| jjesse-dell9 | seele: is my power supply for my dell still there by you? | 00:31 |
|---|---|---|
| jjesse-dell9 | i think she is ignoring you | 00:36 |
| jjesse-dell9 | ignorning me | 00:36 |
| JontheEchidna | bug 226119 made me squirt my orange juice out of my nose | 00:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 226119 in qt4-x11 "cannot start smplayer" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/226119 | 00:43 |
| JontheEchidna | which would have been a good thing except citric acid generally isn't nice to your nasal passage :( | 00:44 |
| JontheEchidna | (well, the last comment of said bug) | 00:44 |
| Hobbsee | i want to know who the falks are. | 00:52 |
| Hobbsee | or what. | 00:52 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: whit? | 00:54 |
| Hobbsee | ;) | 00:55 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: we've had that before, the qt with nessus doesn't have the same symbols as us | 00:55 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, I've seen that too | 00:56 |
| vorian | sup guys! | 01:15 |
| yao_ziyuan | i'm curious about how ubuntu checks upstream packages for security breaches. | 01:52 |
| yao_ziyuan | for example, if we install chinese language support in ubuntu, "stardict" will be automatically installed. | 01:52 |
| yao_ziyuan | stardict is maintained by someone in mainland china. he was my msn buddy and i know he is politically trustworthy, | 01:53 |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: Would you mind doing binary New on mlt++. | 01:53 |
| yao_ziyuan | but what if it's someone in china/russia we don't know? | 01:53 |
| \sh | yao_ziyuan: who tells you that any dev/packager is political correct? Just because of the country he/she is living? | 01:54 |
| yao_ziyuan | right | 01:54 |
| yao_ziyuan | so is there any mechanism to check? | 01:54 |
| \sh | yao_ziyuan: tbh, this thinking is so wrong... | 01:54 |
| yao_ziyuan | tbh=? | 01:55 |
| vorian | to be honest | 01:55 |
| \sh | to be honest | 01:55 |
| yao_ziyuan | is there peer review of source code? | 01:55 |
| \sh | the community | 01:56 |
| yao_ziyuan | but it is possible that stardict's source code is never reviewed by someone else? | 01:56 |
| yao_ziyuan | because it's not a standard component | 01:57 |
| yao_ziyuan | it is only installed when chinese language support is enabled. | 01:57 |
| \sh | yes...but that could happen to openoffice as well | 01:57 |
| ScottK-laptop | yao_ziyuan: It's free software, the source is available so anyone can review it. | 01:58 |
| yao_ziyuan | so it's easier to plant a backdoor in open source projects than in wikipedia | 01:58 |
| ScottK-laptop | I don't think that follows. | 01:58 |
| yao_ziyuan | *than to vandalize in wikipedia | 01:58 |
| ScottK-laptop | Actually it's quite trivial to get false information into Wikipedia. It just needs to be on an obscure topic. | 01:59 |
| yao_ziyuan | in wikipedia, if an article is of little interest to the public and is not watched by anyone, then it's very likely that vandalism to it is not caught. | 01:59 |
| \sh | yao_ziyuan: yes and no...using windows, you already have backdoors you don't know...but | 01:59 |
| ScottK-laptop | Right, commercial software vendors outsource coding to all kinds of places and there is no way to know or check. | 02:00 |
| \sh | I don't know any source which was doing something nasty and wasn't revelead in no time | 02:00 |
| yao_ziyuan | i do believe microsoft reviews every line of code | 02:00 |
| ScottK-laptop | yao_ziyuan: Why do you believe that? | 02:01 |
| ScottK-laptop | And how do you know what they review it for? | 02:01 |
| yao_ziyuan | microsoft easily has money to hire people to do the review | 02:01 |
| ScottK-laptop | Your definition and theirs of acceptable might be widely different. | 02:01 |
| ScottK-laptop | Microsoft is in the business of making profits. | 02:01 |
| ScottK-laptop | It's not in their interest to spend more on code than they need to. | 02:02 |
| yao_ziyuan | ok | 02:02 |
| \sh | yao_ziyuan: why do you think it's so difficult for the EU government to get hands on the source of MS Windows? (actually theyhave now for a good bunch of the code, but not all, especially the cryptographic stuff is problematic) | 02:03 |
| yao_ziyuan | ok skip microsoft | 02:03 |
| ScottK-laptop | Today almost all large commercial software development is done by doing the design and specifications in house and outsourcing the actual code to the lowest bidder. | 02:04 |
| ScottK-laptop | I've done consulting work for one large anti-spam vendor that did all their coding in the Ukraine. | 02:04 |
| yao_ziyuan | ok, let's focus on the original problem | 02:04 |
| \sh | we hire nearshoring companies from romania | 02:05 |
| yao_ziyuan | if we have a malicious author | 02:05 |
| yao_ziyuan | who creates and maintains a package | 02:05 |
| yao_ziyuan | the packages seems to work fine | 02:05 |
| yao_ziyuan | and ubuntu includes it | 02:05 |
| yao_ziyuan | and even installs it by default | 02:05 |
| ScottK-laptop | But someone has to decide to include it. | 02:05 |
| ScottK-laptop | If it's installed by default (in Main) there is at least some security audit done. | 02:06 |
| yao_ziyuan | someone decides to include it because it seems useful and working | 02:06 |
| yao_ziyuan | good to hear that | 02:06 |
| ScottK-laptop | Gotta go put a kid to bed. Back in a bit. | 02:06 |
| yao_ziyuan | gotta sleep | 02:06 |
| ScottK-laptop | If I lived in China, I'd be nervous too. | 02:12 |
| Tm_T | ScottK-laptop: glad our little one finally sleeps more than 2 hours at night | 02:12 |
| ScottK-laptop | ;-) | 02:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | Our 'little one' is now 5, so it's a different set of excitments. | 02:13 |
| Tm_T | I know (:) | 02:14 |
| Tm_T | I'm more used to be with kids than babies | 02:14 |
| \sh | don't make me nervous...I need my sleep...at least I won't get it in less then 5 months ,-) | 02:17 |
| ScottK-laptop | Bawah-ha-ha-ha-ha! | 02:20 |
| ScottK-laptop | ^^ is an evil laugh if you can't tell. | 02:20 |
| \sh | hmm...I got that ,-) | 02:20 |
| Tm_T | kids... | 02:20 |
| \sh | if my son will be born around the release time of jaunty...he will be nicknamed "jaunty" and it will be written in his identity card | 02:21 |
| ScottK-laptop | Who's the Kubuntu person going to https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-hotkey-madness | 02:22 |
| Tm_T | \sh: as your grandmother/-father I don't approve that | 02:22 |
| \sh | Tm_T: hehe | 02:22 |
| ScottK-laptop | \sh: No Jackalope tatoos. | 02:22 |
| \sh | ScottK: oh...no...but there will be a tatoo..on my arm..with the name of our offspring :) | 02:23 |
| ScottK-laptop | I'm cool with that. | 02:25 |
| ScottK-laptop | Just keep in mind you may have more than one, so consider room for expansion so the later ones don't feel left out. | 02:25 |
| ScottK-laptop | Not kidding on that one, BTW. One of my wife's brothers didn't think that through very well. | 02:26 |
| \sh | ScottK: my back has enough room for more then two or four ;) | 02:27 |
| \sh | and oh...I did something right...my nfs filestores with drbd and heartbeat were surving a kernel update | 02:28 |
| === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde | ||
| chaztrip | can some one help with a question... I am trying to install mono on kubuntu and getting errors... | 04:15 |
| ScottK-laptop | Not very patient these mono folks. | 04:30 |
| \sh | grmpf...fcked up while working on cisco access lists... | 04:38 |
| === vore is now known as erov | ||
| Riddell | ScottK-laptop: mlt approved | 05:34 |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: Thanks. I think I can do kdenlive up to a KDE4 version now. | 05:35 |
| Riddell | awooga | 05:36 |
| NCommander | hey Riddell | 05:36 |
| Riddell | evening NCommander | 05:38 |
| Riddell | NCommander: coming for a swim? | 05:38 |
| NCommander | no swim trunks | 05:38 |
| Riddell | nobody's looking | 05:38 |
| NCommander | I'm mulling for sleep | 05:38 |
| seele | a bit cold for a swim | 05:41 |
| NCommander | the cold makes it nice | 05:41 |
| NCommander | Riddell, who else is going to go swim? | 05:42 |
| ScottK-laptop | Did Hobbsee get thrown in the pool yet? | 05:43 |
| ScottK-laptop | Perhaps it's seele's turn this time. | 05:43 |
| seele | no | 05:43 |
| seele | on both counts | 05:43 |
| NCommander | If Hobbsee is going to get thrown in the pool, I'll go down | 05:43 |
| NCommander | That would be worth watching | 05:43 |
| NCommander | I'm currently enjoying mythbusters | 05:44 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Got some time for an FTBFS? It's even in Universe so you can upload it ... | 05:44 |
| NCommander | Maybe | 05:44 |
| NCommander | I'm kinda burnt at the moment, but I can add it to my queue | 05:44 |
| ScottK-laptop | It's mlt. Seems to have died on quite a number of archs. | 05:44 |
| seele | NCommander: she says she may put her feet in .. i dunno about the pool throwing bit though | 05:44 |
| NCommander | Wait | 05:45 |
| NCommander | Soemthing just authed as me ... | 05:45 |
| NCommander | O_o; | 05:45 |
| NCommander | o_o; | 05:46 |
| NCommander | seele, Riddell, I'll be down in about ten minutes when I change and finish seeing if a radar can cook a turkey | 05:47 |
| seele | NCommander: i'm not going down :) | 05:47 |
| NCommander | seele, you don't even want to join us around the pool? | 05:48 |
| seele | NCommander: not after i see you throw people in | 05:49 |
| NCommander | I don't throw people in | 05:49 |
| NCommander | I just watch and laugh | 05:49 |
| Hobbsee | oh, so people are going swimming? | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | I was contemplating it, at some point | 05:52 |
| NCommander | Hobbsee, it would be interesting to see | 05:53 |
| NCommander | I just watched a turkey denotate | 05:53 |
| Hobbsee | NCommander: what, me swimming? | 05:53 |
| Hobbsee | er, why? | 05:53 |
| NCommander | Hobbsee, no, just seeing people downstairs being social. Cause, you know, being social is cool | 05:54 |
| * NCommander is half-awake and fairly easy to confuse at the moment | 05:54 | |
| NCommander | as for exploding turkeys | 05:54 |
| NCommander | Well, why not? | 05:54 |
| Hobbsee | there is that | 06:01 |
| glade88 | http://forum.kde.org/gwenview-save-as-problem-t-19263.html#pid24568 -- would be a bug? | 11:19 |
| doc___ | hi there | 12:24 |
| cbr | aww crap kwin is using 80% cpu | 12:58 |
| cbr | i better reboot or something, the laptop's fan is going nuts | 12:59 |
| cbr | nice.. and now suspend to ram won't work in jaunty :( | 13:16 |
| hunger | cbr: You can sudo pm-suspend. That still works. | 13:16 |
| hunger | cbr: kpowersave does as well. Every other GUI seems to be broken though. | 13:17 |
| cbr | nope, sudo pm-suspend doesnt work | 13:22 |
| cbr | the screen goes black as if it's going to suspend | 13:22 |
| cbr | but then suddenly the picture reappears | 13:22 |
| cbr | i dont remember updating anything power-management related | 13:25 |
| cbr | ugh.. | 13:25 |
| cbr | this is rather frustrating.. will power management ever work fine on linux | 13:27 |
| hunger | cbr: Apparently ubuntu policy requires two power managment breakages per release. | 13:27 |
| jtechidna | lol | 13:28 |
| ScottK | jtechidna: Three for Kubuntu. | 13:28 |
| cbr | i dont know, my mum has ubuntu on her laptop, seemed to look well, i think kde is the problem child | 13:28 |
| cbr | *seemed to work well | 13:29 |
| hunger | cbr: Well, ubuntu and kde do not really go well together IMHO. ubutu has a very gnomish base:-( | 13:29 |
| jtechidna | of course :P | 13:29 |
| cbr | well, i'd use debian but debian doesnt ship new kde packages as fast as kubuntu.. or puts them in the experimental repo which is somewhat annoying to use | 13:30 |
| cbr | altogether, debian gave me a more solid experience though.. maybe not shipping the new stuff, is why :p | 13:31 |
| cbr | why can't we have the good from both worlds | 13:31 |
| hunger | cbr: Yeap, I've been entertaining the thought of heading back to debian for a while now. | 13:31 |
| hunger | cbr: Just don't find the time to actually pull it through... | 13:31 |
| cbr | it sucks that no major distribution is behind kde | 13:34 |
| cbr | that would probably move things in the right direction a lot faster | 13:34 |
| cbr | but i guess i can understand their motives as well.. they need a stable system, nothing too fancy, kind of like winxp.. something they can develop for and not worry that their code will be redundant in two years time | 13:35 |
| cbr | and gnome is good for that | 13:35 |
| ScottK-laptop | cbr: Which release are you one? | 13:35 |
| hunger | cbr: Sucks much more that the gnomes come up with lots of really bad interfaces all the time:-( | 13:35 |
| cbr | ScottK-laptop: jaunty | 13:35 |
| hunger | cbr: network-manager, pulseaudio and other useless stuff. | 13:36 |
| ScottK-laptop | cbr: It's really not actually expected to work very well at the moment. If you want working, run Intrepid (or even Hardy). | 13:36 |
| hunger | ScottK-laptop: Those are no fun and all the packages are outdated anyway:-( | 13:36 |
| cbr | yeah, if i'd want something stable and productive, i'd use windows :p | 13:36 |
| cbr | i want the action :p | 13:36 |
| hunger | Apropos pulseaudio: Why is that started in kubuntu? Breaks phonon here... | 13:37 |
| cbr | dunno, network-manager seems to Just Work (tm) | 13:37 |
| cbr | they sodomized the kde interface though | 13:37 |
| cbr | so i'm using the gnome systray applet | 13:37 |
| cbr | which works fine | 13:37 |
| ScottK-laptop | hunger: You can't have it both bleeding edge and stable. | 13:38 |
| hunger | cbr: nm has really *CRAPPY* interfaces. | 13:38 |
| cbr | you mean the user interface? | 13:38 |
| hunger | cbr: No, the programmers interfaces. D-Bus in that case. | 13:38 |
| cbr | oh, i don't care much for that :p | 13:38 |
| cbr | the gui is nice | 13:38 |
| hunger | ScottK-laptop: I am not complaining too loudly about something breaking. Just told cbr how I work around the problem he has as well. | 13:39 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. | 13:39 |
| hunger | cbr: Well, it is so ugly that the kde guys wrote solid so they had not to deal with it... | 13:39 |
| hunger | cbr: actually that is only part of the reason for solid of course. | 13:40 |
| cbr | uhuh.. but nothing uses solid to control it.. the only useful thing that has come of the solid nm thingy is that apps are aware when the network is up | 13:40 |
| cbr | but there's no control interface | 13:40 |
| cbr | which is kind of the point of nm | 13:40 |
| jtechidna | that's because suse doesn't need a nm interface until they release the next opensuse :P | 13:41 |
| jtechidna | (a nm interface for KDE4) | 13:41 |
| jtechidna | oh well, at least one will be ready for Jaunty | 13:41 |
| hunger | Well, there is a plasmoid in kde 4.2 for solid/nm AFAIK. | 13:42 |
| cbr | that's a bit sad if you start to think about it.. KDE4 was released in jan 2008, will it be functional by jan 2009? i wouldn't bet money on it? by jan 2010? i would bet like 5 bucks on it but then it has been out for 2 years already.. that's like a lifetime | 13:42 |
| cbr | not that it wasn't a welcome development and a necessary step and kde4 looks awesome an all | 13:43 |
| cbr | and* | 13:44 |
| hunger | cbr: Will would have made much better progress if NM wouldn't suck so hard:-) | 13:44 |
| hunger | cbr: NM-applet only works since it is the demo app the NM guys keep up to date IMHO. | 13:45 |
| hunger | Well, don't take me too seriously... I am stuck over my head in gnome "technology" and hate it. So my outlook is a bit negative at this time:-) | 13:45 |
| ScottK-laptop | cbr: Put it a different way ... KDE4 has been being developed for ~ 3 years and is already a big step forward. MS took 5 years to make Vista and take a step back. | 13:46 |
| ScottK-laptop | In the scheme of things, I think KDE does pretty good. | 13:46 |
| cbr | yes, but some of the developments are rather peculiar.. | 13:47 |
| cbr | for example strigi, nepomuk etc.. oh goodie, i can rank my files (dont know why i would want to do that but i can) but i can't connect to a wireless network nor control my display power management properly (up until 4.2) | 13:48 |
| ScottK-laptop | Oddly enough, both those things work pretty much fine for me. | 13:49 |
| jtechidna | to be fair that's a narrow view of the purposes of those two frameworks are. Most of what they are purposed to do still hasn't been fully implemented yet ( | 13:50 |
| jtechidna | see also: semantic desktop) | 13:50 |
| cbr | is that all the tagging stuff? | 13:50 |
| jtechidna | yeah, the base framework is there but there's not really any useful way to use the info | 13:51 |
| jtechidna | e.g. search integration into kfind or semantic browsing in dolphin | 13:51 |
| cbr | that's another thing i dont get.. i know all the computer scientists like to play around with tags, rdf etc.. but i have never ever seen anybody actually tag their files.. except on youtube or flickr where it makes sense | 13:51 |
| xerosis | when I have a load of papers to read, I tag them as 'read' after I'm done, so at least one person does :) | 13:52 |
| jtechidna | it is also assuming that developers are absolutely fungible resources. The nepomuk dev is working on grant money to develop semantic/rdf technologies, and is by no means an expert in developing network manager type interfaces (not that he couldn't be if he wanted to) | 13:53 |
| jtechidna | he is pursuing his hobby/job by developing nepomuk, and he probably wouldn't be working on nm even if he wasn't working on nepomuk | 13:53 |
| jtechidna | though he probably would be working on the KDE4 k3b port :P | 13:54 |
| jtechidna | (since he's k3b's author also) | 13:54 |
| jtechidna | So yes, it's a bit frustrating when some areas are overlooked, but there's no simple solution or cause for blame | 13:55 |
| cbr | yeah, a lot of thought was put to get the frameworks there.. but the apps on them were kind of completely forgotten | 13:55 |
| cbr | not to blame the developers who did hard work, but that's how it is, there's no denying that | 13:56 |
| cbr | and i really like kde, so that saddens me a bit | 13:56 |
| ScottK-laptop | cbr: You're judging the building half built and complaining the top half isn't built yet. | 13:57 |
| cbr | hey, i was handed an apartment in that building and allowed to move in | 13:59 |
| cbr | aren't i kind of entitled then? :p | 13:59 |
| jtechidna | are you paying rent? :P | 13:59 |
| cbr | no, does that mean instead of stairs i should be happy with a nailon rope? ;) | 14:00 |
| ScottK-laptop | cbr: It means if you don't like the nylon rope you shouldn't have moved in. | 14:00 |
| cbr | *nylon probably | 14:00 |
| ScottK-laptop | KDE3 is around and still quite usable. | 14:00 |
| ScottK-laptop | We updated Kubuntu Hardy to 3.5.10 post release exactly because not everyone will want to be on KDE4 yet. | 14:01 |
| cbr | but my real estate agent said it was ready so i was happy to move into a modern house from the rather tasteless one i was living in | 14:01 |
| ScottK-laptop | We rather explicitly said KDE 4 is not for everyone yet, so I don't buy that analogy. | 14:02 |
| cbr | well, to be honest, that was said after the first disappointing reviews of the soon-to-be-released 4.0 were coming out.. and nobody said that about 4.1 | 14:04 |
| cbr | i'm not blaming again, i just feel like arguing at the moment :p | 14:04 |
| ScottK-laptop | cbr: I disagree. | 14:07 |
| ScottK-laptop | cbr: Our release announcement explicitly says you may not want to upgrade: http://www.kubuntu.org/month/2008/10 | 14:08 |
| cbr | yeah, i know kubuntu did, i was talking about upstream | 14:09 |
| cbr | kubuntu made the best of the situation, i imagine | 14:09 |
| ScottK-laptop | Unless you're installing from their tarballs, I don't think that's really relevant. | 14:09 |
| cbr | i tend to think of distributions as binary repositories.. the thought of them actually being separate OSes with release cycles etc is kind of strange to me | 14:11 |
| ScottK-laptop | Well we do a lot of integration work here that gives a more polished product. | 14:12 |
| cbr | maybe that's because i started off with gentoo and that pretty much didnt have releases, they were basically just snapshots of the current tree.. i'm a spoilt child :p | 14:12 |
| cbr | anyway, i'm hungry, i hope the shop has some of that delicious tuna salad | 14:13 |
| cbr | bye | 14:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | So the bottom line of that conversation was, "Like wow, you guys actually do stuff"? | 14:19 |
| directhex | i think it was "why isn't jaunty released yet?" | 14:22 |
| ScottK-laptop | I want the very latest and I want it to be polished, stable, and complete. | 14:25 |
| directhex | i blame google | 14:26 |
| directhex | they broke the meaning of the word "beta", causing people to expect pre-release code to be complete & polished | 14:27 |
| jtechidna | I think we're very lucky that KDE3 got to the point where an svn snapshot could be considered polished, stable, and complete in the first place | 14:27 |
| ScottK-laptop | I recall about 10 years ago being in a meeting where we were reviewing the status of a program. | 14:32 |
| ScottK-laptop | I mentioned to the program manager that there is an old program management saying, "Better, cheaper, faster: Pick two" and I thought he just had (cheaper, faster). | 14:33 |
| ScottK-laptop | He told me that no, he'd figured out how to do all three. | 14:33 |
| ScottK-laptop | About a year later the program was cancelled because there was no way it could meet its objectives. | 14:33 |
| jtechidna | Heh, | 14:35 |
| seele | Riddell: what was i pinging pinotree for again? | 14:36 |
| ScottK-laptop | jtechidna: Got time to look at a Cmake problem for me? | 15:01 |
| ScottK-laptop | If you do, please grab http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/k/kdenlive/kdenlive_0.7-0.0.dsc (You'll have to adjust the libavcodec-dev and libavformat-dev versions for our ffmpeg versioning) and tell me why it can't find MLT? | 15:03 |
| ScottK-laptop | Good morning NCommander. | 15:03 |
| NCommander | Morning Scottk | 15:04 |
| * NCommander is dry from yesterday! | 15:04 | |
| ScottK-laptop | Got time for a bit of revu hackery? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/?archive=4208 | 15:04 |
| NCommander | sure | 15:04 |
| NCommander | REVU just gave me a traceback ... | 15:04 |
| ScottK-laptop | Right. That's the problem. | 15:05 |
| NCommander | Oh, I thought it required reviewing | 15:05 |
| NCommander | I don't have a REVU installation locally | 15:05 |
| ScottK-laptop | Well it's apparently broken'ish and RainCT isn't around, so I'm looking at you. | 15:06 |
| * ScottK-laptop gets more coffee .... | 15:06 | |
| * hunger hates debugging kparts. | 15:11 | |
| seele | coffee.. | 15:11 |
| Riddell | seele: okular window opens in alternate sizes | 15:15 |
| seele | Riddell: kde4 beta? | 15:15 |
| Riddell | yes | 15:16 |
| seele | beta 1 or beta 2? | 15:16 |
| Riddell | beta 1 | 15:16 |
| Riddell | worth checking on a computer that isn't me though | 15:16 |
| seele | hmm.. tonio has it installed, we can look on it | 15:16 |
| seele | i can't risk running beta on my work laptop.. i wish there was a way to create an additional kde installation like neon | 15:17 |
| Riddell | chroot | 15:17 |
| seele | what's that? | 15:18 |
| hunger | seele: chroot moves / into some subdir. | 15:19 |
| hunger | seele: You can install e.g. a new ubuntu with kde 4.2 into /home/test and then chroot into that dir. | 15:20 |
| seele | waiting until i get home and use my test machine sounds easier | 15:20 |
| hunger | seele: tse, tse, tse. All those young people don't know their unix anymore and don't want to learn it either;-) | 15:21 |
| rgreening | seele, do you use vm's? as you can install a test image into a vm via virtualbox (its quite easy) | 15:22 |
| hunger | rgreening: Why a VM when a chroot is enough? VMs are much slower. | 15:23 |
| seele | rgreening: ah, yeah.. i guess i can do that.. can you install just from an iso file isntead of burning it to CD? | 15:23 |
| seele | hunger: because clicking VirtualBox is easier than sysasmin black magic | 15:24 |
| rgreening | hunger: vm isn't actually that much slower, and allows saving states to test and rollback, etc | 15:24 |
| seele | *sysadmin | 15:24 |
| rgreening | seele: yes | 15:24 |
| hunger | seele: Yes, you can ask virtualbox to mount a iso image and to present it as a CD. | 15:24 |
| * rgreening likes voodoo black magic and black magic chocolates | 15:25 | |
| hunger | rgreening: snapshots are indeed a good reason to prefer VMs:-) | 15:25 |
| rgreening | :P | 15:25 |
| hunger | rgreening: Of course you can do the same at least on FS level with a bit of LVM magic for chroots:-) | 15:26 |
| rgreening | hunger: if you have lots of time to waste | 15:26 |
| ScottK | But keep in mind you're talking to a usability engineer, not a professional sysadmin. | 15:26 |
| * rgreening likes quick and simple | 15:27 | |
| hunger | ScottK: Actually most professional sysadmins I know don't know how to do LVM snapshots either:-( | 15:27 |
| ScottK | rgreening: Would you do me a favor and go through https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru/+bugs?field.bug_reporter=jr and tag them all verification-done instead of verification needed? | 15:29 |
| ScottK | rgreening: Since I did the 'works for me' comment, I think someone else should tag them. | 15:29 |
| ScottK | Once that's done, I'll lean on pitti to copy them to -updates. | 15:29 |
| * rgreening looks | 15:30 | |
| * seele packs up and heads to breakfast | 15:31 | |
| jjesse-dell9 | MM BREAKFAST | 15:31 |
| jjesse-dell9 | sorry for the caps | 15:31 |
| rgreening | ScottK: you mean update to Fix Committed? in the status? | 15:31 |
| ScottK | rgreening: No. Change the tag from verification-needed to verification-done. | 15:32 |
| rgreening | hmm... I dont see where to change the tag. | 15:32 |
| ScottK | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeaccessibility/+bug/299498/+edit | 15:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 299498 in kdeaccessibility "4.1.3 SRU" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 15:32 |
| ScottK | Click where it says Update description/tags right below the description. | 15:33 |
| rgreening | ah.. now I see | 15:33 |
| * ScottK notes that he's filed bugs about that being obscure. | 15:34 | |
| rgreening | ScottK: I'll take care of it | 15:34 |
| rgreening | yes, it is obscure | 15:34 |
| ScottK | rgreening: Thanks. Let me know when you're done and I'll chase after pitti. | 15:34 |
| * rgreening off for food | 15:34 | |
| rgreening | ScottK: np | 15:34 |
| * Jucato powerpokes Hobbsee, jjesse-dell9, and nixternal >:) | 15:37 | |
| sikor_sxe | hello, anyone knows where to find a kde4 python api description? | 15:38 |
| Jucato | oh wait, sorry Hobbsee, you shoujld be asleep :P | 15:38 |
| Riddell | sikor_sxe: api.kde.org | 15:38 |
| sikor_sxe | Riddell: well, that's the c++ api :/ | 15:39 |
| sikor_sxe | Riddell: ahh | 15:40 |
| sikor_sxe | found it, thx | 15:40 |
| sikor_sxe | i have problems connecting a kio::job's signal with a slot in python | 15:56 |
| sikor_sxe | http://pastebin.com/m1f8f4df1 | 15:56 |
| sikor_sxe | what could be missing | 15:58 |
| ScottK | sikor_sxe: How about http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/software/pykde/intro | 15:58 |
| ScottK | See the links on that page. | 15:58 |
| sikor_sxe | i know the page, it does not cover kde tho | 15:59 |
| sikor_sxe | kde4 | 15:59 |
| ScottK | Right. Sorry. Just KDE3 there. | 15:59 |
| * jtechidna was at the dentist's office | 16:00 | |
| * Jucato sees clones and waves :) | 16:00 | |
| jtechidna | ScottK: I can't take a look at it for a while, I'm on a Fedora machine atm | 16:00 |
| jtechidna | Sysinfo for 'lockjaw': Linux 2.6.22.5-76.fc7 running KDE 3.5.7-21.fc7 Fedora, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz at 1600 MHz (3190 bogomips), HD: 72/145GB, RAM: 1235/1264MB, 137 proc's, 2.44h up | 16:01 |
| seele | Nightrose: ping | 17:00 |
| tyfon | hmm since 8.10 the stuff installed via build-dep is put on the autoremove list | 17:02 |
| nixternal | Riddell and seele: it has been requested that I let you both know that you need to do an interview...I finished mine, now it is your turn! | 17:06 |
| seele | Nightrose: hmm? | 17:07 |
| seele | er.. | 17:08 |
| seele | nixternal: hmm? | 17:08 |
| Riddell | nixternal: doc team needed in albor | 17:08 |
| rgreening | seele: my flight is 10PM, and wondering if 7:30 - 7:45 pickup time is appropriate fore schedule super shuttle | 17:11 |
| seele | rgreening: sure.. fine with me | 17:12 |
| rgreening | k | 17:13 |
| seele | is that going to be enough time for you? | 17:14 |
| rgreening | seele, booked and confirmed for 7-7:15PM Friday. | 17:25 |
| nixternal | Riddell: on my way over to albor now | 17:25 |
| Riddell | talk to evan if he's still there | 17:25 |
| seele | rgreening: kk, sounds good | 17:26 |
| rgreening | yeah, hes still here | 17:26 |
| jpds | rgreening: Are you leaving Sunday? | 17:26 |
| * Riddell spots "Make Rosetta attractive for upstreams", would a lynch mob be un-quakerly? | 17:26 | |
| * seele raises an eyebrow | 17:27 | |
| jtechidna | upstreams want to lynch us for using rosetta ourselves | 17:29 |
| Riddell | exactly | 17:29 |
| jtechidna | All we need now is a track of every single KDe developer laughing their asses off | 17:30 |
| jpds | rgreening: Nevermind, should have read that better. | 17:33 |
| Nightrose | seele: pong | 17:43 |
| Nightrose | seele: having dinner now - back in an hour or so | 17:47 |
| seele | Riddell: talking about font config and theyre asking me questions about what kde does.. dunno if you should be here instead :P | 17:52 |
| Riddell | seele: kcmshell4 fonts | 17:54 |
| nixternal | for being Google, their public wireless stinks! | 17:54 |
| Riddell | that's deliberate | 17:54 |
| seele | Nightrose: ah.. i was asking if you know about how to fix the kickoff menu in neon it's empty | 17:54 |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: mvo is hoping for a Kubuntu person in foundations to talk automatic codec install. | 17:55 |
| seele | Riddell: uhm.. | 17:55 |
| Riddell | everyone wants me | 17:55 |
| * seele tries to pay attention | 17:55 | |
| ScottK-laptop | Send rgreening. | 17:56 |
| apachelogger | kde rev 895766 | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | ubottu: bot!!! | 17:58 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about bot!!! | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | stdin: the revision stuff is b0rked :( | 17:59 |
| jtechidna | aha, so that's what the problem with iPod support was | 18:05 |
| rgreening | ScottK: when I update the tag, should I add a comment? | 18:05 |
| nixternal | always | 18:05 |
| rgreening | nixternal: that directed to me? | 18:06 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: Make some generic comment about it being verified. | 18:06 |
| rgreening | kk | 18:06 |
| ScottK-laptop | Try to make it at least slightly different from mine. | 18:06 |
| nixternal | rgreening: yes | 18:07 |
| Hobbsee | !vistalover | 18:12 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about vistalover | 18:12 |
| Hobbsee | !visternal | 18:12 |
| ubottu | Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! | 18:12 |
| Hobbsee | he's back to using KDE, too... | 18:12 |
| ScottK-laptop | Is his month of purgatory over? | 18:12 |
| nixternal | I HAVE ALWAYS USED KDE!!! | 18:13 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK-laptop: no, it seems he's violated it. | 18:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | You only react so strongly because it's true. | 18:13 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: you are sitting next to me, talking vista trash, yet you are stickless...I think that is even scarrier since I think you could fit inside of one of my shoes :p | 18:13 |
| Hobbsee | no, my stick is just hidden.... | 18:14 |
| Hobbsee | !vistalover is <alias> nixternal | 18:14 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that, Hobbsee | 18:14 |
| nixternal | oh man | 18:14 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 18:14 |
| * ScottK-laptop tries. | 18:14 | |
| ScottK-laptop | nixternal. | 18:14 |
| ScottK-laptop | !nixternal | 18:15 |
| ubottu | Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! | 18:15 |
| * ScottK-laptop was hoping she'd aranged it to go off every time his nick was mentioned. | 18:15 | |
| jtechidna | ha | 18:15 |
| nixternal | crimsun: when I come in to MD/DC in the next month or so, remind me not to let ScottK-laptop know :p | 18:15 |
| Hobbsee | now there's an idea... | 18:15 |
| seele | nixternal: youre coming to visit? whoo | 18:16 |
| seele | nixternal: why the hell are you coming when it's cold? | 18:16 |
| nixternal | ya, probably spend a few days out east | 18:16 |
| ScottK-laptop | seele: He's in Chicago, so it's warmer here. | 18:16 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 18:16 |
| nixternal | ScottK-laptop: actually we found out DC was colder than Chicago earlier this week | 18:16 |
| seele | ScottK-laptop: it was warmer there last week :) | 18:16 |
| nixternal | though we have over a foot of snow now | 18:16 |
| seele | yeah.. you win | 18:16 |
| ScottK-laptop | Rain here today. | 18:17 |
| seele | Riddell: so theyre talking about removing the fontselector defaults and requiring the user to config hinting, etc. | 18:17 |
| seele | because i guess there is a bug they cant find and they have users complaining about the defaults | 18:17 |
| seele | there is also a problem with firefox in gnome because gnome uses pango and ff uses fontselector and there is some bug they couldnt find that changes the hinting in firefox | 18:18 |
| Riddell | what do you mean by fontselector defaults? | 18:19 |
| nixternal | seele: funny you say that...with my gnome desktop at home, I have to admit, the fonts really suck...I totally love my font control in KDE 4...that is one thing I get the most compliments on at work actually...the KDE 4 fonts looking secksi | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | uhhh | 18:19 |
| seele | Riddell: i guess there are some default set for the different types of hinting and stuff? | 18:19 |
| seele | Riddell: this is why you should have been here :P | 18:19 |
| jtechidna | Qt4 font hinting is supposed to be broken :P | 18:19 |
| jtechidna | (and fixed for Qt 4.5 or so) | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: please tell cprov that a "delete all packages" feature would be very appreciated for PPAs, makes loads of sense for updates-testing | 18:20 |
| tyfon | compared to windows fonts on my laptop, qt is doing excelent ;) | 18:20 |
| tyfon | i get rainbow effect in windows | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | <3 rainbow | 18:20 |
| jtechidna | Qt font hinting is "broken" in that it always uses full hinting no matter what the user has segt | 18:21 |
| jtechidna | *set | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | now, why would someone not want font hinting? | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | hm | 18:21 |
| Riddell | doesn't work so well for CJK | 18:22 |
| * apachelogger watches the build queue | 18:22 | |
| jtechidna | some might want medium or slight hinting rather than full hinting | 18:22 |
| jtechidna | you know how some people are about fonts... :P | 18:23 |
| jtechidna | (e.g. every linux-trolling mac-fan on digg) | 18:23 |
| apachelogger | reminds me of that bug report where people claimed font rendering is bad in kpdf/okular because it looks different than it does in other pdf viewers, while it was just using a different font :P | 18:25 |
| jtechidna | hehe | 18:25 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: if my research is correct the neon issue I found yesterday ought to fix about every issue I can think of | 18:33 |
| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | essentially it makes KDE bug free ;-) | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | aloha _Groo_ | 18:33 |
| _Groo_ | heya apachelogger | 18:34 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: did you see my private msgs? | 18:35 |
| * apachelogger thinks we should add a bzr branch for koffice as well | 18:36 | |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: sweet | 18:37 |
| * Nightrose hands apachelogger a cookie | 18:37 | |
| Nightrose | seele: if you still have the problem i can look for the fix for you | 18:38 |
| ScottK-laptop | Do we have a KDE4 scanning application in Main? | 18:41 |
| ScottK-laptop | It seems like that ought to be supported. | 18:41 |
| Riddell | skanlite I think it the only one | 18:41 |
| Riddell | I havn't tried it and it's not in main | 18:41 |
| ScottK-laptop | That's Universe. I just tried it and it works in Intrepid. | 18:41 |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: I think it ought to be in Main then. | 18:42 |
| seele | Nightrose: i didn't know what to do to fix it so i havent done anything :) | 18:42 |
| Riddell | ScottK-laptop: remind us during the packaging session :) | 18:45 |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: I won't be around then. | 18:45 |
| Riddell | or add to agenda on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs | 18:45 |
| ScottK-laptop | I'll add it. | 18:45 |
| apachelogger | adding it to main depends on it's quality | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | I understand that it is a fairly young application, so I wouldn't be too sure it messures up to kooka's bugs yet ;-) | 18:47 |
| ScottK-laptop | It works. | 18:47 |
| ScottK-laptop | At least for me. | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | oh, then it needs to go main | 18:47 |
| ScottK-laptop | I had to scan today for the first time since I upgraded to Intrepid and it automagically found my scanner on the network and everything. | 18:48 |
| ScottK-laptop | All I had to do was click the scan button. | 18:48 |
| Nightrose | seele: http://groups.google.com/group/amarok-neon/browse_thread/thread/52aacf37ef7b05b8 | 18:48 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: a lot better than kooka then | 18:49 |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: Added. | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | *than even | 18:49 |
| * apachelogger restarts X for new kde-nightly | 18:49 | |
| ScottK-laptop | I may have the only scanner in the world it works with, but I'm happy. | 18:49 |
| seele | Nightrose: looks like that did something. cool and thanks | 19:03 |
| Nightrose | :) yw | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | so | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | who got kde-nightly? | 19:06 |
| Riddell | seele did | 19:06 |
| seele | hmm? | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | seele: does your dolphin menubar say "No text"? | 19:07 |
| seele | yep | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | seele: please upgrade to latest revision and check whether it fixes this issue | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | closing all dolphins and reopening them should be enough | 19:12 |
| rgreening | seele: were you coming to the encrypt home dir session? | 19:16 |
| seele | rgreening: i'm required in a printing session | 19:18 |
| rgreening | kk. I'll make sure we are covered herw | 19:18 |
| rgreening | s/herw/here | 19:18 |
| jjesse | seele: how's the disscussions today? | 19:19 |
| Riddell | jjesse: docs team needed for ubiquity slideshow | 19:22 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: new qzion up http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qzion | 19:22 |
| Riddell | also qedje if you can http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qedje | 19:22 |
| jjesse | Riddell: i know evan pinged me bout being there this morning and i missed it, i will send him an email bout it | 19:22 |
| Riddell | nixternal might have turned up I'm not sure | 19:22 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I guess you pbuilt qzion? | 19:23 |
| jjesse | i'll ping evan bout it | 19:23 |
| * apachelogger is building kde4libs right now | 19:23 | |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes | 19:23 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: advocated | 19:24 |
| Riddell | yay! | 19:24 |
| apachelogger | *reviewing qedje* | 19:24 |
| jjesse | Riddell do you hae link to acadmey for 2009? | 19:24 |
| Riddell | jjesse: http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/index.php/Main_Page | 19:25 |
| jjesse | thanks | 19:25 |
| nixternal | Riddell and jjesse: I turned up and talked to evand | 19:27 |
| jjesse | nixternal: cool so you understand what is going on and what the docs team neesd to do? | 19:27 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=qedje | 19:28 |
| nixternal | jjesse: ya, it is the same thing we have talked about for like the past 2 years concerning ubiquity | 19:29 |
| nixternal | my stuff is up on the screen, so I am going to close this session out for the time being...bbiaf | 19:29 |
| jjesse | awesome :) | 19:29 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: libqedje-dev should probably depend on libeet-dev too | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: didn't look at the source, but probably :) | 19:30 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I added an advocation, so you can upload straight to ubuntu | 19:30 |
| * apachelogger continues documenting changes to neon so he can start merging | 19:31 | |
| jjesse | nixternal: we forgot to work on getting extended desktop on my mini 9, we need to do some of that magic next week or something like that | 19:31 |
| seele | jjesse: are you home already? | 19:32 |
| seele | or sitting at the airport? | 19:32 |
| seele | oh, noon right? | 19:32 |
| jjesse | sitting at iarport | 19:34 |
| jjesse | nothing here to do | 19:34 |
| jjesse | im in a relly crappy part of the airport, there is one restraunt and nothing else | 19:34 |
| jjesse | ok time to start boarding, talk to you later nixternal, Riddell and seele | 19:38 |
| Riddell | ciao | 19:38 |
| ScottK-laptop | Who wants to learn about writing MIR? | 19:54 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: How's the 4.1.3 bug tagging going? | 19:57 |
| Riddell | MIRs needed for google-gears, libmsn, qzion and qedje | 20:15 |
| Riddell | ScottK-laptop: did you have something to add to that? | 20:16 |
| ScottK-laptop | Riddell: skanlite | 20:16 |
| Riddell | oh aye | 20:16 |
| Riddell | ryanakca and apachelogger still have merges outstanding | 20:19 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: merges? | 20:21 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | 20:22 |
| apachelogger | oh dear | 20:22 |
| apachelogger | all of them require testing in KDE 4 as well | 20:23 |
| * apachelogger shudders | 20:23 | |
| nixternal | anything requiring testing makes me shudder | 20:26 |
| nixternal | haha, I love you Konversation people!!! < Ramblurr!n=rmblr@amarok/developer/Ramblurr [SendQ exceeded] | 20:27 |
| * Ramblurr uses quassel | 20:27 | |
| seele | Riddell: we should talk to the platform people and see if we can get the DISTRIB_ID to Kubuntu (says tedg) | 20:33 |
| Riddell | seele: never heard of it, do you know who to talk to specifically? | 20:36 |
| nixternal | Ramblurr: then Quassel has the same issue with Konversation...which I patched 2 years ago, but it got tossed out | 20:40 |
| Ramblurr | nixternal: what is the issue? | 20:40 |
| nixternal | I can't remember anymore...it has been a while since I last played with it | 20:41 |
| nixternal | it always happened when you would join multiple channels that had a lot of people | 20:41 |
| nixternal | oh I remember now why it was happening | 20:41 |
| nixternal | everytime you joined a channel, the client would send an auto whois to the channel | 20:42 |
| nixternal | if you that occurred on multiple channels which had a lot of people, the autowhois would cause a sendq flood | 20:42 |
| nixternal | iirc, I kind of utilized the way that Irssi was controlling their autowhois stuff and incorporated it...but one of the konvi devs wasn't game | 20:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 20:58 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: le pong | 20:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: where are you ? I've been searching for you all for 25 minutes :) | 20:58 |
| Riddell | Dia | 20:58 |
| Tonio_ | hum oki | 20:58 |
| Tonio_ | well time to eat now, so I'll probably wait for you outside :) | 20:59 |
| Riddell | ok | 20:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was at the plymouth thing..... really impressive | 20:59 |
| rgreening | ScottK: I'm done updating the SRU bugs | 21:02 |
| seele | Riddell: ted gold | 21:06 |
| cbr | the 4.2 beta1 has a bug imo | 21:28 |
| cbr | kwin goes 80% cpu | 21:28 |
| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 21:48 |
| _Groo_ | can anyone help me with sbuilder? | 21:48 |
| _Groo_ | basically i want to know how to hook the pbuilder kubuntu hooks into sbuild | 21:49 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: are you there? :) | 21:50 |
| LaserJock | anybody alive in here? :-) | 21:55 |
| ScottK | Sure | 21:56 |
| LaserJock | sorry, got distracted | 21:56 |
| LaserJock | I'm wondering if there are any Kubuntu people who are intersted in Education | 21:57 |
| LaserJock | or could become interested :-) | 21:57 |
| _Groo_ | im alive | 21:59 |
| _Groo_ | anyone here is using sbuild instead of pbuild? | 22:00 |
| LaserJock | _Groo_: I do | 22:00 |
| _Groo_ | Hi LaserJock | 22:01 |
| _Groo_ | LaserJock: can you explain to me how do i enable the pbuilder hooks into sbuild? | 22:01 |
| === Riddell_ is now known as Riddell | ||
| _Groo_ | LaserJock: apachelogger told me to download from the bzr branch so i can have the missingfiles hook | 22:02 |
| LaserJock | _Groo_: hmm, I'm not much help there, I don't use pbuilder or sbuild hooks :/ | 22:03 |
| _Groo_ | LaserJock: how do you do to make sure you dont have missing files? | 22:04 |
| LaserJock | _Groo_: I'm not sure what you mean? | 22:05 |
| _Groo_ | LaserJock: when you make a package, for instance, a new koffice2 beta 4 using the diff from beta3, how do you make sure the new package doesnt miss any files? | 22:06 |
| LaserJock | _Groo_: well, I check it | 22:07 |
| _Groo_ | LaserJock: how do you check it? | 22:07 |
| LaserJock | I'd run dpkg -c on the .debs and compare that with the old version | 22:07 |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger, rgreening, Riddell: pitti just said he'd copy 4.1.3 to intrepid-updates shortly .... | 22:08 |
| LaserJock | I don't run into that case all that often so I don't bother automating it | 22:08 |
| Riddell | ScottK-laptop: thanks, I asked him earlier in the week too so I guess we just keep poking until it happens | 22:09 |
| _Groo_ | LaserJock: but if the files are missing in the new debs (because they are new and the diff didnt contemplate them), how a simple comparison would help? | 22:09 |
| rgreening | YAY | 22:09 |
| ScottK | Did he actually say he'd do it before? | 22:09 |
| LaserJock | _Groo_: I would just have to figure out what *should* be there then | 22:10 |
| LaserJock | _Groo_: if you need to do that much I'd suggest getting ahold of apachelogger | 22:10 |
| LaserJock | as I don't have much help for you :-) | 22:10 |
| rgreening | I saw him a few minutes ago, he said "hey, your the guy with all the KDE updates... so I guess changing the status got his attention :) | 22:10 |
| rgreening | ScottK ^ | 22:11 |
| _Groo_ | LaserJock: well thats what the pbuild missingfiles hook is suposed to do.. but since i use dbuild i dont know how to do it | 22:11 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 22:11 |
| LaserJock | _Groo_: I'd look online and read about sbuild hooks, I know I've seen some helpful stuff before | 22:12 |
| _Groo_ | LaserJock: ok, thanks | 22:12 |
| * apachelogger just fell asleep | 22:13 | |
| apachelogger | way too awful | 22:13 |
| apachelogger | _Groo_: make -f debian/rules list-missing | 22:13 |
| apachelogger | the list-missing hook is meant to streamline the build process, but since you debuild anyway you can as well check for not installed files outside the chroot | 22:14 |
| _Groo_ | ok, so i make the build dir, run a debuild -S, then a schroot file.dsc and finally a make -f debian/rules list-missing? | 22:14 |
| LaserJock | so when is 4.2 set to be released? | 22:14 |
| _Groo_ | and if it finds any missing files, i change the debian/.install and do all over? | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | run debuild with -nc | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | that way it will not have to rebuild the whole stuff | 22:16 |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: yes i know, but im going to run schroot only in the "final" round? | 22:18 |
| apachelogger | that is how I would do it | 22:18 |
| apachelogger | to ensure dependencies are correct and stuff | 22:19 |
| ScottK | LaserJock: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule | 22:44 |
| Hobbsee | so, i've got a kde4 cd now. | 22:46 |
| stdin | kde rev 895766 | 22:48 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=895766&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 895766 | Ipod support does not depend on Gdk, just cover support should. ~lart xevix CCBUG:177472 | 22:48 |
| stdin | apachelogger: it wasn't loaded for some reason | 22:48 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: you mean you aren't using Vista? | 22:50 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: so like 1.5 months left. wow, it should really rock. I thought Beta 1 look pretty ready to go | 22:53 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: no, i don't use vista. i've never had the misfortune of using vista. | 22:53 |
| Hobbsee | where's my free money? | 22:54 |
| ScottK | I think the best thing about Vista is that once friends/family upgrade, I can't provide tech support anymore. | 22:56 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 22:58 |
| nixternal | lol, I do the same ScottK | 22:58 |
| nixternal | whoa, it is Mr. Jordan himself! | 22:58 |
| * LaserJock bows | 22:59 | |
| nixternal | LaserJock: have you listened to any of the community tracks? | 22:59 |
| LaserJock | little bit, not today though, busy gettin' graduated | 22:59 |
| LaserJock | I did some 'denting yesterday | 22:59 |
| nixternal | bbiaf...I will tell you what I covered...you will love it dude | 23:01 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 23:01 |
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