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icarushello01:17
icaruswill xubuntu run well on an old computer?01:17
GenelykHi01:17
zoredacheit depends on how you define well, and how old you mean01:17
zoredache!lowmem01:17
ubottuFor installing on low memory systems, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems.  See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements.01:17
Genelykjojo01:26
Genelykxubuntu is slowww with  64mb ram01:27
cody-somervilleAll computers are slow with 65mb of ram01:29
Genelyku.u01:32
Octoroksheh01:34
robertMBWhen ever I launch starcraft through wine the panels don't go away they are still on top any way to fix this?01:37
insanhiiii evrybody01:38
cody-somervillehiya01:40
insanermm01:40
mushroomcheeseomwhat's the difference between ubuntu & xubuntu?03:31
forcesitomushroomcheeseom: ubuntu use Gnome, and xubuntu use Xfce03:32
forcesito!xfce03:32
ubottuXubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels03:32
mushroomcheeseomi was advised to use xubuntu instead of ubuntu since my desktop freezes. does this make sense?03:36
charlie-tcaThat depends on why it freezes.03:38
charlie-tcaXubuntu does use less RAM than Ubuntu03:39
mushroomcheeseomthat actually brings me back to my first question at #ubuntu "why does my desktop freeze on ubuntu"?03:39
mushroomcheeseomi asked if it was due to my limited 256MB ram...03:39
mushroomcheeseombut someone commented that if it just froze then it wasn't due to ram and might be due to heat issues03:40
ballI've /just/ installed Xubuntu on a machine with 320 Mbytes of RAM.03:40
ballI'll probably upgrade it to 512M this evening.03:40
charlie-tcaI think it´s possible. If you run programs that take all the ram, it will freeze. If it is due to heat,03:41
charlie-tcaXubuntu will freeze too.03:41
charlie-tcaYou could try running memtest on it03:41
ballcharlie-tca: I plan to run that overnight.03:41
charlie-tcaGood idea. Had mushroomcheeseom asking why his system froze03:42
charlie-tcaLooks like he went away03:43
ballPerhaps his machine froze03:43
charlie-tcaMaybe...03:43
charlie-tcaI just upgraded a P3 to 512MB. It does seem faster.03:44
ball-8C here now... think /I'm/ going to freeze03:44
ballI'm taking this RAM from one Pentium III box (800 MHz) and installing it in another (550 MHz)03:44
ball...the 800 MHz machine died.03:44
ballmemtest seems like a sensible precaution.03:45
charlie-tcamakes sense to me :-)03:45
ballCan I safely replace Firefox with SeaMonkey?03:55
Odd-rationaleball: yes.04:05
ballOdd-rationale: Thanks.04:09
ballDoes Xubuntu default to 800x600, or was that detected somehow?04:10
ballBed time anyway.04:27
privethow/where do I mount devices mapped with the "tifm" module?04:48
forcesito:O05:02
forcesitovivos05:02
kalireeI have a question for all of you masters of the "nix"...07:17
romanov_**Hello, does anyone know if I can change the system font style09:12
TheSheepromanov_: yes, in settings->setting manager->user interface09:14
romanov_**oh yes :) thanks !09:16
bryan__so it seems that every time i hit the volume buttons on my laptop, i can't use my keyboard, right-click, or open any menus13:18
bryan__is there any fix for that/13:19
bryan__?13:19
romanov_bryan_: try to delete/insert it in the panel13:37
engemecHello14:46
engemeci have a small memoty in my notebook14:47
engemecmemory14:47
viddok14:47
vidddefine "small"14:47
engemecSo, how can i economy if i change ubuntu to xubuntu?14:47
engemeclittle memoty14:48
engemecmemory14:48
TheSheephow little14:48
viddok...define "little"14:48
vidd256mg?14:48
vidd128MG?14:48
engemec51214:48
viddpft...thats not small14:48
TheSheepthat's not little :)14:48
engemecbut i need to use virtualbox14:49
engemecsometimes14:49
engemecfor examplo..... with ubuntu, the system use 310-330mb14:50
TheSheepengemec: I got mine to 76MB at startup14:50
engemecif i did change to xubuntu...14:50
engemecputs14:50
TheSheepengemec: but at some cost14:50
engemecputz14:50
viddso add xubuntu-desktop, and log into an xfce session and comparer14:50
xxploithas anyone else noticed an update for xfce 4.4.3 im guessing as of today? I installed it and it has removed the main menu applet and it is not available now. Anyone know in the inbetween uploading packages and there not all yet up?14:50
engemec76mb14:51
engemecperfect14:51
engemecand..... some programs...... gimp14:51
engemecapache14:51
engemecmysql14:51
engemecphp14:51
engemecthuderbird14:51
TheSheepengemec: they will take additional ram, at least the daemons14:51
TheSheepengemec: apache and mysql14:52
engemecthanks a lot14:52
engemeci'll try it14:52
viddTheSheep, his definition of "small" and "little" are my definition of "huge" and "plentiful"!14:54
TheSheepvidd: one of those days I will mail you some ram just so we can add more to xubuntu ;)14:55
viddTheSheep, hehe...im sure ill survive =]14:56
heapyhello15:23
viddhello heapy15:23
heapyalright lad15:23
heapylisten, im having a few problems could you help out pleaes15:24
vidd!ask15:24
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)15:24
heapyhehe15:24
heapyalright, hold tight...15:24
heapyi have just got a dell laptop, and installed xubuntu 8.04 hardy. im having problems with constant freezing and lockups. i am sure its to do with the wireless i have been looking at all kinds of reasons for it, and this is the only one left! its a 4965 intel, it works "out of the box" - infact im using it right now. but after a white the system simply gives up and i have to hold down the power to turn off and restart....15:26
heapyits the same in regular ubuntu 8.04.115:26
viddwhat is your system load during the "freeze" and what apps are open when the freeze happens?15:27
heapyi have been searchin the forums and some people use something called ndiswrapper, but it looks confusing.. im new to linux15:28
heapywell the system monitor shows 15% cpu usage, 4.5% ram usage.. also, the freeze happens randomly,. and im only using word and firefox15:29
heapyand pigon15:29
viddwhat is your firefox version? (in firefox click "Help->> About Mozilla firefox")15:30
heapyit is real strange, i can work for an hour, or even 10 minutes and then it locks up15:30
* vidd suspects firefox15:30
heapyi ran a bunch of updates stright away by the way, d.loaded like 200mb of stuff15:30
heapyfirefox 3.0.415:31
heapykernel 2.6.24-2215:32
* vidd was not aware that 3.0.4 was ported to hardy =\15:32
heapyi dont know lad, what i did was apt get software updates and it dloaded all kinds of stuff, 200mb worth15:32
heapythe kernel changed from 2.6.24-19 generic to 24-22 generic15:33
muibewell, I installed xubuntu from the scratch, did necessary updates and result: xfdesktop4 was uninstalled and can't do anything to get it back because of the dependency - some of you may know what this is, right?15:38
heapyi will be back soon15:43
viddmuibe, what dependancy issue?15:45
muibeit reads "xfdesktop4-data (=4.4.2-7ubuntu3) but 4.4.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 is to be installed"15:50
viddmuibe, did you add any "extra" repos?15:54
viddmuibe, because i just updated my repos and 4.4.3 is not listed as available15:55
viddonly 4.4.2-715:55
muibewell i've put certain ones15:56
muibebackports due to atheros driver15:56
viddcomment out the backports for now....15:57
viddthen clear your cache15:57
viddand then update,15:57
viddyou should then be able to install it15:57
muibehow do i clear my cache?15:58
viddapt-get clear i think15:58
muibeall rightt15:58
muibecheers vidd ! it worked :)16:03
viddmuibe, well...of course it did16:04
muibewell, one more thing.. i can't connect with ssh anywhere with my machine16:04
viddthe new version of xfce (4.4.3) apparently is not fully ready yet....16:04
viddyou might want to post a bug for it16:05
viddwhat problem you having with ssh?16:05
muibeit does ask passwd but even if i type it all correctly it isn't accepted16:06
muibe"permission denied, please try again"16:06
viddmuibe, the proper syntax for ssh is "ssh [user]@[ssh destination]16:07
filipegattihello there :-) does someone here uses ayttm?16:07
viddmuibe, so if your user name on system "dud.com" is "joe", you would type "ssh joe@dud.com"16:07
viddmuibe, does that help ya?16:08
vidd!ayttm16:09
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about ayttm16:09
muibevidd: well, i don't do anything expectional - i've got Xubuntu on my desktop machine too but it doesn't work on  laptop16:09
filipegatti:(16:09
muibeeven if i do it all similarly16:09
viddmuibe, do you have ssh server installed on the destination machine?16:09
filipegattii'm using it as MSN client and everytime a person is talking to me, the person's window freeze for some seconds until the person stops writing.16:09
filipegattithis freezing is pissing me off :-P16:10
viddfilipegatti, then use pidgin to talk on msn16:10
viddsince pidgin works just fine16:10
filipegattiI really don't get used to pidgin. And ayttm is lighter.16:11
viddwell....ayttm is not the default messanger client in *buntu.....so i dont know what to tell ya16:12
viddmaybe you need more ram =]16:13
filipegattimore? this is a fresh install of xubuntu in a 2gb ram laptop with 3gb swap :D16:13
viddwell....then its the app and not your hardware16:14
Genelykwow 3gb   swap16:14
GenelykMy have  1GB ram   with 1gb swap16:14
* vidd would rather use a slightly heavier, fully functional app as opposed to a buggy, lighter weight app16:15
viddswap SHOULD = 2xram16:15
filipegattividd, yep. I'm going to join their mailing list. I just wanted to try here first.16:15
viddso your system with 2GB ram,should have 4 GB swap16:15
filipegattinot really vidd :-P16:15
filipegattithis works fine if you're dealing with a server. nowadays its recommended to do only 1x ram on machines 2gb+ ram16:16
filipegattiit's unnecessary to have more.16:16
* vidd has no system with more then 512 MB ram...so 16:17
Genelyknever use 100% swap with 4GB16:17
viddstill sticking to the 2x rule from when i first started using linux =]16:18
filipegattiactually you're right vidd. everybody with less than 2GB ram should use the 2x rule. Only now common machines are coming with 2GB+ ram.16:19
viddeven if i had 2gb ram, id still stick to the 2x rule16:20
* vidd is so set in his ways....=]16:20
heapyhello16:20
filipegattiAfter reading some stuff talking about this, I did some tests with my boss where I work, we deal only with Linux there. And for servers the rule should still be used, but if you're only using for desktop there is no need.16:20
filipegattihello heapy16:20
heapylads...16:20
viddah...and all my machines have server componants...including the desktops =]16:21
heapyi think i have cracked it.. xubuntu so far, fingers, toes, and eyes crossed my laptop is stable!!16:21
heapyfor some reason un known to me, ubuntu 8.04 kept freezing randomly after a while. & now i am using xubuntu instead, it *seems okay !! happy chappy16:22
viddcool16:22
filipegattinow this is something funny... i tried synaptic and add/remove software... and haven't found Opera browser.16:22
filipegattixubuntu > ubuntu :-P16:23
viddyou MAY want to consider uping your system to 8.1016:23
heapyme?16:23
viddheapy, you say that like its a BAD thing =]16:23
viddheapy, yes16:23
heapyyou want me to use 8.10 ?16:24
heapyboss, i have only just installed xubuntu & got the damn thing stable (i hope!) im not about to change now haha :)16:24
viddmakes no difference to me....but YOU might want you to use 8.1016:25
heapytbh i was going to, but it just so happens that the dvd i wrote for it had 4 errors after doing the integrity test so i dloaded 8.04.1 hardy regular ubuntu and suffered mager lockups for no apparent resason. i narrowed it down to the wireless... but the exact same setup but on xubuntu seems to be okay.. strange huh16:27
viddheapy, no...not strange at all16:28
viddthere are different apps between the two....16:28
viddand now that you are up-to-date, you can run the "update-manager -u"16:28
* vidd thinks thats the right switch16:29
viddits -d, not -u!16:29
heapywhat does that do vidd?16:30
heapyim so new to this, im just glad it seems okay right now!16:30
viddthat will let you upgrade easily from 8.04 to 8.1016:30
heapyohhhh16:30
heapydo you really think i should be using xubuntu 8.10?16:31
heapyi have a m1530 xps laptop16:31
viddits entirely up to you.....16:31
viddi personally like having the latest and greatest16:32
heapyim using the LTS version right now right?16:32
viddso i upgrade every 6 months16:32
viddyes,,,8.04 is the lts16:32
heapydid you say the two versions (ubuntu and xubuntu) use different programs to handle the wireless?16:33
viddno...they use different apps.....i dont know if the app to handle wireless is different or not16:34
viddmy systems are all relics....they barely start regular ubuntu, so i havent spent much time with that flavor16:34
heapyim not complainin or owt, but my sys seems to like xubuntu and not regular ubuntu16:35
heapyhay vidd lad, do you know of some good forums for xubuntu?16:38
viddis there something your looking for help with?16:39
viddmost ubuntu forums work just fine for xubuntu stuff16:39
heapyim just trying to get my head around something16:40
heapyubuntu and xubuntu are the same except for the desktop? gnome and xcfe?16:41
heapyso all programs that run on ubuntu run on xubuntu?16:41
viddyes16:42
heapylike open office for instance16:42
viddwell...they WILL run16:42
viddanything that CAN run on ubuntu can run on xubuntu16:42
viddthe only difference between the two is the default aps16:42
heapythe apps that come pre-installed?16:43
viddexactly16:43
heapyohhh16:43
heapymm so how the hell is my computer loving xubuntu, no lock ups and it would of done by now in regular ubuntu?!16:44
viddpossibly an app conflict16:44
heapyvidd, i ran memtest86 for 13 hrs last night cus i thought it maybe the ram.. but that came back wiv zero errors16:45
heapy18 pass's or something16:45
viddnope....looks like one (or a few) ubuntu-standard apps caused some conflict and xubuntu uses different apps =]16:46
heapythat can only be right!!16:46
viddit could also be that an app had some glitch....and installing ubuntu right now could have no issue anymore either !+}16:47
heapydo u use some kind of d.load manager for ur large downloading?16:47
viddlike what?16:47
heapywell on windows i had download accelerator i think16:48
viddyou mean like if i wanted to download som 5 gig file from a web site?16:48
heapyyeah16:48
heapyor even a p2p program16:48
viddnope...i usually use firefox's built-in download manager....16:49
heapy!! i didn't know it had one16:49
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)16:49
viddi also use gftp for transfering files between my systems16:49
heapyjust realised something , on ubuntu my hdd was making some strange clicky noise quite regular... on xubuntu its not16:50
viddi find that very useful so that all 5 machines i use regularly have all the same look and feel16:50
viddhow much ram your system use?16:51
heapy3gb ddr16:51
viddwell...it should NOT be swapping out that much ....dunno16:52
heapythats the total installed, do you mean how much xubuntu actually uses?16:53
viddhard drives clicking may be an indication of hardware failure16:53
viddno...i meant total16:53
heapyi will bbs lad16:57
filipegattividd, do I need to install this synaptic package flashplugin-nonfree to have flash working?17:13
viddthat is the package i would recommend17:14
filipegattiits asking me to install +120mb software only to have flash working?17:14
viddthere are other apps that will play flash17:15
filipegattii remember in others distro to use this flashplugin-nonfree17:15
filipegattibut i'm almost sure that it wasn't needed +120mb to install it17:16
viddubuntu started requiring "recommds" to be installed17:16
viddi personally disabled that17:17
filipegattiso what do you use to be able to watch flash videos?17:17
viddi use flashplugin-nonfree17:17
filipegattiah17:17
filipegattigot it17:17
viddbut i installed it without all the "recommended" apps17:18
filipegattiand it works ok?17:18
viddworks fine...especially since none of the bloatware gotr installed with it17:18
filipegatti:D17:19
filipegattiI'll install it without the recommended apps.17:19
viddyou will want to use the cli17:19
filipegattii think so17:20
viddlet me check the MAN pages for the proper syntax17:20
filipegattiyay, thank you ;-)17:21
viddsudo apt-get install [package] --no-install-recommends17:22
viddsee if that dont drop the size of the installed files =]17:24
filipegattilet me check!17:27
filipegattividd, http://pastebin.com/d1c1a453f :(17:29
viddthey are all needed (i believe)17:31
viddmost of that is flash itself17:32
viddbut you could try gnash instead....17:33
viddi dont know how well it works with flash apps17:34
filipegatti121mb would break my legs17:35
filipegattilet me see gnash17:35
filipegatti8880kb will be used17:37
filipegattiwell, sounds good.17:37
viddthen have at it.....17:37
viddbut like i said....i dont know how well it works17:37
filipegattiits ok, i can remove it later :P17:38
viddif 210 MB is killing ya....ya might want to get some more HD space.....17:39
viddmaybe add a second drive and move your /home directory or /var directory (or both!) there17:39
filipegattiactually i have something about 120gb free17:39
filipegattii just want to make xubuntu the lighter possible17:40
filipegatti(thats why im using ayttm and alsaplayer, ie)17:40
forces_hi!17:40
viddwell...hd sp-ace is not the concern17:40
filipegattihello forces_17:40
forces_filipegatti: o717:41
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nateisenHello people!19:23
Psychloum ppl, anyone had such a problem? i configure my netwrok connection, but it doesn`t work, i go to the connection editor, but my netmask is malformed... I correct it do it all aggain19:31
Psychlonothing works19:31
Psychloand the netmask is malformed again19:31
Psychlo is anyone actually here atm?20:25
Shaba1yes20:26
Psychlo(21:31:16) <Psychlo> um ppl, anyone had such a problem? i configure my netwrok connection, but it doesn`t work, i go to the connection editor, but my netmask is malformed... I correct it do it all aggain20:26
Psychlo(21:31:17) <Psychlo> nothing works20:26
Psychlo(21:31:24) <Psychlo> and the netmask is malformed again20:26
Shaba1But I am an xubuntu newbie.20:26
forces_8:O20:30
Nalkhello20:57
Nalki want to make a menu where are only all games, not the menu 'system' ... how i can make this ?20:57
Nalkcannot find where this mernu 'system' is comming from20:57
filipegattiNalk21:01
Nalkyes21:01
filipegattido you mean the panel?21:01
filipegattithe one you have top and bottom?21:01
Nalkyes, in the panel21:01
filipegattior you are talking about the xfce button which opens all software options?21:02
Nalkthere i made an xfce-menu, and there i can change some stuff with the menu-editor21:02
filipegattiyes21:02
Nalkbut there is only one place for all programms, an include system21:02
Nalkin the menu.xml21:03
Nalkand i hope to change it. that only games are be found there21:03
filipegattijust click the + button :P21:03
filipegattiand you can enter a submenu21:03
Nalkbut how i can make a submenu with all games (dont want to put them one by one ...)21:04
filipegattido you want it to auto-detect your gamesw21:05
filipegatti?21:05
Nalki only want to see the games there, nothing else21:07
Nalkwant to know which file is included in this line from menu.xml <include type="system" style="simple" unique="true" legacy="true"/ ... where i can found it ... and ... is there a way to change it to games or something like it :)21:11
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heapyhello21:40
forces_hi!21:42
heapyjust a quick question, i have just installed xubuntu 8.10, and done the updates. the prob i have is i cant 'right click' on the desktop, and there isn't any icons on the desktop either.. whats goin on lads?21:42
Genelyknot  icons  in desktop ¿?21:42
heapynot one21:42
forces_you have to permit at xfce manager your desktop21:42
heapyhow do i do that (this is my first experience of linux)!!21:43
Genelykaplicatiions-configure-settiings configure - desktop21:44
Genelykcheck first square21:44
heapyyour a star, that worked a treat :)21:45
heapyi have just one more q: i have parted magic on a cd. i ran it to do some partitions. what i would like is to try another linux like standard ubuntu.. and dual boot. but what i really need is a partition for media files music and videos that can be accessed by both operating systems. how do i go about that lad?21:47
Shaba1I am not a linux expert at all21:48
Shaba1but I do not think you can do that easily21:48
Genelykcreate  one partition Fat32  for linux and windows21:49
Shaba1I can access my windows partition from xubuntu all the time21:49
Shaba1Just cannot use any of the program files21:49
heapyi was wondering what file system to use for the partition21:49
Shaba1just the data like .jpg .png .gif .mpg e.t.c21:49
heapyex3 or ntfs or fat32 etc21:49
Genelykreifers is goob for files litles21:49
Shaba1ah well that you would have to ask one of the experts21:49
Shaba1but just a guess21:50
Shaba1if you want that partition to be read by both windwos and linux21:50
Shaba1make it ntfs21:50
heapythanks Shaba121:50
Shaba1Someone PLEASE correct me if I am giving him/her bad info.21:50
heapydon't worry m8, its cool :)21:52
Shaba1I just hate people giving out wrong information on here.21:52
Shaba1I will preface my statments if I am not absolutely sure of what I am saying21:53
Shaba1so you try it at your won risk21:53
heapywell that makes sense, but im not going to use windows so maybe a ex3 partition for media would be best.. i will check out on the forums to make sure lar21:53
heapyi will be back soon , will let you know how i get on :)21:55
filipegattihmm22:04
filipegattii think i know what happened to heapy22:04
R1coch3tdoes "matrixview" screensaver work in xscreensaver?22:12
nomemoryhello22:38
nomemoryhas anyone of you is regularly using "mc" (midnight commander) under Xubuntu ?22:39
moijkGood evening. I netinstalled ubuntu and then xubuntu desktop. but the wireless gui-stuff didn23:38
moijkGood evening. I netinstalled ubuntu and then xubuntu desktop. but the wireless gui-stuff didn23:38
moijkcome with. how do I get that because it was very easy to configure the network with it23:38
filipegattimoijk, actually if you install xubuntu 8.10 from live cd you get NetworkManager applet installed by default.23:46
filipegattiif you don't have it, I recommend trying Synaptic it or apt-get23:47
moijkfilipegatti: network manager applet? package name?23:48

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