[00:39] reed, are you there? [00:39] fta: yep [00:39] in a meeting? [00:39] yes, but I can leave [00:39] I'm in the p2v meeting [00:40] in server room [00:41] fta: what do you need? [00:46] nothing, just wondered were you were. [00:46] getting tired [00:54] reed: so when can we go to mozillla? [00:54] reed: i think it starts at 1830 ... but we end at 1715 today [00:55] so there is a limbo time [00:55] I see no reason for us not to just go on [00:55] mconnor: any problems you see if we come early? [00:56] asac: their page says 6... talks start at 6:30 [00:56] i assume pizza or stuff we'll arrive in between [00:58] asac: 1715? looks like 1700 [00:59] reed: where do you see that? [00:59] the people just confirmed it [00:59] in the room [00:59] as in, we're wrapping up [00:59] hmm ... 1700 is when last sessions end ... i think they leave at 1715 [00:59] so yeah ... lets meet in front of 1500 in a few [01:00] I think we can go over, and I can give you all a tour [01:00] before everybody else shows up [01:01] cool [01:02] ok, I'm packing up === rzr is now known as rZr [03:38] asac: ping === rZr is now known as RzR === fta2 is now known as fta [22:46] @time los_angeles [22:46] Current time in America/Los_Angeles: December 11 2008, 14:46:56 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 3 days [23:35] http://whacked.net/2008/12/11/ubuntu-songbird-sitting-in-a-tree/ [23:36] hmm [23:36] not really matches exactly what i said ... but well [23:40] well, what are the differences for stevel's benefit? [23:42] asac: doh. i'm happy to update. what did i miss? [23:42] or get wrong :-P [23:53] stevel: i didnt say "we dont care about security in universe", but "there is no canonical commitment to do whatever is required to provide it" .... [23:53] stevel: "actually i said we care about security in universe, and hence we should see if we can loosing some stability policy constraints" [23:53] i don't think i said "we don't care about security in universe" did i? [23:53] e.g. so you can just upload latest [23:53] that's certainly not what i meant... [23:54] stevel: you said that the security can be dealt more loosely in universe [23:54] yeah, i said "but main has stricter support and security guarantees than universe does" [23:54] which is true in that we might consider to just upgrade to latest upstream version instead of doing individual backports for patches [23:54] right... that's what i understood... you're right though, my wording perhaps is phrased poorly [23:55] i'll post an addendum [23:55] stevel: yeah ... for me it sounds like that we can get songbird in universe because its ok if we stopp doing security :) ... its just that we could try to get new upstreams in given that we can reach consent internally about this ;) [23:55] stevel: thanks [23:58] asac, does this read correctly as an addendum? [23:58] Update: My wording was perhaps poor... I didn't mean to give the impression that there is not security in universe, or that security policies are somehow lax vs. main. Specifically, universe might be a better option than main because instead of having to backport individual patches to the supported-release version (as would have to happen in main), we could instead just rev to the latest Songbird release (thus shifting some of t [23:58] uh. minus the typo in maintenancefrom [23:58] :-P [23:58] stevel: right. givin that other ubuntu folks accept that xulrunner based applications are special [23:58] * stevel nods [23:59] and that we manage to find a more or reliable way to make those updates happen on a longer run ;) [23:59] yeah