride
[21:07] <ikonia> never done that before
[21:07] <ikonia> just got through the door
[21:08] <Flannel> you're really starting to bore.
[21:08] <LjL> ikonia: did they upgrade the line to super-high speed and they didn't tell you?
[21:08] <Jack_Sparrow> ikonia Lose the tinfoil hat...  It may help
[21:09]  * Flannel only now thinks of better rhymes.
[21:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Flannel Did you get that windstorm yesterday.. it was outrageous down here
[21:10] <Jack_Sparrow> I still have not found the car cover
[21:11] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: I don't think it was that windy, but I was in rooms without much window area/view for most of the day, so...
[21:18] <genii> ikonia: Anyhow, the channel log for here is probably interesting reading during your absense
[21:19] <ikonia> I've just been scrolling up and chuckling watching LjL struggle
[21:19] <ikonia> enjoy !
[21:19] <ikonia> couldn't have timed it better
[21:19] <nalioth> they're all the same person
[21:19] <ikonia> I know
[21:19] <ikonia> he was pretty rude to me in pm too
[21:20] <ikonia> he joined here after I said I wouldn't discuss it futher while he was using "fuk u" style comments
[21:23] <ikonia> @bansearch hwilde
[21:23] <ikonia> ahh good it's removed
[21:48] <Flannel> Why are people stupid?
[21:49] <Nafallo> comes with the upbring. their mothers and fathers are probably idiots too.
[21:50]  * Flannel sometimes regrets the illegality of forced castration based on idiocy.
[21:53] <genii> If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there a lot of really happy people out there?
[21:56] <jdong> genii: because you have to spread ignorance for it to work.
[21:57] <genii> Interesting theor
[21:57] <genii> *theory
[21:57] <LjL> jdong: fess up, saying that just made you a little happier
[21:58] <jdong> LjL: *NO* I wanted to turn it into a STD analogy but thought better.
[21:58] <jdong> I was hoping you'd be proud of me for that...
[21:58] <genii> Heh
[21:58] <jdong> ;-)
[21:58] <genii> I gotta head home, so /away   ...
[22:23] <LjL> [23:21:45] <-- ompaul has left this server ("an sql query walked up to two tables and asked, can I join you?  (the old ones are best)").
[22:23] <LjL> ok, what length ban?
[22:31] <Pici> :P
[22:35] <Pici> FYI, Expect something from the CC regarding the IRCC.
[22:42] <phix> G'day
[22:43] <Jack_Sparrow> phix how may we help you
[22:44] <Jack_Sparrow> !idle
[22:53] <phix> I would love to go into #Ubuntu
[22:56] <Jack_Sparrow> @bansearch phix
[22:57] <Jack_Sparrow> phix Should I assume you were banned
[22:58] <Jack_Sparrow> You were banned yesterday by ljl.. you need to speak with him about it
[22:59] <Jack_Sparrow> !idle > phix 
[23:08] <phix> ok
[23:09] <phix> I will go then
[23:10] <LjL> what's hard to grasp in the expression "a few days"
[23:12] <Jack_Sparrow> We have jason_ idling as well..  Has anyone spoken withhim/her
[23:15] <Jack_Sparrow> !idle > jason_ 
[23:16] <Pici> Jason is jrib iirc.
[23:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Ahhh..  
[23:16] <Jack_Sparrow> ty
[23:17] <Jack_Sparrow> He joined right next to phix.. so I wasnt sure
[23:21] <LjL> no, he isn't
[23:21] <Pici> Oh?
[23:21] <Pici> @bansearch jason_ 
[23:21] <LjL> Pici: realname isn't jrib's
[23:22] <Pici> Ah.
[23:22] <Pici> I didn't look any closer.
[23:22] <genii> Pici: You guys still at that meeting?
[23:22] <Pici> genii: Which?
[23:23] <genii> Pici: I thought you were in Mountainview at Google or so
[23:23] <Pici> genii: I am.  UDS is not just one meeting, its a weeklong series of meetings.
[23:24] <Seeker`> geektastic
[23:24] <genii> Hehe
[23:25] <Pici> The schedule is here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-jaunty/
[23:26] <Pici> Also, #ubuntu-devel-summit
[23:26] <genii> If someone just basically fed me to do it, I'd probably do more development stuff
[23:28] <Pici> genii: Google is feeding us for free
[23:29] <genii> Pici: Geez, don't tell me stuff like that!
[23:30] <LjL-Simmons> was this just me disconnecting...?
[23:30] <PriceChild> yep
[23:31] <LjL-Simmons> weird
[23:35] <LjL> BuZZ-T: hi, can we help?
[23:35] <BuZZ-T> no thx
[23:35] <BuZZ-T> sry, just wanted to know whats this channel is about
[23:35] <BuZZ-T> *what
[23:36] <LjL> ok
[23:42] <nalioth> "same as any other channel with -ops tacked on the end of it"
[23:42] <nalioth> duh
[23:53] <mneptok> two red circles and a thick black spot.