=== zsircusr1 is now known as ViTRon [01:17] hello [01:17] will xubuntu run well on an old computer? [01:17] Hi [01:17] it depends on how you define well, and how old you mean [01:17] !lowmem [01:17] For installing on low memory systems, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements. [01:26] jojo [01:27] xubuntu is slowww with 64mb ram [01:29] All computers are slow with 65mb of ram [01:32] u.u [01:34] heh [01:37] When ever I launch starcraft through wine the panels don't go away they are still on top any way to fix this? [01:38] hiiii evrybody [01:40] hiya [01:40] ermm [03:31] what's the difference between ubuntu & xubuntu? [03:32] mushroomcheeseom: ubuntu use Gnome, and xubuntu use Xfce [03:32] !xfce [03:32] Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels [03:36] i was advised to use xubuntu instead of ubuntu since my desktop freezes. does this make sense? [03:38] That depends on why it freezes. [03:39] Xubuntu does use less RAM than Ubuntu [03:39] that actually brings me back to my first question at #ubuntu "why does my desktop freeze on ubuntu"? [03:39] i asked if it was due to my limited 256MB ram... [03:40] but someone commented that if it just froze then it wasn't due to ram and might be due to heat issues [03:40] I've /just/ installed Xubuntu on a machine with 320 Mbytes of RAM. [03:40] I'll probably upgrade it to 512M this evening. [03:41] I think it´s possible. If you run programs that take all the ram, it will freeze. If it is due to heat, [03:41] Xubuntu will freeze too. [03:41] You could try running memtest on it [03:41] charlie-tca: I plan to run that overnight. [03:42] Good idea. Had mushroomcheeseom asking why his system froze [03:43] Looks like he went away [03:43] Perhaps his machine froze [03:43] Maybe... [03:44] I just upgraded a P3 to 512MB. It does seem faster. [03:44] -8C here now... think /I'm/ going to freeze [03:44] I'm taking this RAM from one Pentium III box (800 MHz) and installing it in another (550 MHz) [03:44] ...the 800 MHz machine died. [03:45] memtest seems like a sensible precaution. [03:45] makes sense to me :-) [03:55] Can I safely replace Firefox with SeaMonkey? [04:05] ball: yes. [04:09] Odd-rationale: Thanks. [04:10] Does Xubuntu default to 800x600, or was that detected somehow? [04:27] Bed time anyway. [04:48] how/where do I mount devices mapped with the "tifm" module? [05:02] :O [05:02] vivos [07:17] I have a question for all of you masters of the "nix"... [09:12] **Hello, does anyone know if I can change the system font style [09:14] romanov_: yes, in settings->setting manager->user interface [09:16] **oh yes :) thanks ! [13:18] so it seems that every time i hit the volume buttons on my laptop, i can't use my keyboard, right-click, or open any menus [13:19] is there any fix for that/ [13:19] ? [13:37] bryan_: try to delete/insert it in the panel [14:46] Hello [14:47] i have a small memoty in my notebook [14:47] memory [14:47] ok [14:47] define "small" [14:47] So, how can i economy if i change ubuntu to xubuntu? [14:48] little memoty [14:48] memory [14:48] how little [14:48] ok...define "little" [14:48] 256mg? [14:48] 128MG? [14:48] 512 [14:48] pft...thats not small [14:48] that's not little :) [14:49] but i need to use virtualbox [14:49] sometimes [14:50] for examplo..... with ubuntu, the system use 310-330mb [14:50] engemec: I got mine to 76MB at startup [14:50] if i did change to xubuntu... [14:50] puts [14:50] engemec: but at some cost [14:50] putz [14:50] so add xubuntu-desktop, and log into an xfce session and comparer [14:50] has anyone else noticed an update for xfce 4.4.3 im guessing as of today? I installed it and it has removed the main menu applet and it is not available now. Anyone know in the inbetween uploading packages and there not all yet up? [14:51] 76mb [14:51] perfect [14:51] and..... some programs...... gimp [14:51] apache [14:51] mysql [14:51] php [14:51] thuderbird [14:51] engemec: they will take additional ram, at least the daemons [14:52] engemec: apache and mysql [14:52] thanks a lot [14:52] i'll try it [14:54] TheSheep, his definition of "small" and "little" are my definition of "huge" and "plentiful"! [14:55] vidd: one of those days I will mail you some ram just so we can add more to xubuntu ;) [14:56] TheSheep, hehe...im sure ill survive =] [15:23] hello [15:23] hello heapy [15:23] alright lad [15:24] listen, im having a few problems could you help out pleaes [15:24] !ask [15:24] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [15:24] hehe [15:24] alright, hold tight... [15:26] i have just got a dell laptop, and installed xubuntu 8.04 hardy. im having problems with constant freezing and lockups. i am sure its to do with the wireless i have been looking at all kinds of reasons for it, and this is the only one left! its a 4965 intel, it works "out of the box" - infact im using it right now. but after a white the system simply gives up and i have to hold down the power to turn off and restart.... [15:26] its the same in regular ubuntu 8.04.1 [15:27] what is your system load during the "freeze" and what apps are open when the freeze happens? [15:28] i have been searchin the forums and some people use something called ndiswrapper, but it looks confusing.. im new to linux [15:29] well the system monitor shows 15% cpu usage, 4.5% ram usage.. also, the freeze happens randomly,. and im only using word and firefox [15:29] and pigon [15:30] what is your firefox version? (in firefox click "Help->> About Mozilla firefox") [15:30] it is real strange, i can work for an hour, or even 10 minutes and then it locks up [15:30] * vidd suspects firefox [15:30] i ran a bunch of updates stright away by the way, d.loaded like 200mb of stuff [15:31] firefox 3.0.4 [15:32] kernel 2.6.24-22 [15:32] * vidd was not aware that 3.0.4 was ported to hardy =\ [15:32] i dont know lad, what i did was apt get software updates and it dloaded all kinds of stuff, 200mb worth [15:33] the kernel changed from 2.6.24-19 generic to 24-22 generic [15:38] well, I installed xubuntu from the scratch, did necessary updates and result: xfdesktop4 was uninstalled and can't do anything to get it back because of the dependency - some of you may know what this is, right? [15:43] i will be back soon [15:45] muibe, what dependancy issue? [15:50] it reads "xfdesktop4-data (=4.4.2-7ubuntu3) but 4.4.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 is to be installed" [15:54] muibe, did you add any "extra" repos? [15:55] muibe, because i just updated my repos and 4.4.3 is not listed as available [15:55] only 4.4.2-7 [15:56] well i've put certain ones [15:56] backports due to atheros driver [15:57] comment out the backports for now.... [15:57] then clear your cache [15:57] and then update, [15:57] you should then be able to install it [15:58] how do i clear my cache? [15:58] apt-get clear i think [15:58] all rightt [16:03] cheers vidd ! it worked :) [16:04] muibe, well...of course it did [16:04] well, one more thing.. i can't connect with ssh anywhere with my machine [16:04] the new version of xfce (4.4.3) apparently is not fully ready yet.... [16:05] you might want to post a bug for it [16:05] what problem you having with ssh? [16:06] it does ask passwd but even if i type it all correctly it isn't accepted [16:06] "permission denied, please try again" [16:07] muibe, the proper syntax for ssh is "ssh [user]@[ssh destination] [16:07] hello there :-) does someone here uses ayttm? [16:07] muibe, so if your user name on system "dud.com" is "joe", you would type "ssh joe@dud.com" [16:08] muibe, does that help ya? [16:09] !ayttm [16:09] Sorry, I don't know anything about ayttm [16:09] vidd: well, i don't do anything expectional - i've got Xubuntu on my desktop machine too but it doesn't work on laptop [16:09] :( [16:09] even if i do it all similarly [16:09] muibe, do you have ssh server installed on the destination machine? [16:09] i'm using it as MSN client and everytime a person is talking to me, the person's window freeze for some seconds until the person stops writing. [16:10] this freezing is pissing me off :-P [16:10] filipegatti, then use pidgin to talk on msn [16:10] since pidgin works just fine [16:11] I really don't get used to pidgin. And ayttm is lighter. [16:12] well....ayttm is not the default messanger client in *buntu.....so i dont know what to tell ya [16:13] maybe you need more ram =] [16:13] more? this is a fresh install of xubuntu in a 2gb ram laptop with 3gb swap :D [16:14] well....then its the app and not your hardware [16:14] wow 3gb swap [16:14] My have 1GB ram with 1gb swap [16:15] * vidd would rather use a slightly heavier, fully functional app as opposed to a buggy, lighter weight app [16:15] swap SHOULD = 2xram [16:15] vidd, yep. I'm going to join their mailing list. I just wanted to try here first. [16:15] so your system with 2GB ram,should have 4 GB swap [16:15] not really vidd :-P [16:16] this works fine if you're dealing with a server. nowadays its recommended to do only 1x ram on machines 2gb+ ram [16:16] it's unnecessary to have more. [16:17] * vidd has no system with more then 512 MB ram...so [16:17] never use 100% swap with 4GB [16:18] still sticking to the 2x rule from when i first started using linux =] [16:19] actually you're right vidd. everybody with less than 2GB ram should use the 2x rule. Only now common machines are coming with 2GB+ ram. [16:20] even if i had 2gb ram, id still stick to the 2x rule [16:20] * vidd is so set in his ways....=] [16:20] hello [16:20] After reading some stuff talking about this, I did some tests with my boss where I work, we deal only with Linux there. And for servers the rule should still be used, but if you're only using for desktop there is no need. [16:20] hello heapy [16:20] lads... [16:21] ah...and all my machines have server componants...including the desktops =] [16:21] i think i have cracked it.. xubuntu so far, fingers, toes, and eyes crossed my laptop is stable!! [16:22] for some reason un known to me, ubuntu 8.04 kept freezing randomly after a while. & now i am using xubuntu instead, it *seems okay !! happy chappy [16:22] cool [16:22] now this is something funny... i tried synaptic and add/remove software... and haven't found Opera browser. [16:23] xubuntu > ubuntu :-P [16:23] you MAY want to consider uping your system to 8.10 [16:23] me? [16:23] heapy, you say that like its a BAD thing =] [16:23] heapy, yes [16:24] you want me to use 8.10 ? [16:24] boss, i have only just installed xubuntu & got the damn thing stable (i hope!) im not about to change now haha :) [16:25] makes no difference to me....but YOU might want you to use 8.10 [16:27] tbh i was going to, but it just so happens that the dvd i wrote for it had 4 errors after doing the integrity test so i dloaded 8.04.1 hardy regular ubuntu and suffered mager lockups for no apparent resason. i narrowed it down to the wireless... but the exact same setup but on xubuntu seems to be okay.. strange huh [16:28] heapy, no...not strange at all [16:28] there are different apps between the two.... [16:28] and now that you are up-to-date, you can run the "update-manager -u" [16:29] * vidd thinks thats the right switch [16:29] its -d, not -u! [16:30] what does that do vidd? [16:30] im so new to this, im just glad it seems okay right now! [16:30] that will let you upgrade easily from 8.04 to 8.10 [16:30] ohhhh [16:31] do you really think i should be using xubuntu 8.10? [16:31] i have a m1530 xps laptop [16:31] its entirely up to you..... [16:32] i personally like having the latest and greatest [16:32] im using the LTS version right now right? [16:32] so i upgrade every 6 months [16:32] yes,,,8.04 is the lts [16:33] did you say the two versions (ubuntu and xubuntu) use different programs to handle the wireless? [16:34] no...they use different apps.....i dont know if the app to handle wireless is different or not [16:34] my systems are all relics....they barely start regular ubuntu, so i havent spent much time with that flavor [16:35] im not complainin or owt, but my sys seems to like xubuntu and not regular ubuntu [16:38] hay vidd lad, do you know of some good forums for xubuntu? [16:39] is there something your looking for help with? [16:39] most ubuntu forums work just fine for xubuntu stuff [16:40] im just trying to get my head around something [16:41] ubuntu and xubuntu are the same except for the desktop? gnome and xcfe? [16:41] so all programs that run on ubuntu run on xubuntu? [16:42] yes [16:42] like open office for instance [16:42] well...they WILL run [16:42] anything that CAN run on ubuntu can run on xubuntu [16:42] the only difference between the two is the default aps [16:43] the apps that come pre-installed? [16:43] exactly [16:43] ohhh [16:44] mm so how the hell is my computer loving xubuntu, no lock ups and it would of done by now in regular ubuntu?! [16:44] possibly an app conflict [16:45] vidd, i ran memtest86 for 13 hrs last night cus i thought it maybe the ram.. but that came back wiv zero errors [16:45] 18 pass's or something [16:46] nope....looks like one (or a few) ubuntu-standard apps caused some conflict and xubuntu uses different apps =] [16:46] that can only be right!! [16:47] it could also be that an app had some glitch....and installing ubuntu right now could have no issue anymore either !+} [16:47] do u use some kind of d.load manager for ur large downloading? [16:47] like what? [16:48] well on windows i had download accelerator i think [16:48] you mean like if i wanted to download som 5 gig file from a web site? [16:48] yeah [16:48] or even a p2p program [16:49] nope...i usually use firefox's built-in download manager.... [16:49] !! i didn't know it had one [16:49] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [16:49] i also use gftp for transfering files between my systems [16:50] just realised something , on ubuntu my hdd was making some strange clicky noise quite regular... on xubuntu its not [16:50] i find that very useful so that all 5 machines i use regularly have all the same look and feel [16:51] how much ram your system use? [16:51] 3gb ddr [16:52] well...it should NOT be swapping out that much ....dunno [16:53] thats the total installed, do you mean how much xubuntu actually uses? [16:53] hard drives clicking may be an indication of hardware failure [16:53] no...i meant total [16:57] i will bbs lad [17:13] vidd, do I need to install this synaptic package flashplugin-nonfree to have flash working? [17:14] that is the package i would recommend [17:14] its asking me to install +120mb software only to have flash working? [17:15] there are other apps that will play flash [17:15] i remember in others distro to use this flashplugin-nonfree [17:16] but i'm almost sure that it wasn't needed +120mb to install it [17:16] ubuntu started requiring "recommds" to be installed [17:17] i personally disabled that [17:17] so what do you use to be able to watch flash videos? [17:17] i use flashplugin-nonfree [17:17] ah [17:17] got it [17:18] but i installed it without all the "recommended" apps [17:18] and it works ok? [17:18] works fine...especially since none of the bloatware gotr installed with it [17:19] :D [17:19] I'll install it without the recommended apps. [17:19] you will want to use the cli [17:20] i think so [17:20] let me check the MAN pages for the proper syntax [17:21] yay, thank you ;-) [17:22] sudo apt-get install [package] --no-install-recommends [17:24] see if that dont drop the size of the installed files =] [17:27] let me check! [17:29] vidd, http://pastebin.com/d1c1a453f :( [17:31] they are all needed (i believe) [17:32] most of that is flash itself [17:33] but you could try gnash instead.... [17:34] i dont know how well it works with flash apps [17:35] 121mb would break my legs [17:35] let me see gnash [17:37] 8880kb will be used [17:37] well, sounds good. [17:37] then have at it..... [17:37] but like i said....i dont know how well it works [17:38] its ok, i can remove it later :P [17:39] if 210 MB is killing ya....ya might want to get some more HD space..... [17:39] maybe add a second drive and move your /home directory or /var directory (or both!) there [17:39] actually i have something about 120gb free [17:40] i just want to make xubuntu the lighter possible [17:40] (thats why im using ayttm and alsaplayer, ie) [17:40] hi! [17:40] well...hd sp-ace is not the concern [17:40] hello forces_ [17:41] filipegatti: o7 === leche is now known as welt [19:23] Hello people! [19:31] um ppl, anyone had such a problem? i configure my netwrok connection, but it doesn`t work, i go to the connection editor, but my netmask is malformed... I correct it do it all aggain [19:31] nothing works [19:31] and the netmask is malformed again [20:25] is anyone actually here atm? [20:26] yes [20:26] (21:31:16) um ppl, anyone had such a problem? i configure my netwrok connection, but it doesn`t work, i go to the connection editor, but my netmask is malformed... I correct it do it all aggain [20:26] (21:31:17) nothing works [20:26] (21:31:24) and the netmask is malformed again [20:26] But I am an xubuntu newbie. [20:30] 8:O [20:57] hello [20:57] i want to make a menu where are only all games, not the menu 'system' ... how i can make this ? [20:57] cannot find where this mernu 'system' is comming from [21:01] Nalk [21:01] yes [21:01] do you mean the panel? [21:01] the one you have top and bottom? [21:01] yes, in the panel [21:02] or you are talking about the xfce button which opens all software options? [21:02] there i made an xfce-menu, and there i can change some stuff with the menu-editor [21:02] yes [21:02] but there is only one place for all programms, an include system [21:03] in the menu.xml [21:03] and i hope to change it. that only games are be found there [21:03] just click the + button :P [21:03] and you can enter a submenu [21:04] but how i can make a submenu with all games (dont want to put them one by one ...) [21:05] do you want it to auto-detect your gamesw [21:05] ? [21:07] i only want to see the games there, nothing else [21:11] want to know which file is included in this line from menu.xml hello [21:42] hi! [21:42] just a quick question, i have just installed xubuntu 8.10, and done the updates. the prob i have is i cant 'right click' on the desktop, and there isn't any icons on the desktop either.. whats goin on lads? [21:42] not icons in desktop ¿? [21:42] not one [21:42] you have to permit at xfce manager your desktop [21:43] how do i do that (this is my first experience of linux)!! [21:44] aplicatiions-configure-settiings configure - desktop [21:44] check first square [21:45] your a star, that worked a treat :) [21:47] i have just one more q: i have parted magic on a cd. i ran it to do some partitions. what i would like is to try another linux like standard ubuntu.. and dual boot. but what i really need is a partition for media files music and videos that can be accessed by both operating systems. how do i go about that lad? [21:48] I am not a linux expert at all [21:48] but I do not think you can do that easily [21:49] create one partition Fat32 for linux and windows [21:49] I can access my windows partition from xubuntu all the time [21:49] Just cannot use any of the program files [21:49] i was wondering what file system to use for the partition [21:49] just the data like .jpg .png .gif .mpg e.t.c [21:49] ex3 or ntfs or fat32 etc [21:49] reifers is goob for files litles [21:49] ah well that you would have to ask one of the experts [21:50] but just a guess [21:50] if you want that partition to be read by both windwos and linux [21:50] make it ntfs [21:50] thanks Shaba1 [21:50] Someone PLEASE correct me if I am giving him/her bad info. [21:52] don't worry m8, its cool :) [21:52] I just hate people giving out wrong information on here. [21:53] I will preface my statments if I am not absolutely sure of what I am saying [21:53] so you try it at your won risk [21:53] well that makes sense, but im not going to use windows so maybe a ex3 partition for media would be best.. i will check out on the forums to make sure lar [21:55] i will be back soon , will let you know how i get on :) [22:04] hmm [22:04] i think i know what happened to heapy [22:12] does "matrixview" screensaver work in xscreensaver? [22:38] hello [22:39] has anyone of you is regularly using "mc" (midnight commander) under Xubuntu ? [23:38] Good evening. I netinstalled ubuntu and then xubuntu desktop. but the wireless gui-stuff didn [23:38] Good evening. I netinstalled ubuntu and then xubuntu desktop. but the wireless gui-stuff didn [23:38] come with. how do I get that because it was very easy to configure the network with it [23:46] moijk, actually if you install xubuntu 8.10 from live cd you get NetworkManager applet installed by default. [23:47] if you don't have it, I recommend trying Synaptic it or apt-get [23:48] filipegatti: network manager applet? package name?