[00:27] <jjesse> evening from miniapolois
[00:28] <Jucato> morning :)
[00:28] <jjesse> evening i think
[00:29] <Jucato> well, the sun isn't coming out, so ok, I'll agree to that :)
[00:30] <Jucato> how are things going in here? :)
[00:30] <jjesse> in the airport waiting for last flight home
[00:30] <jjesse> super tired and super hungry but no time for innder
[00:30] <jjesse> dinner
[00:30] <Jucato> aw :(
[00:30] <jjesse> at least its just an hour
[00:31] <Jucato> eat something, like crackers or whatnot... just to keep you from collapsing due to hunger
[00:32] <Jucato> whooops I think that highlighted someone :D
[00:32] <jjesse> can't have crackers due to wheat allergy
[00:32] <jjesse> and i don't have any snakcs i can eat on me :(
[00:32] <Jucato> double ouch :(
[00:36] <jjesse> yay time to board l8ter g8tor
[00:36] <Jucato> bye! take care
[01:52] <_Groo_> hi/2 all..
[01:52] <_Groo_> any dev alive?
[01:52] <_Groo_> could use some help
[01:58] <_Groo_> anyone?
[04:36]  * ScottK-laptop uploads another Krusader snapshot, "because it's been a while."
[07:18] <vbgunz> I was inside #kde and had a little episode about "Windows Explorer" Vs "Konqueror" on an NTFS partition and a directory with over 5000+ files. Anyhow, I ran strace and we both think we found something that could be a bug. Can someone tell me why strace prints out over 1700 lines over 2 files? I mean this probably leads to 4,675,000 lines over a 5000 file directory... http://dpaste.com/98392/
[07:19] <vbgunz> point being, not to start a war, Windows Explorer screams like lightning in that directory and Konqueror just needs to be put out of its misery with termination. Is that paste a bug?
[07:24] <glade88> pakage gtk2-engines-qtcurve has been removed?
[07:25] <glade88> ok. that was adept not finding it :/
[07:48] <_Groo_> hey ppl anyone alive?
[07:49] <_Groo_> im having a tough problem in the launchpad builder
[07:50] <_Groo_> im building koffice-kde4 beta4 but the builder says he cant find Missing dependencies: libglpk-dev although its in universe. i already have my ppa pointing to the backport deps.. what else am i missing?
[07:50] <_Groo_> locally it build just fine, and i corrected all new files and such..
[07:51] <_Groo_> so koffice2-kde4 beta 4 is good to go, providing the ppa is able to build it :P
[08:13] <_Groo_> any dev alive?
[08:13] <_Groo_> could really use the help
[08:13] <_Groo_> !help
[08:13] <_Groo_> !cookie _Groo_
[08:14] <_Groo_> !cookie| _Groo_
[08:16] <stdin> _Groo_: why not just say what the problem is and wait patiently?
[08:18] <_Groo_> hi stdin, i already did, half an hor ago
[08:18] <_Groo_> hour
[08:18] <_Groo_> im building koffice-kde4 beta4 but the builder says he cant find Missing dependencies: libglpk-dev although its in universe. i already have my ppa pointing to the backport deps.. what else am i missing?
[08:18] <_Groo_> locally it build just fine, and i corrected all new files and such..
[08:18] <_Groo_> so koffice2-kde4 beta 4 is good to go, providing the ppa is able to build it :P
[08:19] <stdin> PPA's don't build against universe/multiverse
[08:19] <_Groo_> ah :( thats the problem then
[08:19] <stdin> fwiw, PPA questions should be in #launchpad
[08:19] <_Groo_> where can i upload it for you guys to review?
[08:19] <_Groo_> stdin: ok, noted
[08:20] <stdin> you just need to "apt-get source libglpk-dev" then create a new changelog entry with (version)~ppa1 and upload
[08:20] <stdin> that will let it build in the PPA but not need you (or your users) to download the package from your PPA if they have universe
[08:21] <_Groo_> ahh ok
[08:21] <_Groo_> and then i can notify you here so you can review it?
[08:22] <stdin> review in what way?
[08:23] <_Groo_> so you can accept it and put it into kubuntu ppa
[08:25] <_Groo_> i also have fixed the libamsn needed by kopete to suport the live msn protocol, after koffice i would like to upload the changed kdenetwork so you guys could update the kubuntu repo also
[08:25] <stdin> I'll have a look, but I won't add. at least not without a few ACKs from other devs
[08:27] <_Groo_> sure, thats the idea :)
[09:02]  * Jucato waves at stdin
[09:02] <stdin> ooh, it's Jucato
[09:03] <Jucato> how are things in Kubuntu-land? :)
[09:04] <stdin> rocKing along
[09:04] <stdin> and very shiny
[09:04] <Jucato> just wanted to drop by and spend a few moments before saying goodbye :P
[09:04] <hunger> Jucato: Where are you going?
[09:06] <Jucato> just dropping off from the Kubuntu radar
[09:06] <stdin> as long as you still use KDE, I'll forgive you
[09:07] <Jucato> of course :)
[09:07] <Jucato> I have a somewhat bigger responsibility now up there :)
[09:08] <etretyak> Jucato: a child? ;-)
[09:08] <hunger> Jucato: Well, thanks for all the stuff you did for kubuntu. I hope you have fun outside kubuntu land!
[09:08] <Jucato> anyway, my membership runs out next month, so not gonna renew
[09:08] <Jucato> etretyak: yes! KDE is my child now! :P
[09:09] <Jucato> hunger: thanks too. see you in KDE land! :)
[09:09] <Jucato> luckily/hopefully we'll still cross paths in KDE um.. "continent" :)
[09:09] <Jucato> (although I will be missing Hobbsee :P)
[09:10] <stdin> shush, she'll bring the stick!
[09:10] <hunger> Jucato: Dunno. I'm rather inactive myself wrt. KDE at this time:-(
[09:10] <Jucato> I no longer ph34r the stick. it can't reach me :)
[09:10] <Jucato> hunger: aw... :(
[09:10] <stdin> one think I've learnt, never underestimate the stick
[09:10] <Jucato> well, we all have our seasons. unfortunately we're not all like Riddell... KDE/Kubuntu all year round :)
[09:11] <Jucato> stdin: hm.. yeah... I might have forgotten that during my hiatus :)
[09:11] <stdin> well Riddell is a dedicated guy for sure
[09:11] <hunger> Jucato: Well, Riddell has the luxury of being paid for kubuntu. I'd spend more time on kde too, if I did not have to do something else to pay the rent.
[09:13] <stdin> well, we'll always have !autostart-#kubuntu to remind us of you :)
[09:27] <Jucato> stdin: hahaha! I need to update that for KDE 4 asap :)
[09:27] <stdin> you're still on KDE3?
[09:27] <stdin> how have you survived so long? :p
[09:27] <Jucato> of course not :)
[09:27] <stdin> ah, you're guide, yes
[09:27] <Jucato> but there are times that I do wish I was on it :)
[09:28] <Jucato> I can escape nvidia borkage in KDE 3 :)
[09:28] <stdin> I never want to look back now, plasma is my friend
[09:28] <Jucato> you must have a very recent/decent graphics card/driver :)
[09:28] <Jucato> but it's not only Plasma.. but Qt/KDE 4 in general
[09:28] <Jucato> s/only//
[09:29] <stdin> it's not really recent, or decent :p
[09:29] <stdin> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[09:29] <stdin> but it works fine
[09:30] <stdin> huh, ubottu you know that wasn't right
[09:31] <smarter> hey
[09:31] <Jucato> stdin: in this context, any Intel is more decent than a legacy nvidia :)
[09:32] <Jucato> I'm talking about 96.xx.xx legacy :)
[09:32] <stdin> even my intel 810 works fine with plama, gotta love open drivers :)
[09:33] <Jucato> yeah I have an i810 as well on the laptop
[11:43] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[11:43] <_Groo_> can anyone tell me if there is any way to add unvierse packages to a ppa without having to upload them one by one?
[11:44] <_Groo_> maybe adding a ppa dependencie that points to universe packages?
[11:48] <stdin> _Groo_: no, you have to do it manually
[11:48] <_Groo_> stdin: it making me nuts.. i been on this for hours now, just to make the damn koffice2 to compile in the ppa
[11:49] <_Groo_> stdin: and to think the simple act to add universe would solve everything..
[11:49] <_Groo_> oh well
[11:49] <_Groo_> trying to be a kubuntu dev isnt easy :P
[11:50] <_Groo_> !cookie| _Groo_
[11:50] <_Groo_> ahhh cookies
[12:15] <doc___> hi there
[12:18] <ScorpKing> hi everyone. where do i find the kickoff menu icon in kubuntu 8.10? i don't see any kickoff related icons on my box. i'm using kde 4.1
[12:50] <smarter> ScorpKing: it's the K icon on the left
[12:51] <smarter> ScorpKing: but please ask this type of question on #kubuntu
[12:51] <ScorpKing> smarter: i know. how can i make it pink? ;)
[12:51] <ScorpKing> smarter: yes i know. stdin just helped me there. thanks anyway
[12:52] <smarter> okay, you're welcome
[12:53] <smarter> (btw, you can actually change icons color using systemsettings --> appearance --> icons --> advanced ;))
[12:56] <stdin> is that different in 4.1.80, because you can only change the effects with 4.1.x
[13:22] <smarter> stdin: actually, one of the "effects" is the color
[13:22] <stdin> smarter: ah, I thought you meant you could change the actual icon to something else
[13:34] <apachelogger> stdin: don't be silly :P
[13:36]  * apachelogger sends stdin and smarter to the batcave
[13:40]  * Jucato plays adam west batman background music in head
[13:43]  * ScottK-laptop notes that mikearthur in #ubuntu-motu is a kdepim developer (he says).  Perhaps someone else wants to help entice him in here to help us.
[13:44] <ScottK-laptop> Do we want an announcement on kubutu.org that 4.1.3 is in intrepid-updates now?
[13:49] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: I doubt it's useful since updates is on by default anyway
[13:50]  * apachelogger merges klibido while kdepimlibs is batbuilding
[13:50] <ScottK-laptop> Good point.
[13:51] <ScottK-laptop> I guess it'd just be the PR value of announcing we're keeping people up to date.
[13:53] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so im uploading the universe packages one by one and waiting for them to build so i can finally build koffice on ppa
[13:53] <_Groo_> apachelogger: is there a good reason for universe not being accepted in ppa build? cause its a pain in the utt
[13:54] <apachelogger> it should be
[13:54] <_Groo_> stdin said otherwise
[13:55] <apachelogger> stdin: why would ppas only support building against main packages?
[13:55] <stdin> ahh, they did once
[13:55] <stdin> it was -backports I was confused with
[13:56] <stdin> which seems to be fixed on edge now
[13:56] <apachelogger> *nod*
[13:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah, learning the hard way.. i hope i get a cookie when im finally done
[13:58] <apachelogger> have to think about that :P
[13:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: what? no cookie??? :(
[13:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: small kitten? banana?
[14:00] <apachelogger> maybe a pony
[14:00] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hmm they are very nice with potatoes... maybe a good wine...
[14:01] <_Groo_> is anyone working on koffice2 beta 4?
[14:01] <_Groo_> hope not :P
[14:02] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:02]  * apachelogger notes that _Groo_ will nevar get a pony
[14:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: honey!
[14:03] <Nightrose> apachelogger: honey?!
[14:03] <Tm_T> nuts!
[14:03] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ahhh :( i was almost tasting it already :P damn...
[14:03] <_Groo_> apachelogger: what about a puppy?
[14:03] <Nightrose> _Groo_: you don't get any of them if you are going to eat them!
[14:03] <_Groo_> apachelogger: they are very tasty also... but dont have much carb
[14:04] <_Groo_> Nightrose: what else was i suposed to do with a pony???
[14:04] <Nightrose> hug it of course
[14:04] <Jucato> ride 'em
[14:04] <apachelogger> cuddles it!
[14:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: so, do we know anyone with broken kde-nightly?
[14:04] <Tm_T> and then eat it
[14:04] <Jucato> color 'em pink
[14:04] <_Groo_> can i eat it AFTER cuddling and riding?
[14:04]  * apachelogger is wondering if the run yesterday did finish at all
[14:04] <Jucato> and *then* eat 'em... raw
[14:04] <Nightrose> apachelogger: havn't heard any complains in the last 24 h
[14:05] <apachelogger> well, I'd like to hear some praise
[14:05] <Nightrose> _Groo_: NO!
[14:05] <apachelogger> or rather, if it works at all
[14:05]  * Nightrose cuddles apachelogger
[14:05] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i can give it a test later
[14:05] <apachelogger> fair enough
[14:06] <apachelogger> that would be worth a cookie I guess
[14:06] <_Groo_> apachelogger: puppy? oO
[14:06] <_Groo_> apachelogger: with sugar on top?
[14:07] <_Groo_> so if i get it straight.. trying kde-nightly which doesnt involve any effort = 1 cookie
[14:07] <apachelogger> aye
[14:08] <_Groo_> making the koffice2-kde4 beta4 package which is kicking my ... since last night = no cookie, pony or any edible mamals
[14:08] <Nightrose> right
[14:08] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:08] <_Groo_> you know, im pretty sure i read in the kubuntu membership guide lines that kubuntu devs are allowed to eat any kind of mamals
[14:09] <apachelogger> I am quite sure they are not
[14:09] <apachelogger> otherwise we should do a meeting right away
[14:10] <_Groo_> apachelogger: wait for me to get my membership so i can vote :D
[14:10] <apachelogger> only the council would vote :P
[14:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: damn...
[14:11] <apachelogger> that said, I am the councils supply of cookies... :P
[14:12] <_Groo_> -.-
[14:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: why did they disabled universe for ppas? too easy for devs? :P
[14:15] <apachelogger> _Groo_: they did not
[14:15] <apachelogger> your issue must be a different one
[14:15] <apachelogger> backports is not on by default
[14:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yes it is.
[14:16] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i mean, i enabled it
[14:16] <_Groo_> take a look: https://edge.launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive
[14:17] <_Groo_> its becoming a freaking nightmare, so close yet so far
[14:17] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you shouldn't build against intrepid by default
[14:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ???
[14:18] <apachelogger> _Groo_: if you want me to sponsor the package has to be done for jaunty
[14:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hum.. why? isnt intrepid the standard?
[14:18] <apachelogger> jaunty is development series
[14:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: just a matter of changing the changelog
[14:19] <apachelogger> _Groo_: at times it's more than that
[14:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i think im gonna cry... ok.. so need to reupload for jaunty, then universe will work?
[14:19] <apachelogger> _Groo_: universe would work for intrpid as well
[14:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yes i know, some libs mya differ
[14:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: why it isnt then?
[14:20] <apachelogger> the problem you were facing is that certain packages don't appear to be in intrepid
[14:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: sure they are, i checked with packages.ubuntu.com
[14:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: all of them..
[14:20] <apachelogger> also the required version?
[14:21] <apachelogger>   pstoedit: Depends: libpstoedit0c2a (>= 3.45-4~1padoka1) but it is not going to be installed
[14:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: that one was a bug.. im already rebyuilding it
[14:22] <apachelogger> well, I don't see another build log
[14:22] <_Groo_> apachelogger: the others where for ex: libgraphicsmagick1-dev, libeigen2-dev
[14:22] <_Groo_> apachelogger: because is building as we speak
[14:23] <_Groo_> try now
[14:23] <_Groo_> didnt know why is started compilng that one, if i deleted it and uploaded the ppa1 version :/
[14:23] <_Groo_> i mean dont know
[14:24]  * apachelogger is confused :P
[14:24] <_Groo_> two
[14:24] <_Groo_> im using launchpad beta btw
[14:24] <_Groo_> and i never had any problems with universe before yesterday...
[14:25]  * _Groo_ is very confused
[14:27] <_Groo_> well anyway, gonna wait for the intrepid build to ACTUALLY build, and then im gonna make the jaunty build.. so for you reviews it must be always jaunty then?
[14:28] <apachelogger> _Groo_: well, or whatever is development series at the time ;-)
[14:29] <apachelogger> _Groo_: in general it makes sense to ensure it also builds against $lateststable-backports (e.g. intrepid-backports) to take appropriate actions in order to get the package backported
[14:29] <apachelogger> for example prepare the backport of a new library
[14:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: it appears to me kollide is a bit slowish
[14:30] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok
[14:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: heh - probably still due to release traffic
[14:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: awful, how am I supposed to do KDE release packaging :P
[14:31] <Nightrose> :P
[14:31] <_Groo_> apachelogger: one deb at a time? XD
[14:32] <_Groo_> so beta2 is out? oO
[14:32] <apachelogger> no
[14:32] <apachelogger> we (the ninjas) have super exclusive access to the source before it gets released
[14:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its called svn -.-
[14:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: Super Vindicated Ninjas
[14:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: isnt this (*@&#*(@# suposed to work? pstoedit: Depends: libpstoedit0c2a (>= 3.45-4~ppa1) but it is not going to be installed
[14:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ive done the usual package by the book.. this ppa is starting to piss me off.. can i just send you my diff?
[14:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i already build it locally and tested it...
[14:36] <_Groo_> apachelogger: 99% chance it will work for jaunty without changes too
[14:38] <apachelogger> _Groo_: diff.gz and dsc to apachelogger@ubuntu.com
[14:41] <_Groo_> apachelogger: sent
[14:42]  * _Groo_ warns that using groo packages may cause sexual disfunction, loss of hair and wow addiction
[14:55]  * seele yawns
[15:08] <gambix> i i need a big help on a problem with glib
[15:08] <gambix> the package seem to be broken
[15:24] <_Groo_> seeya later ppl :)
[15:30] <seele> huh.. did pitti remove his blog entry about amarok?
[15:33] <Nightrose> he blogged about amarok?
[15:34]  * DaSkreech tacklehugs Nightrose then throws himself off a cliff
[15:34] <Nightrose> ohnoes!
[15:34] <seele> Nightrose: he commented on some technical stuff.. but it's removed from his blog now
[15:35] <Nightrose> hmmm
[15:35]  * DaSkreech hugs seele. Wheee System settings looks much nicer in 4.3
[15:35]  * Nightrose tries to find it
[15:35] <stdin> who want's to fix bug #307412 ?
[15:36] <DaSkreech> Is there a Kaffiene komplete with Koffee for KDE4 ?
[15:36] <Nightrose> argh!!!!!
[15:36] <Nightrose> thank god he removed that
[15:36] <Nightrose> makes him look very stupid
[15:37] <Nightrose> _very_
[16:08] <Nightrose> ScottK: Riddell: Did pitti ask you about the amarok db? if so also clarification for you: amarok does not require a db setup by the user
[16:08]  * Nightrose still shakes head about that blog entry
[16:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: bad research
[16:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: worst blog in days :(
[16:26] <Nightrose> doesn't matter if it was bad research
[16:26]  * apachelogger doesn't read blogs anymore, so he wouldn't know :P
[16:26] <Nightrose> and he said he talked to skot and Jonathan
[16:26] <Nightrose> Scott even
[16:27] <Nightrose> which makes it even worse
[16:27] <Nightrose> and worst thing: people read it and will actually believe the bs
[16:27] <Nightrose> :(
[16:27] <Nightrose> but oh well...
[16:28] <Nightrose> at least he took it offline
[16:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: write a blog puting things straight
[16:28] <Nightrose> hmmmm
[16:28] <apachelogger> planet ubuntu got almost 4k google reader subscribers
[16:29] <Nightrose> oh dear...
[16:29] <apachelogger> all those have that stuff in the reader cache
[16:29] <Nightrose> indeed
[16:29] <Nightrose> f*ck!
[16:30] <Nightrose> sounds like i need to write a blog entry
[16:30]  * Nightrose sights
[16:32]  * apachelogger huggles Nightrose and gives her a hot cup of tea
[16:32] <Nightrose> :) thx honez
[16:32] <Jucato> good luck :)
[16:33]  * Jucato waves good night
[16:33] <Nightrose> nini Jucato
[16:33] <Jucato> I didn't get the blog post from the planet. luckily Google cached it :P
[16:33]  * Nightrose should teach parley not to change her keyboard layout
[16:33] <apachelogger> now that is ugly behaviour :P
[16:34] <Nightrose> hehe nah it is what i told it to do
[16:34] <Nightrose> there is just a small bug with it
[16:34] <Nightrose> when typing in spanish vocabulary i want it to have a spanish keyboard layout so i can type the special characters
[16:35] <Nightrose> but for some reason it doesn't go back to the german layout when i close parley
[16:35] <apachelogger> I am not sure I would want a completely different layout for that
[16:36] <Nightrose> well i wanted to give it a try :P
[16:36] <Nightrose> and it is handy i have to say
[16:49] <seele> Nightrose: he heard us talking about amarok requiring mysql and no the setup does not require the user to enter a password
[16:49] <Nightrose> i see
[16:49] <seele> Nightrose: if we use kpackagekit (which we most likely will).. they wont have a chance to set it on setup, it defaults to no password
[16:50] <Nightrose> yea shouldn't be a problem then
[16:50] <Nightrose> it is completely configuration free
[16:50] <Nightrose> mysql != mysql embedded
[17:01] <Riddell> Nightrose: shaking head at which blog entry?
[17:02] <Nightrose> Riddell: pitti's - he took it offline already
[17:02] <Nightrose> it was very uninformed
[17:03] <smarter> care to paste it somewhere so we can all see it? :]
[17:03] <Nightrose> sec
[17:05] <Nightrose> http://pastebin.com/d15f31c95
[17:06]  * Nightrose would have expected better of him
[17:06] <Nightrose> but oh well
[17:06]  * Nightrose drinks tea and chills
[17:06] <Riddell> how strange
[17:07]  * rgreening yawns
[17:51] <jjesse> afternoon
[17:53] <Riddell> hi jjesse, crisis managed?
[17:53] <jjesse> Riddell yes crisis managed
[17:53] <jjesse> caleb had a fever and was consipitated which is why he wasn't sleeping
[17:54] <jjesse> loaded him up on prune juice and cleared up both problems
[17:55] <jjesse> how's the discussion todya?
[18:01] <jjesse> the discussion must be captiviating as no one is responding
[18:31] <jjesse> wow the prune juice kicked in big time for caleb
[18:36] <directhex> o_o
[18:39] <quassel251> ahem
[18:41] <Riddelll> why does quassel feel the need to include a window showing the raw IRC protocol?
[18:47] <jjesse> because
[18:48] <Nightrose> Riddell: have you seen the mail on the kubuntu list about kaffeine being removed?
[18:48] <Nightrose> Riddell: i have that here as well and since my phonon is b0rked i can't watch videos right now
[18:48] <Nightrose> :(
[19:06] <Riddell> Nightrose: yeah, working on it
[19:06] <Nightrose> ok thx
[19:06] <Nightrose> installed vlc now
[19:25] <yuriy> huh nobody here is subscribed to bug 269191
[19:25] <yuriy> but someone is working on a package, right?
[19:34] <Riddell> yuriy: yes, ScottK-laptop
[19:34] <ScottK> yuriy: I've been picking at it.
[19:38] <ScottK> Anyone wants to jump in and make it work, feel free.  For Intrepid you'll also have to backport mlt and mlt++.
[20:12] <rgreening> gobby stands for gobble up your notes
[20:29] <ScottK> Having read nixternal's blog post ...  What IRC client are we shipping?
[20:29] <Riddell> yes
[20:30] <ScottK> Yes we are shipping one, but we don't know what it is yet?
[20:31] <Riddell> no resolution yet
[20:35] <nixternal> ScottK: read the comment in that post, as it will answer that
[20:35]  * smarter votes for Quassel :]
[20:36] <nixternal> if k3b comes out with a kde4 release we can use, then it just leaves konvi as the only KDE 3 app, and trying to rid ourselves of that would mean we would lose konvi on the cd, but it would still be available in the archive
[20:36] <smarter> do we have a replacement for knetworkmanager?
[20:37] <nixternal> smarter: nope, but we didn't get to see tonio show off the knetworkmangler kde4 version...pretty pimp but far from perfect
[20:37] <ScottK-laptop> Well if IRC is the primary means of getting end user support, I'd think we should ship an IRC client in the default install....
[20:38] <nixternal> we will probably utilize the kubuntu-users mailing list as the primary in the future, as some complaints from new users is that the main support is on IRC, which they are uncomfortable with
[20:38] <directhex> people complaining because there's not *enough* mailing listage?
[20:39]  * smarter is more confortable with IRC than ml :P
[20:40] <nixternal> smarter: as I am as well, but unfortunately being a fairly substantial community distribution, we have to listen to the users....if it is that much of a worry that we have IRC, I suggest people start helping Sho_ get it ported and working in KDE 4
[20:41] <seele> mailing lists are much more commonplace than IRC
[20:41] <smarter> ...or we switch to Quassel :p
[20:41] <nixternal> smarter: yes, the IRC client that connects to localhost by default instead of a real IRC server
[20:41] <nixternal> I say screw it, and we ship Irssi
[20:42] <smarter> nixternal: and we remove X
[20:42] <nixternal> oh man, that would rock!
[20:43] <nixternal> everyone complaining about their ati cards...get rid of x and ati cards work perfectly :)
[20:43] <smarter> hehe
[20:43] <smarter> they will complain about framebuffer drivers not working at full speed :p
[20:43]  * directhex locks up nixternal's framebuffer console
[20:43] <nixternal> I haven't locked that up in a super long time
[20:43]  * smarter remembers http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Uncyclux :]
[20:44] <directhex> uncyclopaedia is on wikia now? o_o
[20:45] <seele> ok.. am i stupid or something
[20:45] <nixternal> something
[20:45] <seele> i cant get quassel to connect
[20:45] <nixternal> seele: change localhost in quassel's settings
[20:45] <seele> added a connection.. put irc.freenode.net in hostname.. port 6667
[20:45] <nixternal> haha, nice
[20:45] <seele> clicked ok.. it's added.. click OK and it says it didn't connect
[20:45] <seele> no other information
[20:45] <seele> so uh.. what did i do wrong?
[20:46] <smarter> on the buffer view in the list, you should have Freenode, click on it, then on buffer state and see if it's trying to connect, if not, right click on freenode --> connect
[20:46] <smarter> also, the version of quassel in Kubuntu 8.10 is a bit outdated
[20:47] <seele> no.. its not in that list
[20:47] <seele> oh wait
[20:47] <seele> what's quassel core?
[20:47] <smarter> quassel has two parts
[20:47] <smarter> quasselcore and quasselclient
[20:47] <smarter> the client connects to the core
[20:48] <seele> i just apt-get install quassel and typed quassel in krunner
[20:48] <smarter> this allow to have a core on a remote system, so that you can stay connected on the net
[20:48] <seele> is that the client or core?
[20:48] <smarter> none :p
[20:48] <Nightrose> seele: that is the standalone package that has both
[20:48] <smarter> this is a version with both client and core built in the same exe
[20:48] <smarter> for those who don't have a server
[20:49] <smarter> (thought it's also handy to stay connected when you reboot X)
[20:49] <seele> ok.. so how do i get to the client? i clicked the Quassel icon
[20:49] <Nightrose> seele: if you have a server with a core somewhere like i do you only need to install the client and can save some discspace that way
[20:49] <seele> gah
[20:49] <Nightrose> ?
[20:51] <seele> ok.. so i installed quassel-client, opened it.. put irc.freenode.net 6667 and it still wont connect
[20:51] <Nightrose> where did you put it? in the connect dialog at the beginning?
[20:51] <seele> why does it still say quassel core?  i apt-get removed quassel and installed quassel-client
[20:51] <seele> yes.. the first dialog
[20:52] <Nightrose> that one is only for connecting to the server where your core is running
[20:52] <seele> that's stupid
[20:52] <Nightrose> (yes usability of quassel is a nightmare still)
[20:52] <seele> and we want to ship this?
[20:52] <Nightrose> i don't think it is ready for that yet
[20:52] <Nightrose> i am trying to push them in the right direction from time to time but it needs someone with more time and knowledge to really get it perfect
[20:53] <seele> ok.. so.. hmm
[20:53] <seele> where do i add an irc network?  File -> Networks gave me a dialog that was completely disabled
[20:53] <Nightrose> are you running the client only now? without a core?
[20:54] <Nightrose> if so that will not work
[20:54] <seele> quassel-client
[20:54] <seele> what?
[20:54] <Nightrose> install the quassel package if you just want to try it localy
[20:54] <seele> so it's not a client?
[20:54] <Nightrose> what you have is a client but it needs a core to connect to
[20:55]  * seele faceslaps
[20:55] <Nightrose> if you install "quassel" you get both in one
[20:55] <seele> forget this.. apt-get remove
[20:55] <Nightrose> it is kinda like irssi with screen
[20:55] <Nightrose> but with a (not yet perfect) gui
[20:56] <seele> and we expect people to use this for support reasons?
[20:56] <Nightrose> if you have suggestions on how to improve it one of their lead devs is a friend of mine - i can get you in touch with them or anyone you could recommend
[20:56] <seele> they'll need support just to install the thing
[20:56] <seele> i'd rather just get konversation ported :)
[20:56] <Nightrose> jep as I said i don't think it is ready for that
[20:57] <Nightrose> it needs a lot of work to be usable by joe-user
[20:57] <Nightrose> it works nice for me now that i know how to use it and compared to a few months ago it is already a lot better
[20:57] <smarter> if it's properly installed and configured(thought I'm not sure there is a system-wide config file?), users shouldn't have too much problems
[20:58] <Nightrose> smarter: there are still too many problems
[20:58] <ScottK-laptop> How's their security history?
[20:58] <Nightrose> very good so far afaik
[20:58] <ScottK-laptop> IIRC we patched a significant security bug right before Intrepid release.
[20:58] <ScottK-laptop> \sh took care of it, i think.
[20:58] <Nightrose> jep he is a friend of sput
[20:59] <Nightrose> one of the lead devs
[20:59] <smarter> http://www.quassel-irc.org/node/89
[20:59] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.  That's the one.
[21:00] <smarter> between 0.3.0.2 and 0.3.0.3(with the fix) ten days passed, I don't know when the bug was reported but it looks like it was quiet quickly fixed
[21:03] <ScottK-laptop> That's the reason why I asked though.  If that's the only one and they're responsive, not a big deal.
[21:08] <ScottK-laptop> I misremembered.  It was apachelogger that took care of the quassel security issue right before release.
[21:35] <jjesse> afternoon everyone :)
[21:35]  * jjesse finished christmas shopping today ;)
[21:37] <jpds> jjesse: You're back /home?
[21:37] <jjesse> jpds: yeah i had to go home early due to family emergency
[21:37] <jpds> jjesse: Ah, sorry to hear that.
[21:38] <jjesse> son wasn't sleeping due to fever, ear ache, etc and because of that wife had like 5 hours of sleep all week while i was at uds
[21:38] <jpds> :(
[21:38] <jjesse> yeah
[21:38] <jjesse> so i came home early
[21:38] <jjesse> but a lot of the stuff i cared about was already discussed which was nice
[22:33] <Riddell> Nightrose: do you know why the library amarok uses is a static library?
[22:34] <Nightrose> mysql embedded? you'd need to ask Aides about that
[22:34] <Nightrose> he is the mysql guru
[22:35] <NCommander> hey Riddell
[22:40] <Riddell> hi Nightrose
[22:40] <Riddell> hi NCommander
[22:40] <Nightrose> ;-)
[22:41] <NCommander> Riddell, I need your help on something
[22:41] <NCommander> Where are you heading after this meeting?
[22:42] <Riddell> no plans
[22:55] <seele> Riddell: did you get your tshirt?
[22:55] <Riddell> seele: nope
[22:56] <seele> hmm.. i saw the boxes under the tables but i dont know if they were empty
[22:57] <seele> nixternal is crew, you should see if he can nab you one
[22:57]  * seele pokes nixternal 
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[23:29] <glatzor> Tonio_, http://launchpad.net/~packagekit/+archive
[23:42] <Riddell> * spec for review https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyKDEPackaging
[23:44] <Riddell> Nightrose: is there a new kaffine up?  does it fix your problem?
[23:44]  * Nightrose checks
[23:44] <Riddell> i.e. it should be up, might be on your mirror
[23:45] <Nightrose> no update yet
[23:45] <Nightrose> i am using the main server i think
[23:46] <Riddell> oh grr
[23:46] <Riddell> I messed up
[23:46] <Riddell> again
[23:47] <Nightrose> heh no problem - i am probably up for another hour at least if you need me to check later
[23:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: you are in good company
[23:48]  * apachelogger just broke batbuild
[23:49]  * Nightrose hands out cookies to the b0rkers :P
[23:50] <Riddell> Nightrose: 0.8.7-1ubuntu3~intrepid2 uploaded, look out for it appearing, should be fairly fast I believe the bulidds are quiet this week
[23:50] <Nightrose> alright
[23:50] <Nightrose> thx