[00:25] <knoppix> hi, how do  i connect from kde to a smb server (gnome user here) , the smb server is on my subnet
[00:26] <knome> knoppix, ask #kubuntu
[00:27] <knoppix> home, oops sorr
[00:27] <knoppix> sorry
[00:53] <ron_o> might have found a bug in 8.04
[00:54] <ron_o> keyboard shortcuts. I add the keyboard shortcut, say 'xkill' .. then it asks me for the shortcut and won't let me place it anywhere.
[00:55] <ron_o> nevermind. you have to type the keys on the keyboard. just weird.
[01:18] <McCallister> Hey guys.
[01:19] <McCallister> I lost my panel.
[01:22] <McCallister> hello dsmith
[01:29] <phix> hi McCallister
[01:29] <phix> how are you?
[01:30] <McCallister> I'm alright.
[01:31] <McCallister> I lost my panel.
[01:31] <McCallister> Not sure how to restart it.
[01:32] <McCallister> xfce4
[01:32] <knome> McCallister, alt+f2 > xfce4-panel
[01:34] <Recursiv3> How do I enable SHMConfig in Xubuntu 8.10? The xorg.conf file is not working.
[01:50] <McCallister> I'm not sure.
[01:52] <phix> McCallister: :(
[01:56] <Kudi> how do i get conky to show my ip address?  What did i do wrong?: IP - ${color white}${addr interface}
[01:58] <McCallister> That's it!!
[01:58] <McCallister> Got it. Thanks a bunch
[02:01] <Recursiv3> How do I edit my touchpad settings in Intrepid Ibex?
[02:02] <Recursiv3> I can't use GSynaptics because I can't enable SHMConfig
[02:04] <McCallister> I'm not sure.
[02:04] <McCallister> What type of laptop?
[02:08] <Recursiv3> eeePC
[02:09] <McCallister> Are there any posts about it on the forums?
[02:09] <Recursiv3> Yes. They don't seem to work.
[02:10] <Recursiv3> I just need some way to turn tapping off.
[02:11] <McCallister> That would get annoying.
[02:12] <McCallister> What operating system came installed?
[02:13] <Recursiv3> A version of Xandros.
[02:13] <Recursiv3> It was really dumbed down; I needed a real OS.
[02:14] <ball> CP/M-80 ftw
[02:15] <ball> Speaking of "dumbed down", I think Mrs. ball's next PC will have MS Windows Vista Home Basic
[02:16] <Recursiv3> God damn it.
[02:16] <ball> What's wrong?
[02:16] <Recursiv3> I've been trying for at least a week to get tapping disabled.
[02:17] <Recursiv3> This damn computer.
[02:17] <ball> On a trackpad?
[02:17] <Recursiv3> YEs.
[02:17] <ball> Yeah, that would be annoying.
[02:17] <ball> s/would/could/
[02:17] <ball> Is it a CMOS setting?
[02:17] <Recursiv3> No, you are supposed to be able to use gsynaptics, but it doesn't work on Intrepid.
[02:18] <ball> So there's no CMOS setting to disable it?
[02:18] <Recursiv3> I will check, I am almost certain not.
[02:19] <ball> Definitely worth checking.  If the firmware's passing "clicks" to the OS, there's nothing gsynaptics (or whatever) will be able to do about it.
[02:19] <Recursiv3> No, no option.
[02:19] <ball> hello effie_jayx
[02:19] <ball> Recursiv3: that's odd.
[02:19] <effie_jayx> hello ball
[02:20] <Recursiv3> I have not been able to get any touchpad configuration stuff running.
[02:21] <ball> Are you running some sort of touchpad driver, or just generic mouse?
[02:21] <Recursiv3> IDK.
[02:21] <Recursiv3> I think there is some sort of driver installed.
[02:21] <ball> I'm inclined to blame the firmware, but then I'm always inclined to blame the firmware.
[02:22] <ball> ...because /so/ much firmware is broken, or at best poorly-written
[02:34] <Kudi> how do i make the volume applet control pcm instead of master?
[02:36] <ball> hello Kudi
[02:38] <Kudi> ball: hi
[02:39] <Kudi> ball: what are u bored or something?
[02:40] <Recursiv3> Some sites say that I can use xinput to configure the touchpad.
[02:41] <Kudi> Recursiv3: if your talking to me i have no idea what your talking about but if you are i can google
[02:42] <Recursiv3> I'm just saying it to anyone who will listen.
[02:42] <Recursiv3> Can anyone tell me what command I would use to disable the tapping using xinput?
[02:43] <Kudi> ohh...i dont think any1 is answering questions here, there probably all out for tea
[02:43] <ball> Recursiv3: I reckon you're barking up the wrong tree.
[02:43] <ball> Kudi: depends on the question
[02:44] <Recursiv3> ball, what do you mean?
[02:45] <ball> Recursiv3: Well, I've an idea, but I don't know enough about Xubuntu to know how to test it.
[02:45] <Recursiv3> Tell me your idea and I can test it.
[02:45] <Kudi> ball: ha, what are u trying to say..
[02:46] <ball> Recursiv3: There may be a way in Xubuntu (or in X, specifically) to see what events the firmware is sending to your X server.
[02:46] <ball> That could tell you whether your firmware is at fault.
[02:47] <Recursiv3> I don't think the firmware is at fault.
[02:48] <ball> Why do you think that?
[02:48] <Recursiv3> The OS that was previously installed was able to have tap-to-click disabled.
[02:48] <ball> Hmm... ok
[02:48] <ball> Well that supports your thought.
[03:38] <D-MAN> DOES ANYONE KNOW WERE TO GET AN EASY TO USE INVOICE TEMPLATE?
[03:38] <D-MAN> sry caps
[03:38] <izinucs> OO should have one either built in or downloadable.
[03:39] <D-MAN> izinucs,  tried downloading on for oo but cant edit it it says read only?
[03:40] <izinucs> D-MAN, once open in oo save it again with a new name
[03:40] <D-MAN> kk let me try that
[03:43] <D-MAN> IZ IT WORKED BOY DO I FEEL DUMB!!!!!
[03:44] <D-MAN> izinucs,  thnx
[03:44] <izinucs> np.. :)
[05:04] <D-MAN> my printer keeps cutting off the right side of page in oo spreadsheeet how can i fix this?
[05:51] <R1cochet> is there any way to view printer ink levels?
[06:01] <crawlthewarriork> does anyone perhaps know why when I update packages or use apt-get to dl software, it goes really slow (download speed) but on the internet (firefox) I can download really fast?
[06:05] <crawlthewarriork> anyone?
[06:06] <cody-somerville> crawlthewarriork, try a different mirror
[06:07] <crawlthewarriork> how do you do that using apt-get or update manager?
[06:09] <crimsun> cody-somerville: do you know if Xubuntu 9.04 will use PulseAudio?
[06:19] <crimsun> cody-somerville: ok, well, if you happen to know, find me during lunch tomorrow
[08:59] <bebop_> anyone available to help with a issue?
[09:04] <generalsnus> We have a problem with our thin clients,  It seems like each user has 2 instances of the process "ps" running.. using 2% cpu each.. as you imagine..this is a problem when there is 30 users logged on.. cpu load is at 90-100%  what can i do?
[09:26] <generalsnus> We have a problem with our LTSP clients.. each user have x2 instances of the process "ps" its eating all cpu. What could be wrong? pstree: http://paste2.org/p/113585
[09:33] <TheSheep> generalsnus: it's being called by some python script...
[09:34] <TheSheep> generalsnus: maybe try 'ps auxwww' to see the full command that started it
[09:44] <generalsnus> http://paste2.org/p/113591  is the output of "ps auxwww|grep python "
[09:45] <TheSheep> generalsnus: what's /usr/bin/scp-client ?
[09:46] <TheSheep> hmm... it's part of thin-client-manager-backend
[09:47] <TheSheep> whatever it is
[09:47] <TheSheep> I see it's placed in autostarted applications
[09:48] <generalsnus> isnt it somthing i would need to have autostarted?
[09:50] <TheSheep> no idea
[09:50] <TheSheep> you can file a bug for it
[09:52] <TheSheep> generalsnus: that script is strange
[09:52] <TheSheep> looks like it's written by a java programmer who never saw python before
[09:52] <generalsnus> here is the script tho: http://paste2.org/p/113596
[09:53] <TheSheep> generalsnus: yes, I downloaded it from packages.ubuntu.com
[09:53] <generalsnus> ah
[09:54] <TheSheep> generalsnus: it should run the 'perent poller' function every 10 seconds
[09:54] <TheSheep> parent_poller
[09:56] <TheSheep> it then forks a shell running ps and grep just to see if its parent process is still running
[09:56] <TheSheep> madness
[09:58] <generalsnus> hm.. we tried to killall python, just to get the system responsive again... cpu load went back to 20%
[09:58] <generalsnus> is there somthing i can do to the script, to prevent this?
[09:59] <TheSheep> generalsnus: let me see
[10:03] <TheSheep> generalsnus: try this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/94659/
[10:06] <TheSheep> generalsnus: but please report the bug too
[10:06] <generalsnus> ok, ill wait until i can reboot the thing..
[10:07] <generalsnus> ill report bug aswell as reporting feedback here
[10:09] <generalsnus> brb lunch
[11:43] <R1cochet> is there a way to check my printer ink cartridge levels? 8.10
[11:46] <gabkdlly> R1cochet: you might check if the site of your printer manufacturer has a page dedicated to linux support
[11:46] <gabkdlly> if there is not a way to do this, then it is a bug, since I have heard that running your printer when there is no ink can damage the heads
[11:47] <gabkdlly> although I guess on some printers it does not matter, you just find out that the cartridges are empty by your printouts fading to white
[11:47] <gabkdlly> you should definitely consult your user manual and/or the printers manufacturers site
[15:05] <likemindead> Can anyone explain why are some updates "kept back" when I try to "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get upgrade" ?
[15:06] <likemindead> Is it most likely that there are dependencies for those packages that haven't made it into updates yet?
[16:00] <Shaba1> anyone here?
[16:02] <tingle> jep
[16:04] <Shaba1> Hello tingle
[16:04] <tingle> hello Shaba1
[16:04] <Shaba1> I think I found the answer to my question already
[16:04] <Shaba1> but I will stand by just in case
[16:05] <Shaba1> here is one though
[16:05] <tingle> good, google is your friend
[16:05] <Shaba1> how do I find the version of xubuntu I am running
[16:05] <tingle> hm let me think
[16:05] <tingle> uname -a maybe
[16:05] <tingle> sec ill check
[16:06] <tingle> well you cant really see what XUBUNTU you running whit uname -a
[16:07] <tingle> Shaba1: applications > help on the top page you can see what version your running
[16:08] <tingle> Shaba1: Welcome to Xubuntu 8.10! for example
[16:09] <Shaba1> that opened a web page in firefox
[16:09] <Shaba1> it said welcome to xubuntu 8.04 or something similar
[16:11] <tingle> well than you prolly have 8.04
[16:12] <Shaba1> Ok next
[16:12] <Shaba1> How do I "install" a .deb file
[16:12] <Shaba1> sorry for all the stupid newbie questions
[16:12] <tingle> dpkg -i packagename.deb
[16:12] <tingle> as root ofc..
[16:12] <Shaba1> I a quite versed in windows but totally new to linux
[16:13] <tingle> its no problem but you can google most of the question too
[16:13] <tingle> im sure there has been someone whit the same question before you
[16:15] <Shaba1> thanks tingle
[16:16] <tingle> no problem Shaba1
[16:17] <Shaba1> I will still hang out here though
[16:17] <Shaba1> Now that I knew there is someone here
[16:17] <Shaba1> :D
[16:18] <tingle> xD
[16:44] <Shaba1> is the not and edit command in linux
[16:46] <Erant> How come my system boots up in the wrong resolution? I've only got about 1/4 of the screen. I can go to the Settings Panel and change the resolution, and then it's fine.
[16:46] <Erant> But it does that everytime I boot
[16:52] <Shaba1> ok what question
[16:52] <Shaba1> what does '/etc/profile/" do>?
[16:53] <TheSheep> Shaba1: it's explained in teh first line of that file
[17:14] <Erant> Hmm, other question then. The GRUB that comes with Ubuntu, would that be GRUB2 or GRUB legacy?
[17:17] <crimsun> Erant: grub legacy
[17:18] <crimsun> Erant: we're actually in a session currently at UDS discussing replacing grub legacy with grub 2
[17:19] <crimsun> Erant: and by "GRUB that comes with Ubuntu", I presume you mean not "GRUB available in Ubuntu" (because both are) but "GRUB that is the default bootloader"
[17:19] <MiVo> Hello, I try to use icecast2 in Xubuntu, but I get this error: "Starting icecast2: start-stop-daemon: Unable to set gid to 123 (Operation not permitted)"
[17:20] <Shaba1> what is "UDS"
[17:22] <Kudi> KAD is firewalled still but i cant control udp in my router settings and i have no idea how to update the node list...all im looking for is a green arrow.  What are my options?
[17:27] <Shaba1> linux is so frustrating
[17:28] <Shaba1> no wonder it had not made it as a general user OS
[17:29] <Kudi> Shaba1: ha if you think ubuntu is frustrating you need to read a lil more, ubuntu already does so much for you
[17:33] <Shaba1> I have been using computer since I brought my first altair 5000 in the 70s
[17:34] <Shaba1> I seperate things into how easy is it for someone like me to do operations
[17:34] <Shaba1> and how easy it is for a general user to do the an operations
[17:34] <Shaba1> and trust me linux is NOT for the average user
[17:37] <TheSheep> Shaba1: it also hurts that you can't use all your experience from Other Operating Systems (tm)
[17:37] <TheSheep> Shaba1: on the bright side, you learn a bit of POSIX, which is a standard that is going to stay
[17:40] <Shaba1> true
[17:40] <Shaba1> and that is why I am learning linus
[17:41] <Shaba1> linux
[17:41] <Shaba1> right now I am tring to get the roadsendphp compiler to complie itself
[17:41] <Shaba1> and its frustrating
[17:44] <TheSheep> bootstrapping is always tricky
[17:46] <Shaba1> bootstrapping?
[17:46] <Shaba1> I used this page
[17:46] <Shaba1> http://www.compdigitec.com/labs/2008/07/24/install-roadsend-php-compiler-on-ubuntu-without-compiling-anything/
[17:47] <Shaba1> but when I get to step four I get and error. something about pcc.conf not availible or something
[17:47] <TheSheep> Shaba1: remember how baron Munhausen pulled himself from swamp by his boot straps?
[17:48] <Shaba1> nope
[17:49] <TheSheep> Shaba1: anyways, the process of a program compiling itself or a loading itself into memory, or doing similar things with itself is called 'bootstrapping'
[17:49] <TheSheep> Shaba1: that's why you 'boot' the operating system
[17:52] <Shaba1> I know what that is TheSheep. I just did not see how it applied in this context
[17:53] <TheSheep> well, compiler compiling itself...
[17:56] <Shaba1> lol
[17:56] <Shaba1> I now it sounds silly
[17:56] <Shaba1> did you look at that page?
[18:00] <TheSheep> Shaba1: took a cursory glance
[18:01] <TheSheep> Shaba1: not much to do, they provide ready debs, you just have to set up a bunch of environment variables because the debs have the files in wrong places
[18:05] <TheSheep> Shaba1: btw, instead of setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH, you can jsut add it to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf and run ldconf
[18:05] <TheSheep> ldconfig
[18:21] <Shaba1> what does that do?
[18:22] <Shaba1> TheSheep check out this pastbin.
[18:22] <Shaba1> http://pastebin.com/d3a5f49ff
[18:22] <Shaba1> that is the error I get when I use the -d 2 debug levle
[18:28] <Veinor> So I just switched from GNOME to xfce, what should I know?
[18:29] <knome> Veinor, be happy.
[18:30] <Veinor> lol
[18:30] <Veinor> but seriously, what should I get used to doing differently?
[18:31] <MOras> hi anyone to help me with xubuntu 6.06. I click on Applications but the list won't show
[18:34] <Shaba1> TheSheep are you still here?
[18:37] <knome> Veinor, not really anything in particular.
[18:37] <Veinor> awesome
[18:40] <knome> but little things, xfce should be a bit more logical and have some different configurability
[18:40] <knome> you can just ask if you need help or don't know how something is supposed to be workinhg
[18:40] <knome> -h
[18:40] <Veinor> so far this is great
[18:42] <knome> good to hear..
[18:45] <Veinor> hmm
[18:45] <Veinor> although my mute button doesn't seem to be able to unmute things
[18:45] <knome> did it work in gnome?
[18:45] <Veinor> yep
[18:45] <Veinor> and banshee doesn't seem to be liking this at all
[18:46] <knome> Veinor, mine works so i don't have any experience in fixing it
[18:58] <Erant> Veinor: Banshee works fine here too
[18:58] <Veinor> i get stuff like "Trying to dispose element playbin, but it is not in the NULL state.
[18:59] <Erant> I'm currently having some issues with XUbuntu as well though. In order to get a proper desktop, I have to re-set the resolution each time I boot. When I boot, I only get 1/4 of the screen :/
[19:00] <Erant> It's like 640x480, with a 1024x768 framebuffer
[19:05] <Veinor> yeah, it's doing it even after a reboot. :/
[19:08] <Veinor> hmm
[19:08] <Veinor> totem's doing it, but VLC isn't, nor is exaile
[19:08] <Veinor> er
[19:08] <Veinor> totem's glitching, VLC and exaile aren't
[19:14] <Veinor> fixed it
[19:14] <Veinor> pulseaudio wasn't starting for some reason
[19:17] <Veinor> now how do i get the multimedia keys to work again?
[19:26] <ohgodnotanother1> hi there
[19:26] <ohgodnotanother1> my brother is having trouble with his sound card on a fresh Xubuntu 8.10
[19:26] <ohgodnotanother1> where can I set the sound "manager"? OSS or ALSA?
[19:27] <ohgodnotanother1> it's a built in intel sound card btw.
[19:27] <ohgodnotanother1> the problem: no audio playback under the os
[19:36] <Voluhar> hello, my instalation of alternate xubuntu freeze up after first reboot in xfce
[20:40] <Aquina> hoi
[20:41] <Aquina> Is there a way to rename the "/home/<username>/Desktop" direcory to something like ".dektop"?
[20:41] <Aquina> It's often getting into my way...
[20:52] <David-A> Aquina: there are setting i this file that might be what you want, not tested: ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[21:48] <Aquina> thx, David-A ;-)
[21:49] <David-A> did it work changing XDG_DESKTOP_DIR?
[22:01] <Aquina> well I need to restart the gdm session. I'm gonna tell you later. ;-)
[22:01] <Aquina> 5 mins.
[22:02] <David-A> no worries, take your time, no need to hurry for me
[22:06] <ig0r1> Hi everybody
[22:06] <ig0r1> can anyone please tell me where is the Font dir in xubuntu???
[22:06] <knome> ig0r1, you can put fonts in ~/.fonts
[22:07] <knome> ig0r1, then fc-cache -f -v
[22:07] <ig0r1> knome: but that would be for one user only?
[22:07] <knome> ig0r1, yes.
[22:07] <knome> !fonts
[22:08] <knome> there you are.
[22:08] <David-A> ig0r1: remember, every user config for him self
[22:08] <ig0r1> Thank you very much I will read it! ))
[22:21] <Aquina> brb
[22:21] <Aquina> It didn't work. :-(
[22:22] <Aquina> I followed there instructions: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-631711.html
[22:26] <David-A> Aquina: just a hunch, what if, what happens if you add a line "export XDG_DESKTOP_DIR=~/.desktop" in the file ~/.profile or ~/bash_profile (but no "quotes") (and logout/in)
[22:29] <Aquina> sec I'm loggin in and out...
[22:31] <Aquina> no, It doesn't work
[22:31] <Aquina> :-(
[22:33] <David-A> Aquina: well, i dont know then. remember to restore your ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile and ~/.config/whatsitsnameagain
[22:35] <R1cochet> everytime i try to add an .mp3 to audio project in Brasero it freezes the program
[22:35] <R1cochet> is there anyway to fix this?
[22:43] <Aquina> thx, David-A
[22:43] <Aquina> :-/
[22:44] <David-A> :-( with u and the environment, otherwise :-)
[22:45] <Aquina> :-)
[22:45] <David-A> sorry, no comparision with u and the environment intended
[23:27] <Aquina> "with me and the environemnt" - a strange expression...
[23:27] <ubendu> Is xubuntu just a shortened-down version of ubuntu? Or is it completely different.
[23:28] <ubendu> Looking for something light to run on office computers.
[23:28] <knome> R1cochet, i don't actually know if brasero supports mp3
[23:28] <knome> ubendu, it's basically the same, but it uses xfce as window manager rather than gnome, so for the enduser it might look quite a lot different
[23:29] <ubendu> knome: So it's not 'lighter' at all really? Just different.
[23:29] <knome> ubendu, it is also lighter, yes,
[23:29] <ubendu> knome, right okay :)
[23:29] <knome> ubendu, it really depends on the machine you have whether it's usable
[23:30] <ubendu> Well, they have Windows (am I allowed to say that here?) on the server and all computers at the moment
[23:30] <ubendu> So it would be a big conversion.
[23:31] <knome> ubendu, how much ram?
[23:32] <ubendu> knome: It differs from machine to machine, but I thought the requirements for Windows XP Professional > ubuntu
[23:32] <ubendu> > x 100.
[23:33] <knome> ubendu, yes...
[23:33] <knome> ubendu, which is the lowest? are we talking about 128 or 256 or 512
[23:33] <ubendu> 256
[23:33] <ubendu> I will have to check though first.
[23:34] <knome> it should be ok, but maybe a bit slow user experience.
[23:34] <ubendu> What would be the easiest way of install ubuntu on all of those computers?
[23:34] <ubendu> We're talking 30/40.
[23:34] <ubendu> ubuntu-server will be on the server, so is there a net install feature?
[23:34] <knome> i'm not actually an expert on this.
[23:34] <knome> cody-somerville, ?
[23:35] <TheSheep> we are actually dd-ing the whole hard disk, it's about 100-150 computers
[23:35] <knome> hello TheSheep. how are you?
[23:35] <TheSheep> we have a simple linux boot disk that brings up the network, downloads and unzips the disk images and runs grub
[23:36] <TheSheep> knome: hi, all good
[23:36] <zoredache> you probably should consider setting up a apt-cache, you might want to look at pxe booting the mini.iso, you might want to look at building an answer script so you can completely automate the install
[23:36] <TheSheep> I admit we do that mainly because we also install windows that way
[23:37] <zoredache> TheSheep: how do you deal with hardware varation?
[23:38] <TheSheep> zoredache: our installs are proofed to it
[23:38] <TheSheep> zoredache: at least in the range of the computers we have to support
[23:38] <TheSheep> zoredache: I thin they use something called sysprep on windows
[23:39] <zoredache> yeah, but on linux boxes, do you do something to resize the partitions to take up all the available space?
[23:40] <TheSheep> zoredache: no, we use sfdisk to create the partitions and just leave the empty space as it on the larger disks
[23:41] <TheSheep> zoredache: the installs are prepared for the smallest disks we support
[23:41] <zoredache> ah
[23:42] <TheSheep> it's easier this way, we also have some hooks in /etc/rc.local to run scripts from nfs-mounted partition, so we can add fixes after the install
[23:42] <TheSheep> and they will be applied on next boot
[23:43] <TheSheep> for the next year we are working on instalation scripts based on torrent :)
[23:45] <Constrabus> What is the default root password to enter su for the xubuntu live CD
[23:46] <Constrabus> Im using the xubuntu live cd to install gentoo on a hard drive.
[23:46] <knome> Constrabus, you should use sudo
[23:50] <j_xinudsb> yes --sudo passwod root
[23:50] <j_xinudsb> sorry
[23:50] <j_xinudsb> sudo passwd root
[23:50] <j_xinudsb> to set it
[23:52] <j_xinudsb> or $sudo bash
[23:53] <knome> actually i referred to using sudo and not root at all.....