[00:03] <stgraber> http://www.stgraber.org/download/ubuntu/ltsp/ contain both packages
[00:04] <stgraber> I couldn't test the package on a jaunty system but the intrepid backport I made is working fine (and is actually kind-of in production as we needed these features)
[00:09] <LaserJock> stgraber: are you going to get that into -updates or -backports?
[00:23] <stgraber> LaserJock: well, for now the intrepid one is in my PPA, it won't be uploaded to -updates as it's really hard to cherrypick fixes for ltsp but I'll probably ask for a backport.
[00:23] <LaserJock> stgraber: how much is feature addition though?
[00:24] <LaserJock> I wonder if it could get squeezed into a SRU
[00:25] <stgraber> LaserJock: integrating the whole ltsp-cluster, getting a replacement for configure-x (xorg configuration file generation), adding a xdg menu generator for the localapps, addind xinitrc.d and screen-session.d, moving a good part of the C code to shell when possible (mainly in ldm)
[00:25] <stgraber> as I said, not easy to cherry-pick from :)
[00:26] <LaserJock> what's the reason for C -> shell ?
[00:26] <stgraber> and these are really new features, I don't think there is any reported bug on LP fixed by that (I'd need to have one more look)
[00:26] <stgraber> because starting X from the C code was really weird and making changing the X parameters really hard
[00:27] <LaserJock> I see
[00:27] <stgraber> we also moved the session open from the C code to an rc script, so we can easily add a script changing the environment (as we source these and the final (gnome-session/kde/..) has the whole environement set)
[00:27] <stgraber> oh, we also added .dmrc support to store the language and session
[00:27] <stgraber> added serial printer support too
[00:28] <LaserJock> ok, well I know sbalneav was eager to get some Intrepid stuff into Hardy
[00:28] <LaserJock> I just wondered how much of this new stuff would be bug fixing
[00:28] <stgraber> yeah, hardy is a bit broken
[00:29] <stgraber> so intrepid => hardy needs a few SRU, jaunty => intrepid doesn't it's mostly new features
[00:30] <LaserJock> right
[00:49] <stgraber> LaserJock: ogra_ did the upload
[00:52] <LaserJock> stgraber: good, I haven't even got my jaunty chroot made :-)
[00:56] <ogra_> who needs a chroot ...
[00:56]  * ogra_ just debsigned 
[00:58] <LaserJock> ogra_: old habit I guess ;-)
[00:59] <ogra_> no need for that for stgraber's ltsp uploads ... just do them :)
[00:59] <ogra_> he should do them already, it's just buerocracy thats in the way
[00:59] <stgraber> yeah ...
[00:59] <ogra_> slacking motu council ...
[01:01] <nubae> LaserJock: should I make the apps page with an app icon?
[01:02] <LaserJock> nubae: why not
[01:03] <nubae> yeah did without one and it looks quite silly...
[01:11] <nubae> problem is not all apps have icons... what do I do for those?
[01:12] <LaserJock> nubae: which ones don't?
[01:14] <nubae> weird ones, for example: DDV Sequence Alignment Viewer
[01:17] <nubae> maybe I'm looking in the wrong place... I'm using the net to look for relevant websites
[01:18] <LaserJock> why the heck is DDV Sequence Alignment Viewer doing on your list?
[01:19] <nubae> I'm using the  the ubuntu-apps edu spreadsheet
[01:19] <LaserJock> don't use that
[01:19] <LaserJock> use the seeds
[01:19] <nubae> k
[01:19] <LaserJock> only a handfull of the apps on the list are in Edubuntu
[01:19] <nubae> ok? ???
[01:20] <nubae> also.. should I make them clickable install then?
[01:21] <nubae> U did tell me to use the spreadsheet as a base...
[01:22] <LaserJock> not for Hardy and Intrepid
[01:22] <LaserJock> for Hardy and Intrepid we need to list what we *actually* support/ship
[01:22] <LaserJock> for Jaunty we're looking at expanding all that and using these bundles
[01:23] <LaserJock> *which* will come from the spreadsheet
[01:23] <nubae> ok, so the spreadsheet is Juanty related then?
[01:23] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:24] <nubae> k, I learn something new... :-)
[01:25] <LaserJock> that's why I said to not worry about the spreadsheet so much
[01:25] <LaserJock> because it's sort of a different issue than the app lists for Hardy & Intrepid
[01:26] <LaserJock> and also why I showed you the seeds :-)
[01:26] <LaserJock> so hopefully that will make your life *much* easier ;-)
[01:26] <nubae> for the current distro yes
[01:30] <LaserJock> nubae: perhaps though could you make a new column on that spreadsheet that gives which apps you found didn't have an icon?
[01:33] <nubae> ok, so I list all, but put a generic edubuntu icon infront of non icon apps?
[01:34] <LaserJock> not on edubuntu.org
[01:35] <LaserJock> I just meant in that spreadsheet if you could mark which ones didn't  have an icon
[01:35] <LaserJock> it might be something we look at later
[01:36] <nubae> just to clarify I've made a edubuntu page for this... should I make this elsewhere?
[01:37] <Ahmuck> nubae: i'm getting an error, and wondered if you would know anything about it?
[01:39]  * nubae listens
[01:40] <Ahmuck> brb
[01:41] <LaserJock> nubae: I don't think you need it elsewhere
[01:41] <nubae> (02:34:53 AM) LaserJock: not on edubuntu.org
[01:44] <Ahmuck-Jr> exportfs: /etc/exports:1: syntax error: bad option list
[01:44] <Ahmuck-Jr> when i try the third line "sudo exportfs -a"
[01:45] <Ahmuck-Jr> any clues?
[01:46] <nubae> Ahmuck-Jr: be more inclusive please... what are u trying to do?
[01:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> sudo apt-get install portmap nfs-kernel-server nfs-common
[01:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> echo "/home 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)" | sudo tee -a /etc/exports /dev/null
[01:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> sudo exportfs -a
[01:46] <Ahmuck-Jr> that
[01:47] <nubae> and what error do u get, abviously u are trying my fatclient script...
[01:48] <LaserJock> nubae: I meant to mark down which don't have icons in the spreadsheet
[01:48] <LaserJock> nubae: the ones that will go on edubuntu.org should all have icons
[01:48] <Ahmuck-Jr> exportfs: /etc/exports:1: syntax error: bad option list - i get this error
[01:59] <nubae> Ahmuck-Jr: can u edit that file and tell me whats in it: /etc/exportfs/
[02:03] <Ahmuck-Jr> it appears that /etc only has a file named "exports"
[02:03] <Ahmuck-Jr> no exportfs directory
[02:05] <nubae> should be file /etc/exportfs
[02:05] <Ahmuck-Jr> exports file has three lines, and the first line had a syntax error
[02:05] <Ahmuck-Jr> yes, no file exportfs.  is that one you were trying to create via the script ?
[02:05] <nubae> including /home/whatever 192.158.0..00/24/24
[02:06] <nubae> 0.0
[02:06] <Ahmuck-Jr> yes.  did nfs installation on ubuntu 8.10 change the file location?
[02:06] <Ahmuck-Jr> er, name?
[02:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> but, yes, /home/whatever is there in exports
[02:08] <Ahmuck-Jr> exportfs: /etc/exports [1]: Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export "192.168.0.0/24:/home".
[02:08] <Ahmuck-Jr>   Assuming default behaviour ('no_subtree_check').
[02:08] <Ahmuck-Jr>   NOTE: this default has changed since nfs-utils version 1.0.x - and now this error
[02:08] <nubae> telll me where the exportfs instaled.
[02:08] <Ahmuck-Jr> i saved exports to exportfs
[02:08] <nubae> no subtree is normal
[02:08] <Ahmuck-Jr> k, let me look
[02:09] <Ahmuck-Jr> http://pastebin.be/15390
[02:11] <nubae> show me /etc/exportfs
[02:11] <Ahmuck-Jr> there was no exportfs ... i can create one from exports
[02:11] <Ahmuck-Jr> let me do that
[02:12] <Ahmuck-Jr> http://pastebin.be/15391
[02:14] <nubae> thats great except its exports and not as it should be /etc/exportfs/
[02:16] <Ahmuck-Jr> so, i'm confused should there have been an exportfs by default on ltsp server?
[02:17] <Ahmuck-Jr>  /etc/exportfs?
[02:18] <Ahmuck-Jr> echo "/home 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)" | sudo tee -a /etc/exports /dev/null - should this line say "exportfs" rather than exports ?
[02:20] <nubae> nope sorry that is correct
[02:20] <nubae> exports
[02:21] <Ahmuck-Jr> so, i'm lost now i guess
[02:21] <Ahmuck-Jr> i don't understand what is happening or what should be happening
[02:22] <nubae> it should just work...
[02:23] <Ahmuck-Jr> "exportfs -a" should just work?
[02:23] <nubae> yes
[02:23] <Ahmuck-Jr> hrm.  before i tried your script, i "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade"
[02:23] <Ahmuck-Jr> so i'mat the latest update
[02:24] <Ahmuck-Jr> would this be an indication my system was comprimized?
[02:25] <nubae> that should be fine
[02:25] <Ahmuck-Jr> what should be fine?
[02:25] <Ahmuck-Jr> oh, nm
[02:26] <nubae> your systen should not be compromised
[02:26] <Ahmuck-Jr> i see.  originally i had a syntax error, now it exports and gives me the other error which is ok
[02:26] <Ahmuck-Jr> because i went and looked at the file and removed the line with the syntax error and saved back.  k, thx nubae i'll go from here
[02:26] <nubae> cool
[03:15] <alex_21> I am using Edubuntu Server, and I added the line default_server = 127.0.0.1 to the file /etc/pulse/client.conf
[03:16] <alex_21> Now what do I do for the changes to take effect?
[15:40] <Ahmuck-Jr> 0 stray cats were added ?!
[15:40] <Ahmuck-Jr> odd message
[15:42] <Ahmuck-Jr> nubae: is there a way to overwrite entries in /usr/opt/fati386 without having to redo the entire thing?
[15:44] <Ahmuck-Jr> sorry, /opt/ltsp/fati386
[15:47] <Ahmuck-Jr> nubae: just saw ur artilce on xo.  reading some of your articles, i'm really interested in what your doing with ltsp
[15:48] <Ahmuck-Jr> specifically, it appears that you are making a concentrated effort to ease ltsp for the classroom learning environment
[16:25] <Ahmuck-Jr> to run fat clients, do i need to create a "local apps" menu?
[16:27] <Ahmuck> !docs
[16:27] <Ahmuck> !docs
[16:27] <Ahmuck> !doc
[19:05] <nubae> Ahmuck-Jr: u can set it to use nfs instead of nbd, and that way u won't have to rebuild the image all the time I suppose
[19:06] <nubae> and localapps is not needed for fat client
[19:06] <Ahmuck> kewl, thx
[19:06] <Ahmuck> i've been trying to get the fatclient installation to work, but it keeps erroring out partway through the install
[19:06]  * Ahmuck needs to wait until it gets to that point again
[19:06] <nubae> where's it dying?
[19:10] <Ahmuck> i'll know in about 10min
[19:10] <Ahmuck> it's at 76% download right now
[19:11] <Ahmuck> i'll post to pastbin.be if it does it again.  i deleted the script to make sure i did not install hardy script and am trying again
[19:12] <nubae> k I updated it recently... so make sure u are using the latest one from nubae.com
[19:13] <Ahmuck> i am
[19:33] <Ahmuck-Jr> k, it asks to enter main root user, which i assume is the account i created when intalling ubuntu ltsp server.  user1
[19:34] <Ahmuck-Jr> nubae: http://pastebin.be/15405
[19:42] <nubae> edit the script and remove the part about kde-guidance
[19:43] <nubae> in any case, by that time the script should have gone through and done everything, u just have to build the image
[19:44] <Ahmuck-Jr> what should the script say there.  i just noticed it's at the end
[19:45] <nubae> just take out the if... fi
[19:45] <nubae> so the last 3 lines... but keep the esac at the end
[19:49] <Ahmuck-Jr> k.  the last three lines are not needed i guess.  i'm going to post my dhcpd.conf to make sure everything is kosher
[19:50] <Ahmuck-Jr> http://pastebin.be/15408
[20:06] <Ahmuck> hrm, when i reboot the thin client it is still being served the thin client address.  need to reboot the server to enforce ltsp/dhcp addressing?
[20:24] <Ahmuck> nubae: well, after using the dhcp change, the thin client fails to boot thin or thick
[20:28]  * Ahmuck is going out for sunshine