[00:39] <fta> reed, are you there?
[00:39] <reed> fta: yep
[00:39] <fta> in a meeting?
[00:39] <reed> yes, but I can leave
[00:39] <reed> I'm in the p2v meeting
[00:40] <reed> in server room
[00:41] <reed> fta: what do you need?
[00:46] <fta> nothing, just wondered were you were.
[00:46] <reed> getting tired
[00:54] <asac> reed: so when can we go to mozillla?
[00:54] <asac> reed: i think it starts at 1830 ... but we end at 1715 today
[00:55] <asac> so there is a limbo time
[00:55] <reed> I see no reason for us not to just go on
[00:55] <reed> mconnor: any problems you see if we come early?
[00:56] <stevel> asac: their page says 6... talks start at 6:30
[00:56] <stevel> i assume pizza or stuff we'll arrive in between
[00:58] <reed> asac: 1715? looks like 1700
[00:59] <asac> reed: where do you see that?
[00:59] <reed> the people just confirmed it
[00:59] <reed> in the room
[00:59] <reed> as in, we're wrapping up
[00:59] <asac> hmm ... 1700 is when last sessions end ... i think they leave at 1715
[00:59] <asac> so yeah ... lets meet in front of 1500 in a few
[01:00] <reed> I think we can go over, and I can give you all a tour
[01:00] <reed> before everybody else shows up
[01:01] <asac> cool
[01:02] <reed> ok, I'm packing up
[03:38] <emgent> asac: ping
[22:46] <asac> @time los_angeles
[23:35] <reed> http://whacked.net/2008/12/11/ubuntu-songbird-sitting-in-a-tree/
[23:36] <asac> hmm
[23:36] <asac> not really matches exactly what i said ... but well
[23:40] <reed> well, what are the differences for stevel's benefit?
[23:42] <stevel> asac: doh. i'm happy to update. what did i miss?
[23:42] <stevel> or get wrong :-P
[23:53] <asac> stevel: i didnt say "we dont care about security in universe", but "there is no canonical commitment to do whatever is required to provide it" ....
[23:53] <asac> stevel: "actually i said we care about security in universe, and hence we should see if we can loosing some stability policy constraints"
[23:53] <stevel> i don't think i said "we don't care about security in universe" did i?
[23:53] <asac> e.g. so you can just upload latest
[23:53] <stevel> that's certainly not what i meant...
[23:54] <asac> stevel: you said that the security can be dealt more loosely in universe
[23:54] <stevel> yeah, i said "but main has stricter support and security guarantees than universe does"
[23:54] <asac> which is true in that we might consider to just upgrade to latest upstream version instead of doing individual backports for patches
[23:54] <stevel> right... that's what i understood... you're right though, my wording perhaps is phrased poorly
[23:55] <stevel> i'll post an addendum
[23:55] <asac> stevel: yeah ... for me it sounds like that we can get songbird in universe because its ok if we stopp doing security :) ... its just that we could try to get new upstreams in given that we can reach consent internally about this ;)
[23:55] <asac> stevel: thanks
[23:58] <stevel> asac, does this read correctly as an addendum?
[23:58] <stevel> Update: My wording was perhaps poor... I didn't mean to give the impression that there is not security in universe, or that security policies are somehow lax vs. main.  Specifically, universe might be a better option than main because instead of having to backport individual patches to the supported-release version (as would have to happen in main), we could instead just rev to the latest Songbird release (thus shifting some of t
[23:58] <stevel> uh. minus the typo in maintenancefrom
[23:58] <stevel> :-P
[23:58] <asac> stevel: right. givin that other ubuntu folks accept that xulrunner based applications are special
[23:58]  * stevel nods
[23:59] <asac> and that we manage to find a more or reliable way to make those updates happen on a longer run ;)
[23:59] <stevel> yeah