[00:01] <directhex> hm. do i still serve any purpose being here? are we happy about the mono 2 transition as applied to kde4bindings?
[00:02]  * Riddell hasn't looked at the mono issue at all
[00:02] <Nightrose> (no updated kaffeine yet)
[00:03] <Riddell> Nightrose: have patience
[00:03] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Would you please do the binary New processing on quassel in intrepid-backports?
[00:03] <Riddell> or go to bed and wake up to working kaffine
[00:03] <ScottK-laptop> I'd like to give it a try ...
[00:03] <Nightrose> what is that patience you are talking about Riddell? :P
[00:04] <Nightrose> but yea - i should go to bed
[00:04] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: I don't thing there are any remaining issues specific to the Mono transition.
[00:04] <Nightrose> but still stuff to do :(
[00:04] <ScottK-laptop> directhex: You're welcome to hang out anyway though.
[00:05] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: accepted
[00:05] <directhex> ScottK-laptop, i don't run kde, so don't have anything useful to offer in the context of this channel, now that the main issue is resolved. so i shall /part
[00:05] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Thanks.
[00:05] <ScottK-laptop> OK, we can break Mono again now.
[00:06] <ScottK-laptop> ;-)
[00:10] <siekacz> hi
[00:12] <ScottK> Now to see if my sarcastic comment gets published.  I read http://adi.roiban.ro/?p=78 and commented that how about we make it so our translations aren't worse than what upstream provides first before we get all high and mighty about localization.
[00:14] <NCommander> Riddell, or ScottK, do you know specifically who I can send an email to about kdebindings?
[00:15]  * ScottK looks at Riddell and runs away.
[00:15] <ScottK> Actually going off to pick up $YOUNGEST_CHILD from the FINAL Nutcracker rehersal.
[00:17] <seele> Tonio_: get in albor now
[00:22] <nixternal> Tonio_: WHERE ARE YOU? :)
[00:23] <NCommander> Nightrose, you floating around?
[00:24] <Nightrose> jep
[00:24] <Nightrose> wasup?
[00:24] <rgreening> yo
[00:24] <siekacz> do i need to install google gadgets to use google widgets in KDE 4?
[00:24] <NCommander> We just had a great moment in real life
[00:24] <Nightrose> hehe tell
[00:25] <NCommander> Nightrose, ask seele
[00:25] <Nightrose> seele: tell! :P
[00:25] <jjesse> seele and NCommander what was te great moment?
[00:25] <jjesse> did i miss the best part of #uds?
[00:26] <rgreening> some funny stories from tonio
[00:26] <jjesse> ah
[00:26] <rgreening> my side stil hurts
[00:26] <Nightrose> oh come on
[00:26] <Nightrose> tell us
[00:26] <rgreening> what happens at UDS stays at UDS
[00:26] <Nightrose> :(
[00:26] <rgreening> unless you beg
[00:26] <rgreening> :P
[00:26]  * Nightrose begs
[00:26] <Nightrose> :P
[00:26] <jjesse> that's not what i heard
[00:26] <seele> Nightrose: freudian slip when i went to say your name
[00:26] <rgreening> OMFG
[00:26] <jjesse> oh boy
[00:26] <rgreening> hahahahahah
[00:27] <Nightrose> oh dear :P
[00:27] <Nightrose> do i wanna know?
[00:27] <NCommander> Probably not.
[00:27] <Nightrose> ;-)
[00:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: session now?  albor
[00:28] <seele> Tonio TOOOOOONIO
[00:28] <jjesse> he's probablly out smoking
[00:28] <seele> for 30 minutes?
[00:28] <Hobbsee> !vistalover > nixternal
[00:29] <nixternal> thanks Hobbsee!
[00:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you're welcome!
[00:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: so, about this MIRC....
[00:33] <nixternal> I LOVE MIRC!!!
[00:37]  * Hobbsee updates ubottu
[00:38]  * Jucato kicks nixternal and Hobbsee before disappearing into the void
[00:39]  * Hobbsee tickles Jucato
[00:40]  * Jucato dies laughing.. in the void
[00:40]  * jpds thinks that UDS makes everyone hyper.
[00:40] <Jucato> good that it does :)
[00:40] <Jucato> that hyper has to last for 6 months :)
[00:41] <jpds> I'm going to miss everyone till next time though.
[00:49] <nixternal> I am not going to miss any of you!
[00:49] <nixternal> just kidding
[00:50] <NCommander> nixternal, it could be worse
[00:51] <NCommander> nixternal, we could just follow you home to Chicago
[00:52] <nixternal> we have plenty of guns in chicago, so be careful
[00:54] <Jucato> well, I will miss you all :)
[00:57] <Jucato> well, I guess that's that! goodbye everyone! thanks for the help, the time, the company, and the Kubuntu :D
[00:57] <Jucato> I wish you luck, power, and more ninjas
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: oops... too concentrated on the amarok packaging.... missed that one,but for good reason :)
[01:19] <rgreening> ~twitter update UDS is finished (for me at least) and going home... cheers
[01:19] <kubotu> status updated
[01:29] <rgreening> apachelogger: kde4bindings fails due to csharp http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/84617/
[01:30] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyPackageManager new spec!
[02:18] <ScottK> So this is way harder to set up than Konversation.
[02:18] <ScottK> I think it'd need some real work to be suitable as a default, but who knows ...
[02:50] <Riddell> yeah, it's a geek app is quassel
[02:54] <ScottK> How much does dumping Konversation off the CD save us?
[03:14]  * ScottK would look at the HP printing stuff for space savings first.  That's all pretty irrelevant if you don't have an HP printer.
[04:45] <manchicken> Howdy.
[04:46] <ScottK-laptop> Howdy manchicken.
[04:46] <manchicken> How goes schtuff?
[04:47] <ScottK-laptop> Nightrose: One thing that would be a huge help with quassel is if they'd add an openssl exception to their code so we can link quassel against openssl and legally ship an SSL enabled version.
[04:47] <ScottK-laptop> Nightrose: See http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html for a good explanation.
[04:48] <ScottK-laptop> manchicken: OK.  UDS is over and so I guess everyone that went is en route back home.
[04:48] <ScottK-laptop> They decided no more KDE3 in Main, so we need an IRC client to replace Konversation.
[04:48] <ScottK-laptop> They also decided KPackageKit and no more Adept too.
[04:50] <ScottK> So I'm experimenting with quassel a bit.
[04:50] <ScottK> It'd not read for average users by a long shot.
[04:52] <ScottK> read/ready
[04:52] <ScottK> manchicken: ^^^
[04:53] <manchicken> Interesting.
[04:53] <manchicken> Need any help with any of that?
[04:53] <manchicken> heh
[04:53] <manchicken> I've been getting slightly bored from time to time.
[04:55] <ScottK-laptop> I'm certain KPackagKit will need significant love.
[04:58] <manchicken> Ack, he left.
[04:58] <ScottK> Not really.
[04:58] <ScottK> KNetworkManager hiccuped.
[04:59] <ScottK-laptop> There's a list around here somewhere.
[05:01] <ScottK-laptop> manchicken: So what do you want to work on.
[05:02] <manchicken> ScottK-laptop: What do you want me to work on?
[05:02] <ScottK-laptop> manchicken: You're a volunteer, I want you to work on something you think will be fun.
[05:02] <ScottK-laptop> I know that's not an answer.
[05:03] <manchicken> hahahaha
[05:04] <manchicken> I'm not a volunteer, I'm manchicken.  I sporadically work on whatever you want me to work on... then I disappear for a year.  haha
[05:04] <ScottK-laptop> OK
[05:04] <ScottK-laptop> How about a KDE front end version of apturl?
[05:05] <manchicken> And apturl is?
[05:05] <ScottK-laptop> I know we need that and I don't think anyone is working on it.
[05:05] <manchicken> Is that like gdebi or something?
[05:05] <ScottK-laptop> Some thing for grabbing crap from third party repositories.
[05:05] <ScottK-laptop> ish, although that's for installing and this is more for finding I guess.
[05:06] <ScottK-laptop> Dunno much, just know we need it.
[05:06] <manchicken> This? https://launchpad.net/apturl/
[05:06] <manchicken> Is that an authoritative source?
[05:06]  * ScottK-laptop looks
[05:06] <manchicken> Err, that looks rather empty
[05:07] <ScottK-laptop> https://code.launchpad.net/apturl
[05:07] <manchicken> Is that a kio slave that we need then?
[05:08] <ScottK-laptop> That or http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/apturl/ubuntu/ not sure which is better.
[05:08] <manchicken> Sorry, it's been a while since I've played here, it might take me a few to get back.
[05:08] <ScottK-laptop> manchicken: I just package this stuff, I don't understand hpw any of it actually  works.
[05:08] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:08] <ScottK-laptop> hpw/how.
[05:09] <manchicken> So it looks like the first thing I need to do is talk to mvo.
[05:09] <ScottK-laptop> I guess.  I recall him saying something about making changes to make it easier to put a different front end on it.
[05:12] <manchicken> Yeah, when we did UDS Sevilla he seemed very interested in making UIs more pluggable.
[05:12] <manchicken> Oh, wow, he even added an abstraction layer here.  That's sexy.
[05:13] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  There you go.  Something that needs doing and it's even sexy.
[05:19] <manchicken> Hah
[05:29]  * seele yawns
[05:30] <seele> sleepy.. want to get on plane
[05:36] <manchicken> Is your flight being held up?
[05:45]  * ScottK-laptop finds http://paketler.pardus.org.tr/devel/source/kvirc-kde4.html and thinks someone ought to have a look at it.
[05:45] <seele> manchicken: no, it is at 22:30
[05:45] <seele> 45 minutes from now
[05:46] <seele> why do people think that they can start complaining about kde4 to me and think i care, let alone will fix anything
[05:47] <seele> crimsun: do you go to any of the local events?  i didn't get to talk to you much at UDS
[05:47] <ScottK-laptop> seele: I know he goes to some DC loco stuff.
[05:48] <ScottK-laptop> seele: Was there any discussion about the fate of guidance-power-manager?
[05:48] <seele> ScottK-laptop: power devil ftw afaik
[05:49] <ScottK-laptop> seele: Right, I already unseeded guidance, so it'll drop to Universe the next time component mismatches get processed.  I think we should just remove it.
[05:49] <ScottK-laptop> People will bitch, but it's buggy and not particularly maintained.
[05:49] <seele> ok
[05:50] <seele> also, we need to have a kubuntu meeting asap.  probably soon after chrismas since Riddell is off galavanting around Cali next week
[05:50] <seele> there is a lot of coding work this cycle, and a lot of stuff was delegated to package ninjas
[05:50] <ScottK-laptop> I'll be travelling 12/22 - 29.
[05:50] <seele> hmm
[05:50] <ScottK-laptop> seele: manchicken just volunteered to do the KDE apturl thingy.
[05:50] <seele> there are a lot of "it depends" decisions we'll have to be prepared for
[05:51] <seele> i dont know what that is :)
[05:51] <ScottK-laptop> It's on the list of crap that needs doing.
[05:51] <ScottK-laptop> And the lack of it is what was making Firefox pull in half of Gnome.
[05:51] <ScottK-laptop> That's about all I know.
[05:52] <ScottK-laptop> seele: Was keeping Konversation on the CD one of the 'it depends'?
[05:52] <seele> no.. there will be no KDE3 stuff
[05:52] <seele> and konversation for kde4 is unlikely
[05:52] <ScottK-laptop> OK, well there's zip for KDE4 IRC clients.
[05:52] <ScottK-laptop> svn snapshot of kvirc-kde4 is all I could find.
[05:52] <seele> right, i think earlier we basically decided no preinstalled irc client
[05:53] <seele> and if someone wants konversation, they can download and install the kde3 libs
[05:53] <seele> quassel isn't an option
[05:53] <ScottK-laptop> Agree on that.
[05:53] <seele> it would take too much time to port the kopete irc plugin
[05:53] <ScottK-laptop> Kvirc neither from what I recall.
[05:53] <seele> i think rgreening will look in to some pykde stuff, but i dont think that is hopeful
[05:53] <ScottK-laptop> He's already doing a couple of pykde things.
[05:54]  * ScottK-laptop grumbles.
[05:54] <ScottK-laptop> IRC is the primary communication means in this distro.
[05:54] <seele> which is pretty silly, not everyone uses IRC
[05:54] <ScottK-laptop> It seems at least slightly counter intuitive to not provide an IRC client in the default desktop.
[05:55] <seele> Lydia is OK with this, and since she is our biggest community relations person then it must not be that big of a deal
[05:55] <seele> then we need to port the Kopete IRC plugin (which is in c++ which noone knows) or pykde or ponies
[05:56] <ScottK-laptop> manchicken knows C++
[05:56] <manchicken> Barely :P
[05:56] <ScottK-laptop> You win.
[05:56] <manchicken> hah
[05:57] <ScottK-laptop> I'd just like to have a release with a complete desktop.  I care a lot less about which KDE bits get used.
[05:57] <ScottK-laptop> Oh well.
[05:57] <ScottK-laptop> Off to bed with me before I get too bitter.
[05:59] <manchicken> hah
[06:01] <seele> gah.. flight delayed
[06:03] <ScottK-laptop> Lovely.
[06:04] <ScottK-laptop> seele: We told people that Intrepid would be a little sketchy and they might want to hold off, but that Intrepid +1 would be the one.  I think it's a mistake to deliver less even in a small area.
[06:06] <seele> ScottK-laptop: sure, but Jaunty isn't LTS so I dont think we should worry about it
[06:06] <ScottK-laptop> Well I disagree, but I guess the decision is made.
[06:07] <ScottK-laptop> seele: Was it no KDE3 in Main or no KDE3 on the CD?
[06:07] <seele> ScottK-laptop: no kde3 on the cd.  afaik it will still be in main
[06:08] <ScottK-laptop> OK, well that's something I guess.
[06:08] <seele> actually.. i'm not 100% sure about that.  better ask someone else
[06:08]  * ScottK-laptop looks around for someone else who was at the meeting?
[06:09] <ScottK-laptop> I guess my best hope is to go distract the k3b devs so that has to stay KDE3.
[06:10] <seele> ScottK-laptop: theyre probably all out
[06:10] <ScottK-laptop> Figured.
[06:10] <ScottK-laptop> I guess I have to either keep pestering you or go to bed.
[06:11] <seele> heh yeah
[06:11] <seele> i hope i make it on the plane before passing out.  i think i've managed to make everyone around me yawn at least once
[06:16] <seele> hmm.. looks like only 20 minute delay.  but then again we haven't begun boarding
[06:17] <ScottK-laptop> Well good luck.  I am, in fact, going to go to bed now.
[06:26] <manchicken> seele: So, is the kopete IRC plugin just needing a KDE4 port?
[07:05] <Riddell> ddddd
[07:13] <manchicken> Riddell: Howdy.  You're home already?
[07:47] <mornfall> Does that mean I can definitely retire Adept?
[09:45] <siekacz> hi
[09:48] <siekacz> By next week, internet will be illegal... ofc in Poland :)
[10:37]  * siekacz_away is away: Gone away for now
[10:54]  * siekacz is back.
[11:05]  * siekacz_away is away: Gone away for now
[11:07]  * siekacz is back.
[11:22] <Nightrose> ScottK-laptop: ScottK: I'll let the Quassel guys know - thx
[11:22] <Nightrose> and i don't know how ready we can get quassel for the enduser until jaunty
[11:23] <Nightrose> but if seele or someone else is willing to work with them I can push at least one of their devs
[11:23] <Nightrose> but it definitely needs a good usability person with quite some time
[11:23] <Nightrose> they know they have usability problems and want to work on it afaikt
[11:24] <jussi01> just that they never have enough time.... ;)
[11:25]  * jussi01 waves to  Nightrose
[11:27]  * Nightrose waves @ jussi01 :)
[11:28] <Nightrose> jussi01: yea that is a problem but if they know our situation and know that they have the chance to become the default irc client it might get things moving
[11:28] <jussi01> Nightrose: and If I send them more vodka :D
[11:29] <jussi01> but yeah, you are correct
[11:29] <Nightrose> haha
[11:29] <Nightrose> right
[11:29] <jussi01> we should get them in the loop there.
[11:30] <Nightrose> jep
[11:30] <Nightrose> but it really needs someone to help them with usability
[11:31] <Nightrose> and unless seele wants to do it herself or finds someone else to help i don't see how it would work
[11:31] <jussi01> hrm, who apart from seele are our usability experts?
[11:32] <Nightrose> that is the problem ;-)
[11:35] <jussi01> ahhh
[12:44] <Nightrose> ScottK: ScottK-laptop: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/view.php?id=441 - their working trees are pretty messed up right now so he filed a bugreport so it doesn't get forgotten - but it looks like they have no problem with it
[14:01] <Nightrose> Riddell: kaffeine seems to be working again
[14:01] <Nightrose> thx
[14:03] <sikor_kde> anyone experienced with PyKDE? i am having a hard time connecting signals of kio-slaves, signal/slots work with gui elements, but slaves' signals never reach my slots :/ (http://pastebin.com/m4095193f)
[14:16] <smarter> sikor_kde: it's (KJob *), not KIO::Job
[14:16] <smarter> self.connect(copyjob, SIGNAL("result (KJob *)"), self.slotResult) << works that way
[14:20] <sikor_kde> smarter: WORKS!
[14:20] <sikor_kde> thanks!
[14:20] <smarter> :)
[14:20] <smarter> y/w
[14:20] <smarter> found that after a quick search on http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/html/classKIO_1_1Job.html
[14:20] <sikor_kde> where is the documentation for that
[14:20] <sikor_kde> ahh ok
[14:21] <smarter> api.kde.org is useful even for Python programming
[14:21]  * sikor_kde scratches his head
[14:22] <sikor_kde> i've looked at api pages a 1000 times
[14:22] <sikor_kde> maybe the python references were outdated here
[14:22] <smarter> http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.1-api/kio/KIO.Job.html seems correct
[14:23] <sikor_kde> i'm also a bit puzzled, because my python installation does not seem to like all capitol letters in classnames
[14:23] <sikor_kde> in tutorials you often find stuff like KURL and KIO
[14:25] <sikor_kde> by accident i found out, that it's supposed to be KUrl
[14:26] <smarter> strange
[14:27] <sikor_kde> is that a special coding requirement for python?
[14:28] <sikor_kde> because i tend to give my classes uppercase names aswell, if they contain abreviations
[14:28] <sikor_kde> like MySSLClass
[14:28] <smarter> maybe the name of the class changed
[14:29] <smarter> do you have an example of doc using KURL/KIO and it works with KUrl/other?
[14:30] <sikor_kde> http://diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/IOSlavesTutorial?highlight=(KURL)
[14:31] <sikor_kde> the c++ classes are still named KURL
[14:33] <smarter> the code in this tutorial works here
[14:35] <sikor_kde> i cannot use KURL here
[14:35] <sikor_kde> NameError: global name 'KURL' is not defined
[14:36] <smarter> "from kdecore import KURL" doesn't work?
[14:37] <sikor_kde> ImportError: cannot import name KURL
[14:37] <smarter> something is wrong on your system then
[14:37] <smarter> try "from PyKDE4.kdecore import KURL"
[14:38] <sikor_kde> that's the line in my code
[14:38] <sikor_kde> i just can do import KUrl
[14:39] <sikor_kde> maybe there is some global python setting to ignore uppercase?
[14:39] <smarter> oh, hmm, with PyKDE4.kdecore, it doesn't work too
[14:39] <smarter> with just kdecore it works
[14:39] <sikor_kde> ah ok
[14:39] <smarter> anyway, according to http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.1-api/kdecore/KUrl.html you should just use "*"
[14:41] <sikor_kde> ok
[14:42] <sikor_kde> anyway: i
[14:42] <sikor_kde> err
[14:43] <sikor_kde> do i have to use the c++ signals?
[14:43] <sikor_kde> http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.1-api/kio/KIO.ListJob.html <- there are signals listed aswell
[14:46] <smarter> yes
[14:47] <sikor_kde> hmm "self.connect (listjob, SIGNAL ("entries (Job*, const UDSEntryList&)"), self.slotEntries)" doesn't seem to work :/
[14:50] <sikor_kde> and "self.connect (listjob, SIGNAL ("entries (KIO::Job *, const KIO::UDSEntryList &)"), self.slotEntries)" will even crash the application
[14:51] <smarter> KJob*
[14:54] <cbr> hmm, i'm using the amarok-kde4 package from the ppa
[14:54] <cbr> and it just won't play one album
[14:54] <cbr> it outputs this into the console
[14:54] <cbr> QString::arg: Argument missing: Amarok - ühtki pala ei esitata., 0:00
[14:56] <cbr> very strange :S
[14:59] <sikor_kde> smarter: from where did you get this? http://api.kde.org/4.1-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/html/classKIO_1_1ListJob.html says the signal is "entries (KIO::Job *, const KIO::UDSEntryList &)" :/
[14:59] <smarter> sikor_kde: just guessed, maybe I'm wrong
[14:59] <smarter> never used kio before actually :p
[15:00] <sikor_kde> ok
[15:01] <sikor_kde> is there any way to debug this?
[15:01] <sikor_kde> it's like poking around in the dark
[15:11] <freeflying> Riddell: is there any possibe to sync the translation with kde now? the trasnlation quality on lp is really not so nice
[15:25] <sikor_kde> uhm
[15:25] <sikor_kde> the signal "entries (KIO::Job *, const KIO::UDSEntryList &)" might just not work in python\
[15:25] <sikor_kde> since there is no UDSEntryList
[15:25] <sikor_kde> just UDSEntry
[17:10] <rgreening> I'm home.. woo-hoo
[17:11] <rgreening> ~twitter update Just arrived back in St. John's. It's actually warmer here than Mountainview.. heh
[17:11] <kubotu> status updated
[17:59] <rgreening> ~twitter update UDS: Best feel good quote given by a track lead to the Kubuntu team - "you guys rock". Now that's a great compliment :)
[17:59] <kubotu> status updated
[18:02] <rgreening> apachelogger: I'm getting all kinds of build issues. I must be forgetting something. Do you have a PPA with the new packages built thus far?
[18:02] <apachelogger> no
[18:02] <apachelogger> feel free to upload kdelibs
[18:02] <apachelogger> pimlibs needs a change though
[18:03] <rgreening> hmm... have you got the dsc/diff for me to build/upload kdelibs?
[18:04] <rgreening> seeing you reviewed
[18:04] <rgreening> NCommander has my usb stick.. ACK
[18:34] <jjesse-dell9> afternoon :)
[18:55] <apachelogger> Nightrose: IMHO we should create a small app that can download konversation
[18:56] <apachelogger> s/download/install
[18:56] <Nightrose> hmm yea maybe
[19:08] <manchicken> I thought someone was talking about bringing in the kopete IRC plugin.
[19:09] <manchicken> Is that not the case
[19:09] <manchicken> Does it need a KDE4 port or something?
[19:09] <manchicken> (the kopete plugin, not konversation)
[19:48] <glade88> was the adding of new entries to task manager widget intensionally reversed (made left to right) ?
[19:52]  * JontheEchidna hasn't noticed that
[19:53] <glade88> so guessing, it wasnt intensional :)
[19:54] <apachelogger> glade88: it sorts them
[19:55] <glade88> apachelogger: on what order? no of open windows?
[19:56] <apachelogger> I dunno
[19:56] <apachelogger> I am not a fan of it
[19:56] <apachelogger> as I am not of grouping
[19:56] <glade88> :)
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> my dad's biggest pet peeves about KDE4 (besides things not working the way they used to) is that the taskmanager is one row and that there isn't any grouping
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> he's got like 15 xterms open at any given time
[19:58] <glade88> with 2+ apps open, grouping is "activated"
[19:58] <glade88> 2+ different
[19:58] <glade88> apps
[20:06] <glade88> any idea whats this? http://forum.kde.org/manual-grouping-of-taskbar-entries-t-19760.html
[20:07] <smarter> JontheEchidna: you can force it to use two rows
[20:07] <smarter> or more
[20:07] <smarter> glade88: it sorts alphabetically by default
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> smarter: he doesn't have 4.2 beta installed
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> it's his work computer
[20:08] <smarter> unfortunately the two rows are really small with the default theme
[20:08] <glade88> smarter: ah.. thanks
[20:09] <smarter> glade88: it's configurable (:
[20:12] <glade88> +1. /me missed that out :)
[23:12] <Tm_T> hmmmmmh
[23:13] <Tm_T> who I should blame if after installing some gnome bits, my KDE session gets infested by gnome
[23:13] <Tm_T> like, metacity overrided kwin
[23:22] <apachelogger> Tm_T: yourself for installing gnoem bits in the first place?