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directhexhm. do i still serve any purpose being here? are we happy about the mono 2 transition as applied to kde4bindings?00:01
* Riddell hasn't looked at the mono issue at all00:02
Nightrose(no updated kaffeine yet)00:02
RiddellNightrose: have patience00:03
ScottK-laptopRiddell: Would you please do the binary New processing on quassel in intrepid-backports?00:03
Riddellor go to bed and wake up to working kaffine00:03
ScottK-laptopI'd like to give it a try ...00:03
Nightrosewhat is that patience you are talking about Riddell? :P00:03
Nightrosebut yea - i should go to bed00:04
ScottK-laptopdirecthex: I don't thing there are any remaining issues specific to the Mono transition.00:04
Nightrosebut still stuff to do :(00:04
ScottK-laptopdirecthex: You're welcome to hang out anyway though.00:04
RiddellScottK-laptop: accepted00:05
directhexScottK-laptop, i don't run kde, so don't have anything useful to offer in the context of this channel, now that the main issue is resolved. so i shall /part00:05
ScottK-laptopRiddell: Thanks.00:05
ScottK-laptopOK, we can break Mono again now.00:05
ScottK-laptop;-)00:06
siekaczhi00:10
ScottKNow to see if my sarcastic comment gets published.  I read http://adi.roiban.ro/?p=78 and commented that how about we make it so our translations aren't worse than what upstream provides first before we get all high and mighty about localization.00:12
NCommanderRiddell, or ScottK, do you know specifically who I can send an email to about kdebindings?00:14
* ScottK looks at Riddell and runs away.00:15
ScottKActually going off to pick up $YOUNGEST_CHILD from the FINAL Nutcracker rehersal.00:15
seeleTonio_: get in albor now00:17
nixternalTonio_: WHERE ARE YOU? :)00:22
NCommanderNightrose, you floating around?00:23
Nightrosejep00:24
Nightrosewasup?00:24
rgreeningyo00:24
siekaczdo i need to install google gadgets to use google widgets in KDE 4?00:24
NCommanderWe just had a great moment in real life00:24
Nightrosehehe tell00:24
NCommanderNightrose, ask seele00:25
Nightroseseele: tell! :P00:25
jjesseseele and NCommander what was te great moment?00:25
jjessedid i miss the best part of #uds?00:25
rgreeningsome funny stories from tonio00:26
jjesseah00:26
rgreeningmy side stil hurts00:26
Nightroseoh come on00:26
Nightrosetell us00:26
rgreeningwhat happens at UDS stays at UDS00:26
Nightrose:(00:26
rgreeningunless you beg00:26
rgreening:P00:26
* Nightrose begs00:26
Nightrose:P00:26
jjessethat's not what i heard00:26
seeleNightrose: freudian slip when i went to say your name00:26
rgreeningOMFG00:26
jjesseoh boy00:26
rgreeninghahahahahah00:26
Nightroseoh dear :P00:27
Nightrosedo i wanna know?00:27
NCommanderProbably not.00:27
Nightrose;-)00:27
RiddellTonio_: session now?  albor00:27
seeleTonio TOOOOOONIO00:28
jjessehe's probablly out smoking00:28
seelefor 30 minutes?00:28
Hobbsee!vistalover > nixternal00:28
ubottunixternal, please see my private message00:28
nixternalthanks Hobbsee!00:29
Hobbseenixternal: you're welcome!00:29
Hobbseenixternal: so, about this MIRC....00:29
nixternalI LOVE MIRC!!!00:33
* Hobbsee updates ubottu00:37
* Jucato kicks nixternal and Hobbsee before disappearing into the void00:38
* Hobbsee tickles Jucato00:39
* Jucato dies laughing.. in the void00:40
* jpds thinks that UDS makes everyone hyper.00:40
Jucatogood that it does :)00:40
Jucatothat hyper has to last for 6 months :)00:40
jpdsI'm going to miss everyone till next time though.00:41
nixternalI am not going to miss any of you!00:49
nixternaljust kidding00:49
NCommandernixternal, it could be worse00:50
NCommandernixternal, we could just follow you home to Chicago00:51
nixternalwe have plenty of guns in chicago, so be careful00:52
Jucatowell, I will miss you all :)00:54
Jucatowell, I guess that's that! goodbye everyone! thanks for the help, the time, the company, and the Kubuntu :D00:57
JucatoI wish you luck, power, and more ninjas00:57
Tonio_Riddell: oops... too concentrated on the amarok packaging.... missed that one,but for good reason :)01:10
rgreening~twitter update UDS is finished (for me at least) and going home... cheers01:19
kubotustatus updated01:19
rgreeningapachelogger: kde4bindings fails due to csharp http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/84617/01:29
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyPackageManager new spec!01:30
ScottKSo this is way harder to set up than Konversation.02:18
ScottKI think it'd need some real work to be suitable as a default, but who knows ...02:18
Riddellyeah, it's a geek app is quassel02:50
ScottKHow much does dumping Konversation off the CD save us?02:54
* ScottK would look at the HP printing stuff for space savings first. That's all pretty irrelevant if you don't have an HP printer.03:14
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manchickenHowdy.04:45
ScottK-laptopHowdy manchicken.04:46
manchickenHow goes schtuff?04:46
ScottK-laptopNightrose: One thing that would be a huge help with quassel is if they'd add an openssl exception to their code so we can link quassel against openssl and legally ship an SSL enabled version.04:47
ScottK-laptopNightrose: See http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html for a good explanation.04:47
ScottK-laptopmanchicken: OK.  UDS is over and so I guess everyone that went is en route back home.04:48
ScottK-laptopThey decided no more KDE3 in Main, so we need an IRC client to replace Konversation.04:48
ScottK-laptopThey also decided KPackageKit and no more Adept too.04:48
ScottKSo I'm experimenting with quassel a bit.04:50
ScottKIt'd not read for average users by a long shot.04:50
ScottKread/ready04:52
ScottKmanchicken: ^^^04:52
manchickenInteresting.04:53
manchickenNeed any help with any of that?04:53
manchickenheh04:53
manchickenI've been getting slightly bored from time to time.04:53
ScottK-laptopI'm certain KPackagKit will need significant love.04:55
manchickenAck, he left.04:58
ScottKNot really.04:58
ScottKKNetworkManager hiccuped.04:58
ScottK-laptopThere's a list around here somewhere.04:59
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ScottK-laptopmanchicken: So what do you want to work on.05:01
manchickenScottK-laptop: What do you want me to work on?05:02
ScottK-laptopmanchicken: You're a volunteer, I want you to work on something you think will be fun.05:02
ScottK-laptopI know that's not an answer.05:02
manchickenhahahaha05:03
manchickenI'm not a volunteer, I'm manchicken.  I sporadically work on whatever you want me to work on... then I disappear for a year.  haha05:04
ScottK-laptopOK05:04
ScottK-laptopHow about a KDE front end version of apturl?05:04
manchickenAnd apturl is?05:05
ScottK-laptopI know we need that and I don't think anyone is working on it.05:05
manchickenIs that like gdebi or something?05:05
ScottK-laptopSome thing for grabbing crap from third party repositories.05:05
ScottK-laptopish, although that's for installing and this is more for finding I guess.05:05
ScottK-laptopDunno much, just know we need it.05:06
manchickenThis? https://launchpad.net/apturl/05:06
manchickenIs that an authoritative source?05:06
* ScottK-laptop looks05:06
manchickenErr, that looks rather empty05:06
ScottK-laptophttps://code.launchpad.net/apturl05:07
manchickenIs that a kio slave that we need then?05:07
ScottK-laptopThat or http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/apturl/ubuntu/ not sure which is better.05:08
manchickenSorry, it's been a while since I've played here, it might take me a few to get back.05:08
ScottK-laptopmanchicken: I just package this stuff, I don't understand hpw any of it actually  works.05:08
manchickenAh.05:08
ScottK-laptophpw/how.05:08
manchickenSo it looks like the first thing I need to do is talk to mvo.05:09
ScottK-laptopI guess.  I recall him saying something about making changes to make it easier to put a different front end on it.05:09
manchickenYeah, when we did UDS Sevilla he seemed very interested in making UIs more pluggable.05:12
manchickenOh, wow, he even added an abstraction layer here.  That's sexy.05:12
ScottK-laptopOK.  There you go.  Something that needs doing and it's even sexy.05:13
manchickenHah05:19
* seele yawns05:29
seelesleepy.. want to get on plane05:30
manchickenIs your flight being held up?05:36
* ScottK-laptop finds http://paketler.pardus.org.tr/devel/source/kvirc-kde4.html and thinks someone ought to have a look at it.05:45
seelemanchicken: no, it is at 22:3005:45
seele45 minutes from now05:45
seelewhy do people think that they can start complaining about kde4 to me and think i care, let alone will fix anything05:46
seelecrimsun: do you go to any of the local events?  i didn't get to talk to you much at UDS05:47
ScottK-laptopseele: I know he goes to some DC loco stuff.05:47
ScottK-laptopseele: Was there any discussion about the fate of guidance-power-manager?05:48
seeleScottK-laptop: power devil ftw afaik05:48
ScottK-laptopseele: Right, I already unseeded guidance, so it'll drop to Universe the next time component mismatches get processed.  I think we should just remove it.05:49
ScottK-laptopPeople will bitch, but it's buggy and not particularly maintained.05:49
seeleok05:49
seelealso, we need to have a kubuntu meeting asap.  probably soon after chrismas since Riddell is off galavanting around Cali next week05:50
seelethere is a lot of coding work this cycle, and a lot of stuff was delegated to package ninjas05:50
ScottK-laptopI'll be travelling 12/22 - 29.05:50
seelehmm05:50
ScottK-laptopseele: manchicken just volunteered to do the KDE apturl thingy.05:50
seelethere are a lot of "it depends" decisions we'll have to be prepared for05:50
seelei dont know what that is :)05:51
ScottK-laptopIt's on the list of crap that needs doing.05:51
ScottK-laptopAnd the lack of it is what was making Firefox pull in half of Gnome.05:51
ScottK-laptopThat's about all I know.05:51
ScottK-laptopseele: Was keeping Konversation on the CD one of the 'it depends'?05:52
seeleno.. there will be no KDE3 stuff05:52
seeleand konversation for kde4 is unlikely05:52
ScottK-laptopOK, well there's zip for KDE4 IRC clients.05:52
ScottK-laptopsvn snapshot of kvirc-kde4 is all I could find.05:52
seeleright, i think earlier we basically decided no preinstalled irc client05:52
seeleand if someone wants konversation, they can download and install the kde3 libs05:53
seelequassel isn't an option05:53
ScottK-laptopAgree on that.05:53
seeleit would take too much time to port the kopete irc plugin05:53
ScottK-laptopKvirc neither from what I recall.05:53
seelei think rgreening will look in to some pykde stuff, but i dont think that is hopeful05:53
ScottK-laptopHe's already doing a couple of pykde things.05:53
* ScottK-laptop grumbles.05:54
ScottK-laptopIRC is the primary communication means in this distro.05:54
seelewhich is pretty silly, not everyone uses IRC05:54
ScottK-laptopIt seems at least slightly counter intuitive to not provide an IRC client in the default desktop.05:54
seeleLydia is OK with this, and since she is our biggest community relations person then it must not be that big of a deal05:55
seelethen we need to port the Kopete IRC plugin (which is in c++ which noone knows) or pykde or ponies05:55
ScottK-laptopmanchicken knows C++05:56
manchickenBarely :P05:56
ScottK-laptopYou win.05:56
manchickenhah05:56
ScottK-laptopI'd just like to have a release with a complete desktop.  I care a lot less about which KDE bits get used.05:57
ScottK-laptopOh well.05:57
ScottK-laptopOff to bed with me before I get too bitter.05:57
manchickenhah05:59
seelegah.. flight delayed06:01
ScottK-laptopLovely.06:03
ScottK-laptopseele: We told people that Intrepid would be a little sketchy and they might want to hold off, but that Intrepid +1 would be the one.  I think it's a mistake to deliver less even in a small area.06:04
seeleScottK-laptop: sure, but Jaunty isn't LTS so I dont think we should worry about it06:06
ScottK-laptopWell I disagree, but I guess the decision is made.06:06
ScottK-laptopseele: Was it no KDE3 in Main or no KDE3 on the CD?06:07
seeleScottK-laptop: no kde3 on the cd.  afaik it will still be in main06:07
ScottK-laptopOK, well that's something I guess.06:08
seeleactually.. i'm not 100% sure about that.  better ask someone else06:08
* ScottK-laptop looks around for someone else who was at the meeting?06:08
ScottK-laptopI guess my best hope is to go distract the k3b devs so that has to stay KDE3.06:09
seeleScottK-laptop: theyre probably all out06:10
ScottK-laptopFigured.06:10
ScottK-laptopI guess I have to either keep pestering you or go to bed.06:10
seeleheh yeah06:11
seelei hope i make it on the plane before passing out.  i think i've managed to make everyone around me yawn at least once06:11
seelehmm.. looks like only 20 minute delay.  but then again we haven't begun boarding06:16
ScottK-laptopWell good luck.  I am, in fact, going to go to bed now.06:17
manchickenseele: So, is the kopete IRC plugin just needing a KDE4 port?06:26
Riddellddddd07:05
manchickenRiddell: Howdy.  You're home already?07:13
mornfallDoes that mean I can definitely retire Adept?07:47
siekaczhi09:45
siekaczBy next week, internet will be illegal... ofc in Poland :)09:48
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NightroseScottK-laptop: ScottK: I'll let the Quassel guys know - thx11:22
Nightroseand i don't know how ready we can get quassel for the enduser until jaunty11:22
Nightrosebut if seele or someone else is willing to work with them I can push at least one of their devs11:23
Nightrosebut it definitely needs a good usability person with quite some time11:23
Nightrosethey know they have usability problems and want to work on it afaikt11:23
jussi01just that they never have enough time.... ;)11:24
* jussi01 waves to Nightrose11:25
* Nightrose waves @ jussi01 :)11:27
Nightrosejussi01: yea that is a problem but if they know our situation and know that they have the chance to become the default irc client it might get things moving11:28
jussi01Nightrose: and If I send them more vodka :D11:28
jussi01but yeah, you are correct11:29
Nightrosehaha11:29
Nightroseright11:29
jussi01we should get them in the loop there.11:29
Nightrosejep11:30
Nightrosebut it really needs someone to help them with usability11:30
Nightroseand unless seele wants to do it herself or finds someone else to help i don't see how it would work11:31
jussi01hrm, who apart from seele are our usability experts?11:31
Nightrosethat is the problem ;-)11:32
jussi01ahhh11:35
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NightroseScottK: ScottK-laptop: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/view.php?id=441 - their working trees are pretty messed up right now so he filed a bugreport so it doesn't get forgotten - but it looks like they have no problem with it12:44
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NightroseRiddell: kaffeine seems to be working again14:01
Nightrosethx14:01
sikor_kdeanyone experienced with PyKDE? i am having a hard time connecting signals of kio-slaves, signal/slots work with gui elements, but slaves' signals never reach my slots :/ (http://pastebin.com/m4095193f)14:03
smartersikor_kde: it's (KJob *), not KIO::Job14:16
smarterself.connect(copyjob, SIGNAL("result (KJob *)"), self.slotResult) << works that way14:16
sikor_kdesmarter: WORKS!14:20
sikor_kdethanks!14:20
smarter:)14:20
smartery/w14:20
smarterfound that after a quick search on http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/html/classKIO_1_1Job.html14:20
sikor_kdewhere is the documentation for that14:20
sikor_kdeahh ok14:20
smarterapi.kde.org is useful even for Python programming14:21
* sikor_kde scratches his head14:21
sikor_kdei've looked at api pages a 1000 times14:22
sikor_kdemaybe the python references were outdated here14:22
smarterhttp://api.kde.org/pykde-4.1-api/kio/KIO.Job.html seems correct14:22
sikor_kdei'm also a bit puzzled, because my python installation does not seem to like all capitol letters in classnames14:23
sikor_kdein tutorials you often find stuff like KURL and KIO14:23
sikor_kdeby accident i found out, that it's supposed to be KUrl14:25
smarterstrange14:26
sikor_kdeis that a special coding requirement for python?14:27
sikor_kdebecause i tend to give my classes uppercase names aswell, if they contain abreviations14:28
sikor_kdelike MySSLClass14:28
smartermaybe the name of the class changed14:28
smarterdo you have an example of doc using KURL/KIO and it works with KUrl/other?14:29
sikor_kdehttp://diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/IOSlavesTutorial?highlight=(KURL)14:30
sikor_kdethe c++ classes are still named KURL14:31
smarterthe code in this tutorial works here14:33
sikor_kdei cannot use KURL here14:35
sikor_kdeNameError: global name 'KURL' is not defined14:35
smarter"from kdecore import KURL" doesn't work?14:36
sikor_kdeImportError: cannot import name KURL14:37
smartersomething is wrong on your system then14:37
smartertry "from PyKDE4.kdecore import KURL"14:37
sikor_kdethat's the line in my code14:38
sikor_kdei just can do import KUrl14:38
sikor_kdemaybe there is some global python setting to ignore uppercase?14:39
smarteroh, hmm, with PyKDE4.kdecore, it doesn't work too14:39
smarterwith just kdecore it works14:39
sikor_kdeah ok14:39
smarteranyway, according to http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.1-api/kdecore/KUrl.html you should just use "*"14:39
sikor_kdeok14:41
sikor_kdeanyway: i14:42
sikor_kdeerr14:42
sikor_kdedo i have to use the c++ signals?14:43
sikor_kdehttp://api.kde.org/pykde-4.1-api/kio/KIO.ListJob.html <- there are signals listed aswell14:43
smarteryes14:46
sikor_kdehmm "self.connect (listjob, SIGNAL ("entries (Job*, const UDSEntryList&)"), self.slotEntries)" doesn't seem to work :/14:47
sikor_kdeand "self.connect (listjob, SIGNAL ("entries (KIO::Job *, const KIO::UDSEntryList &)"), self.slotEntries)" will even crash the application14:50
smarterKJob*14:51
cbrhmm, i'm using the amarok-kde4 package from the ppa14:54
cbrand it just won't play one album14:54
cbrit outputs this into the console14:54
cbrQString::arg: Argument missing: Amarok - ühtki pala ei esitata., 0:0014:54
cbrvery strange :S14:56
sikor_kdesmarter: from where did you get this? http://api.kde.org/4.1-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/html/classKIO_1_1ListJob.html says the signal is "entries (KIO::Job *, const KIO::UDSEntryList &)" :/14:59
smartersikor_kde: just guessed, maybe I'm wrong14:59
smarternever used kio before actually :p14:59
sikor_kdeok15:00
sikor_kdeis there any way to debug this?15:01
sikor_kdeit's like poking around in the dark15:01
freeflyingRiddell: is there any possibe to sync the translation with kde now? the trasnlation quality on lp is really not so nice15:11
sikor_kdeuhm15:25
sikor_kdethe signal "entries (KIO::Job *, const KIO::UDSEntryList &)" might just not work in python\15:25
sikor_kdesince there is no UDSEntryList15:25
sikor_kdejust UDSEntry15:25
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rgreeningI'm home.. woo-hoo17:10
rgreening~twitter update Just arrived back in St. John's. It's actually warmer here than Mountainview.. heh17:11
kubotustatus updated17:11
rgreening~twitter update UDS: Best feel good quote given by a track lead to the Kubuntu team - "you guys rock". Now that's a great compliment :)17:59
kubotustatus updated17:59
rgreeningapachelogger: I'm getting all kinds of build issues. I must be forgetting something. Do you have a PPA with the new packages built thus far?18:02
apacheloggerno18:02
apacheloggerfeel free to upload kdelibs18:02
apacheloggerpimlibs needs a change though18:02
rgreeninghmm... have you got the dsc/diff for me to build/upload kdelibs?18:03
rgreeningseeing you reviewed18:04
rgreeningNCommander has my usb stick.. ACK18:04
jjesse-dell9afternoon :)18:34
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apacheloggerNightrose: IMHO we should create a small app that can download konversation18:55
apacheloggers/download/install18:56
Nightrosehmm yea maybe18:56
manchickenI thought someone was talking about bringing in the kopete IRC plugin.19:08
manchickenIs that not the case19:09
manchickenDoes it need a KDE4 port or something?19:09
manchicken(the kopete plugin, not konversation)19:09
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glade88was the adding of new entries to task manager widget intensionally reversed (made left to right) ?19:48
* JontheEchidna hasn't noticed that19:52
glade88so guessing, it wasnt intensional :)19:53
apacheloggerglade88: it sorts them19:54
glade88apachelogger: on what order? no of open windows?19:55
apacheloggerI dunno19:56
apacheloggerI am not a fan of it19:56
apacheloggeras I am not of grouping19:56
glade88:)19:56
JontheEchidnamy dad's biggest pet peeves about KDE4 (besides things not working the way they used to) is that the taskmanager is one row and that there isn't any grouping19:57
JontheEchidnahe's got like 15 xterms open at any given time19:58
glade88with 2+ apps open, grouping is "activated"19:58
glade882+ different19:58
glade88apps19:58
glade88any idea whats this? http://forum.kde.org/manual-grouping-of-taskbar-entries-t-19760.html20:06
smarterJontheEchidna: you can force it to use two rows20:07
smarteror more20:07
smarterglade88: it sorts alphabetically by default20:07
JontheEchidnasmarter: he doesn't have 4.2 beta installed20:07
JontheEchidnait's his work computer20:07
smarterunfortunately the two rows are really small with the default theme20:08
glade88smarter: ah.. thanks20:08
smarterglade88: it's configurable (:20:09
glade88+1. /me missed that out :)20:12
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Tm_Thmmmmmh23:12
Tm_Twho I should blame if after installing some gnome bits, my KDE session gets infested by gnome23:13
Tm_Tlike, metacity overrided kwin23:13
apacheloggerTm_T: yourself for installing gnoem bits in the first place?23:22
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