[00:06] <redneck> ﻿could some expert tell me what is the safest way to update Hardy's network manager to version 0.7?
[00:53] <ivoks> omg
[00:53] <jpds> Hi ivoks
[00:55] <ivoks> hi
[02:35] <ScottK-laptop> kees: It seems to me that now that we've tried out clamav micro-releases a couple of times as an experiment, it's probably time to get it official and added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
[02:54] <kees> ScottK-laptop: yeah, I was thinking about that.  it's been a while since there's been a TB meeting.
[02:54] <ScottK-laptop> According to the wiki it's done via email.
[02:55] <kees> oh... er, I should read more carefully.  :)
[04:48] <phix> hey
[04:49] <phix> I was just saying on #ubuntu-devel, wouldn't it be a great idea if ubuntu had a concept of "templates", in which, it looks at hardware (for example hard disk drives) and determines if say suggesting a RAID1 or RAID5 "template" is appropriate
[04:52] <phix> to give the user for is installer ubuntu a more high-level approach to installing and setting up ubuntu
[04:58] <phix> jussi01: <3
[05:02] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: here?
[05:03] <ScottK-laptop> For a bit.
[05:03] <ivoks> you have a blueprint link for the mail stack you worked on?
[05:04] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.  Just a moment.
[05:04] <ivoks> np
[05:05] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/integrated-mail-stack and that's got a link to the wiki page.
[05:09] <ivoks> great
[05:13] <ivoks> mailbox backup
[05:13] <ivoks> ummm... always_bcc?
[05:13] <ivoks> clumsy, but a good start
[05:14] <ivoks> RBL can be solved with postconf, inside postfix
[05:14] <ivoks> works beautiful on all my setups
[05:18] <phix> is postfix the mail server of choice now
[05:18] <ScottK-laptop> RBL I didn't know if we'd just use postconf or want some intermediate script, e.g. postfix-add-rbl which wraps postconf.
[05:18] <phix> ?
[05:18] <ScottK-laptop> For Ubuntu, yes.
[05:18] <phix> I thought it was exim
[05:18] <ScottK-laptop> That's default in Debian.
[05:18] <ScottK-laptop> It's supported in Main in Ubuntu, but not the primary.
[05:19] <phix> ah ok :) Any main reasons why postfix is prefered over exim?
[05:19] <ScottK-laptop> It's been that way since before I was involved.
[05:19] <phix> ah ok
[05:19] <ivoks> phix: yes; ubuntu devs prefere it
[05:19] <phix> I have nothing against it, I used postfix on slackware before I even heard of Debian'
[05:20] <ScottK-laptop> For myself, i looked at both a few years ago and preferred postfix.  I don't recall exactly why.
[05:20] <ScottK-laptop> I tend to remember decisions, but not all the reasons.
[05:22] <ScottK-laptop> Off to bed with me, so good night.
[05:22] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: night
[05:25] <ivoks> me too
[05:25] <ivoks> night
[07:57] <Scare|Working> Hi all
[08:01] <Assid> heya
[08:04] <Assid> anyone around?
[08:04] <Assid> is there a bug list available on ubuntu
[08:05] <_ruben> bugs.launchpad.net
[08:06] <Assid> am reloading a box. wanna see if its worth moving from etch to maybe lenny or ubuntu
[08:09] <ropetin> Assid: depends on what you want to acheive with the reload
[08:10] <Assid> err  a server? whats there to achieve.. still deciding the os :(
[08:10] <ropetin> Do you want cutting edge, stability, somewhere in the middle?  GUI, no GUI?
[08:11] <Assid> middle.. but yes stable..  no gui
[08:12] <ropetin> Lenny is good then :)
[08:13] <Assid> #debian guys are saying to stick to etch.. use backports
[08:16] <ropetin> To each their own I guess
[08:46] <derefr> I'm installing JeOS in VMWare Workstation, on a Pentium M laptop. Apparently I don't have PAE available, and according to the forum posts I've read, that means I should use the generic, rather than server, kernel. How do I go about doing that? Is there some easy switch to flip, or do I have to have a long talk with apt and grub?
[09:13] <Gargoyle> ho ho ho!
[09:42] <Gargoyle> Interesting! I got a "moo" from #ubuntu-uk, a "gigolo, gigolo, gigolo" from #zftalk and a "humbug" from #phpnw... which means were all mad! :P
[09:42] <Oliber> wrong
[10:26] <selinuxium> Hi all, the linux-virtual kernel... Is that for the VMhost or VMclient? ANd is it just a case of apt-getting it?
[10:26] <Oliber> from what i understood, it's for guests
[10:45] <_ruben> guest indeed .. and its best to install it using apt-get install linux-virtual
[10:50] <eax_fr> hi there
[10:51] <incorrect> hello i am trying to find more info on the preseed file to the automated pxe boot install
[10:52] <eax_fr> i'm looking for information about creating nas server with web interface (like freenas) but based on ubuntu server....
[10:54] <eax_fr> does anyone know a good panel (web interface) to manage iptables ?
[10:55] <incorrect> http://tinyurl.com/5tkfxa
[10:55] <Nafallo> nice. it's working again :-D
[11:06] <selinuxium> hey there _ruben, after installing how do I check it is using the corect kernel?
[11:49] <incorrect> strange my preseed file works apart from when i tried to log in after the system as installed i just get diamonds
[11:52] <_ruben> selinuxium: which ubuntu version?
[11:52] <selinuxium> _ruben: 8.04
[11:53] <_ruben> in 8.04 uname -a will show -virtual when the -virtual kernel is loaded
[11:56] <selinuxium> _ruben: Cheers, I di dthat before and it wasn't showing.. it is now.. :)
[11:58] <incorrect> where can i get a list of the 'tasksel' options for the preseed file?
[12:07] <_ruben> incorrect: check /var/log/installer/cdebconf/templates.dat and /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat
[12:27] <incorrect> is there anyway to get the preseed file after an install?
[12:30] <ikonia> pressed file ?
[12:32] <hads> preseed
[13:16] <nnull> server run on 64 meg?
[13:16] <nnull> asin, would it be usable? (i know it will work)
[13:17] <eax_fr> l
[13:17] <nnull> |
[13:20] <_ruben> define "usable"
[13:21] <_ruben> incorrect: you want a preseed file based on an existing install or what?
[13:37] <Faust-C> anyone here use otrs2 for a ticket system?
[13:37] <Faust-C> or have any other suggestions for a ticket system
[13:37] <Deeps> rt
[13:37] <Deeps> kayako
[13:38] <Deeps> (kayako's not free, but it's quite easy to hack up and add new stuff to, and easy to integrate with an existing website layout)
[13:38] <Faust-C> Deeps, ah ty, we are in serious need of a ticket system
[13:38] <ScottK-laptop> RT is widely used.
[13:38] <Deeps> otrs was a pita when i tried it
[13:38] <Faust-C> atm we use a access frontend to deal w/ users
[13:38] <Deeps> both to setup and to use
[13:39] <Faust-C> Deeps, yeha otrs2 is being retarted atm
[13:39] <Deeps> RT may leave you in dependancy hell
[13:39]  * Faust-C looks at both and see whats best
[13:39] <Deeps> and kayako's written by indians
[13:39] <Deeps> so they all have their downsides
[13:39] <Deeps> i'd recommend kayako over the lot though, especially if interface visuals matter
[13:39] <Faust-C> lol
[13:40] <Deeps> owned license is.. $300?
[13:40] <Faust-C> 499
[13:40] <ScottK-laptop> RT is packaged for Ubuntu so the dependency part is dealt with.
[13:40] <Faust-C> thats not bad compared to the others ive seen
[13:40] <Deeps> there's 2, the tickting only and the full supporesuite
[13:41] <Faust-C> perldesk is more expensive iirc
[13:41] <Deeps> i think the full supportsuite is $500
[13:41] <ScottK-laptop> Canonical uses it internally, so I'd guess the RT packages are in good shape.
[13:41] <Deeps> sounds like that may be your bet
[13:41] <Deeps> i did encounter some problems trying to setup RT in ubuntu though when i tried, in gutsy i think
[13:41] <Deeps> might have been an older version and needed a newer for some reason
[13:41]  * Deeps shrugs
[13:41] <Faust-C> ScottK-laptop, o rly
[13:42] <Deeps> if canonical are using it internally then the packages will be in good shape though aye
[13:42] <Deeps> if you're needing ticketting for internal issues than RT's almost definately the one to look at
[13:43] <Deeps> if external, dunno, not used it properly in a few years so it's probably less crusty than it used to be by now
[13:43] <Faust-C> internal luckly
[13:44] <Faust-C> just tired of users BCC'ing boss like thats gonna make me jump on it
[13:44] <Faust-C> tired of other depts ragging on IT saying we dont do anything and we just spend money
[13:47] <Deeps> ugh, mysql user + group has rw rights to /home/mysql, running mysqld as mysql user results in error
[13:47] <Deeps> 081212 13:46:58 [Warning] Can't create test file /home/mysql/shitbox.lower-test
[13:48] <Deeps> `touch /home/mysql/shitbox.lower-test` as mysql user works
[13:48]  * Deeps grumbles
[13:48] <Faust-C> lol
[13:53] <Deeps> oh, apparmour
[13:54] <nblracer> hello
[14:08] <incorrect> _ruben, i am looking to find the end result of an installation,  you see for some reason my preseed file says en_GB but i am getting arabic or something
[14:12] <_ruben> incorrect: use debconf-get-selections (part of debconf-utils package) to extract that data, tho those files i mentioned before will probably have that info as well (since debconf uses those)
[14:17] <incorrect> thanks
[14:19] <incorrect> grep doesn't find anything that relates to the tasksel options
[15:19] <Assid> heya
[15:22] <incorrect> can i say 'tasksel tasksel/skip-tasks      string true' in my preseed file?
[15:22] <Assid> okay i been running debian... well all my servers till date. and used ubuntu on desktops as far as that goes.. now i am considering using ubuntu server. however, i do need stability .. also a working openvz
[15:22] <Assid> and dont really need/care for gui
[15:23] <incorrect> Assid, then don't install one, server, desktop, jeos etc its all the same pretty much
[15:23] <Assid> incorrect: yeah.. just making it clear on my usages
[15:24] <Assid> to be honest. i can use etch with an old kernel.. like 2.6.18
[15:24] <_ruben> $ grep tasksel /var/www/preseed-virtual.txt
[15:24] <_ruben> tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, openssh-server
[15:24] <incorrect> Assid, if you install something you don't want do apt-get --purge autoremove x
[15:24] <Assid> wait for updates every now and then
[15:24] <_ruben> thats all the tasksel stuff im preseeding
[15:24] <incorrect> _ruben, its too muh for me :D
[15:24] <_ruben> standard = server packages
[15:25] <_ruben> jeos doesnt offer all that much less .. base install differs like 50megs
[15:25] <Assid> right.. but im still trying to decide on moving to ubuntu on my server.. or sticking to debian.. it has been good to me.. so far.. but would be nice to have newer software.. which perhaps in general terms run better
[15:25] <incorrect> fair enough
[15:25] <Assid> i tried lenny.. well openvz is acting rather strange
[15:25] <incorrect> maybe i am being too anal
[15:25] <Assid> i still cant get setting cpus or cpulimit
[15:25]  * Nafallo fears openvz
[15:26] <Assid> dont get me wrong.. i like ubuntu.. well.. atleast the community.. and even am part of all Release parties.. as a major seeder and mirror (unofficial)
[15:27] <Assid> http://bobbo.me.uk/index.php/intrepid-seeding/
[15:27] <Assid> Nafallo: its pretty good once you get the hang of it
[15:28] <Nafallo> Assid: I've had it fail miserably on me. not a fan.
[15:28] <Assid> hrmm works perfect here
[15:28] <Assid> what happened for you
[15:29] <Nafallo> migrated to another host, didn't start up properly, so migrated back, and the damn thing got all UIDs wrong.
[15:29] <Nafallo> mysql doesn't run well as postfix...
[15:30] <Assid> err
[15:30] <Nafallo> total bloody disaster.
[15:30] <Assid> uid actually will show as the host node uid if you login from hostnode
[15:30] <Assid> unless you ENTER the container itself
[15:30] <Assid> and i dont mean cd /var/lib/vz/private/<VE>
[15:30] <Nafallo> no. username uid
[15:31] <Nafallo> it changed the RIGHTS of all systems
[15:31] <Nafallo> what users and groups owned what and whatsnot
[15:31] <Assid> nah
[15:31] <Nafallo> yes. it did.
[15:31] <Assid> i said no.. AND THATS FINAL.. !!!!
[15:31] <Assid> lol
[15:32] <Nafallo> ...
[15:32] <Assid> your definitely doing something wrong
[15:32] <Assid> okay ..
[15:32] <incorrect> strange my preseed file keeps creating weird console settings
[15:32] <Nafallo> not anymore I'm not. not going to touch that crack again.
[15:32] <Assid> so should i use ubuntu server?
[15:32] <incorrect> just get diamonds when typing
[15:32]  * Assid starts to think
[15:32] <incorrect> Assid, if you want to
[15:32] <Assid> lemme get a os reload ordered
[15:33] <Assid> lets try it
[15:33] <Assid> is it "stable"
[15:33] <Assid> i mean really stable
[15:34] <Assid> hrmm
[15:34] <Assid> only option is hardy
[15:35] <incorrect> Assid, its only a tunip
[15:35] <Assid> tunip ?
[15:35] <incorrect> turnip
[15:36] <genii> incorrect: Did you preseed a keyboard type?
[15:36] <incorrect> if you wish try it and see if it mights your high standards
[15:36] <Assid> a fruit?
[15:36] <incorrect> genii, i did
[15:36] <incorrect> locale=en_GB console-setup/layoutcode=en_GB  from the default.cfg
[15:37] <incorrect> and d-i debian-installer/locale string en_GB.UTF-8,  d-i console-setup/charmap   select  UTF-8, d-i console-setup/layoutcode        string  gb
[15:38] <Assid> will update to intrepid
[15:39] <Deeps> Assid: 'really stable' requires a few years of testing.
[15:39] <incorrect> and why does gimp-help-common get intalled
[15:39] <Assid> alrite lets see
[15:39] <Assid> sent in a os reload
[15:40] <Assid> should have it in 10-15 mins
[15:42] <incorrect> err
[15:42] <Assid> ?
[15:50] <Assid> 10 mins more
[15:52] <Assid> you guys using ii or hh ?
[15:53] <genii> incorrect: I think console-setup/layoutcode  string en
[15:59] <incorrect> thank you
[16:00] <incorrect> lets see if this works
[16:00] <genii> incorrect: Possibly also you may need something like console-keymaps-at/keymap=gb             as well
[16:02] <genii> incorrect: On my pxelinux.cfg/default   kernel line i have some options like these
[16:02] <genii> (although in my case is set for Canada with US english keybd, etc)
[16:02] <incorrect> i've tried a number of combinations
[16:03] <incorrect> if i set it manually everything is happy
[16:03] <incorrect> shame the installer doesn't dump the preseed config after its done
[16:07] <genii> Hm
[16:07] <genii> !info pastebinit dapper
[16:08] <genii> incorrect: I was going to pastebin my preseeds and kernel load line but it's running 6.06 on that box
[16:09] <incorrect> genii, i am rebuilding my system now, i should know the results shortly
[16:09] <genii> incorrect: OK
[16:14] <incorrect> i think i need to change console-setup/layoutcode=en in my default.cfg
[16:16] <incorrect> ok lets try again
[16:18] <Assid> anyone know what kernel comes with ibex ?
[16:18] <incorrect> 2.4.3
[16:18] <Assid> 2.4.3 ???
[16:19] <incorrect> Assid, try this http://tinyurl.com/6z7hq5
[16:19] <Assid> hahahaa
[16:24] <incorrect> why on earth do package components from gimp and openoffice get installed when i do a server install?
[16:26] <Faust-C> hmm mod_perl, fastcgi, or speddycgi
[16:26] <Faust-C> which one would be better
[16:27] <leonel> if you have to serve static content  you don't need mod-perl  in the server ..
[16:27] <Faust-C> leonel, its for 'request-tracker'
[16:29] <genii> Assid: To answer your versions question I'm using headless 6.06 on a couple, 8.04 on the others
[16:29] <leonel> Faust-C: so the static  content will be serverd from  a perl handler ??
[16:30] <leonel> Faust-C: not so static ?
[16:31] <Faust-C> leonel, if 'request-tracker' requires one of the above i dont think its static
[16:32] <leonel> Faust-C: that's why I said that you don't  need mod-perl  to server static content in the httpd server
[16:33] <Faust-C> leonel, i think youre misunderstanding what im asking, http://bestpractical.com/rt/rt-broken-install.html
[16:34] <leonel> I understand that you are asking what's better and for  static content  you don't want  a mod-* in your httpd server, so , I'll go  fastcgi
[16:36] <Faust-C> leonel, oic thats what i was wanting to know, thank you very much
[16:39] <incorrect> this is getting silly, i can't get the console to to set itself correctly
[16:39] <incorrect> sigh
[16:41] <Faust-C> i swear my developers are gonna hate me
[16:41] <incorrect> they don't already?
[16:41] <Faust-C> "how come my vnc internally wont work it works at home"
[16:41] <Faust-C> why the hell are you using vnc w/o telling someone
[16:42] <Faust-C> "its encrypted"
[16:42] <genii> incorrect: Hang on I'll post what I have somehow, you can examine and see if any of it is useful
[16:42] <Faust-C> i dont care, it wont work soon
[16:42] <incorrect> thanks genii
[16:47] <netrat> i'm looking for a shared disk file system... what would you guys recommend and what is the recommended/supported solution in ubuntu? glusterfs, gfs, etc??
[16:47] <incorrect> setting the passwd using md5 doesn't seem to work either
[16:50] <genii> incorrect: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/84430/             this is for unattended 6.06 install of kubuntu and there is some custom stuff in there, but you may find some of the stuff useful
[16:54] <incorrect> i will go over that see if i can see what i've done wrong
[17:31] <ivoks> Daviey: http://ivoks.blogspot.com/2008/09/full-control-over-server.html
[17:33] <Daviey> ivoks: nice!
[17:38] <Nafallo> Daviey: I can be nice
[17:38] <Nafallo> !
[17:42] <Daviey> Nafallo: you are never nice :(
[17:43] <Nafallo> Daviey: that wasn't what you said while I scripted :-P
[17:44] <jpds> Daviey: Come to the community room.
[18:06]  * Faust-C subscribes to ivoks blog
[18:25] <Faust-C> woo still messing w/ fastcgi
[18:25] <Fenix|work> Greetings
[18:26] <Fenix|work> anyone have a handy-dandy link that shows which versions of ubuntu livecd's have which kernel version?
[18:28] <Daviey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot  Vs. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Courier  <--- "For a first installation, the default options perfectly match most of the needs. So no modification will be done"
[18:28] <Daviey> Why are we using dovecot again?
[18:28] <jtaji> Fenix|work: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&exact=1&suite=all&section=main
[18:29] <Fenix|work> jtaji, thanks!
[18:29] <Fenix|work> trying to install the qnx4fs module but it's only compatible up to 2.6.24
[18:30] <Fenix|work> so Hardy should do the trick
[18:47] <Faust-C> hmmm how do i make a link properly
[18:48] <Faust-C> atm im using "ln ../mods-available/<mod-name> <mod-name>" in mods-enabled
[18:50] <genii> Maybe use -s
[18:52] <Faust-C> yeah i just read that as you said it
[18:54] <hads> You talking about apache?
[18:55] <Faust-C> yeah
[18:55] <Faust-C> trying to get RT working
[18:55] <hads> Okay, then use a2enmod/a2dismod and a2ensite/a2dissite
[18:56] <Faust-C> i get it half working and when i load the site it says "almost there" then complains i dont have mod-perl, fastcgi or speedycgi configured
[19:09] <leonel> Faust-C: use   sudo a2enmod      to enable  apache modules
[19:09] <leonel> Faust-C: and restart apache
[19:10] <Faust-C> leonel, ty, im reading into that now
[19:10] <Faust-C> the install docs for RT arent up to date for ubuntu
[19:18] <Faust-C> well atleast now i have a forbidden rather than 'half way there' error
[19:48] <Faust-C> omg wth else do i have to do to get this to work ?!
[19:50] <Faust-C> ive done all that the docs have done and still cant get this to load
[19:50] <Faust-C> complains that i dont have a perl thing configd when i do
[20:08] <Jared555> hey, does enabling serial port console enable any security risks?
[20:09] <kees> Jared555: in general, no.  it still requires authentication, and something needs to be attached to it.
[20:10] <Jared555> does it affect ability to do at keyboard/ssh administration at all?
[20:11] <Jared555> you know I suppose I should see if the system even has a serial port LMAO
[20:13] <Jared555> well... thanks
[20:22]  * antdedyet sets up another ubuntu server
[20:22] <chimp_> Don't laugh, but I accidently made a bash script that incidently gets stuck in a loop and added via update-rc.d foo defaults, and as such it gets stuck on the script on bootup, is there a way to kill the script as ctrl-c has no effect on boot?
[20:23] <antdedyet> chimp_: ^\
[20:23] <antdedyet> chimp_: or you can find the PID and use the kill command from another terminal.
[20:26] <chimp_> Thanks for that
[20:30] <chimp_> Is there a name for things like ^\ so i can look up more of them for future use
[20:32]  * Faust-C fights w/ apache
[20:33] <Faust-C> argh this is really teeing me off
[20:49] <rickross> hi all, we're trying to get a clear sense of what differences to expect in an 8-disk RAID 5 array when using software RAID versus a hardware RAID controller like the Adaptec 5805
[20:50] <rickross> anyone know of any good benchmark reports or data to look at?
[20:53] <antdedyet> chimp_: get to know your shell
[20:53] <antdedyet> chimp_: man bash ... or zsh, ksh, csh, and so on... whatever you're running
[21:03] <Faust-C> rickross, idk how you would compare the 2
[21:03] <rickross> Faust-C: nor do I
[21:04] <Faust-C> considering they both have basic benefits and drawbacks
[21:04] <rickross> we're trying to figure it out - trying to assess whether it is a good value to spend $500+ more for a HW RAID controller or not
[21:04] <Faust-C> rickross, i would just search for a list that compares sw raid, then one that compares various hw raid as well
[21:08] <rickross> we have found data that compares the Adaptec to other hw raid controllers, but so far we have had no luck finding a comparison to a linux software raid baseline
[21:25] <rickross> ok, this might help - http://www.linux.com/feature/140734 - Benchmarking hardware RAID vs. Linux kernel software RAID
[22:00] <LeeQ> Hi all.
[22:00] <LeeQ> Anyone have any recomended reading on backing up my ubuntu server?
[22:03] <jtaji> LeeQ: look up rdiff-backup
[22:04] <LeeQ> excellent, thank you
[22:28] <Tonio_> hi there
[22:29] <nijaba> Tonio_:  meet kees, seeting two seats away ;)
[22:29] <nijaba> seating too
[22:30] <kees> heh