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Riggspchello?00:49
cody-somervilleHi00:50
Riggspcim a noob00:50
Riggspcill say that right now00:50
Riggspcbut is this where i go for ubuntu help?00:50
The-KernelRiggspc: for Xubuntu, yes00:52
Riggspcwell, like i said im a noob00:52
Riggspchow do i konw if i have xubuntu?00:52
Riggspcknow*00:52
j_xinudsbtough crowd today01:31
yotuxcan anyone assist me on how to add a partition to fstab?01:32
knome!fstab01:32
ubottuThe /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions01:32
knome!partitions01:32
ubottuFor help with partitioning a new install see: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/switching/installing-partitioning.html - For partitioning programs see !GParted or !QTParted - Other partitioning topics include !fstab !home and !swap01:32
knomeyotux, ^01:32
yotuxthanks01:32
yotuxI used to be able to but since uuid came into the mix I was unsure01:34
charlie-tcaHey, knome! how's it going01:34
djbushdiowhat specifically do you need to do? I recommend using gparted for partition editing01:34
knomecharlie-tca, great. we are getting some serious work done with cody-somerville, NCommander and JPohlmann01:35
cody-somervillecharlie-tca, I was looking for you earlier01:35
charlie-tcaGood to hear. Wish I was too01:35
cody-somervillecharlie-tca, I want to talk to you about leading up Jaunty testing and QA efforts.01:35
charlie-tcaWhat´s up, cody-somerville01:35
charlie-tcaAnytime?01:35
charlie-tcacody-somerville: Got time now?01:36
knomecharlie-tca, he has :P01:36
knomecharlie-tca, sitting next to me and talking to jannis01:36
charlie-tcaThanks, Knightlust01:36
charlie-tcaknome: thanks!01:36
knomehaha. :]01:36
charlie-tcaI been hiding today. Finally got new images to test :-)01:38
knomeheh01:38
yotuxis there a way to reconfigure grub to add oses that where no there when xubuntu was installed?02:22
charlie-tcaYes, yotux02:23
charlie-tcaedit the menu.lst file in /boot/grub02:24
yotuxcan you point me to the proper documentation?02:24
charlie-tcagive me a minute to find it02:24
yotuxty02:24
charlie-tcayotux: This is good to get you into menu.lst to add: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS02:28
charlie-tcaThis one is better for what to edit to add an OS: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto02:28
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aboucheri have a computer with about 64 mb of ram is xubuntu good for that computer04:08
charlie-tca64MB is a little small. I have loaded it and run on 128MB, but it is very slow.04:11
charlie-tcaWhat is the CPU? On a 400MHz CPU with 384MB ram, you run one program at a time04:12
aboucheri have intel pentium I mmx04:16
charlie-tcaI don't think you will be very happy with it. It will be really slow, and will freeze often.04:19
charlie-tcaAny way you could increase the memory to 256 or 512MB?04:20
aboucheri dont have any memory sticks04:26
charlie-tcaI could suggest trying puppy linux on it. Should have better speed and less freezes.04:29
charlie-tcaYou can find it through http://distrowatch.com/04:31
aboucheri think i'll just use fluxbuntu04:41
Ivo_Heloryanyone know how to fix booting splash @ center by 1024x768 console resolution?04:43
abouchernope04:44
R1cochetwhen i click switch user and leave it at login screen im automatically logged back in after a couple minutes07:07
R1cochetanything i can do so im not logged back in automatically07:07
dnyyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=88249707:08
dnyyI don't have a solution myself, but a quick google search came up with that.  Might help ya.07:08
R1cochetthats exactly what is my problem but theres no solution there :( just multiple people with the same problem07:10
R1cochetthank you tho07:10
R1cochetwhere can i find the login properties?07:12
dnyyYeah, after linking that I realized there were no answers, lol. my bad. :(07:20
dnyyThere's "Sessions and Startup" in the settings manager07:21
dnyyBut there's not many options :/07:21
dnyyah, there's also Settings -> Login Window07:23
dnyyThe security tab has some options about auto logins and timed logins, that might be of some help. i'm pretty new to xfce, so beyond the obvious I don't know. :(07:24
R1cochetyea didnt see anything there07:25
dnyyyeah, a lot of settings in xfce seem to have no GUI07:26
dnyyand rely on editing config files. :/07:26
R1cochetso to rewyouest something like that woyould you go to xyoubyountyou or xfce?07:52
R1cochetrequest*07:52
R1cochetxubuntu*07:52
dnyyI honestly have no clue, but I would imagine xubuntu.  I don't think xfce handles the setting GUIs or anything. Could be wrong, though.07:52
R1cochetok07:54
Sinister`i get spam from 30 differnt @verizon.net addys but mine is verizon can i filter so i only get the ones to: my addy ?08:02
insanermm08:46
insanhiii all of u08:46
insani'm newbie08:46
dnyy'elo :)08:48
R1cochetif i remove gnome-screensaver and add xscreensaver will i have to add xscreensaver to auto started apps?09:36
yakuzzahi11:14
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heap1does anyone have a dell laptop and experience really random system lockups?11:46
gabkdllyheap1: yes, and no11:47
heap1i have had real problems with ubuntu 8.04.1, random system freezing11:48
heap1should i try xubuntu?11:48
dnyyit's worth a shot11:49
gabkdllyheap1: it is probably a better idea to see if you can isolate what causes the crashes11:49
gabkdllym1330?11:49
dnyymy laptop was freezing up a lot in ubuntu 8.1011:49
heap1i know i dont know how to do that mate11:49
dnyyhas yet to freeze in xubuntu11:49
heap1im really new, and my system will probably crash in a minute!!11:49
heap1#i have a forum at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1006394 if you could take a look i would appreciate it11:49
heap1is xubuntu similar to regular ubuntu?12:01
gabkdllyheap1: yes12:04
gabkdllyone of xubuntu's aims is to consume less system resources12:05
gabkdllybut the base system is the same12:05
heap1gabkdlly: i am using a m1530 and have system crashes using 8.04.112:06
heap1really random crashes too12:06
gabkdllydescribe some of the things you are doing when it crashes12:07
heap1i just wondered if xubuntu would be worth a try, maybe it will run more stable? i just dont have trust in what im doing12:07
heap1ok.12:08
heap1well this morning , it froze on the startup screen showing "ubuntu"... then i had to hold down the power button to turn it off. after that restart, it froze again in firefox after like 5 minutes. no mouse movement no response at all12:09
heap1i have installed all the updates lastnight, 260 odd mb's worth..12:10
heap1this is the longest session without a hang, im quite shocked !12:11
yakuzzahow can i add programms to the autostart of xubuntu ?12:12
yakuzzai started with linux yesterday :D12:12
heap1me212:13
heap1& its causing me a headache!12:13
yakuzzanot only you :D12:13
yakuzzai am so much a graphical windows noob :D12:13
heap1im quite happy with linux, but its freezing on me randomly yakuzza lad.. sooo frustraiting!12:14
yakuzzafor example how long it took me how to share with my windows12:14
yakuzzaok, its not freezing for me so i just have the software issue12:14
heap1ask gabkdlly, he seems experienced..12:15
heap1or try the forums, thats what i have done but i cant get to the bottom of this issue12:15
yakuzzayeah, i am in the wikiś right now12:15
gabkdllyyakuzza: Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Autostarted Apps12:16
yakuzzafor example i can get tightvnc running12:16
yakuzzahi12:16
yakuzzathx12:16
gabkdllyheap1: I just read through your forum entry12:16
heap1ok what do you think ?12:17
heap1am i doomed?! hah12:17
gabkdllyno warm in trying a clean install of xubuntu12:17
heap1yeah i think i will lad12:17
gabkdllyI would not mess around with restricted drivers and such if you don't really need them12:17
heap1can i do the same things as in regular ubunut, like openoffice and the like?12:17
gabkdllystart a clean install, document EVERYTHING you do, and go from there12:18
gabkdllyall the programs that run under ubuntu will also run under xubuntu12:18
heap1gabkdlly: the only thing i have changed is a nvidia driver and all the updates12:18
gabkdllytry whether your crashes also occur when you refrain from installing the restricted nvidia12:19
gabkdllyif they do, write down what you had done to make the crash happen12:19
gabkdllythe more specific you can be, the more people will be able to help12:20
gabkdllythe forum is a good place to post your documentation of steps to reproduce your crashes12:20
gabkdllyheap1: you might even just try removing the nvidia drivers and see if that fixes your problems12:22
gabkdllybut trying xubuntu won't hurt :)12:22
heapywell that was a crash gabkdlly12:26
heapyi just disabled the nvidia restricted drivers and restarted again.. see what happens eh ? : )12:26
gabkdllyheapy: did you try reverting to the default driver rather than the restricted nvidia?12:26
gabkdllyyes, good idea12:26
heapyyeah i have, its annoying if this is the fix tho.. cus surely the system is better to be using the actual drivers for the parts. how do i for instance run a 3d game or run those funky effects without a decent driver installed? .. but then again if the system is stable without then thats good enough i suppose12:28
gabkdllyheapy: if you narrow the problem down to the restricted drivers, it might be worth you while to file a bug report12:29
gabkdllyheapy: i can't promise you that nvidia will listen to you, though12:32
heapywhats strange is , some people on the forum have replied to my post. & they are running very similar setups without any problems at all... nvidia drivers installed, blah blah.. so i just dont know its bamboozeling me12:32
gabkdllylaunchpad would be the first place to try and report a bug, but only once you have narrowed down what is causing the problem12:32
gabkdllywhat were you doing when this last crash happened?12:33
gabkdllywhat programs were running?12:33
heapytalking to you on irc12:33
heapyfirefox, the pigeon thingy im using now & thats it12:33
gabkdllyhmmm12:33
gabkdllyyou might look at the logs in /var/log/12:34
heapyhow do i get there?12:34
gabkdllysometimes you can gather something usefull from them12:34
gabkdllyopen a terminal, and type "cd /var/log/"12:34
heapyokay.......12:34
heapyi have /var/log12:35
heapyauth.log, daemon.log , debug, kern.log, messages, syslog, user.log and xorg.0.log12:36
gabkdllyyup, lots of stuff to look at12:37
gabkdllymaybe "less dmesg.0" for example12:38
gabkdllyor syslog12:38
gabkdllysyslog.012:39
gabkdllyI think that without the 0 is the one currently being written to, i.e. for this session12:39
gabkdllywith the 0 should then be the one from the previous boot, the one that had the crash12:40
heapyi found these logs using system/administration/system log - are they the  same as going threw terminal?12:40
gabkdllyah, good job, I did not even know that GUI existed :)12:41
heapyin that case, i dont have a syslog.0 only without the .012:41
gabkdllyin the terminal, type "ls" after having done "cd /var/log"12:42
heapylearn something new everyday, and im on learning overdrive!12:42
heapyoky.....12:42
gabkdllyoh, in the gui you can do File -> open12:44
gabkdllyand then select the previous log12:44
heapythats better, i was struggling in terminal.. i typed cd /var/log Is then it said /var/log$ is12:45
gabkdllyheapy: I am getting ready to go now, but I subscribed to your forum thread12:49
heapyis right lad. have a nice day thanks for the help12:49
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heapy.... i have my head buried in syslogs etc tara12:50
gabkdlly|awayscroll down to the bottom and see if there is anything interesting12:50
heapybbs13:18
sniperlthello is anyone up in here and at the keyboard14:17
sniperltHow can I tell which network manager I am running?14:17
gabkdlly|awayhi14:18
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sniperlthello gabkdlly14:19
gabkdllyif you have not changed it, you are running the one provided by the package network-manager-gnome14:19
sniperlthow can I tell?14:21
gabkdllyin a terminal, type "aptitude search network-manager"14:22
gabkdllythere will be an "i" before the packages that are installed14:22
sniperltnone of them have an i gabkdlly14:34
sniperltthey either have a c or a p14:35
sniperltHello anyoen home14:38
gabkdllyhi14:42
gabkdllyhmmm, I can't remember what c and p mean14:42
* gabkdlly does a "man aptitude"14:42
gabkdllysniperlt: I do believe that means you don't have a network manager installed14:44
gabkdllyi guess you must have inadvertantly removed it14:45
gabkdllywierd14:45
sniperltthen how am I talking to you14:45
gabkdllyhey, try "ps -ef | grep NetworkManager"14:47
sniperlt11564 10540  0 06:48 pts/0    00:00:00 grep NetworkManager14:48
gabkdllyI have my network configured in /etc/network/interfaces, and have deactivated the applet14:48
gabkdllythat is all the output you get?14:49
gabkdllythat would indicate that you don't have the network-manager daemon running14:49
gabkdllywhich would be consistent with it not being installed on your system14:49
sniperltThe once again how am I talking to you?14:50
gabkdllythe manager is not essential to having an internet connection14:50
sniperltWell I ask becasue prior to installing 8.04 I had wicd running14:50
sniperltand it gave me a nice littel icon in the top panel14:50
sniperltWell I have it reinstalled to autostart14:51
sniperltbut no icon14:51
sniperltIt must be working since I am talking to you14:51
sniperltbut I would really like to see that icon14:51
sniperltI thought maybe I as still using ns-applet and not knowing it14:51
gabkdllycheck: Applications -> Settings -> Settings Mangager -> autostarted apps14:52
sniperltsays wicd is check and wicd systems tray is checked too.14:52
gabkdllythere might be an checkbox there to activate the nework manager applet14:52
sniperltand network manager is uncheck.14:52
gabkdllywierd14:52
sniperltbut I wanted to be sure that network manager was not runnign for sure14:53
sniperltsorry nm-applet14:53
gabkdllyfrom what you have told me, I can say with confidence that you don't have the default network-manager running14:53
gabkdllyI must confess, I have never used wicd myself14:53
sniperltwell I am a member of thier forum14:54
gabkdllyhmmm, wicd is not available in intrepid14:54
sniperltbut I hate to go there and say. "hey wicd is not working"14:54
sniperltYou know what I mean14:54
gabkdllysure14:54
sniperltI would like to be able to have enought knowledge to form and intelligent question.14:55
gabkdllybut wicd shows up if you do "ps -ef | grep wicd" ?14:55
sniperltyes it does14:56
gabkdllyit has happened to me before that the network-manager is running, an the applet has started, but the icon does not show up properly14:56
gabkdllythere would just be a blank space in the system tray14:57
gabkdllyI could click on that blank space, and I would get the options as normal, but without seeing an icon14:58
gabkdllyit might be a bug with the xfce system tray14:58
sniperltnope no blank spamce14:58
sniperltspaces14:58
sniperltI think its and error with the deamon.14:59
gabkdllythe space I refer to was a very narrow space, but it was clickable14:59
sniperltnope not at all14:59
sniperltbtw I am a windows person15:00
gabkdllyno system tray whatsoever?15:00
sniperltwhere exactly is the systray on xubuntu15:00
sniperltI think it is in the upper left corner neve the clock15:00
gabkdllyby default, I believe it is in the upper right hand corner15:00
sniperltbut wnat to be sure15:00
sniperltupper right is what I meant15:00
gabkdllyI moved mine some time ago, though, so I can't tell you for sure15:01
sniperltyes it is there along with the clock icon and this kvirc icont15:01
sniperltbut no wicd icon15:01
gabkdllysniperlt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wicd/+bug/26399315:12
gabkdllysniperlt: you might contribute your experience to that bug15:14
sniperltActually it goes beyond even that15:15
sniperltI got to Applications-->network-wicd15:15
sniperltand click and nothing happens15:15
sniperltnada15:15
sniperltnothing15:15
sniperltno indication on screen at all15:16
gabkdllywierd15:16
sniperltwt15:16
sniperltI spoke too soo15:16
sniperltsoon15:16
sniperltthis is the first time I have gotten the program interfacte up though15:17
* gabkdlly will be right back15:18
sniperltI will be back in 4 hours gabkdlly. Time for me to go pic up this pitiful pay check of mine15:22
privetwhere/how do I mount SD/MMC card on my laptop when they are detected by the tifm_core module?15:32
privetrunning xubuntu 8.1015:32
NatureshadowHi guys :)15:38
NatureshadowI have this line in my /etc/apt/sources.list :15:39
Natureshadowdeb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid universe15:39
NatureshadowAny idea why I don't get universe packages over apt ?15:39
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=== leche_y_galletas is now known as leche
heapyhello17:37
gabkdllyhi17:48
gabkdllyso, you are still getting crashes, eh?17:49
heapyhey gabkdlly lad17:50
heapywell its weird, i couldnt see anything mager in the syslogs so i went in search of other things that could be causing the crashes. i am using the default video card drivers & it seems a hellova lot more stable but i have had a lockup earlier. i noticed a slight "clicky" noise comming from the hdd so i did a search on forums and found out a few people had that prob too.. so i d/loaded somethin called smartmontools and looked for the load_cycle_count ( good aft17:53
heapybut im confused by the report so i posted a screenshot on the forum, maybe someone can decipher the output17:55
gabkdllyit is worth finding out if when the crash occurs, what it has hard crashed, or just appears to have crashed because it is reacting very slowly17:57
heapyi dont understand that m817:57
heapyyou mean its worth finding out what the hdd is doing when the system crashes?17:58
gabkdllywhen it crashes, can you still move the mouse? can you switch to a virtual terminal (with Alt-Ctrl-F1)? ist the harddrive working on something?17:59
ViTRoNanyone know how to get linux running on a samsung epix?17:59
gabkdllyViTRoN: you mean the phone?18:01
ViTRoNyeah18:01
ViTRoNmaxamillion: you there?18:02
heapygabkdlly: in #nvidia one of the boys there suggested using something called gentoo : )18:02
maxamillionViTRoN: uhmmm... yes, yes i am18:04
ViTRoNmaxamillion: pm me i dont know how to on this irc client18:04
Odd-rationale/query nick ?18:05
Odd-rationaleusually...18:05
ViTRoNsweet that worked, im doing this from my phone18:06
gabkdllyheapy: with gentoo you usually compile everything from source, which usually takes a while18:11
gabkdllyheapy: the learning curve for gentoo is kind of steep18:11
heapysod that then lad18:11
gabkdllyheapy: you do a lot on the commandline18:12
heapydude, im struggling to spell let alone use command line18:12
gabkdllycommandline = terminal18:12
gabkdlly= console18:12
heapywhat do you think to this, tryin the nvidia drivers from their website and manually installing them?18:13
heapyNVIDIA-Linux-x86-177.82.pkg1.run18:13
gabkdllythe ones from the website are not the ones you had before?18:13
heapyfrom the website18:13
heapyim not sure lad!!!!18:13
gabkdllyI guess there is not harm in trying, you can always do a clean install if things go bad18:14
heapyi just went threw hardware drivers, and it found some nvidia one's. i assumed they were the latest but it didnt show a version18:14
gabkdllyi stay away from restricted drivers whenever possible, binary blobs scare me18:14
gabkdllywhat were you doing right before the last crash?18:15
heapyyou have to get the gfx card running as it should tho right? i mean otherwise having a geforce card is pointless, as bad as intergrated innit18:15
heapynothing much, a bit of work on open office and had a website open18:16
gabkdllyheapy: how much ram do you have?18:17
heapy3gb18:18
heapyi am using ubuntu 32bit18:19
gabkdllyhmmm18:20
gabkdllydoesn't the xps1530 come with a 64-bit processor?18:20
heapymmm18:20
gabkdllyI have been told it does not make a difference18:20
heapyi dont know m818:20
gabkdllyyou can do "sudo lshw" to find out18:21
heapyi thought it only mattered if u have more than 4gb of ram18:21
heapyokay....18:21
gabkdllyI think you are right, actually18:21
heapyit says width 64bit?18:22
heapyi quick google does say the processor is 64bit18:27
gabkdllyi guess you could try installing 64-bit ubuntu, but my guess is that it would not make a difference18:28
knome32 and 64 bit version do have some differences18:29
knomeyou should install 64-bit18:29
knomeif you have a 64-bit cpu18:29
heapyknome:  i have 3gb of ram tho18:30
heapyi mean, oh i dont know im so confused lol18:30
knomeheapy, no problem. you should go for 64-bit18:30
heapyokay i will d.load the 64bit version and give that a whirl18:30
knomegreat.18:31
gabkdllyheapy: good luck18:31
heapyknome: lad, dont suppose u have a nvidia gfx card?@18:31
knomeheapy, actually i do on my desktop pc18:31
knomebut i'm hundreds of miles away from it18:31
heapygabkdlly: have u experienced anything like random freezes and lockups for no apparent reason after installin the drivers? (i think its the drivers anyway, gabkdlly told me to use the standard) and the system ran fine18:32
knomehaven't had any problems.18:33
heapyokay thought i would ask18:33
heapylook at this if u get a chance, i have had really shitty problems with ubuntu.. im new to linux and setting up a stable machine has made my head throb!18:34
heapyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6356078#post635607818:34
heapycheers im off to try 64bit x18:34
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heapyhello20:54
privethow/where do I mount devices mapped with the "tifm" module?20:56
privetrunning 8.1020:56
knometifm?21:34
knomeuhoh21:34
aug_aughello?21:35
aug_aughow do I add simdock to sessions in xfce21:35
aug_augthat's my question21:35
aug_augthe session manager has no "new" option21:35
aug_augin xubuntu I mean21:36
knomeaug_aug, run simdock (and any other apps you want to be loaded right after login), close any apps you don't want to see right after login, go to quit-dialog and check to save session, logout and back in, then logout back again and uncheck the box.21:38
Odd-rationaleaug_aug: do you have applications --> settings --> settings manager --> autostarted applications?21:38
knomeor the way Odd-rationale suggests21:38
Odd-rationaleyeah... i don't like using saved sessions... it sometimes messes things up...21:39
aug_augOh man, I was looking right at it! I kept opening sessions and startup, thanks!21:39
knomeyes. i don't like them either21:39
knomewe're disabling session by default in jaunty21:39
knomei think they might be disabled by default in intrepid as well21:39
aug_augI think it's set to ask at shutdown by default21:41
aug_augat least that's what mine did21:41
knomeyes it asks. but it that option isn't enabled by default21:41
knomei suppose that even the option gets removed from jaunty21:41
aug_augI'm gonna try Simdock now, this is the first time i've used IRC, can I bookmark this channel somehow?21:43
Odd-rationaleaug_aug: yeah, some irc clients support that...21:44
Odd-rationalelike pidgin and xchat.21:44
aug_augThanks, I found it, I'm using pidgin21:44
aug_augthanks for the help guys21:44
Odd-rationalegood luck!21:44
Dev_n00bXubuntu gives me cramfs: wrong magic and something about needing ext3fs on dev/sdc.  I am booting using Wubi.  Any ideas?22:44

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