[00:02] <mconnor> mrgh
[00:03] <mconnor> asac: barring a magic fairy making me feel better, I'm not making it today :(
[00:04] <mconnor> been sleeping most of the day, barely have the energy to sit up
[00:04] <mconnor> <-- fail
[00:11] <mconnor> oh, perfect timing, message people when the wifi fails... ;)
[00:14] <stevel> fta: http://grommit.com/gallery/v/stephen/mozilla_open_house/DSC_5480.jpg.html
[00:15] <mconnor> fta: if you're around, please relay to asac.  I'm going to go sleep some more.
[00:19] <asac> mconnor: ok ... maybe see you tomorrow
[00:19] <asac> get better
[00:20] <mconnor> asac: yeah, hopefully another 12 hours of sleep will be enough :-/
[00:26] <[reed]> mconnor: ok, I have IRC up on the screen, so you can participate from your hotel
[00:26] <[reed]> :)
[00:33] <mconnor> hi everybody
[00:37] <Ventron> mconnor: will you be here tomorrow?
[00:37] <mconnor> Ventron: I hope so, unless I'm even worse
[00:37] <Ventron> anyone remember how to dial an outside line from google?
[00:39] <Ventron> assuming anyone tried a phone here instead of just using all your iphones :/
[01:10] <reed_mibbit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/84155/
[01:11] <reed_mibbit> we're talking about data integration now... bookmarks, address book, tasks/events
[01:12] <mconnor> data integration in what sense?
[01:13] <mconnor> like, syncing to or using a system store for this?
[01:13] <asac> mconnor: desktop integration like: on the main screen you display the most used bookmarks /sites etc.
[01:14] <asac> mconnor: in the clock you display events from sunbird .... in IM clients you can read the tbird addrbook (or even display your contacts on the main desktop screen)
[01:15] <asac> so basically, everything you currently store in your profile and is not available for other apps should at best be storable in some backend
[01:15] <sayrer> interesting, we're not that far away from that
[01:19] <asac> sayrer: for addrbook? or bookmarks?
[01:19] <asac> (or events/tasks ;))
[01:20] <sayrer> asac, we are storing everything in sqlite, and we have projects for server sync. desktop querying is a related wrinkle
[01:21] <asac> sayrer: problem with sqlite is that its locked ;)
[01:21] <sayrer> yep
[01:21] <mconnor> asac: that's because we're doing that by choice
[01:21] <mconnor> 8% faster!
[01:22] <sayrer> maybe we should make Places available over DBUS or something like that
[01:22] <asac> sayrer: ++
[01:22] <asac> we should make a sane interface then ... not sure if running arbitrary sql commands is what we want to support through dbus
[01:23] <asac> sayrer: oh ... there is one problem ... if firefox isnt running the dbus isnt available ;)
[01:23] <sayrer> yeah, I mean expose the places API, which isn't raw sql
[01:23] <asac> (actually its a thing i already thought about)
[01:23] <sayrer> hey, we should go multi process anyway
[01:24] <sayrer> why not leave Places running as a daemon
[01:24] <sayrer> (mconnor might kill me)
[01:24] <asac> sayrer: if thats an option we can make an auto-activated tiny dbus service out of it
[01:25] <mconnor> sayrer: why me? that's dietrich's problem, not mine!
[01:25] <sayrer> mconnor, you make a good point
[01:26] <sayrer> mconnor, btw... if we leave places running as a daemon, we win on startup time
[01:26] <sayrer> hmm
[01:27] <mconnor> sayrer: guess it depends on the overhead in talking to the daemon...
[01:27] <sayrer> mconnor, well places is all async now
[01:27] <sayrer> so
[01:27] <sayrer> ...
[01:27] <asac> added one more integration thing:
[01:27] <mconnor> sayrer: not all...
[01:27] <asac> * gnome-keyring (requires async login manager)
[01:28] <sayrer> mconnor, ok, so there are still some bugs
[01:28] <sayrer> ;)
[01:28] <asac> i didnt add that in the first place because thats a long standing issue that was long discussed
[01:28] <mconnor> sayrer: it's still a million miles better :)
[01:28] <asac> and 1.9 login manager didnt ring this async feature unfortunately
[01:28] <asac> s/ring/bring/
[01:28] <asac> @time los_angeles
[01:32] <asac> more info on gnomevfs (how long):
[01:32] <asac> 02:15 < asac> seb128: any idea when gnomevfs is going to be dropped completely=?
[01:32] <asac> 02:16 < asac> or will it stay there forever?
[01:32] <asac> 02:16 < seb128> asac: we still have gtk1 in the archive, 15 years or so?
[01:32] <asac> 02:16 < seb128> asac: concerned about CD, main, or ubuntu?
[01:32] <asac> 02:17 < asac> seb128: mozilla wants to know how urgent its to migrate away
[01:32] <asac> 02:19 < seb128> asac: still 60 sources using it in main
[01:32] <jamesh> https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/BugzillaPlugin
[01:32] <asac> 02:19 < seb128> asac: I would say jaunty+1 dropping it from the CD
[01:32] <asac> 02:20 < seb128> asac: it'll probably be in universe for the next lts
[01:32] <timeless> hrm, places as a daemon could make my group happy
[01:38] <mconnor> timeless: clearly we can't do that
[01:49] <asac> ok EOS ;) .... to be continued tomorrow 9:45
[16:59] <mconnor> reed: yeah, I, uh, I am not making it.
[17:00] <reed> ...
[17:00]  * mconnor is really glad he's not flying today
[17:00] <reed> sih
[17:00] <reed> sigh
[17:00] <reed> :)
[17:00] <reed> still sick, or what exactly?
[17:00] <mconnor> still sick
[17:00] <reed> ok... I'll try getting the phone thing working at least.
[17:00] <mconnor> I thought I was doing better until 5 minutes ago. :(
[17:01] <reed> threw up?
[17:02] <asac> mconnor: they have good restrooms here :)
[17:02] <asac> ... just kiddin', sorry to hear that. hope you get better.
[17:02] <mconnor> heh
[17:02] <mconnor> clearly I'm not hardcore enough
[17:05] <mconnor> I'm going to lie down some more
[17:07] <fta> asac, it seems tb3 has no application registered
[17:08] <fta> asac, that's why i have no handler for http
[17:13] <asac> fta: what do you mean with "no application registered"?
[17:14] <fta> hm, no protocol handler
[17:17] <fta> asac, does i work for you?
[17:17] <fta> it
[17:24] <asac> fta: no. it doesn t work
[17:24] <asac> fta: i think the problem is that the gnome support stuff isnt in there
[17:27] <fta> hm, right. i don't have gnomesupport.
[17:43] <reed> fta: come to Albor
[17:53] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/84453/
[18:27] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/84470/
[18:30] <reed> fta: ask in #developers on moznet, or ping glandium?
[18:37] <asac> @time los_angeles
[19:47] <fta> stevel, i was wondering while re-reading your blog entry, where did you get the impression that songbird would ever be in main?
[19:47] <stevel> fta: i didn't :) i actually didn't realise there was a distinction between main vs. universe.
[19:50] <fta> stevel, it's not clear in your wordings then... "one of the ideas asac and I were tossing around was putting a Songbird package into universe instead of main."
[19:51] <fta> stevel, several people already asked me where that main thing come from
[19:51] <stevel> ah; it was new to me because i actually didn't know (prior to wednesday) that there was a distinction between main vs. universe.  hence the "instead of"
[19:55] <fta> sorry, crappy wifi, did i miss something?
[20:00] <stevel> not beyond my "ah; it was new to me because i actually didn't know (prior to wednesday) that there was a distinction between main vs. universe.  hence the "instead of" msg
[20:00] <stevel> i can post a follow-up noting my ignorance if that would help :)
[20:05] <fta> well; sort of. at least it should not confuse other people also trying to have their project in ubuntu
[20:13] <asac> stevel: yeah ... so universe is the place to start ... main is only for those applications that are ment to be "essential" for ubuntu
[20:14]  * stevel nods
[20:14] <asac> stevel: so one of the guidelines is that we only have one application for each use-case in main
[20:16] <asac_> reconnect
[20:16] <asac_> 21:14 < asac> stevel: so one of the guidelines is that we only have one application for each  use-case in main
[20:17] <asac_> also there has to be a certain amount of demand to actually consider a use-case "mainable"
[20:17] <asac_> one way to proof this is by being in universe and having a good popcon score
[20:18] <asac> furter there are other requirements attached to main ... but with those two points you usually get a good feeling for it
[20:18] <asac> maybe also consider if there is another app in main that fullfills the same use-case that that app has to be demoted
[20:19] <asac> so more or less like "evoltion" ;) ... fight for the precious space on CD ... fight for the support committment from canonical and so on ;)
[20:19] <asac> stevel: does that help a bit?
[20:19] <asac> (personally i dont mind if you post a correction .... its just that folks suddenly asked us "why did songbird think that they can go to main" ... but well
[20:20] <asac> you are not really a ubuntu developer, so folks thinking that you know the right procedures would be wrong too
[20:23] <asac> @time los_angeles
[20:35] <stevel> asac: thanks for the clarification; yeah that does help
[20:39] <stevel> clearly the better fix is to get people to stop reading my blog
[20:40] <Nafallo> asac: oh HAI!
[20:40] <Nafallo> asac: I can haz no wirelessscanningcache post-resume plz?
[20:40] <Nafallo> :-)
[20:51] <asac> stevel: hehe ... no ... misinofrmation is also information ;)
[20:51] <asac> no prob
[22:55] <reed> asac: fta around?
[22:55] <reed> he should upstream that patch!
[23:04] <reed> fta: upstream that patch!
[23:04] <reed> :(
[23:05] <fta> not complete
[23:05] <fta> hence the bzXXX
[23:06] <reed> thought that just meant you hadn't upstreamed it
[23:06] <reed> not that it was "incomplete"
[23:07] <fta> reed, where are you?
[23:07] <reed> Mozilla; coming back in just a bit
 fta: upstream that patch!
 :(
 not complete
 hence the bzXXX
 reed, where are you?
[23:22] <reed> fta: Mozilla; coming back in just a bit
[23:23] <fta> ok
[23:44] <asac> reed: which patch?
[23:45] <asac> fta: ^^ ? any clueß
[23:45] <asac> ?
[23:45] <fta> mine
[23:46] <asac> fta: you only have one patch?
[23:46] <asac> ;)
[23:46] <asac> fta: which one?
[23:46] <fta> i mean, my last one in the xul branch
[23:47] <fta> reed saw the commit mail
[23:47] <asac> k
[23:47] <asac> saw it now