[00:01] hm. do i still serve any purpose being here? are we happy about the mono 2 transition as applied to kde4bindings? [00:02] * Riddell hasn't looked at the mono issue at all [00:02] (no updated kaffeine yet) [00:03] Nightrose: have patience [00:03] Riddell: Would you please do the binary New processing on quassel in intrepid-backports? [00:03] or go to bed and wake up to working kaffine [00:03] I'd like to give it a try ... [00:03] what is that patience you are talking about Riddell? :P [00:04] but yea - i should go to bed [00:04] directhex: I don't thing there are any remaining issues specific to the Mono transition. [00:04] but still stuff to do :( [00:04] directhex: You're welcome to hang out anyway though. [00:05] ScottK-laptop: accepted [00:05] ScottK-laptop, i don't run kde, so don't have anything useful to offer in the context of this channel, now that the main issue is resolved. so i shall /part [00:05] Riddell: Thanks. [00:05] OK, we can break Mono again now. [00:06] ;-) [00:10] hi [00:12] Now to see if my sarcastic comment gets published. I read http://adi.roiban.ro/?p=78 and commented that how about we make it so our translations aren't worse than what upstream provides first before we get all high and mighty about localization. [00:14] Riddell, or ScottK, do you know specifically who I can send an email to about kdebindings? [00:15] * ScottK looks at Riddell and runs away. [00:15] Actually going off to pick up $YOUNGEST_CHILD from the FINAL Nutcracker rehersal. [00:17] Tonio_: get in albor now [00:22] Tonio_: WHERE ARE YOU? :) [00:23] Nightrose, you floating around? [00:24] jep [00:24] wasup? [00:24] yo [00:24] do i need to install google gadgets to use google widgets in KDE 4? [00:24] We just had a great moment in real life [00:24] hehe tell [00:25] Nightrose, ask seele [00:25] seele: tell! :P [00:25] seele and NCommander what was te great moment? [00:25] did i miss the best part of #uds? [00:26] some funny stories from tonio [00:26] ah [00:26] my side stil hurts [00:26] oh come on [00:26] tell us [00:26] what happens at UDS stays at UDS [00:26] :( [00:26] unless you beg [00:26] :P [00:26] * Nightrose begs [00:26] :P [00:26] that's not what i heard [00:26] Nightrose: freudian slip when i went to say your name [00:26] OMFG [00:26] oh boy [00:26] hahahahahah [00:27] oh dear :P [00:27] do i wanna know? [00:27] Probably not. [00:27] ;-) [00:27] Tonio_: session now? albor [00:28] Tonio TOOOOOONIO [00:28] he's probablly out smoking [00:28] for 30 minutes? [00:28] !vistalover > nixternal [00:28] nixternal, please see my private message [00:29] thanks Hobbsee! [00:29] nixternal: you're welcome! [00:29] nixternal: so, about this MIRC.... [00:33] I LOVE MIRC!!! [00:37] * Hobbsee updates ubottu [00:38] * Jucato kicks nixternal and Hobbsee before disappearing into the void [00:39] * Hobbsee tickles Jucato [00:40] * Jucato dies laughing.. in the void [00:40] * jpds thinks that UDS makes everyone hyper. [00:40] good that it does :) [00:40] that hyper has to last for 6 months :) [00:41] I'm going to miss everyone till next time though. [00:49] I am not going to miss any of you! [00:49] just kidding [00:50] nixternal, it could be worse [00:51] nixternal, we could just follow you home to Chicago [00:52] we have plenty of guns in chicago, so be careful [00:54] well, I will miss you all :) [00:57] well, I guess that's that! goodbye everyone! thanks for the help, the time, the company, and the Kubuntu :D [00:57] I wish you luck, power, and more ninjas [01:10] Riddell: oops... too concentrated on the amarok packaging.... missed that one,but for good reason :) [01:19] ~twitter update UDS is finished (for me at least) and going home... cheers [01:19] status updated [01:29] apachelogger: kde4bindings fails due to csharp http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/84617/ [01:30] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyPackageManager new spec! [02:18] So this is way harder to set up than Konversation. [02:18] I think it'd need some real work to be suitable as a default, but who knows ... [02:50] yeah, it's a geek app is quassel [02:54] How much does dumping Konversation off the CD save us? [03:14] * ScottK would look at the HP printing stuff for space savings first. That's all pretty irrelevant if you don't have an HP printer. === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [04:45] Howdy. [04:46] Howdy manchicken. [04:46] How goes schtuff? [04:47] Nightrose: One thing that would be a huge help with quassel is if they'd add an openssl exception to their code so we can link quassel against openssl and legally ship an SSL enabled version. [04:47] Nightrose: See http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html for a good explanation. [04:48] manchicken: OK. UDS is over and so I guess everyone that went is en route back home. [04:48] They decided no more KDE3 in Main, so we need an IRC client to replace Konversation. [04:48] They also decided KPackageKit and no more Adept too. [04:50] So I'm experimenting with quassel a bit. [04:50] It'd not read for average users by a long shot. [04:52] read/ready [04:52] manchicken: ^^^ [04:53] Interesting. [04:53] Need any help with any of that? [04:53] heh [04:53] I've been getting slightly bored from time to time. [04:55] I'm certain KPackagKit will need significant love. [04:58] Ack, he left. [04:58] Not really. [04:58] KNetworkManager hiccuped. [04:59] There's a list around here somewhere. === ScottK-laptop is now known as ScottK2 === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK-laptop [05:01] manchicken: So what do you want to work on. [05:02] ScottK-laptop: What do you want me to work on? [05:02] manchicken: You're a volunteer, I want you to work on something you think will be fun. [05:02] I know that's not an answer. [05:03] hahahaha [05:04] I'm not a volunteer, I'm manchicken. I sporadically work on whatever you want me to work on... then I disappear for a year. haha [05:04] OK [05:04] How about a KDE front end version of apturl? [05:05] And apturl is? [05:05] I know we need that and I don't think anyone is working on it. [05:05] Is that like gdebi or something? [05:05] Some thing for grabbing crap from third party repositories. [05:05] ish, although that's for installing and this is more for finding I guess. [05:06] Dunno much, just know we need it. [05:06] This? https://launchpad.net/apturl/ [05:06] Is that an authoritative source? [05:06] * ScottK-laptop looks [05:06] Err, that looks rather empty [05:07] https://code.launchpad.net/apturl [05:07] Is that a kio slave that we need then? [05:08] That or http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/apturl/ubuntu/ not sure which is better. [05:08] Sorry, it's been a while since I've played here, it might take me a few to get back. [05:08] manchicken: I just package this stuff, I don't understand hpw any of it actually works. [05:08] Ah. [05:08] hpw/how. [05:09] So it looks like the first thing I need to do is talk to mvo. [05:09] I guess. I recall him saying something about making changes to make it easier to put a different front end on it. [05:12] Yeah, when we did UDS Sevilla he seemed very interested in making UIs more pluggable. [05:12] Oh, wow, he even added an abstraction layer here. That's sexy. [05:13] OK. There you go. Something that needs doing and it's even sexy. [05:19] Hah [05:29] * seele yawns [05:30] sleepy.. want to get on plane [05:36] Is your flight being held up? [05:45] * ScottK-laptop finds http://paketler.pardus.org.tr/devel/source/kvirc-kde4.html and thinks someone ought to have a look at it. [05:45] manchicken: no, it is at 22:30 [05:45] 45 minutes from now [05:46] why do people think that they can start complaining about kde4 to me and think i care, let alone will fix anything [05:47] crimsun: do you go to any of the local events? i didn't get to talk to you much at UDS [05:47] seele: I know he goes to some DC loco stuff. [05:48] seele: Was there any discussion about the fate of guidance-power-manager? [05:48] ScottK-laptop: power devil ftw afaik [05:49] seele: Right, I already unseeded guidance, so it'll drop to Universe the next time component mismatches get processed. I think we should just remove it. [05:49] People will bitch, but it's buggy and not particularly maintained. [05:49] ok [05:50] also, we need to have a kubuntu meeting asap. probably soon after chrismas since Riddell is off galavanting around Cali next week [05:50] there is a lot of coding work this cycle, and a lot of stuff was delegated to package ninjas [05:50] I'll be travelling 12/22 - 29. [05:50] hmm [05:50] seele: manchicken just volunteered to do the KDE apturl thingy. [05:50] there are a lot of "it depends" decisions we'll have to be prepared for [05:51] i dont know what that is :) [05:51] It's on the list of crap that needs doing. [05:51] And the lack of it is what was making Firefox pull in half of Gnome. [05:51] That's about all I know. [05:52] seele: Was keeping Konversation on the CD one of the 'it depends'? [05:52] no.. there will be no KDE3 stuff [05:52] and konversation for kde4 is unlikely [05:52] OK, well there's zip for KDE4 IRC clients. [05:52] svn snapshot of kvirc-kde4 is all I could find. [05:52] right, i think earlier we basically decided no preinstalled irc client [05:53] and if someone wants konversation, they can download and install the kde3 libs [05:53] quassel isn't an option [05:53] Agree on that. [05:53] it would take too much time to port the kopete irc plugin [05:53] Kvirc neither from what I recall. [05:53] i think rgreening will look in to some pykde stuff, but i dont think that is hopeful [05:53] He's already doing a couple of pykde things. [05:54] * ScottK-laptop grumbles. [05:54] IRC is the primary communication means in this distro. [05:54] which is pretty silly, not everyone uses IRC [05:54] It seems at least slightly counter intuitive to not provide an IRC client in the default desktop. [05:55] Lydia is OK with this, and since she is our biggest community relations person then it must not be that big of a deal [05:55] then we need to port the Kopete IRC plugin (which is in c++ which noone knows) or pykde or ponies [05:56] manchicken knows C++ [05:56] Barely :P [05:56] You win. [05:56] hah [05:57] I'd just like to have a release with a complete desktop. I care a lot less about which KDE bits get used. [05:57] Oh well. [05:57] Off to bed with me before I get too bitter. [05:59] hah [06:01] gah.. flight delayed [06:03] Lovely. [06:04] seele: We told people that Intrepid would be a little sketchy and they might want to hold off, but that Intrepid +1 would be the one. I think it's a mistake to deliver less even in a small area. [06:06] ScottK-laptop: sure, but Jaunty isn't LTS so I dont think we should worry about it [06:06] Well I disagree, but I guess the decision is made. [06:07] seele: Was it no KDE3 in Main or no KDE3 on the CD? [06:07] ScottK-laptop: no kde3 on the cd. afaik it will still be in main [06:08] OK, well that's something I guess. [06:08] actually.. i'm not 100% sure about that. better ask someone else [06:08] * ScottK-laptop looks around for someone else who was at the meeting? [06:09] I guess my best hope is to go distract the k3b devs so that has to stay KDE3. [06:10] ScottK-laptop: theyre probably all out [06:10] Figured. [06:10] I guess I have to either keep pestering you or go to bed. [06:11] heh yeah [06:11] i hope i make it on the plane before passing out. i think i've managed to make everyone around me yawn at least once [06:16] hmm.. looks like only 20 minute delay. but then again we haven't begun boarding [06:17] Well good luck. I am, in fact, going to go to bed now. [06:26] seele: So, is the kopete IRC plugin just needing a KDE4 port? [07:05] ddddd [07:13] Riddell: Howdy. You're home already? [07:47] Does that mean I can definitely retire Adept? [09:45] hi [09:48] By next week, internet will be illegal... ofc in Poland :) === siekacz is now known as siekacz_away [10:37] * siekacz_away is away: Gone away for now === siekacz_away is now known as siekacz [10:54] * siekacz is back. === siekacz is now known as siekacz_away [11:05] * siekacz_away is away: Gone away for now === siekacz_away is now known as siekacz [11:07] * siekacz is back. [11:22] ScottK-laptop: ScottK: I'll let the Quassel guys know - thx [11:22] and i don't know how ready we can get quassel for the enduser until jaunty [11:23] but if seele or someone else is willing to work with them I can push at least one of their devs [11:23] but it definitely needs a good usability person with quite some time [11:23] they know they have usability problems and want to work on it afaikt [11:24] just that they never have enough time.... ;) [11:25] * jussi01 waves to Nightrose [11:27] * Nightrose waves @ jussi01 :) [11:28] jussi01: yea that is a problem but if they know our situation and know that they have the chance to become the default irc client it might get things moving [11:28] Nightrose: and If I send them more vodka :D [11:29] but yeah, you are correct [11:29] haha [11:29] right [11:29] we should get them in the loop there. [11:30] jep [11:30] but it really needs someone to help them with usability [11:31] and unless seele wants to do it herself or finds someone else to help i don't see how it would work [11:31] hrm, who apart from seele are our usability experts? [11:32] that is the problem ;-) [11:35] ahhh === glade88_ is now known as glade88 [12:44] ScottK: ScottK-laptop: http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/view.php?id=441 - their working trees are pretty messed up right now so he filed a bugreport so it doesn't get forgotten - but it looks like they have no problem with it === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [14:01] Riddell: kaffeine seems to be working again [14:01] thx [14:03] anyone experienced with PyKDE? i am having a hard time connecting signals of kio-slaves, signal/slots work with gui elements, but slaves' signals never reach my slots :/ (http://pastebin.com/m4095193f) [14:16] sikor_kde: it's (KJob *), not KIO::Job [14:16] self.connect(copyjob, SIGNAL("result (KJob *)"), self.slotResult) << works that way [14:20] smarter: WORKS! [14:20] thanks! [14:20] :) [14:20] y/w [14:20] found that after a quick search on http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/html/classKIO_1_1Job.html [14:20] where is the documentation for that [14:20] ahh ok [14:21] api.kde.org is useful even for Python programming [14:21] * sikor_kde scratches his head [14:22] i've looked at api pages a 1000 times [14:22] maybe the python references were outdated here [14:22] http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.1-api/kio/KIO.Job.html seems correct [14:23] i'm also a bit puzzled, because my python installation does not seem to like all capitol letters in classnames [14:23] in tutorials you often find stuff like KURL and KIO [14:25] by accident i found out, that it's supposed to be KUrl [14:26] strange [14:27] is that a special coding requirement for python? [14:28] because i tend to give my classes uppercase names aswell, if they contain abreviations [14:28] like MySSLClass [14:28] maybe the name of the class changed [14:29] do you have an example of doc using KURL/KIO and it works with KUrl/other? [14:30] http://diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/IOSlavesTutorial?highlight=(KURL) [14:31] the c++ classes are still named KURL [14:33] the code in this tutorial works here [14:35] i cannot use KURL here [14:35] NameError: global name 'KURL' is not defined [14:36] "from kdecore import KURL" doesn't work? [14:37] ImportError: cannot import name KURL [14:37] something is wrong on your system then [14:37] try "from PyKDE4.kdecore import KURL" [14:38] that's the line in my code [14:38] i just can do import KUrl [14:39] maybe there is some global python setting to ignore uppercase? [14:39] oh, hmm, with PyKDE4.kdecore, it doesn't work too [14:39] with just kdecore it works [14:39] ah ok [14:39] anyway, according to http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.1-api/kdecore/KUrl.html you should just use "*" [14:41] ok [14:42] anyway: i [14:42] err [14:43] do i have to use the c++ signals? [14:43] http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.1-api/kio/KIO.ListJob.html <- there are signals listed aswell [14:46] yes [14:47] hmm "self.connect (listjob, SIGNAL ("entries (Job*, const UDSEntryList&)"), self.slotEntries)" doesn't seem to work :/ [14:50] and "self.connect (listjob, SIGNAL ("entries (KIO::Job *, const KIO::UDSEntryList &)"), self.slotEntries)" will even crash the application [14:51] KJob* [14:54] hmm, i'm using the amarok-kde4 package from the ppa [14:54] and it just won't play one album [14:54] it outputs this into the console [14:54] QString::arg: Argument missing: Amarok - ühtki pala ei esitata., 0:00 [14:56] very strange :S [14:59] smarter: from where did you get this? http://api.kde.org/4.1-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/html/classKIO_1_1ListJob.html says the signal is "entries (KIO::Job *, const KIO::UDSEntryList &)" :/ [14:59] sikor_kde: just guessed, maybe I'm wrong [14:59] never used kio before actually :p [15:00] ok [15:01] is there any way to debug this? [15:01] it's like poking around in the dark [15:11] Riddell: is there any possibe to sync the translation with kde now? the trasnlation quality on lp is really not so nice [15:25] uhm [15:25] the signal "entries (KIO::Job *, const KIO::UDSEntryList &)" might just not work in python\ [15:25] since there is no UDSEntryList [15:25] just UDSEntry === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [17:10] I'm home.. woo-hoo [17:11] ~twitter update Just arrived back in St. John's. It's actually warmer here than Mountainview.. heh [17:11] status updated [17:59] ~twitter update UDS: Best feel good quote given by a track lead to the Kubuntu team - "you guys rock". Now that's a great compliment :) [17:59] status updated [18:02] apachelogger: I'm getting all kinds of build issues. I must be forgetting something. Do you have a PPA with the new packages built thus far? [18:02] no [18:02] feel free to upload kdelibs [18:02] pimlibs needs a change though [18:03] hmm... have you got the dsc/diff for me to build/upload kdelibs? [18:04] seeing you reviewed [18:04] NCommander has my usb stick.. ACK [18:34] afternoon :) === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [18:55] Nightrose: IMHO we should create a small app that can download konversation [18:56] s/download/install [18:56] hmm yea maybe [19:08] I thought someone was talking about bringing in the kopete IRC plugin. [19:09] Is that not the case [19:09] Does it need a KDE4 port or something? [19:09] (the kopete plugin, not konversation) === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [19:48] was the adding of new entries to task manager widget intensionally reversed (made left to right) ? [19:52] * JontheEchidna hasn't noticed that [19:53] so guessing, it wasnt intensional :) [19:54] glade88: it sorts them [19:55] apachelogger: on what order? no of open windows? [19:56] I dunno [19:56] I am not a fan of it [19:56] as I am not of grouping [19:56] :) [19:57] my dad's biggest pet peeves about KDE4 (besides things not working the way they used to) is that the taskmanager is one row and that there isn't any grouping [19:58] he's got like 15 xterms open at any given time [19:58] with 2+ apps open, grouping is "activated" [19:58] 2+ different [19:58] apps [20:06] any idea whats this? http://forum.kde.org/manual-grouping-of-taskbar-entries-t-19760.html [20:07] JontheEchidna: you can force it to use two rows [20:07] or more [20:07] glade88: it sorts alphabetically by default [20:07] smarter: he doesn't have 4.2 beta installed [20:07] it's his work computer [20:08] unfortunately the two rows are really small with the default theme [20:08] smarter: ah.. thanks [20:09] glade88: it's configurable (: [20:12] +1. /me missed that out :) === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde === glade88 is now known as glade88|ZzZ [23:12] hmmmmmh [23:13] who I should blame if after installing some gnome bits, my KDE session gets infested by gnome [23:13] like, metacity overrided kwin [23:22] Tm_T: yourself for installing gnoem bits in the first place? === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde