[00:02] mrgh [00:03] asac: barring a magic fairy making me feel better, I'm not making it today :( [00:04] been sleeping most of the day, barely have the energy to sit up [00:04] <-- fail [00:11] oh, perfect timing, message people when the wifi fails... ;) [00:14] fta: http://grommit.com/gallery/v/stephen/mozilla_open_house/DSC_5480.jpg.html [00:15] fta: if you're around, please relay to asac. I'm going to go sleep some more. [00:19] mconnor: ok ... maybe see you tomorrow [00:19] get better [00:20] asac: yeah, hopefully another 12 hours of sleep will be enough :-/ [00:26] <[reed]> mconnor: ok, I have IRC up on the screen, so you can participate from your hotel [00:26] <[reed]> :) [00:33] hi everybody [00:37] mconnor: will you be here tomorrow? [00:37] Ventron: I hope so, unless I'm even worse [00:37] anyone remember how to dial an outside line from google? [00:39] assuming anyone tried a phone here instead of just using all your iphones :/ [01:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/84155/ [01:11] we're talking about data integration now... bookmarks, address book, tasks/events [01:12] data integration in what sense? [01:13] like, syncing to or using a system store for this? [01:13] mconnor: desktop integration like: on the main screen you display the most used bookmarks /sites etc. [01:14] mconnor: in the clock you display events from sunbird .... in IM clients you can read the tbird addrbook (or even display your contacts on the main desktop screen) [01:15] so basically, everything you currently store in your profile and is not available for other apps should at best be storable in some backend [01:15] interesting, we're not that far away from that [01:19] sayrer: for addrbook? or bookmarks? [01:19] (or events/tasks ;)) [01:20] asac, we are storing everything in sqlite, and we have projects for server sync. desktop querying is a related wrinkle [01:21] sayrer: problem with sqlite is that its locked ;) [01:21] yep [01:21] asac: that's because we're doing that by choice [01:21] 8% faster! [01:22] maybe we should make Places available over DBUS or something like that [01:22] sayrer: ++ [01:22] we should make a sane interface then ... not sure if running arbitrary sql commands is what we want to support through dbus [01:23] sayrer: oh ... there is one problem ... if firefox isnt running the dbus isnt available ;) [01:23] yeah, I mean expose the places API, which isn't raw sql [01:23] (actually its a thing i already thought about) [01:23] hey, we should go multi process anyway [01:24] why not leave Places running as a daemon [01:24] (mconnor might kill me) [01:24] sayrer: if thats an option we can make an auto-activated tiny dbus service out of it [01:25] sayrer: why me? that's dietrich's problem, not mine! [01:25] mconnor, you make a good point [01:26] mconnor, btw... if we leave places running as a daemon, we win on startup time [01:26] hmm [01:27] sayrer: guess it depends on the overhead in talking to the daemon... [01:27] mconnor, well places is all async now [01:27] so [01:27] ... [01:27] added one more integration thing: [01:27] sayrer: not all... [01:27] * gnome-keyring (requires async login manager) [01:28] mconnor, ok, so there are still some bugs [01:28] ;) [01:28] i didnt add that in the first place because thats a long standing issue that was long discussed [01:28] sayrer: it's still a million miles better :) [01:28] and 1.9 login manager didnt ring this async feature unfortunately [01:28] s/ring/bring/ [01:28] @time los_angeles [01:28] Current time in America/Los_Angeles: December 11 2008, 17:29:19 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 3 days [01:32] more info on gnomevfs (how long): [01:32] 02:15 < asac> seb128: any idea when gnomevfs is going to be dropped completely=? [01:32] 02:16 < asac> or will it stay there forever? [01:32] 02:16 < seb128> asac: we still have gtk1 in the archive, 15 years or so? [01:32] 02:16 < seb128> asac: concerned about CD, main, or ubuntu? [01:32] 02:17 < asac> seb128: mozilla wants to know how urgent its to migrate away [01:32] 02:19 < seb128> asac: still 60 sources using it in main [01:32] https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/BugzillaPlugin [01:32] 02:19 < seb128> asac: I would say jaunty+1 dropping it from the CD [01:32] 02:20 < seb128> asac: it'll probably be in universe for the next lts [01:32] hrm, places as a daemon could make my group happy [01:38] timeless: clearly we can't do that [01:49] ok EOS ;) .... to be continued tomorrow 9:45 === jtv2 is now known as jtv [16:59] reed: yeah, I, uh, I am not making it. [17:00] ... [17:00] * mconnor is really glad he's not flying today [17:00] sih [17:00] sigh [17:00] :) [17:00] still sick, or what exactly? [17:00] still sick [17:00] ok... I'll try getting the phone thing working at least. [17:00] I thought I was doing better until 5 minutes ago. :( [17:01] threw up? [17:02] mconnor: they have good restrooms here :) [17:02] ... just kiddin', sorry to hear that. hope you get better. [17:02] heh [17:02] clearly I'm not hardcore enough [17:05] I'm going to lie down some more [17:07] asac, it seems tb3 has no application registered [17:08] asac, that's why i have no handler for http [17:13] fta: what do you mean with "no application registered"? [17:14] hm, no protocol handler [17:17] asac, does i work for you? [17:17] it [17:24] fta: no. it doesn t work [17:24] fta: i think the problem is that the gnome support stuff isnt in there [17:27] hm, right. i don't have gnomesupport. [17:43] fta: come to Albor [17:53] http://paste.ubuntu.com/84453/ [18:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/84470/ [18:30] fta: ask in #developers on moznet, or ping glandium? [18:37] @time los_angeles [18:37] Current time in America/Los_Angeles: December 12 2008, 10:37:50 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 3 days === jdstrand_ is now known as jdstrand === fta2 is now known as fta [19:47] stevel, i was wondering while re-reading your blog entry, where did you get the impression that songbird would ever be in main? [19:47] fta: i didn't :) i actually didn't realise there was a distinction between main vs. universe. [19:50] stevel, it's not clear in your wordings then... "one of the ideas asac and I were tossing around was putting a Songbird package into universe instead of main." [19:51] stevel, several people already asked me where that main thing come from [19:51] ah; it was new to me because i actually didn't know (prior to wednesday) that there was a distinction between main vs. universe. hence the "instead of" [19:55] sorry, crappy wifi, did i miss something? [20:00] not beyond my "ah; it was new to me because i actually didn't know (prior to wednesday) that there was a distinction between main vs. universe. hence the "instead of" msg [20:00] i can post a follow-up noting my ignorance if that would help :) [20:05] well; sort of. at least it should not confuse other people also trying to have their project in ubuntu [20:13] stevel: yeah ... so universe is the place to start ... main is only for those applications that are ment to be "essential" for ubuntu [20:14] * stevel nods [20:14] stevel: so one of the guidelines is that we only have one application for each use-case in main [20:16] reconnect [20:16] 21:14 < asac> stevel: so one of the guidelines is that we only have one application for each use-case in main [20:17] also there has to be a certain amount of demand to actually consider a use-case "mainable" [20:17] one way to proof this is by being in universe and having a good popcon score === asac_ is now known as asac [20:18] furter there are other requirements attached to main ... but with those two points you usually get a good feeling for it [20:18] maybe also consider if there is another app in main that fullfills the same use-case that that app has to be demoted [20:19] so more or less like "evoltion" ;) ... fight for the precious space on CD ... fight for the support committment from canonical and so on ;) [20:19] stevel: does that help a bit? [20:19] (personally i dont mind if you post a correction .... its just that folks suddenly asked us "why did songbird think that they can go to main" ... but well [20:20] you are not really a ubuntu developer, so folks thinking that you know the right procedures would be wrong too [20:23] @time los_angeles [20:23] Current time in America/Los_Angeles: December 12 2008, 12:23:49 - Next meeting: LoCo Council in 2 days [20:35] asac: thanks for the clarification; yeah that does help [20:39] clearly the better fix is to get people to stop reading my blog [20:40] asac: oh HAI! [20:40] asac: I can haz no wirelessscanningcache post-resume plz? [20:40] :-) [20:51] stevel: hehe ... no ... misinofrmation is also information ;) [20:51] no prob [22:55] asac: fta around? [22:55] he should upstream that patch! [23:04] fta: upstream that patch! [23:04] :( [23:05] not complete [23:05] hence the bzXXX [23:06] thought that just meant you hadn't upstreamed it [23:06] not that it was "incomplete" [23:07] reed, where are you? [23:07] Mozilla; coming back in just a bit === fta2 is now known as fta [23:20] fta: upstream that patch! [23:20] :( [23:20] not complete [23:20] hence the bzXXX [23:20] reed, where are you? [23:22] fta: Mozilla; coming back in just a bit [23:23] ok [23:44] reed: which patch? [23:45] fta: ^^ ? any clueß [23:45] ? [23:45] mine [23:46] fta: you only have one patch? [23:46] ;) [23:46] fta: which one? [23:46] i mean, my last one in the xul branch [23:47] reed saw the commit mail [23:47] k [23:47] saw it now