| mconnor | mrgh | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| mconnor | asac: barring a magic fairy making me feel better, I'm not making it today :( | 00:03 |
| mconnor | been sleeping most of the day, barely have the energy to sit up | 00:04 |
| mconnor | <-- fail | 00:04 |
| mconnor | oh, perfect timing, message people when the wifi fails... ;) | 00:11 |
| stevel | fta: http://grommit.com/gallery/v/stephen/mozilla_open_house/DSC_5480.jpg.html | 00:14 |
| mconnor | fta: if you're around, please relay to asac. I'm going to go sleep some more. | 00:15 |
| asac | mconnor: ok ... maybe see you tomorrow | 00:19 |
| asac | get better | 00:19 |
| mconnor | asac: yeah, hopefully another 12 hours of sleep will be enough :-/ | 00:20 |
| [reed] | mconnor: ok, I have IRC up on the screen, so you can participate from your hotel | 00:26 |
| [reed] | :) | 00:26 |
| mconnor | hi everybody | 00:33 |
| Ventron | mconnor: will you be here tomorrow? | 00:37 |
| mconnor | Ventron: I hope so, unless I'm even worse | 00:37 |
| Ventron | anyone remember how to dial an outside line from google? | 00:37 |
| Ventron | assuming anyone tried a phone here instead of just using all your iphones :/ | 00:39 |
| reed_mibbit | http://paste.ubuntu.com/84155/ | 01:10 |
| reed_mibbit | we're talking about data integration now... bookmarks, address book, tasks/events | 01:11 |
| mconnor | data integration in what sense? | 01:12 |
| mconnor | like, syncing to or using a system store for this? | 01:13 |
| asac | mconnor: desktop integration like: on the main screen you display the most used bookmarks /sites etc. | 01:13 |
| asac | mconnor: in the clock you display events from sunbird .... in IM clients you can read the tbird addrbook (or even display your contacts on the main desktop screen) | 01:14 |
| asac | so basically, everything you currently store in your profile and is not available for other apps should at best be storable in some backend | 01:15 |
| sayrer | interesting, we're not that far away from that | 01:15 |
| asac | sayrer: for addrbook? or bookmarks? | 01:19 |
| asac | (or events/tasks ;)) | 01:19 |
| sayrer | asac, we are storing everything in sqlite, and we have projects for server sync. desktop querying is a related wrinkle | 01:20 |
| asac | sayrer: problem with sqlite is that its locked ;) | 01:21 |
| sayrer | yep | 01:21 |
| mconnor | asac: that's because we're doing that by choice | 01:21 |
| mconnor | 8% faster! | 01:21 |
| sayrer | maybe we should make Places available over DBUS or something like that | 01:22 |
| asac | sayrer: ++ | 01:22 |
| asac | we should make a sane interface then ... not sure if running arbitrary sql commands is what we want to support through dbus | 01:22 |
| asac | sayrer: oh ... there is one problem ... if firefox isnt running the dbus isnt available ;) | 01:23 |
| sayrer | yeah, I mean expose the places API, which isn't raw sql | 01:23 |
| asac | (actually its a thing i already thought about) | 01:23 |
| sayrer | hey, we should go multi process anyway | 01:23 |
| sayrer | why not leave Places running as a daemon | 01:24 |
| sayrer | (mconnor might kill me) | 01:24 |
| asac | sayrer: if thats an option we can make an auto-activated tiny dbus service out of it | 01:24 |
| mconnor | sayrer: why me? that's dietrich's problem, not mine! | 01:25 |
| sayrer | mconnor, you make a good point | 01:25 |
| sayrer | mconnor, btw... if we leave places running as a daemon, we win on startup time | 01:26 |
| sayrer | hmm | 01:26 |
| mconnor | sayrer: guess it depends on the overhead in talking to the daemon... | 01:27 |
| sayrer | mconnor, well places is all async now | 01:27 |
| sayrer | so | 01:27 |
| sayrer | ... | 01:27 |
| asac | added one more integration thing: | 01:27 |
| mconnor | sayrer: not all... | 01:27 |
| asac | * gnome-keyring (requires async login manager) | 01:27 |
| sayrer | mconnor, ok, so there are still some bugs | 01:28 |
| sayrer | ;) | 01:28 |
| asac | i didnt add that in the first place because thats a long standing issue that was long discussed | 01:28 |
| mconnor | sayrer: it's still a million miles better :) | 01:28 |
| asac | and 1.9 login manager didnt ring this async feature unfortunately | 01:28 |
| asac | s/ring/bring/ | 01:28 |
| asac | @time los_angeles | 01:28 |
| ubottu | Current time in America/Los_Angeles: December 11 2008, 17:29:19 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 3 days | 01:28 |
| asac | more info on gnomevfs (how long): | 01:32 |
| asac | 02:15 < asac> seb128: any idea when gnomevfs is going to be dropped completely=? | 01:32 |
| asac | 02:16 < asac> or will it stay there forever? | 01:32 |
| asac | 02:16 < seb128> asac: we still have gtk1 in the archive, 15 years or so? | 01:32 |
| asac | 02:16 < seb128> asac: concerned about CD, main, or ubuntu? | 01:32 |
| asac | 02:17 < asac> seb128: mozilla wants to know how urgent its to migrate away | 01:32 |
| asac | 02:19 < seb128> asac: still 60 sources using it in main | 01:32 |
| jamesh | https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/BugzillaPlugin | 01:32 |
| asac | 02:19 < seb128> asac: I would say jaunty+1 dropping it from the CD | 01:32 |
| asac | 02:20 < seb128> asac: it'll probably be in universe for the next lts | 01:32 |
| timeless | hrm, places as a daemon could make my group happy | 01:32 |
| mconnor | timeless: clearly we can't do that | 01:38 |
| asac | ok EOS ;) .... to be continued tomorrow 9:45 | 01:49 |
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| mconnor | reed: yeah, I, uh, I am not making it. | 16:59 |
| reed | ... | 17:00 |
| * mconnor is really glad he's not flying today | 17:00 | |
| reed | sih | 17:00 |
| reed | sigh | 17:00 |
| reed | :) | 17:00 |
| reed | still sick, or what exactly? | 17:00 |
| mconnor | still sick | 17:00 |
| reed | ok... I'll try getting the phone thing working at least. | 17:00 |
| mconnor | I thought I was doing better until 5 minutes ago. :( | 17:00 |
| reed | threw up? | 17:01 |
| asac | mconnor: they have good restrooms here :) | 17:02 |
| asac | ... just kiddin', sorry to hear that. hope you get better. | 17:02 |
| mconnor | heh | 17:02 |
| mconnor | clearly I'm not hardcore enough | 17:02 |
| mconnor | I'm going to lie down some more | 17:05 |
| fta | asac, it seems tb3 has no application registered | 17:07 |
| fta | asac, that's why i have no handler for http | 17:08 |
| asac | fta: what do you mean with "no application registered"? | 17:13 |
| fta | hm, no protocol handler | 17:14 |
| fta | asac, does i work for you? | 17:17 |
| fta | it | 17:17 |
| asac | fta: no. it doesn t work | 17:24 |
| asac | fta: i think the problem is that the gnome support stuff isnt in there | 17:24 |
| fta | hm, right. i don't have gnomesupport. | 17:27 |
| reed | fta: come to Albor | 17:43 |
| asac | http://paste.ubuntu.com/84453/ | 17:53 |
| fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/84470/ | 18:27 |
| reed | fta: ask in #developers on moznet, or ping glandium? | 18:30 |
| asac | @time los_angeles | 18:37 |
| ubottu | Current time in America/Los_Angeles: December 12 2008, 10:37:50 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 3 days | 18:37 |
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| === fta2 is now known as fta | ||
| fta | stevel, i was wondering while re-reading your blog entry, where did you get the impression that songbird would ever be in main? | 19:47 |
| stevel | fta: i didn't :) i actually didn't realise there was a distinction between main vs. universe. | 19:47 |
| fta | stevel, it's not clear in your wordings then... "one of the ideas asac and I were tossing around was putting a Songbird package into universe instead of main." | 19:50 |
| fta | stevel, several people already asked me where that main thing come from | 19:51 |
| stevel | ah; it was new to me because i actually didn't know (prior to wednesday) that there was a distinction between main vs. universe. hence the "instead of" | 19:51 |
| fta | sorry, crappy wifi, did i miss something? | 19:55 |
| stevel | not beyond my "ah; it was new to me because i actually didn't know (prior to wednesday) that there was a distinction between main vs. universe. hence the "instead of" msg | 20:00 |
| stevel | i can post a follow-up noting my ignorance if that would help :) | 20:00 |
| fta | well; sort of. at least it should not confuse other people also trying to have their project in ubuntu | 20:05 |
| asac | stevel: yeah ... so universe is the place to start ... main is only for those applications that are ment to be "essential" for ubuntu | 20:13 |
| * stevel nods | 20:14 | |
| asac | stevel: so one of the guidelines is that we only have one application for each use-case in main | 20:14 |
| asac_ | reconnect | 20:16 |
| asac_ | 21:14 < asac> stevel: so one of the guidelines is that we only have one application for each use-case in main | 20:16 |
| asac_ | also there has to be a certain amount of demand to actually consider a use-case "mainable" | 20:17 |
| asac_ | one way to proof this is by being in universe and having a good popcon score | 20:17 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| asac | furter there are other requirements attached to main ... but with those two points you usually get a good feeling for it | 20:18 |
| asac | maybe also consider if there is another app in main that fullfills the same use-case that that app has to be demoted | 20:18 |
| asac | so more or less like "evoltion" ;) ... fight for the precious space on CD ... fight for the support committment from canonical and so on ;) | 20:19 |
| asac | stevel: does that help a bit? | 20:19 |
| asac | (personally i dont mind if you post a correction .... its just that folks suddenly asked us "why did songbird think that they can go to main" ... but well | 20:19 |
| asac | you are not really a ubuntu developer, so folks thinking that you know the right procedures would be wrong too | 20:20 |
| asac | @time los_angeles | 20:23 |
| ubottu | Current time in America/Los_Angeles: December 12 2008, 12:23:49 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 2 days | 20:23 |
| stevel | asac: thanks for the clarification; yeah that does help | 20:35 |
| stevel | clearly the better fix is to get people to stop reading my blog | 20:39 |
| Nafallo | asac: oh HAI! | 20:40 |
| Nafallo | asac: I can haz no wirelessscanningcache post-resume plz? | 20:40 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 20:40 |
| asac | stevel: hehe ... no ... misinofrmation is also information ;) | 20:51 |
| asac | no prob | 20:51 |
| reed | asac: fta around? | 22:55 |
| reed | he should upstream that patch! | 22:55 |
| reed | fta: upstream that patch! | 23:04 |
| reed | :( | 23:04 |
| fta | not complete | 23:05 |
| fta | hence the bzXXX | 23:05 |
| reed | thought that just meant you hadn't upstreamed it | 23:06 |
| reed | not that it was "incomplete" | 23:06 |
| fta | reed, where are you? | 23:07 |
| reed | Mozilla; coming back in just a bit | 23:07 |
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| fta | <reed> fta: upstream that patch! | 23:20 |
| fta | <reed> :( | 23:20 |
| fta | <fta> not complete | 23:20 |
| fta | <fta> hence the bzXXX | 23:20 |
| fta | <fta> reed, where are you? | 23:20 |
| reed | fta: Mozilla; coming back in just a bit | 23:22 |
| fta | ok | 23:23 |
| asac | reed: which patch? | 23:44 |
| asac | fta: ^^ ? any clueß | 23:45 |
| asac | ? | 23:45 |
| fta | mine | 23:45 |
| asac | fta: you only have one patch? | 23:46 |
| asac | ;) | 23:46 |
| asac | fta: which one? | 23:46 |
| fta | i mean, my last one in the xul branch | 23:46 |
| fta | reed saw the commit mail | 23:47 |
| asac | k | 23:47 |
| asac | saw it now | 23:47 |
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