[01:17] <icarus> hello
[01:17] <icarus> will xubuntu run well on an old computer?
[01:17] <Genelyk> Hi
[01:17] <zoredache> it depends on how you define well, and how old you mean
[01:17] <zoredache> !lowmem
[01:26] <Genelyk> jojo
[01:27] <Genelyk> xubuntu is slowww with  64mb ram
[01:29] <cody-somerville> All computers are slow with 65mb of ram
[01:32] <Genelyk> u.u
[01:34] <Octoroks> heh
[01:37] <robertMB> When ever I launch starcraft through wine the panels don't go away they are still on top any way to fix this?
[01:38] <insan> hiiii evrybody
[01:40] <cody-somerville> hiya
[01:40] <insan> ermm
[03:31] <mushroomcheeseom> what's the difference between ubuntu & xubuntu?
[03:32] <forcesito> mushroomcheeseom: ubuntu use Gnome, and xubuntu use Xfce
[03:32] <forcesito> !xfce
[03:36] <mushroomcheeseom> i was advised to use xubuntu instead of ubuntu since my desktop freezes. does this make sense?
[03:38] <charlie-tca> That depends on why it freezes.
[03:39] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu does use less RAM than Ubuntu
[03:39] <mushroomcheeseom> that actually brings me back to my first question at #ubuntu "why does my desktop freeze on ubuntu"?
[03:39] <mushroomcheeseom> i asked if it was due to my limited 256MB ram...
[03:40] <mushroomcheeseom> but someone commented that if it just froze then it wasn't due to ram and might be due to heat issues
[03:40] <ball> I've /just/ installed Xubuntu on a machine with 320 Mbytes of RAM.
[03:40] <ball> I'll probably upgrade it to 512M this evening.
[03:41] <charlie-tca> I think it´s possible. If you run programs that take all the ram, it will freeze. If it is due to heat,
[03:41] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu will freeze too.
[03:41] <charlie-tca> You could try running memtest on it
[03:41] <ball> charlie-tca: I plan to run that overnight.
[03:42] <charlie-tca> Good idea. Had mushroomcheeseom asking why his system froze
[03:43] <charlie-tca> Looks like he went away
[03:43] <ball> Perhaps his machine froze
[03:43] <charlie-tca> Maybe...
[03:44] <charlie-tca> I just upgraded a P3 to 512MB. It does seem faster.
[03:44] <ball> -8C here now... think /I'm/ going to freeze
[03:44] <ball> I'm taking this RAM from one Pentium III box (800 MHz) and installing it in another (550 MHz)
[03:44] <ball> ...the 800 MHz machine died.
[03:45] <ball> memtest seems like a sensible precaution.
[03:45] <charlie-tca> makes sense to me :-)
[03:55] <ball> Can I safely replace Firefox with SeaMonkey?
[04:05] <Odd-rationale> ball: yes.
[04:09] <ball> Odd-rationale: Thanks.
[04:10] <ball> Does Xubuntu default to 800x600, or was that detected somehow?
[04:27] <ball> Bed time anyway.
[04:48] <privet> how/where do I mount devices mapped with the "tifm" module?
[05:02] <forcesito> :O
[05:02] <forcesito> vivos
[07:17] <kaliree> I have a question for all of you masters of the "nix"...
[09:12] <romanov_> **Hello, does anyone know if I can change the system font style
[09:14] <TheSheep> romanov_: yes, in settings->setting manager->user interface
[09:16] <romanov_> **oh yes :) thanks !
[13:18] <bryan__> so it seems that every time i hit the volume buttons on my laptop, i can't use my keyboard, right-click, or open any menus
[13:19] <bryan__> is there any fix for that/
[13:19] <bryan__> ?
[13:37] <romanov_> bryan_: try to delete/insert it in the panel
[14:46] <engemec> Hello
[14:47] <engemec> i have a small memoty in my notebook
[14:47] <engemec> memory
[14:47] <vidd> ok
[14:47] <vidd> define "small"
[14:47] <engemec> So, how can i economy if i change ubuntu to xubuntu?
[14:48] <engemec> little memoty
[14:48] <engemec> memory
[14:48] <TheSheep> how little
[14:48] <vidd> ok...define "little"
[14:48] <vidd> 256mg?
[14:48] <vidd> 128MG?
[14:48] <engemec> 512
[14:48] <vidd> pft...thats not small
[14:48] <TheSheep> that's not little :)
[14:49] <engemec> but i need to use virtualbox
[14:49] <engemec> sometimes
[14:50] <engemec> for examplo..... with ubuntu, the system use 310-330mb
[14:50] <TheSheep> engemec: I got mine to 76MB at startup
[14:50] <engemec> if i did change to xubuntu...
[14:50] <engemec> puts
[14:50] <TheSheep> engemec: but at some cost
[14:50] <engemec> putz
[14:50] <vidd> so add xubuntu-desktop, and log into an xfce session and comparer
[14:50] <xxploit> has anyone else noticed an update for xfce 4.4.3 im guessing as of today? I installed it and it has removed the main menu applet and it is not available now. Anyone know in the inbetween uploading packages and there not all yet up?
[14:51] <engemec> 76mb
[14:51] <engemec> perfect
[14:51] <engemec> and..... some programs...... gimp
[14:51] <engemec> apache
[14:51] <engemec> mysql
[14:51] <engemec> php
[14:51] <engemec> thuderbird
[14:51] <TheSheep> engemec: they will take additional ram, at least the daemons
[14:52] <TheSheep> engemec: apache and mysql
[14:52] <engemec> thanks a lot
[14:52] <engemec> i'll try it
[14:54] <vidd> TheSheep, his definition of "small" and "little" are my definition of "huge" and "plentiful"!
[14:55] <TheSheep> vidd: one of those days I will mail you some ram just so we can add more to xubuntu ;)
[14:56] <vidd> TheSheep, hehe...im sure ill survive =]
[15:23] <heapy> hello
[15:23] <vidd> hello heapy
[15:23] <heapy> alright lad
[15:24] <heapy> listen, im having a few problems could you help out pleaes
[15:24] <vidd> !ask
[15:24] <heapy> hehe
[15:24] <heapy> alright, hold tight...
[15:26] <heapy> i have just got a dell laptop, and installed xubuntu 8.04 hardy. im having problems with constant freezing and lockups. i am sure its to do with the wireless i have been looking at all kinds of reasons for it, and this is the only one left! its a 4965 intel, it works "out of the box" - infact im using it right now. but after a white the system simply gives up and i have to hold down the power to turn off and restart....
[15:26] <heapy> its the same in regular ubuntu 8.04.1
[15:27] <vidd> what is your system load during the "freeze" and what apps are open when the freeze happens?
[15:28] <heapy> i have been searchin the forums and some people use something called ndiswrapper, but it looks confusing.. im new to linux
[15:29] <heapy> well the system monitor shows 15% cpu usage, 4.5% ram usage.. also, the freeze happens randomly,. and im only using word and firefox
[15:29] <heapy> and pigon
[15:30] <vidd> what is your firefox version? (in firefox click "Help->> About Mozilla firefox")
[15:30] <heapy> it is real strange, i can work for an hour, or even 10 minutes and then it locks up
[15:30]  * vidd suspects firefox
[15:30] <heapy> i ran a bunch of updates stright away by the way, d.loaded like 200mb of stuff
[15:31] <heapy> firefox 3.0.4
[15:32] <heapy> kernel 2.6.24-22
[15:32]  * vidd was not aware that 3.0.4 was ported to hardy =\
[15:32] <heapy> i dont know lad, what i did was apt get software updates and it dloaded all kinds of stuff, 200mb worth
[15:33] <heapy> the kernel changed from 2.6.24-19 generic to 24-22 generic
[15:38] <muibe> well, I installed xubuntu from the scratch, did necessary updates and result: xfdesktop4 was uninstalled and can't do anything to get it back because of the dependency - some of you may know what this is, right?
[15:43] <heapy> i will be back soon
[15:45] <vidd> muibe, what dependancy issue?
[15:50] <muibe> it reads "xfdesktop4-data (=4.4.2-7ubuntu3) but 4.4.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 is to be installed"
[15:54] <vidd> muibe, did you add any "extra" repos?
[15:55] <vidd> muibe, because i just updated my repos and 4.4.3 is not listed as available
[15:55] <vidd> only 4.4.2-7
[15:56] <muibe> well i've put certain ones
[15:56] <muibe> backports due to atheros driver
[15:57] <vidd> comment out the backports for now....
[15:57] <vidd> then clear your cache
[15:57] <vidd> and then update,
[15:57] <vidd> you should then be able to install it
[15:58] <muibe> how do i clear my cache?
[15:58] <vidd> apt-get clear i think
[15:58] <muibe> all rightt
[16:03] <muibe> cheers vidd ! it worked :)
[16:04] <vidd> muibe, well...of course it did
[16:04] <muibe> well, one more thing.. i can't connect with ssh anywhere with my machine
[16:04] <vidd> the new version of xfce (4.4.3) apparently is not fully ready yet....
[16:05] <vidd> you might want to post a bug for it
[16:05] <vidd> what problem you having with ssh?
[16:06] <muibe> it does ask passwd but even if i type it all correctly it isn't accepted
[16:06] <muibe> "permission denied, please try again"
[16:07] <vidd> muibe, the proper syntax for ssh is "ssh [user]@[ssh destination]
[16:07] <filipegatti> hello there :-) does someone here uses ayttm?
[16:07] <vidd> muibe, so if your user name on system "dud.com" is "joe", you would type "ssh joe@dud.com"
[16:08] <vidd> muibe, does that help ya?
[16:09] <vidd> !ayttm
[16:09] <muibe> vidd: well, i don't do anything expectional - i've got Xubuntu on my desktop machine too but it doesn't work on  laptop
[16:09] <filipegatti> :(
[16:09] <muibe> even if i do it all similarly
[16:09] <vidd> muibe, do you have ssh server installed on the destination machine?
[16:09] <filipegatti> i'm using it as MSN client and everytime a person is talking to me, the person's window freeze for some seconds until the person stops writing.
[16:10] <filipegatti> this freezing is pissing me off :-P
[16:10] <vidd> filipegatti, then use pidgin to talk on msn
[16:10] <vidd> since pidgin works just fine
[16:11] <filipegatti> I really don't get used to pidgin. And ayttm is lighter.
[16:12] <vidd> well....ayttm is not the default messanger client in *buntu.....so i dont know what to tell ya
[16:13] <vidd> maybe you need more ram =]
[16:13] <filipegatti> more? this is a fresh install of xubuntu in a 2gb ram laptop with 3gb swap :D
[16:14] <vidd> well....then its the app and not your hardware
[16:14] <Genelyk> wow 3gb   swap
[16:14] <Genelyk> My have  1GB ram   with 1gb swap
[16:15]  * vidd would rather use a slightly heavier, fully functional app as opposed to a buggy, lighter weight app
[16:15] <vidd> swap SHOULD = 2xram
[16:15] <filipegatti> vidd, yep. I'm going to join their mailing list. I just wanted to try here first.
[16:15] <vidd> so your system with 2GB ram,should have 4 GB swap
[16:15] <filipegatti> not really vidd :-P
[16:16] <filipegatti> this works fine if you're dealing with a server. nowadays its recommended to do only 1x ram on machines 2gb+ ram
[16:16] <filipegatti> it's unnecessary to have more.
[16:17]  * vidd has no system with more then 512 MB ram...so 
[16:17] <Genelyk> never use 100% swap with 4GB
[16:18] <vidd> still sticking to the 2x rule from when i first started using linux =]
[16:19] <filipegatti> actually you're right vidd. everybody with less than 2GB ram should use the 2x rule. Only now common machines are coming with 2GB+ ram.
[16:20] <vidd> even if i had 2gb ram, id still stick to the 2x rule
[16:20]  * vidd is so set in his ways....=]
[16:20] <heapy> hello
[16:20] <filipegatti> After reading some stuff talking about this, I did some tests with my boss where I work, we deal only with Linux there. And for servers the rule should still be used, but if you're only using for desktop there is no need.
[16:20] <filipegatti> hello heapy
[16:20] <heapy> lads...
[16:21] <vidd> ah...and all my machines have server componants...including the desktops =]
[16:21] <heapy> i think i have cracked it.. xubuntu so far, fingers, toes, and eyes crossed my laptop is stable!!
[16:22] <heapy> for some reason un known to me, ubuntu 8.04 kept freezing randomly after a while. & now i am using xubuntu instead, it *seems okay !! happy chappy
[16:22] <vidd> cool
[16:22] <filipegatti> now this is something funny... i tried synaptic and add/remove software... and haven't found Opera browser.
[16:23] <filipegatti> xubuntu > ubuntu :-P
[16:23] <vidd> you MAY want to consider uping your system to 8.10
[16:23] <heapy> me?
[16:23] <vidd> heapy, you say that like its a BAD thing =]
[16:23] <vidd> heapy, yes
[16:24] <heapy> you want me to use 8.10 ?
[16:24] <heapy> boss, i have only just installed xubuntu & got the damn thing stable (i hope!) im not about to change now haha :)
[16:25] <vidd> makes no difference to me....but YOU might want you to use 8.10
[16:27] <heapy> tbh i was going to, but it just so happens that the dvd i wrote for it had 4 errors after doing the integrity test so i dloaded 8.04.1 hardy regular ubuntu and suffered mager lockups for no apparent resason. i narrowed it down to the wireless... but the exact same setup but on xubuntu seems to be okay.. strange huh
[16:28] <vidd> heapy, no...not strange at all
[16:28] <vidd> there are different apps between the two....
[16:28] <vidd> and now that you are up-to-date, you can run the "update-manager -u"
[16:29]  * vidd thinks thats the right switch
[16:29] <vidd> its -d, not -u!
[16:30] <heapy> what does that do vidd?
[16:30] <heapy> im so new to this, im just glad it seems okay right now!
[16:30] <vidd> that will let you upgrade easily from 8.04 to 8.10
[16:30] <heapy> ohhhh
[16:31] <heapy> do you really think i should be using xubuntu 8.10?
[16:31] <heapy> i have a m1530 xps laptop
[16:31] <vidd> its entirely up to you.....
[16:32] <vidd> i personally like having the latest and greatest
[16:32] <heapy> im using the LTS version right now right?
[16:32] <vidd> so i upgrade every 6 months
[16:32] <vidd> yes,,,8.04 is the lts
[16:33] <heapy> did you say the two versions (ubuntu and xubuntu) use different programs to handle the wireless?
[16:34] <vidd> no...they use different apps.....i dont know if the app to handle wireless is different or not
[16:34] <vidd> my systems are all relics....they barely start regular ubuntu, so i havent spent much time with that flavor
[16:35] <heapy> im not complainin or owt, but my sys seems to like xubuntu and not regular ubuntu
[16:38] <heapy> hay vidd lad, do you know of some good forums for xubuntu?
[16:39] <vidd> is there something your looking for help with?
[16:39] <vidd> most ubuntu forums work just fine for xubuntu stuff
[16:40] <heapy> im just trying to get my head around something
[16:41] <heapy> ubuntu and xubuntu are the same except for the desktop? gnome and xcfe?
[16:41] <heapy> so all programs that run on ubuntu run on xubuntu?
[16:42] <vidd> yes
[16:42] <heapy> like open office for instance
[16:42] <vidd> well...they WILL run
[16:42] <vidd> anything that CAN run on ubuntu can run on xubuntu
[16:42] <vidd> the only difference between the two is the default aps
[16:43] <heapy> the apps that come pre-installed?
[16:43] <vidd> exactly
[16:43] <heapy> ohhh
[16:44] <heapy> mm so how the hell is my computer loving xubuntu, no lock ups and it would of done by now in regular ubuntu?!
[16:44] <vidd> possibly an app conflict
[16:45] <heapy> vidd, i ran memtest86 for 13 hrs last night cus i thought it maybe the ram.. but that came back wiv zero errors
[16:45] <heapy> 18 pass's or something
[16:46] <vidd> nope....looks like one (or a few) ubuntu-standard apps caused some conflict and xubuntu uses different apps =]
[16:46] <heapy> that can only be right!!
[16:47] <vidd> it could also be that an app had some glitch....and installing ubuntu right now could have no issue anymore either !+}
[16:47] <heapy> do u use some kind of d.load manager for ur large downloading?
[16:47] <vidd> like what?
[16:48] <heapy> well on windows i had download accelerator i think
[16:48] <vidd> you mean like if i wanted to download som 5 gig file from a web site?
[16:48] <heapy> yeah
[16:48] <heapy> or even a p2p program
[16:49] <vidd> nope...i usually use firefox's built-in download manager....
[16:49] <heapy> !! i didn't know it had one
[16:49] <vidd> i also use gftp for transfering files between my systems
[16:50] <heapy> just realised something , on ubuntu my hdd was making some strange clicky noise quite regular... on xubuntu its not
[16:50] <vidd> i find that very useful so that all 5 machines i use regularly have all the same look and feel
[16:51] <vidd> how much ram your system use?
[16:51] <heapy> 3gb ddr
[16:52] <vidd> well...it should NOT be swapping out that much ....dunno
[16:53] <heapy> thats the total installed, do you mean how much xubuntu actually uses?
[16:53] <vidd> hard drives clicking may be an indication of hardware failure
[16:53] <vidd> no...i meant total
[16:57] <heapy> i will bbs lad
[17:13] <filipegatti> vidd, do I need to install this synaptic package flashplugin-nonfree to have flash working?
[17:14] <vidd> that is the package i would recommend
[17:14] <filipegatti> its asking me to install +120mb software only to have flash working?
[17:15] <vidd> there are other apps that will play flash
[17:15] <filipegatti> i remember in others distro to use this flashplugin-nonfree
[17:16] <filipegatti> but i'm almost sure that it wasn't needed +120mb to install it
[17:16] <vidd> ubuntu started requiring "recommds" to be installed
[17:17] <vidd> i personally disabled that
[17:17] <filipegatti> so what do you use to be able to watch flash videos?
[17:17] <vidd> i use flashplugin-nonfree
[17:17] <filipegatti> ah
[17:17] <filipegatti> got it
[17:18] <vidd> but i installed it without all the "recommended" apps
[17:18] <filipegatti> and it works ok?
[17:18] <vidd> works fine...especially since none of the bloatware gotr installed with it
[17:19] <filipegatti> :D
[17:19] <filipegatti> I'll install it without the recommended apps.
[17:19] <vidd> you will want to use the cli
[17:20] <filipegatti> i think so
[17:20] <vidd> let me check the MAN pages for the proper syntax
[17:21] <filipegatti> yay, thank you ;-)
[17:22] <vidd> sudo apt-get install [package] --no-install-recommends
[17:24] <vidd> see if that dont drop the size of the installed files =]
[17:27] <filipegatti> let me check!
[17:29] <filipegatti> vidd, http://pastebin.com/d1c1a453f :(
[17:31] <vidd> they are all needed (i believe)
[17:32] <vidd> most of that is flash itself
[17:33] <vidd> but you could try gnash instead....
[17:34] <vidd> i dont know how well it works with flash apps
[17:35] <filipegatti> 121mb would break my legs
[17:35] <filipegatti> let me see gnash
[17:37] <filipegatti> 8880kb will be used
[17:37] <filipegatti> well, sounds good.
[17:37] <vidd> then have at it.....
[17:37] <vidd> but like i said....i dont know how well it works
[17:38] <filipegatti> its ok, i can remove it later :P
[17:39] <vidd> if 210 MB is killing ya....ya might want to get some more HD space.....
[17:39] <vidd> maybe add a second drive and move your /home directory or /var directory (or both!) there
[17:39] <filipegatti> actually i have something about 120gb free
[17:40] <filipegatti> i just want to make xubuntu the lighter possible
[17:40] <filipegatti> (thats why im using ayttm and alsaplayer, ie)
[17:40] <forces_> hi!
[17:40] <vidd> well...hd sp-ace is not the concern
[17:40] <filipegatti> hello forces_
[17:41] <forces_> filipegatti: o7
[19:23] <nateisen> Hello people!
[19:31] <Psychlo> um ppl, anyone had such a problem? i configure my netwrok connection, but it doesn`t work, i go to the connection editor, but my netmask is malformed... I correct it do it all aggain
[19:31] <Psychlo> nothing works
[19:31] <Psychlo> and the netmask is malformed again
[20:25] <Psychlo>  is anyone actually here atm?
[20:26] <Shaba1> yes
[20:26] <Psychlo> (21:31:16) <Psychlo> um ppl, anyone had such a problem? i configure my netwrok connection, but it doesn`t work, i go to the connection editor, but my netmask is malformed... I correct it do it all aggain
[20:26] <Psychlo> (21:31:17) <Psychlo> nothing works
[20:26] <Psychlo> (21:31:24) <Psychlo> and the netmask is malformed again
[20:26] <Shaba1> But I am an xubuntu newbie.
[20:30] <forces_> 8:O
[20:57] <Nalk> hello
[20:57] <Nalk> i want to make a menu where are only all games, not the menu 'system' ... how i can make this ?
[20:57] <Nalk> cannot find where this mernu 'system' is comming from
[21:01] <filipegatti> Nalk
[21:01] <Nalk> yes
[21:01] <filipegatti> do you mean the panel?
[21:01] <filipegatti> the one you have top and bottom?
[21:01] <Nalk> yes, in the panel
[21:02] <filipegatti> or you are talking about the xfce button which opens all software options?
[21:02] <Nalk> there i made an xfce-menu, and there i can change some stuff with the menu-editor
[21:02] <filipegatti> yes
[21:02] <Nalk> but there is only one place for all programms, an include system
[21:03] <Nalk> in the menu.xml
[21:03] <Nalk> and i hope to change it. that only games are be found there
[21:03] <filipegatti> just click the + button :P
[21:03] <filipegatti> and you can enter a submenu
[21:04] <Nalk> but how i can make a submenu with all games (dont want to put them one by one ...)
[21:05] <filipegatti> do you want it to auto-detect your gamesw
[21:05] <filipegatti> ?
[21:07] <Nalk> i only want to see the games there, nothing else
[21:11] <Nalk> want to know which file is included in this line from menu.xml <include type="system" style="simple" unique="true" legacy="true"/ ... where i can found it ... and ... is there a way to change it to games or something like it :)
[21:40] <heapy> hello
[21:42] <forces_> hi!
[21:42] <heapy> just a quick question, i have just installed xubuntu 8.10, and done the updates. the prob i have is i cant 'right click' on the desktop, and there isn't any icons on the desktop either.. whats goin on lads?
[21:42] <Genelyk> not  icons  in desktop ¿?
[21:42] <heapy> not one
[21:42] <forces_> you have to permit at xfce manager your desktop
[21:43] <heapy> how do i do that (this is my first experience of linux)!!
[21:44] <Genelyk> aplicatiions-configure-settiings configure - desktop
[21:44] <Genelyk> check first square
[21:45] <heapy> your a star, that worked a treat :)
[21:47] <heapy> i have just one more q: i have parted magic on a cd. i ran it to do some partitions. what i would like is to try another linux like standard ubuntu.. and dual boot. but what i really need is a partition for media files music and videos that can be accessed by both operating systems. how do i go about that lad?
[21:48] <Shaba1> I am not a linux expert at all
[21:48] <Shaba1> but I do not think you can do that easily
[21:49] <Genelyk> create  one partition Fat32  for linux and windows
[21:49] <Shaba1> I can access my windows partition from xubuntu all the time
[21:49] <Shaba1> Just cannot use any of the program files
[21:49] <heapy> i was wondering what file system to use for the partition
[21:49] <Shaba1> just the data like .jpg .png .gif .mpg e.t.c
[21:49] <heapy> ex3 or ntfs or fat32 etc
[21:49] <Genelyk> reifers is goob for files litles
[21:49] <Shaba1> ah well that you would have to ask one of the experts
[21:50] <Shaba1> but just a guess
[21:50] <Shaba1> if you want that partition to be read by both windwos and linux
[21:50] <Shaba1> make it ntfs
[21:50] <heapy> thanks Shaba1
[21:50] <Shaba1> Someone PLEASE correct me if I am giving him/her bad info.
[21:52] <heapy> don't worry m8, its cool :)
[21:52] <Shaba1> I just hate people giving out wrong information on here.
[21:53] <Shaba1> I will preface my statments if I am not absolutely sure of what I am saying
[21:53] <Shaba1> so you try it at your won risk
[21:53] <heapy> well that makes sense, but im not going to use windows so maybe a ex3 partition for media would be best.. i will check out on the forums to make sure lar
[21:55] <heapy> i will be back soon , will let you know how i get on :)
[22:04] <filipegatti> hmm
[22:04] <filipegatti> i think i know what happened to heapy
[22:12] <R1coch3t> does "matrixview" screensaver work in xscreensaver?
[22:38] <nomemory> hello
[22:39] <nomemory> has anyone of you is regularly using "mc" (midnight commander) under Xubuntu ?
[23:38] <moijk> Good evening. I netinstalled ubuntu and then xubuntu desktop. but the wireless gui-stuff didn
[23:38] <moijk> Good evening. I netinstalled ubuntu and then xubuntu desktop. but the wireless gui-stuff didn
[23:38] <moijk> come with. how do I get that because it was very easy to configure the network with it
[23:46] <filipegatti> moijk, actually if you install xubuntu 8.10 from live cd you get NetworkManager applet installed by default.
[23:47] <filipegatti> if you don't have it, I recommend trying Synaptic it or apt-get
[23:48] <moijk> filipegatti: network manager applet? package name?